It's actually kind of amazing how we as a community managed to fuck a multi billion dollar company into changing their product months before release despite the production taking years.
They were being shortsighted and greedy, once they were shown the error of their ways of course they would have no recourse but to change back to what works.
***** That links is not based on anything, its actually rumors by some people thinking sony would have done the same thing. That rumor started on the declaration of a sony employee. That employee at some point he said : "We have seen the reaction from people to the xbox reveal, and that gave us information on what the people wanted for their console" Then people started to think, "oh they had DRM and they removed it at the last moment". Which ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT MEAN THAT. It could also mean "we are going to make a marketing strategy and tell people about our no drm policies, we had no intention to do that at first, but after xbox one reveal reaction, we have something to win by doing this". It could have also mean : "we have seen the backlash about xbox one trying too hard to be an "all in one" system that is not just about games, we have seen people wanting companys to speak more about game so we are going to speak only about game in our marketing campaign" And there is thousand of other things it could have meant. I have seen thousand of links like that one, and none of them are based on actual confirmation or quotation, they are based on rumors.
@@jassboom the other problem is xbox dont have great exclusive games, like last of us, god of war, uncharted. halo is to used, gear of wars dont bring enough people. so for me i will keep in PC or a PS5, but not a "xbox2" or "xboxx2x" something.
@@sesshomaru2005 Man if xbox could have had Spiderman and persona games, I would never switch but I'll get ps5 no matter how powerful xbox anaconda gonna be.
+Jesse Billingsley I don't understand why they were charging $100 for that piece of shit, it costs less than $10 to produce, and research/development wise it wasn't a requested feature, nor a well received feature.
Yes, so the whole reason the console's graphics and various mechanics suck, is because of an extremely unpopular feature, that was almost immediately rescinded. Meaning, we pay less, but got less of a console in the long run.
And it was on this day when gamers declared in one voice: "We will not go quietly into the night! We will not vanish without a fight!" (pretty fitting reference if you ask me).
Tibbz Sit on a couch ? Or sit in front of a damn PC to troll the fucking Internet ? The PS community is full of childish 12yo twats with small cocks. The sooner Sony goes bankrupt the better for the fucking industry. I don't care about Xbox, but I hope Microsoft buys all the fucking 3rd party exclusives and let Sony die in horse crap with no games on their cheap piece of garbage.
***** I can plug my PC into my television and play through my it just as if I was playing on a console, expect with better graphics and controls. Also, Gibepusi Boss Go google it, people have checked out the PS4's specs and found out it would cost around $600 to make a PC that is exactly like the PS4 with the exact same parts...So try again. Then again, you could be like some, and get a beast PC to play on ultra with 100+ FPS.
I still don't trust Microsoft. They still seem very shady to me, I use to own a 360 and it broke quickly, froze a lot, I went through like 3 of them and I just gave up on them, and the fact Microsoft had that DRM at all makes me not trust their decisions, yes they took it away but they easily could not have.
Frank Foxx Well, if you didn't know cause I didn't when I bought one, you *have to install every disc game* on the Xbone which starts to take up a lot of space, and it only comes with enough GB for maybe 15-20games I'd estimate.
I only had a white Xbox fuck up on me that because of ants. Afterward I got that new slick black Xbox 360 which can has stayed with me for 6 years I don't know why they are so common to break also my white Xbox never froze fucking ants.
+Frank Foxx Both were expected to ship with DRM. I'd say Sony is just as shady if not even more since after the Xbox announcement they made it look like it never crossed their minds. Thats why BOTH systems require the whole game to be downloaded when you put it in.
***** If you commit a crime it WILL stay on your criminal record and there's nothing you can do about it. You can't earn people's trust back after something like THAT, just like you can't get rid of a crime off your criminal record.
But it didn't. And Xbox did. Because Sony realized what a stupid move that was. Also what are you talking about?.. There was no "thinking" about the crime. They went and did it. The only reason they reversed it is the HUGE backlash.
CaitSeith I dont think so, corporations are stupid. The respond to money, and people buying the Xbox after it took all this crap away is a clear sign that if they try that again they will fail.
This says otherwise: As previously reported by The Inquisitr, the recent Killer Instinct tournament showed us all that Microsoft never really did remove the DRM from their games. In the last round of the tournament, all of the players involved had to stop and sign in on Xbox Live just to prove they owned the game before the competition could finish. This may only be on first-party Xbone titles, but it’s enough to show us that Microsoft was at least partially lying about taking out DRM.
Kevin Sixx So? There are still hundreds of games for the 7th gen consoles, do you think i'm going to play them all and run out of games? There are a ton of games with lots of replay value, so that pretty much means that it doesn't change anything that there will be no longer support for the 360, as long as i enjoy playing the games in that system, i'm pretty much covered for years with games.
There is not a damn thing Microsoft can do to earn back my trust. I have integrity, and the simple fact that they were gonna do that in the first place ruined it for me. PS4 is the much better deal anyway and they were never gonna fuck us.
Amen we also said this it was totally unacceptable and they only reversed their DRM policies because ps 4 were going to bury them ironically they seem to be doing that anyway But there is such a thing as consumer confidence and microsoft have lost our's and we have too much self respect to go back on our vow to not buy an x-bone M
Yeah I hear you and people are forgetting that this is removed via patch which could be patched back in at some later date a and at some point I think they will.
This is one of the most cathartic videos of all time. The nostalgia is real, and so is my pride for what we managed to achieve for the betterment of the gaming industry as a whole. Also, Joe is at his best here and seriously cracks me up.
Agreed. I remember watching this at college and it still cracks me up. I’m not really an Xbox gamer anymore but I’m glad that we all managed to get this shit shut down before they managed to pull this on us.
If I was made of money. But still I own both an original X-Box and a Play Station 2, and I'm slowly collecting the best of both. Plus I have Steam. I'm getting there slowly but I'm getting there alright. :)
I don't know about that, I agree with owning PC & 1 of the other current gen console, but owning both is a little overboard, unless you are a game reviewer.
Mr.DeWitt What is the Hybrid? Consoles are game only (other movie, music pics?). PC is the work horse. WORK and games. Are you talking about a cross over with games? Play a game on console, have time then continue on PC?
2:20 That guy stole your mic off your hands. Wow. What kind of interviewee does that!? To me this really shows how disrespectful these people can be to their gaming consumer base.
The community outraged for sure, and fanboys will never admit to this, but Sony's decision to not do the same thing is what really made Microsoft change their policies. It was that or admit defeat in the next gen market.
Can't we just sit down on our chairs and enjoy our PC or Xbox one or PS4 whichever u guys like and relax? other than fight who the hell is the master race?
I know right? Its quite sad, granted I'll be getting a computer soon. But yeah, it won't matter what type of system you got, each one will have a great amount of games and memorable ones too. :D
You lead we follow, joe. I love the concept of the angry army. Im always sure to join up wherever I can. LONG LIVE THE ANGRY ARMY!!! Forward men!! Fear not pain nor death!!
Ok.. the whole thing about "WE DID IT!" is bullsht. SONY did it because they didn´t follow suit. Had sony done the same, we would be SUFFERING and Microsoft would have never reversed that horrid DRM. Sony took advantage of this Microsoft horrible idea and decided to be heroes, and it paid off. Microsoft was forced out of this policies in order to remain competitive. The other outcome was a lot of people fired from Microsoft and a TERRIBLE precedent for that company´s history which explains the low sales after all this years. I WILL NEVER forget what they tried to do to us. Enjoy the truth.
Agreed, competition is what saved us from that horror. Maybe I could give another consideration for the XBOX brand, since Ballmer, Don Mattrik and the others were fired, and the fact that i'm loving Windows 10, and their new track. But that will take some years I still feel offended.
+Meltrust Who exactly is "we"? Do you work for Sony? I'm guessing not, so it seems you actually just need to get a grip and realize what a clown you sound like trying to associate yourself with something that you have no actual ties to. This whole thing is ignorant as all hell anyway, since PC already does DRM on 90% of titles and Sony was planning to do the same before they saw the public reaction to MS and backpedaled. The whole gaming world is going into DRM whether anyone likes it or not, MS just wanted to do it ahead of time and just get the ball rolling to save everyone money. Look at how many games on both platforms are digital only with DRM and increasing every day. Digital games are cheaper for the distributor and that's usually passed on to the buyer with discounts (a la Steam and Live Gold/PS+) Physical formats are on the way out and the industry is sneaking it in more with each day, until one day, all the people who throw fits about not being able to have physical games will realize that almost no games get physical releases anymore.
+AEUGNewtype About the "we" issue, please read my original comment again, maybe you need some serious reading comprehension lessons. Yes, PC does DRM on 90% of titles, but I don't need a permanent connection to the internet in order to play or use my pc (or Steam). Digital games in most cases are *NOT* cheaper on console, they just keep that money, and in some cases they are more expensive, unlike Steam. And yes, the industry wants to ditch physical formats, Microsoft wanted to do it first in order to get more exclusives from the evil *EA* and the likes, but fortunately and because their competition didn't do the same, it *BACKFIRED* and at least at lauch along with their *XBONE spy KINECT* thing they went to *HELL* and the people in charge *FIRED*. Hope they learned.
calical26 NASDAQ and NYSE aren't "fake". Just because it goes against your claims doesn't make it fake. The stats are consistent with any other site. Look for yourself. PS4 is winning the console race right now, but Xbone is definitely not done.
Manny Llanos They're bringing back fee's to where you can only be offline for an hour. you can find out more by checking out hard news on screw attacks.
thats bs i was gon ski 2 days ago and got back today offline for 2 days its fine aslong as the dont bring back region locks and drm , we can trade games im fine
Microsoft didn't change it because of feedback, oh no. They don't care about their community, they want money. Their technique was to introduce mediocrity and change it, claiming it was due to feedback. I hate that terrible technique.
You sure man if MS did their original plan i don't think Xbone will sell that much. The DRM shit used game bullshit and higher cost. OHH the region lock Military Gamers will hate this shit. you know we only got dial up in a DDG right and we cant even use internet on a ship bro except those dial up laptop that loads facebook in like 10 mins
Bandochord let me get this straight...in your silly opinion they risked billions and consequently being behind Sony to trick consumers they listen to feedback ? That's demented. That's why it didn't happen. They would never risk a single dollar ,because that's what the shareholders care about. I'm willing to bed shareholders were extremely pissed about this. That's why they changed it. Presale data. You sound like our local pub "philosophers". Nobody pays heed to their advice
If you honestly think that microsoft "listened" to us, you are lying to yourself. The only reason they reversed it was because they thought shit, we aren't going to make money. They knew that the PS4 was going to sell a hell of a lot more from their reveal, so Microsoft did what they had to. You really think they would have done that if everyone cheered at their reveal event and no one cheered at the sony's? I'm just saying, our voices didn't change a thing. Money is the one that talks.
paintball3747 I am sorry to tell you. But all gaming companies, want one thing. Your money. They listened to us because of money. And you know why, money moves the world. They listened to their customers, and changed. Better than not doing anything, and keeping the DRM
TheArthur1230 Yeah. Saying they didn't listen to us, but they listened to our money is like saying the electoral college didn't listened to the voters, but listen to their votes. It's the same thing.
paintball3747 There's nothing about the Xbox One that is terrible anymore. The Xbox One is absolutely amazing now. I own an XBO and a PS4 and in my opinion XBO wins by a little bit.
I completely agree Marcuss2 not going to fuck with them at ALL. They have the power to do as they feel, n can change shit back at ANY TIME. Not taking that chance. PS4 n WiiU but i'm not buy the Xbone Screw that.
Why not omg. We are not little kids as you are, so if we see that they listen to our feedbacks, everything si ok. There is no reasson why say something like: "hey, you made mistakes, so i am not gonna buy any of your consoles 20 years".
T4kehiko Because you speak with your wallet untill you see permanent change. Same reason I dont buy EA games lately. Just because you change for 5 min doesnt mean youre a new person.
Funny that you mention anonymous Xbox employees. Microsoft is famous for astro-turfing online forums. They push for their agenda pretty strongly too. A great example is NeoGaf. There's TONS of anonymous Xbox employees pushing various pro-Xbox and anti-PS agenda. It's mind-blowing how many of them do it at NeoGaf. They even have moderators working for MS, mainly in the Off-Topic section.
lwgh12 MSFT wants to start charging console owners a fee just to ACCESS non-digital purchases, thus undoing every step they've taken since E3. the new X1 should launch "before october"
TheBrothergreen its been reported by everyone from hardOCP to Cnet. apparently the site "NeoGaf" broke the story and Microsoft has made no official comment.
Oh god how I regret he never discovered change org petition to return Xbox one to its original state in time, it would be a rant of legendary proportions, a poetry.
1 year later rewatching this and 5:51 to 6:11 still manages to make me cry from laughter, i swear some of joes' sarcasm is so hilarious sometimes he really took shots at microsoft there
@Angry Joe. I've been subscribed to ur channel for quite some time now even though u only review PC AND 360 games. I'm a PS3 enthusiast but I thoroughly enjoy ur reviews. Their funny as hell. I was wondering if this experience with Microsoft has opened ur eyes into doing reviews for the PS4 as well as play some of the old PS3 games and u could call it a AJRR meaning Angry Joe's Retro Review. I know ur copping an Xbox One but it would be cool to see ur approach on reviewing Sony games. Thanks AJ
The consumer outrage probably had nothing to do with it. What was more likely is this: MS said, reluctantly, "we're going to do blah blah blah" and the reaction was "What the bleep bleep bleep?!" Then Sony did a come-from-behind blow and said "we're not going to do blah blah blah" and the response was "yay, Sony is not doing blah blah blah so I'll buy Sony's console." MS then look and said "It looks like they're going to give they're money to Sony because they're not doing the blah blah blah that we are, so we'd better stop doing the blah blah blah." I'm sure it was actually competition from Sony and not fan outrage that motivated MS to change. They only care about fan outrage when they think it's going to make them lose money.
Hey joe, I'm glad Microsoft changed there policies but after 6 to 12 months or 20 million consoles sold what's to say they turn around and say they're bring back DRM and all the other bull-shit from before. Cos if you read in there terms it says Microsoft has the right to change there policies at any time and if they have tired to rip xbox fans off once, guess what they'll try again. That's why I won't be getting an xbox one because I simply don't trust Microsoft anymore. When Xbox 360 and ps3 first came out, I brought them both but this time around I'll be just buying a ps4. I'll be waiting very along time before I'm even considering buying an xbox one .
I'm getting an Xbox One within the first few months of the new year. :) I'm pumped for getting GTA V on the new generation console and am VERY looking forward to Mortal Kombat X.
LiveWire134679 You might change your mind if you research what Rockstar is doing different for the PC version =) Besides, why play an inferior version when you can use the same controllers?
PS4 has The Last of Us (ranked best game ever), Uncharted series (U2 is amongst the top 10 games ever), The God of War, Infamous series and Uncharted 4 which is coming soon. Xbone has just Halo 5 (not very highly rated)??? Gears of War ain't there in Xbone afaik. Rise of Tomb Raider is just a temporary exclusive for XBoners. Even Titanfall is on PC. So why should someone buy XBone when there are no exclusive games? Can someone please explain? Also in Ps4 gamer can play game from the discs with only a minor part of the game installing. That saves a lot of space.
Why the hell don't they release Last of Us and Uncharted on PC?? Personally I have nothing against PS, but I prefer PC and would love to play it. Last of Us is Fricking Awesome.
+Clarence Constantino that is subjective question. Everyone has personal preference. I prefer PC simply because of excellent backwards compatibility and the freedom to do what I want, way more cheap games, and the fact that I've never actually touched a gamepad since the days of Nintendo Entertainment System so I'm pretty much accustomed to KB/M. However other than these personal preferences, I've nothing against the console or console gamers. I respect all platforms. Although yeah I do agree that TLOU should at least be available to PC, if not Xbox. I mean the direct competitor to PS is Xbox only considering that PC and console gamers are two distinct crowds and they usually stick to their respective systems.
That little AngryJoe versus corporate commander cartoon at the end... Yeah I want THAT game! Why do they never give us guns and magic at the same time? Why? I suppose there is always bioshock.
Considering they still did all that stupid rubbish and the Xbox one is £80 more then its MORE POWERFUL AND LESS RESTRICTIVE rival I can't understand why all is forgiven now... Heck even the WII U is probably more worth your money.
