Xbox Series S vs Ray Tracing - Every RT Title Tested - The Story So Far

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Ray tracing support on consoles so far has been somewhat limited in the cross-gen era, with only select titles truly benefiting from RT support. Xbox Series S has been necessarily limited still further owing to more GPU, memory and bandwidth limitations. So what games do actually support RT on Series S, how good are they - and what should we expect from the future? Oliver Mackenzie reports.
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00:00:00 Overview
00:01:18 Metro Exodus, Fortnite, The Matrix Awakens
00:06:26 Resident Evil 2, 3, 7, and Village
00:08:07 Hellblade: Senua’s Sacrifice, Deliver Us The Moon, Little Nightmares 2, Observer: System Redux
00:11:17 Crysis Remastered, F1 2021/2022, Forza Horizon 5, Watch Dogs Legion
00:13:10 Analysis and conclusion

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25 июл 2024

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@jordanr.4856 Год назад

I still adore the Series S. The fact that you can get a 1080p 60fps machine that has the rare ray-tracing option for $299 or less is just astounding value.

@alexmeek610 Год назад

This especially in a time of economic instability and inflation

@andrewsqual Год назад

The PS4 Slim has been just about that the past 6 years but has constant GOTY nominated games since then. Maybe wait for those actual current gen games to see how weak series s truly is. Forspoken goes down to 720p on PS5. That pretty much confirms it will never come to series x..... because series s exists. That won't stop people claiming it was "paid to be kept off Xbox" for years to come. Expect this sort of situation for the rest of the gen. Like the fans that were begging 343i to drop the Xbone version of Infinite AFTER the ingame reveal, fans will be begging for series s to be canned.

@jordanr.4856 Год назад

@@andrewsqual Forspoken is a garbage game that barely runs on an RTX4080. Bad optimization is not the fault of Series S. Yes, Series S will be this generation’s bottleneck/minimum spec, but every generation has those. The Series S is basically a PC with a Ryzen 7 3700, an RX6500XT, an NVME and 8GB of RAM. That’s not a super powered machine by any metric, but if you can’t develop a game and get it to run at 1080p 30fps with the help of things like FSR, you’re just a bad developer. Nothing more to it.

@fancyslimoshady Год назад

@@andrewsqual Dude Forspoken is the most rushed and unoptimized game since Cyberpunk

@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe Год назад

@@fancyslimoshady forspoken drops below 60fps on the rtx 4090 at 4k ultra lmao. It's like mandatory to use dlss otherwise it drops in combat which is atrocious.

@ScrapKing73 Год назад

I’ve been fascinated by ray-tracing since learning about it in the 1980s on the Commodore Amiga, where you’d have to leave your computer on overnight just to render a single frame! My how far we’ve come.

@HylianWindRider Год назад

I wasn't around back then to experience the supposed long wait times computers forced. If you compare console power now vs then it's crazy how far tech has advanced. The NES/famicom had under 10kb of ram. Our current consoles are literally a million times more powerful 40 years later.

@cube2fox Год назад

@Intrepidation The PS5 has only twice as much unified RAM as the PS4, compare this to NES/SNES RAM. NES 2 KB RAM + 2 KB VRAM, SNES 128 KB RAM + 64 KB VRAM. So PS5 has a only a 2x increase while SNES had a 64x/32x increase. Progress has almost stopped.

@ScrapKing73 Год назад

@@cube2fox RAM is only one metric, the other performance metrics between PS4 and PS5 are broader than that. Overall the PS5 is much more than twice as powerful. However, there's still a fundamental truth to what you're saying: we are getting increasingly diminishing returns over time. And a doubling of power was more obvious back then, and is less obvious now. That's one of the reasons I favour the Series S, in fact. The Series X is a lot more powerful... but not so much so that I notice a gigantic difference in motion. There is a difference, for sure, but not enough to make it worth paying more for the hardware, using more electricity, generating more heat, and having the box take up a lot more space. At least not for me. The Series X is more powerful, but the Series S is more efficient.

@RedPillAlways Год назад

@Steven Hurdle well I personally do not think the Xbox series X is a well-balanced of a console. Yes it does have a lot of horsepower No Doubt but the fact is the fuel tank in the fuel lines that feed that engine or actually weak.. I mean if you can imagine putting the PS5s M.2 an memory bandwidth 5500Mhz(to XSXs what CFExpress Style 2300Mhz) To Xboxs little bit beefer CPU/GPU combo then you would have a very well-balanced console with absolutely zero bottlenecks. having a powerful engine really means nothing if your fuel lines and tank can't really feed it well. You can really look at RAM as Your Fuel injectors.. Mashing them to would make a very well-balanced console. Not sitting here saying that either of them are slouch. But also sitting here saying that it's only got 2x the capacity or power Like thats Nothing is Dumb. It's not necessarily diminishing returns when the Hardware you're basing it off of is a lot more powerful than the consoles of 30 years ago. Technically it would be twice that of the PS4 Pro

@ScrapKing73 Год назад

@@RedPillAlways It'll be interesting to see if the Series X memory bandwidth gets tweaked in a refresh, similarly to how Microsoft tweaked the GPU power a little between the original One and the One S. There's a precedent for that, at any rate. As for the rest, I think the point of diminishing returns is there due to things getting so good that it's hard for the average person to differentiate. Does Forza Horizon 5 look *that* much better on Series X than Series S? Or even One X for that matter? It looks really great on all of the above. As for Series S, an extra GB or two of RAM would do it an amazing amount of good, that seems to be its main bottleneck. Might get that in a Series S refresh down the road. It'll be interesting to see.

@dandiaz19934 Год назад

Am i the only one who doesnt mind not having raytracing? Its pretty cool to see what this 300usd console can do. Literally the cost of a switch.

@eSKAone- Год назад

I always opt for performance 💟

@TaIIer Год назад

RT drops your resolution but I play in performance mode anyway

@50H3i1 Год назад

You can have it for 250$ with extra controller if you catch it in sales

@vullord666 Год назад

Yeah, I still don’t see the attraction of RT at all. I think its neat that technology can achieve it but so far current applications of it are rather… boring. Personally I don’t like the hyper realism track game development has taken at all. It leads to so many titles feels so similar. We don’t experience unique art styles and animations as much in major AAA releases. Its also taken its toll on performance (with RT particularly often limiting how well a game can actually perform).

@Omar-kl3xp Год назад

Depend for how long you are planning to keep the console ,I’m sure in 3-4 years raytracing would be the standard

@773soccer Год назад

I’m loving these videos that DF have been putting out for this little guy

@VV-js4vd Год назад

Sometimes a console is just a funny little guy

@OneLastScholar Год назад

"If you watch this video without watching some of their other stuff, it's a pretty good video. They're not wrong about what they say, and they do great work. But they have such a ridiculous PC bias against console, that it gets really grating to watch. If you watch their recent steam deck video, they practically show that the deck is already struggling to keep up with big games one year later. And they end up basically saying "The Deck is a great value if you're willing to make smart compromises" or something. Whereas here, in the xbox series s video, they don't really mention the astounding value you get for this thing. Which yeah man, I really want to drop half a thousand dollars on a 2 pound handheld marketed for its performance, that will deliver a stunning 23 fps at 620p in the latest games. And all you have to do is 'make smart compromises'! What a great deal!"

@ceaselessdischarge479 Год назад

@@OneLastScholar it's not DF having PC bias, it's you having console bias. Steam Deck was never marketed as a machine made for next-gen games specifically and it still offers unprecedented value in handheld PC space along with the game library that crushes any console in existence. Series S is a great value machine, but there are major cutbacks that make it less than desirable for a lot of people in the long run. And it's not just graphics and performance: lack of a disc drive, mere 512GB of storage with stupidly expensive expansion cards. Series S owners just have to stop getting defensive every time someone dares to criticize their console.

@GreggyAck Год назад

I thought you were talking about Oliver for a second 😂

@OneLastScholar Год назад

Steam Deck IS marketed as capable of running the heavyhitters out there. From the Steam Deck website, Hardware tab: >We partnered with AMD to create Steam Deck's custom APU, optimized for handheld gaming. It is a Zen 2 + RDNA 2 powerhouse, delivering more than enough performance to run the latest AAA games in a very efficient power envelope. "Latest AAA games" = what you call "next-gen games". And you know what? The Steam Deck, unlike you, did not lie. It does run great, you just have to mind the possible compromises. Same thing with the XSS, plain and simple. Hopefully DF coverage becomes more impartial.

@ghost085 Год назад

Oliver is the Swiss Army Knife of Digital Foundry, we've seen him cover a big range of content.

@MarcoAurelio-hn1ys Год назад

I'm actually curious on regards if Dead Space Remake will run well on Series S, they were very vague on regards to it. Hopefully being a next gen only title they can actually put the Series S hardware to good use.

@glowerworm Год назад

Dead space (the original) runs perfectly well on series S and hasn't aged a day, I don't see why anybody would bother with the remake

@casperphooey Год назад

@@glowerworm Easy money in a trending genre + Frostbite training for Motive + Diehard fans like me are happy the series is alive again

@danifacka3380 Год назад

@@glowerworm no one asked

@ItsHatlolOfficial Год назад

@@glowerworm It's a 15 year old game, it'd be nice to play it again with updated graphics

@no-barknoonan1335 Год назад

I don't think it's possible to release a game in Series X and not Series S, I don't think Microsoft would allow that. And really there's no reason for it, the Series S is the exact same hardware with less memory and a cutback GPU, the rest of the specs are identical. Worst case they lock framerates to 30 and reduce graphical fidelity, but there's no reason a game that runs on Series X, couldn't run on Series S. Keep in mind PC GPU hardware, the Series S is roughly comparable to a 1660? The most popular GPU's on steam survey are GTX 970, GTX 1060, and GTX 1650, all of which are in same ballpark as Series S GPU. Ergo if it can't run on series S, it can't run on most PC's and that would greatly limit sales.

@MaschinenKopf1998 Год назад

Man Metro Exodus is just pure magic. How did they make it look so great and why can't other games do the same?

@drummer7557 Год назад

I'll take the 4K resolution with no Ray Tracing WAY above the 512p on Series S with Ray Tracing. Which I could care less about. Just my opinion. I rarely use it, since I'm more interested in playing the game, not staring at it. lol

@andrewsqual Год назад

Last gen game. What do you think series s/x only games are going to be like? Oh right, Xbox haven't really released a single game to date that is series s/x only and also sheds all doubt of series s development problems.

@franciscofarias6385 Год назад

@@drummer7557 512p is rough, but 4k is overrated. In my experience RT adds much more to the image than 4k

@SalmanG Год назад

@@andrewsqual you want microsoft the company owning windows to release an xbox game only ?

@franciscofarias6385 Год назад

@@andrewsqual Deathloop and MS Flight Sim said hello

@adeyinkatobi Год назад

Loving all these unique videos you are putting out. Great job Oliver

@d1jal Год назад

Can we all just appreciate Oliver’s skill in background beats. This guy has style

@applehazeva2739 Год назад

Yooo trueee

@Rebelscum264 Год назад

Get a room

@pistachiodisguisey911 Год назад

Are the beats inhouse? That’d be sick

@JAYCEEDOUBLE Год назад

Nobody who omits Elden Ring on their GOTY list has any kind of "taste"

@alexanderserey4855 Год назад

Yeah, he seems to know exactly how to make a video flow in such a nice way. The music choices make the video much easier to listen.

@tonyungfat Год назад

You simply cant beat the price of this machine to perforemance ratio. I paid $239 brand new an im loving every minute of it.

@sosnihuica2k10 Год назад

Metro exodus EE is still the most impressive implementation of RT in gaming with an excellent picture quality/performance ratio. A game that runs entirely on RTGI works well even on average hardware. While new titles drop performance in half due to several puddles with RT reflections on the screen.

@arcticowl1091 Год назад

Yeah, too bad the series S version has such a low resolution that it doesn't matter. RT is not worth it when your game is running at a lower resolution than the fucking xbox 360

@Malothegoat Год назад

@@arcticowl1091you not a comp gamer you dont get it

@aladdin8623 Год назад

Again an appreciated Video from DF. To correct some important points though, which are sadly repeated in many videos: 1:37 Metro Exodus EE's global illumination system is actually not fully based on per pixel RTGI, but uses a combo with DDGI. The later is based on light probes, which is a bad GI hack. That and the lack of RTAO add to a overlit area GI impression, which is pretty bad in comparison to true sophisticated per pixel path tracing.

@HiCZoK Год назад

The definition of "give this task to the new guy and I will review Dead Space" /s great vid Oliver

@XDLugia Год назад

It will be interesting to see if the RT shadows that's coming to Halo Infinite will be coming to the Series S (or even X). I assume it will only be in the 30 FPS mode, and who knows how nice it will be.

@zalankhan5743 Год назад

343 Should first Fix the Frame Pacing in the 30Fps mode before adding RT

@Pisscan Год назад

Who still plays that mess? … 💀

@zalankhan5743 Год назад

@@Pisscan hahah yeah. But I havent even started Infinite's Campaign. When almost Everything is fixed then I am gonna play The Shit out of it.

@scissortongue5772 Год назад

When’s this coming? First I’ve heard of it?

@zalankhan5743 Год назад

@@scissortongue5772 i believe they said it in an Interview. That they will adding RT Later on. But the Release Date is not Confirmed.

@Links-ku5mq Год назад

great video. anticipating your dead space remake performance reviews :)

@ViiTooRHuuGoo Год назад

Keep up with the good work Oliver, amazing content!

@budthecyborg4575 Год назад

RTGI is the only thing Series S absolutely needs to be able to do. RT reflections are basically never necessary for gameplay, but when you have fully dynamic environments, e.g. Fortnite, RTGI really shines.

@riddleiddle Год назад

Leaning more casually on the DF fanbase, this is the kind of videos I anticipate most out of you guys. Raytracing has always been exciting to me, and its finally at the point where its looking really impressive. Now you guys made a comprehensive list to back up my current respect for raytracing. Love it!! Glad I watched this at 1440 too at first at 480p I wasn't impressed with the visuals, the resolution is crucial.

@riddleiddle Год назад

Because the details are so fine with newer games, some times it takes me a minute of examination before I really appreciate the difference. I understand it might be considered priming your opinion, but if you labeled the ones you personally find graphically improved, it would be easier for me to know which side to observe first consistently. :) edit: I guess in this case X is of course objectively better than S my bad. But in other videos

@MarbleThumbs Год назад

@@fionnmaccuill415 You can see why, AMD is far better bang for your buck, but Nvidia are going from strength to strength when it comes to Ray Tracing and AI upscaling.

@soakedmovie9231 Год назад

@@riddleiddle I wonder if that's why I've never been really impressed with ray tracing cause I've only ever seen it at 1080p before

@punkpop101 Год назад

Superb work as always.

@Nolasco. Год назад

This was great Oliver 😁👍

@PP7Silenced Год назад

I'm looking forward to the Goldeneye comparison.

@danielclifton6140 Год назад

And here I am with an Xbox Series X hooked up to a very old tv that’s stuck in 720p……

@theforgottenplayer9215 Год назад

Damn.

@davidandrew6855 Год назад

I think 720p can still look very good, it is sucha jump from the 640x480 of the distant past, in fact I stream most of my stuff at 720 to cut down on data usage. 720p can still get the job done I think.

@simonuk1213 Год назад

Great analysis Oliver 👍🏻

@zeus1117 Год назад

Great video!

@Vsevolod3788 Год назад

16:00 All this ray-tracing tech and accuracy and he still has unshaded eyes 😅

@holaferfi Год назад

I really hope you guys do an analysis of Hi-Fi Rush! That game looks so good on Series X!

@DEARSLAY88 Год назад

Looks great on the Series S too! Buttery smooth

@holaferfi Год назад

@@Shredder2898 I think covering a game that looks this good and runs this smoothly in both the X and S is absolutely worth it. Even more so knowing that it was shadow dropped out of nowhere and feels super polished.

@xBINARYGODx Год назад

@@Shredder2898 you dont know there is nothing interesting - its cell shading is second to none, and I would like to hear more information on that.

@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe Год назад

It's 1440p 60fps on the series s and is absolutely stunning. Really great optimisation from the folks over at tango gameworks.

@Luhiner Год назад

@@xBINARYGODx go watch their biomutant video to understand why its not interesting for the channel direction

@BigCheeseEvie Год назад

Love your vids guys! Could you make a video about stalker trilogy though?

@sunnywagle8995 Год назад

Videos like this are the reason why we love Digital Foundry.

@wh5027 Год назад

Will be interesting to see how Forza Motorsport looks and performs on the Series S.

@Canma890 Год назад

If you have a 1080p screen this console has great performance, low price, RT support and a next gen SSD. A little beast. Oh and gamepass.

@lordspalse0062 Год назад

My ps5 gives me a worse experience my 55 inch 1080p Tv. Pathetic console locks me out of 4k mode for all my ps4 pro enhanced games and even some of my native ps5 games. May God punish Sony

@Canma890 Год назад

@@lordspalse0062 thats actually pretty sad.

@Omar-kl3xp Год назад

@@lordspalse0062 so u have a 1080p tv but you complaining because you are not getting 4K? Are u serious ?you need a 4K tv to play at 4K in a ps5 ,I can’t believe there are some people that dumb that has a 1080p with ps5 and then complain why they cannot get 4k

@gabybaby4348 Год назад

@@lordspalse0062 try changing the HDMI cord, unless it's your tv that don't support 4k

@mxnarch349 Год назад

@@lordspalse0062 That makes no sense are you sure it’s not an issue on your end?

@LucasCosta-sn7od Год назад

RTGI and RTAO are the best ray tracing solutions for the current gen consoles in combination with fsr and vrs. I hope that the lack of ram os series s can be softned with the implement of xbox velocitity and sample feedback streaming in the future games.

@Villaboy78 Год назад

Would love to see how CONTROL manages on this console with RT

@FC-jd1ck Год назад

Well, S sits between the R and the T, so medium results are expected.

@carlosdonizetti9573 Год назад

If the Series S in its lifecycle can keep at majority of titles (next gens) 1080p and at worts cases 900p, its one hell of a little machine !

@marcomilan3738 Год назад

At worst? A lot of titles are already below that

@JaimeIsJaime Год назад

1080p or 900p is just the target resolution. It is a dynamic resolution. actual resolutions on Series S are very often below that

@MT_Real_ Год назад

@@marcomilan3738 yes, but the resolution overall is higher by using new technology on UE 5. We have FSR 2.1 and something new by UE 5

@kenroyforrester156 Год назад

@Jaime not really way off and DF has proven that

@Omar-kl3xp Год назад

Some titles are already at 720p or dynamic 900p so I don’t think it will stay all the time at 1080p

@sergei9912 Год назад

I'm excited to see what we'll see in the future, as of now I can say that we're moving in the right direction but we still have a long way to go with Ray Tracing

@Mike-sf7ex Год назад

Do we really need a DF analysis to tell us a budget console isn't the best option for the highest fidelity/visual quality gaming? Seems kind of a no brainer. The Series S missing raytracing features is not a problem it's just targeting a different market yet DF keeps insisting this is an issue.

@avocadopictures9706 Год назад

You've really helped me out with these thorough Series S videos. Picking one up this weekend so i don't waste my active Game Pass Ultimate sub after selling my laptop. With limited shelf space, no 4K TV and a big chunk of my backlog being on Switch, Series S looks perfect for some on-and-off Game Pass gaming.

@benjones7117 Год назад

If you don’t have 4K tv it’s perfect

@joeydirt420 Год назад

People still have 1080p tvs? So pixelated.

@oppium7588 Год назад

@@joeydirt420 dont feel like buying a new one

@joeydirt420 Год назад

@@oppium7588 when did you buy your 1080p tv? They came out well over 10years ago. Youve had 11 years to buy a 4k tv lol

@oppium7588 Год назад

@@joeydirt420 i use my dads old tv 🤣 so idk

@neighborofthedevil Год назад

I'm quite happy to stick with my Series S until RTGI or RT AO become more common in games. I think by that point the limitations of the S will be evident and it'll be a good idea to upgrade. At the moment, it doesn't seem to be a transformative experience when running with just RT shadows or reflections and I don't feel like I'm missing out on too much, at least at a living room distance.

@phrozac Год назад

Speaking of Exodus, the SDK was recently released. How cool will it be for modders to get in there and create essentially Metro Anomaly(Stalker reference) with full RT at their disposal? That too will unfortunately take years as well but very exciting.

@dan_loup Год назад

I think raytracing will become more common on Series S when we get engines that are made to abuse directstorage to pull data off the storage in realtime. With this, you can lower the memory footprint of the game assets by just having the absolutely necessary for the current frame pretty loaded in memory, and free RAM for bvh structures and the such. But current generation engines are meant to have minutes of data in the ram at all times, as the hard drive storages they're designed for take minutes to load the data in.

@parsiabolouki7685 Год назад

This is really interesting

@dan_loup Год назад

@@upmain193 It's the list of triangles the GPU will work with for the raytracing in a structure that makes easier to the GPU to work with. The whole "raytracing" thing is just you tell the GPU "vegeta, please tell me the list of triangles that the line from point A to point B intersect!", and then the GPU will run thru the BVH stupidly fast and tell you exactly which got hit. A very simple example on how this is used is that when you're drawing a pixel of the character, you make a line between that pixel of the character and the light and ask the GPU if there is anything in the way. and if there is, you don't draw the light on that pixel of the character. Do it for every pixel you drew and you got a very sharp shadow cast.

@ChicagoMade Год назад

Bingo and that’s what people miss

@kylelochner5686 Год назад

Not 100% true though. Ray tracing is super demanding on the gpu and amd's first attempt at rt was pretty weak. An rx 6500xt is more powerful than the series s and even on that gpu if you try to run majority of the games with the lowest rt setting it's well below 30fps on lower settings @1080p. Direct storage isn't gonna help with fps and no amount of memory optimization is gonna help.

@dan_loup Год назад

@@kylelochner5686 depends on what RT effect you're trying to achieve. as i said earlier, it is just a ray on triangle search, not a complete lighting solution, so it is possible that more lightweight techniques get invented using the thing when it gets so widespread you can base your engine on it. RT shadow casting is something i'm pretty sure all engines will adopt as standard in the future as the current pixel shader solution is just horrible to work with and probably heavier than a no bounce shadow solution.

@ezio2402 Год назад

I'm so excited and curious about GTA VI and RAGE engine in general and how it will run on consoles, especially series s.

@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe Год назад

They got rdr2 running and looking really good on the base Xbox one so I'm not concerned

@vncube1 Год назад

Sooooo nearly 5 years later and Ray traced audio is nowhere to be heard? 😕

@itsbeaties8902 Год назад

12:22 they do work in gameplay as of a month or two ago

@flushit. Год назад

For me the S is actually the most impressive MS console so far. Good content, Oli.

@sneikiusas Год назад

Most impressive how?

@Shinssue Год назад

@@sneikiusas can run actual games in 1080/1440p at 60fps, without RT for sure but burn 100w less than seriesX and PS5. SeriesS + gamepass, make it the perfect low budget machine.

@flushit. Год назад

@@sneikiusas I'm 50 years old, snes was my first console, and so far I have never be blown away by a machine that cheap. I am very aware it is not the most powerful system available. That is not what this machine is about.

@Pedro_The_Neco Год назад

To me that has been the One X still. All that graphical capability on that form factor was awesome for 2017.

@rinkumultani6515 Год назад

dude series s run mostly between 500-900p without ray tracing there are only few handful of games above 1080 p like he said in the video there are only few ray tracing games and almost all of them are old games that got ray tracing added later on. but when it comes to new games series s dont have any ray tracing option but what ever if u keep fooling u self like that there is no helping

@ScrapKing73 Год назад

Oliver’s content is top-notch every time! Love it. :-)

@dutchguy1807 Год назад

Very interesting video as i have been pretty frustrated with so many games skipping ray tracing on my Series S. Hope the Dead Space Remake supports it.

@fernandomartinez4486 Год назад

Right now, the kings of RT are Nvidia. People can hate the company as much as they want but they own the best RT right now. AMD plain an simple, does not very well with RT. Their RT sucks and that is why their 3D cards are cheaper, because their main focus is not RT, but overall performance, price and value. That been said, do you know what GPU do both PS5 and Series consoles have? AMD. And even worse, it is a watered down version of AMD gpus. You expect RT from a scaled down gpu, which never was good at RT to begin with . Want RT? get a PC. You cant afford it? just forget about RT, even more if you only play on a series s. Superior consoles like PS5 and Series X have to chose from Performance, 4k or RT....one at a time. You run a Series S and want it all? Even better consoles dont have the hardware, you only have a Series S. Forget it.

@TruTrae Год назад

The PS5 and Series X do not use ray tracing in many games, it's unrealistic to expect a 300 dollar console to use ray tracing in more than a few games.

@dutchguy1807 Год назад

@@fernandomartinez4486 i get what you are saying and offcourse i dont expect a top notch ray tracing experience on my console but my disappointment stems from seeing what is possible on Series S as Metro Exodus clearly shows (and at 60 fps!).

@dutchguy1807 Год назад

@@TruTrae My point is that its now somewhat of a trend to skip the Series S with RT features while certain games in this video show the Series S can handle it when devs take some time for it.

@yomamasohot6411 Год назад

@You're not built different, you are pathetic! Defending a billion-dollar corporation that has released a console using false marketing. Maybe they should have added this *only 16 games in 2 years* disclaimer in the ads they were running.

@AbimayoXD Год назад

I feel like if Xbox would have given the S 12gb of ram it would help a lot of problems

@awesomeferret Год назад

Why does it always seem to be RAM in the end? Consider what consoles like the original Xbox or even the Wii could have done had they had a gigabyte of RAM. History repeats itself.

@CaptDnaDonut Год назад

Most impressive part of Metro Exodus on Series S, in my opinion, is that it runs at 60fps.

@spike2000uk Год назад

Completed metro exodus on series s, I'd say the 60fps was great but the raytracing didn't exactly leap out at me...

@rahulpandey9472 Год назад

People who can't enable rt in their hardware are honestly not missing much.

@drummer7557 Год назад

Amen, I play on the One X and the games look absolutely stunning at Native 4K, or close enough. I'll never get rid of it for older titles, and new ones that still release. I'll use the PS5 for everything else. IMO The Series S should have never been, just a money making scheme by MS. AGAIN. Sad.

@rahulpandey9472 Год назад

@@drummer7557 I don't think it's a money making scheme. It's just providing a product to different market segment. Sony should have also done the same. A lot of people will be left behind just because of price tag.

@jwepiphone Год назад

I barely think RT is worth it on my PC so it doesn't seem like a big deal that it isn't prominent on the series S. I would certainly like it to be because player options are always good but I don't think that most people in the market for a $300 or less console will see this as a deal breaker. Still, it's very impressive how well Metro Exodus both looks and performs. I would love to see more games achieve that on all hardware.

@Eternalduoae Год назад

Am I crazy, or is there stutter in the video for the panning shots? Can't tell if it's my system acting up (maybe something downloading in the background) or it's actually there...

@tricky2917 Год назад

Would really like to know if we're ever going to see Minecraft RT on consoles.

@Igolorbr Год назад

Love Series S content.

@MmntechCa Год назад

Considering it's a $299 console and that RDNA2's implementation of RT is a wee bit shite to begin with, the S certainly puts up a valiant effort. I thought Control supported at least some RT features on the S. Looks like it does. I'll have to do a side-by-side with the PC version.

@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe Год назад

Control only has a 60fps mode on the series S. Ray tracing mode is only on the series x.

@MrNagant007 Год назад

I think we will need a pro model from MS and Sony largely just for RT. Wonder if AMD can do a custom GPU with 2~4 RT cores per CU. RDNA2 has 2 AI cores per CU, so we could see FSR more similar to DLSS so that would help too.

@xtr.7662 Год назад

That wont happen at all theyd rather spend money on more gpu power than make a gamble like that and ms prolly wont have a pro this gen only ps5 since they already released two models with different power levels

@FelixAndrews Год назад

Does Paradise Killer have RT reflections on Xbox? The PS5 version does, and it even mostly holds 60FPS while doing it.

@Dfdm7 Год назад

DF foundry videos are always great and the work use put in to each video is appreciated massively… but let’s be honest most people who buy the series s aren’t that interested in ray tracing and just want a cheaper entry to the Xbox eco system

@nick13b Год назад

true but for 199 you cant beat the Series S value, I got one for my friend and they love it and try to brag to me how close the visuals are compared to my pc and Series X and its actually true, only way I can see a difference is if I stand one inch away from the screen and analyze the pixel count, All of her games run at 1440p/60 and I run games at 4k/60 and I cant tell a difference at all. For 199 its a killer deal and only gonna get better with time when games start using rt better

@DP12321 Год назад

@@nick13b You can definitely tell the difference unless you've got really bad eyesight. I got a like new Series X for $300 and it's nice not having an inferior console.

@HeadacheCentral Год назад

As cool as this graphical feature can look, it's embarrassing that a few years after its first implementations it still compromises performance in games so badly.

@benblitzkrieg Год назад

Good content as always, still holding off from buying dead space remake tho. Need to know from DF which platform should I buy it on! (Ps5 or xsx)

@Kcalien Год назад

Love ya videos

@Lock2002ful Год назад

Dead Space Remake console and pc videos when?

@marcusstoner1641 Год назад

Yeah I was expecting that today as Reviewers have been playing it for several days...

@ckhound1 Год назад

I personally love my Series S, and to be honest, after 2+ years of me using my PS5 almost exclusively, I have been slipping into using my Series S more. Being able to not have to stream my old games that I love playing is huge.

@exmerion Год назад

I really think RTGI is the only viable path forward. It's such a huge bang for buck feature.

@ElectroKinetic1977 Год назад

I got a barely used Series S for $150 on OfferUp and this console is truly amazing for the price.....

@hashneurosys Год назад

for me raytracing is awesome to look at but at a cost of blurry image n visual artifacts+glitches, thus usually i turn it off. raytracing is indeed the new graphical leap in gaming but as it stands currently, its just not mature yet. and when the top dog of gpu market have to resort to 'fake frame' ai algorithm to have playable framerate, its a hard pass for me. its fun to turn it one once in awhile but its definitely not a deal breaker for me to not have it.

@invinceabillb6048 Год назад

really looking forward to see what series s does with the new forza motorsport

@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe Год назад

They've claimed that series x is doing 4k 60fps with ray tracing during gameplay but I bet it's a dynamic resolution. If that's the case and the engine is optimised well enough then I can see the series s also getting some ray tracing also probably much lower quality reflections to fit within the vram buffer.

@beewalk34 Год назад

I have both. I love my S as a portable console on the go with a portable gaming monitor

@ThePowershifter Год назад

Are the RT on vs. off labels incorrectly placed in the RE comparisons? This is especially evident when you are talking about light bleed around 7:36. There's bleed on the left hand side (which is tagged RT-on) but it seems correct on the right hand side (which is tagged RT-off).

@uhurunuru6609 Год назад

Nope, taking the first image Pause @ 7:35, first mention of light bleed, RT Off, lighting is all wrong. Doorway light is more like a lamp shaded result, not bare light. Then go higher to the clock, RT On correctly illuminates the clock form the right hand side light, and just below with RT Off we see classic light bleed, from below. No light from the doorway should reach that beam, yet it's lit from below, because the light is "Bleeding though solid stone, as though it's not even there. {Edit} Just realised you're mistaking the bounce lighting of RT (how natural lighting really works) for light bleeding through what are meant to be solid objects in the game.

@MicoSelva Год назад

Missing Series S feature that is a game-breaker for me is the lack of an optical drive. If Microsoft ever releases an external blu-ray drive for this console, I will seriously consider getting it.

@oldspice051 Год назад

I doubt that they will, removing the drive is part of the reason they’re able to keep the cost down.

@mikerandall273 Год назад

@@oldspice051 an optional external drive wouldn't affect the cost of a series s

@dnegel9546 Год назад

buy a series X 😑

@oldspice051 Год назад

@@mikerandall273 Oh, I didn’t notice OP said “external blu ray drive.” Sorry.

@oldspice051 Год назад

Sorry OP, I didn’t see the “external” part of “external hard drive.” My mistake. 😅

@younggio9065 Год назад

Is a series s basically a 3050 with a ryzen 3700x?

@maaax1173 Год назад

3700x, yes, 3050, no. Something between an Rx 6400 and 6500xt

@ka7al958 Год назад

No, i have a 3050 and it's more powerfull and offers more performance on similar settings, but the Series S price, optimization and decent CPU makes up vastly for that gap.

@ka7al958 Год назад

Also, the RT on a 3050 is suprior to anything on consoles.

@MisterPikol Год назад

@@ka7al958 3050 can compete with series s but not x or ps5, since they both have similar powers to rtx 2080ti. I have an 3050 myself.

@applehazeva2739 Год назад

the Series S is more like an 1660 Super

@the_dark_exe145 Год назад

Forza has raytracing when you change the camera to hood view and if you look on ur cars hood u can see other cars on the hood

@aweigh1010 Год назад

Oliver has finally conquered his audio issues! This recording/voice quality is good.

@RonnyLive19881 Год назад

Going from PS5 to my OLED Switch I never miss “ray tracing”. I put it in quotes because I have yet to see a section in a PS5 game that made me think OH COOL other than the blood filled basement in Resident Evil VIII, that part does look better than the last gen offerings. Congratulations I guess… My favorite thing about the new gen is little to know load times, I can’t go back to my One X at all.

@WH250398 Год назад

Honestly, if Ray Tracing means no 60 fps, then I'm simply not using it. I consider it a waste of resources most of the time.

@subjectivereviews Год назад

True

@cabecorra91 Год назад

If they could use the processor of raytracing for other things besides raytracing, that would be awsome.

@spooderman6522 Год назад

Doesn't Dolmen also use RT on all current-gen consoles?

@The_Independant_Pit Год назад

I don't get why Microsoft didn't go for 12Go of RAM on the S. I mean it's cheaper with less ram but developpers have to cutback memory on the S relative to Xbox ONE X and sometimes the ONE X perform better. But developper work is key here it's multiplying platform which in console developpement is not great. Otherwise S is quite good value.

@hbala24 Год назад

I guess since the One X was targeting 4K whereas the Series S is a baseline 1080p or 1440p.

@The_Independant_Pit Год назад

@@hbala24 true but the 1440/1080P is supposedly for Xbox series title, many development made for the xbox one X cannot be use without some touch to memory management the S would otherwise been able to use Xbox one X title without much modifications otherwise. Please your developpers, you please your consumers...

@hbala24 Год назад

@@The_Independant_Pit Yeah that’s an annoying thing, especially for some Xbox one games that are below 1080p. Battlefield 4 runs at 720p I believe. Since the Backwards Compatibility team isn’t adding anymore titles, I think it would be great if they started focusing on enhancing Xbox one titles for the X and S. Resolution boost and FPS boost if possible.

@xtr.7662 Год назад

Well the series s also has a weaker gpu and slower ram so it would never run at similar or higher resolutions than the one x anyways

@SuperForRealsWiiGamr Год назад

I absolutely love the series s. Such a capable console for only $250-$300 dollars

@theinfinity2994 Год назад

Fr. Got one for $120 from a friend and the performance is great

@drummer7557 Год назад

I got one and took it back, stuck with my One X and PS5 LOL. Sorry guys, not impressive.

@nick13b Год назад

@@drummer7557 Series S isnt made for sweaty try hards like you, its more for casuals and girls and kids/moms and whatnot, my lady friend loves her Series S to death cause she can game, watch shows and movies, and the web browser is so good you can do cloud gaming, use ms word and powerpoint, check email etc with a keyboard and mouse for a 199 dollar console, it sure can do alot

@theforgottenplayer9215 Год назад

@@nick13b I couldn’t said it better.

@usergk71 3 месяца назад

@@nick13bthe web browser is horribly optimized, runs extremely slow, this is coming from a series s user

@ZombiemanTemple Год назад

The RT implementation for RE2 remake is astounding imo.

@Janokins Год назад

Doesn't The Persistence: Enhanced have RT on Series S? Maybe it was cut. I know the console versions didn't get RT shadows, but they did get reflections and GI. It's another unreal title, so you know what to expect. Edit: Looked up some footage, looks like it was cut unless they turned it off in the settings, bit of a shame as it didn't add much except dynamic lights.

@subjectivereviews Год назад

Digital Series X would have made sense

@MrMightyZ Год назад

I have a series x and I love it. In some ways it’s already shown me it’s more powerful that I thought it’d be. But I’ve learned it is not really a raytracing capable machine for me. I hoped FSR 2.1 might bring huge changes like a 40hz+ RT mode for Cyberpunk or 80hz+ performance mode but it made no noticeable difference so; RT is very limited and on AAA it’s 30hz and Fortnight is shimiering and pop-up-riddled clearly demonstrating UE5’s limits with that small open world that doesn’t even have any AI. PS5 and XSX are cool consoles but aren’t good RT machines so XSS has no chance.

@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe Год назад

Most devs just aim for the standard 30 and 60 modes and don't mess around with fsr or 40 and 120 modes very often. Simply because most people don't have 120hz screens yet so they are putting dev time into modes that most players will never touch.

@MrMightyZ Год назад

@@JudeTheRU-vidPoopersubscribe well that sucks and lack of interest in optimising from devs would be just another reason these consoles are very far from the cutting edge. But to my eyes, Cyberpunk in performance mode looks absolutely amazing. 2077 and Requiem are the most "next gen" or current gen experiences on my console, to my eyes and if they represent the standard go8ng forward then I'm happy. (And requiem is the game that taught me that 40hz is actually worth it for me and a much nicer experience than 30. WAY better than i thought it'd be)

@MrMightyZ Год назад

@@JudeTheRU-vidPoopersubscribe But also those devs are nuts because 120hz is going to be standard over three next 5 to 10 years so they're shortening their games lives by not future proofing.

@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe Год назад

@@MrMightyZ requiem on my series s in the 40hz mode was a real treat to play. It's shocking how huge of a difference an extra 10 frames makes haha.

@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe Год назад

@@MrMightyZ they'll just do a "next gen patch" in 6 years lol

@TheBl4ckSh33p Год назад

I hope there will be more RT games in the future. 🤩

@jafzja1782 Год назад

Series S is a great console, but I think that they should added more RAM or at least faster RAM to the package.

@davidandrew6855 Год назад

In a perfect world, they should have matched the RAM allotment in the Series X, just wouldn't need the massive 560GB bandwidth for the S. If they had done that, I'm betting most of the devs concerns would be non-existent, or more likely the ones complaining would just double down on the 4TF of GPU power.

@steel5897 Год назад

It's a huge shame current gen consoles can't use DLSS.

@Coolmouse777 Год назад

They can use FSR

@Wylie288 Год назад

@@Coolmouse777 Which is no where near as good. DLSS is literal hardware acceleration. FSR is just lowering the resolution and playing a bunch of tricks your average moron won't notice. Those that do FSR sucks. But DLSS can look very passable. Its a valid thing to want.

@Coolmouse777 Год назад

@@Wylie288 personally have used only DLSS, but there are many comparison video between DLSS and FSR on youtube and main conclusion from them that DLSS is better it almost all ways, but FSR(version 2.0 and above) not so behind and still can be useble. personally have used only DLSS, but there are many comparison video between DLSS and FSR on youtube and main conclusion from them that DLSS is better it almost all ways, but FSR(version 2.0 and above) not so behind and still can be usable.

@grumpyrocker Год назад

I'm amazed RT even exists on the Series S. It's a fabulous machine for £250. One of the best bargains in gaming. I've been very impressed when I've used my kids' Series S.

@aronmayo Год назад

Supposedly Tennis World Tour 2 has raytracing on Series S. At least, the developers did claim this. It’s never been covered by any media outlet or any tech analysis though. Always overlooked in these RT videos and lists.

@LaDeXi Год назад

I didn't even know there are this many games that have RT :D

@xcrack6364 Год назад

with the matrix demo they released in december utilizing unreal 5, shows the series S just about keeps right up with the X in ray tracing ability.

@kuplayford1203 Год назад

Unreal Engine 5 looks extremely promising with it's software based RT :)

@technologylord4017 Год назад

Get That Dead Space Remake Analysis Uploaded immediately lol Why You Making US wait ?

@alexhunt5311 Год назад

RE3 rt mode on series s is smooth as butter feels like 60 its a shame it couldnt be the same for re2 its running like 30-40 .. and on top of that RE3 has more impressive reflections as well. Very weird

@budthecyborg4575 Год назад

12:27 Forza "Real Time Cube Map" I remember when they updated the RT settings in Horizon 5 for PC and I drove around thinking the cube map (or some part of it) was the new RT effect. That cube map is one of the best examples of reflections I've ever seen, reflections always curve accurately to the shape of the car, and it does not use ray tracing. This is another prime example of why we don't need RT Reflections, it's just not an practical improvement. Sad reality is the RT reflections we do get in Forza Horizon 5 don't reflect the environment at all, it's only car-self-reflection, so there was really no point in enabling the feature to begin with.

@SimonKabbaj Год назад

series s still surprising me !

@blindfire3167 Год назад

Metro Exodus was a really beautiful game (when I played it on a 1080ti and 8700k...so probably even better with RT on!). I would call it a masterpiece if the voice acting wasn't so.....Metro lol and if the story was something I could actually get into (voice acting mostly pulled me out). I'm honestly still surprised how well it runs on the Series S, considering how well it looks vs its performance compared to most other games that are coming out today. Good on them for making a well optimized game.

@Coolmouse777 Год назад

Enhanced edition support Ukrainian localization with English sub. Good way to enjoy this beautiful game.

@jackhanma376 Год назад

Imo metro Exodus EE still has the best RTGI implementation, i couldn't find any other games that have such quality and transformative effect, and it's crazy that it runs at 60fps on series s, 4A games devs went god mode to create this masterpiece

@drummer7557 Год назад

512p resolution at 60fps is NOT impressive dude. Sorry to burst your bubble. That's lower than anything that was ever on 360 or PS3 even. lol

@jackhanma376 Год назад

@@drummer7557 yeah but we're talking about a full ray tracing experience with a rock solid frame rate, forspoken runs at an unstable 60fps at 720p on ps5 and series x 💀 I'm curious to see how it runs on series s

@JeskidoYT Год назад

Ah yes, the emulation console.

@MrEditsCinema Год назад

I had a 3080, 3080 Ti and now got a 4080. There was only one game where I felt like I had to have Ray tracing turned on (Metro Exodus/Enhanced Edition) Sure cyberpunk with ray tracing can add to the visuals but I didn't find it game changing at all. I'd always rather aim for 4K 120 FPS or close too using VRR

@mrsupergt1 Год назад

I know the new xbox consoles are supposedly supposed to do supersampling automatically but honestly I dont think it always dose infact when you go into display options menu there is a check box that says enable 4k even if your tv is set to a lower resolution but if your tv is not 4k it wont work at all ....which goes against what the option tells you it dose because its says even if your TV is at a lower resolution it should work....Can we get this looked into please?

@lordspalse0062 Год назад

At least be grateful it even works sometimes compared to the useless ps5 that locks 1080p users completely out of the 4k mode of every ps4 pro enhanced games and even some native ps5 games.

@kieran.grant_ Год назад

You can't force your TV to accept a higher resolution signal than it was built for, you can barely even get some PC monitors to do so (and even then, the information bandwidth remains the same. My 1440p 120hz monitor will accept a 4K signal, but only at 60hz). The "automatic super sampling" means that if the game renders at above 1080p, it will still render at that target resolution even if played on a 1080p screen. I would be happy to provide further clarification if this doesn't make sense, feel free to ask!

@mrsupergt1 Год назад

@@kieran.grant_ Thank you for your input but I'm not trying to force the monitor into a higher resolution honestly I know the ps4 pro has an option to enable supersampling for people that have 1080p displays so that even though the games native resloution is higher then 1080p it downscales to 1080p and looks better for it....its called Supersampling and it helps with Anti Aliasing ....I know that when you go to a AMD graphics cards option menu on a PC you can do what's called Virtual Super resloution or something like that but it's the same thing in which your computer will set any video or games to 4k internally but your display will still think its 1080p ....

@williewright9484 Год назад

It's because the damn console can upscale games into 4k, does anyone understand that or do people understand that period, because it seems like we have a bunch of people who don't know a damn thing when it comes 2 this fact smh

@lordspalse0062 Год назад

@@mrsupergt1 Something the ps5 lacks for strange reasons I'll never comprehend. Why lock me out of supersampling for almost 250 physical ps4 pro enhanced games and even some of my native ps5 games without resolution and performance options?