*Klaus:* Rex... What is it you desire? *Rex:* What else? To stop Malos. *Klaus:* And if you succeed? *Rex:* I'll punch him in his stupid face. And then... Probably get a drink with him or something.
So Xenoblade 1 and 2 are what happened when Klaus reset the universe, and Xenoblade X is what would’ve happened if he never did. That’s actually kinda wild
If you look closely at Xenoblade X beginning, there are mechs fighting in space, like in the cutscene here. Also when there is the explosion you can see a space station shaped exactly like the World tree, and the explosion originates in space, not on earth. I think that what we see in Xenoblade X intro is Klaus experiment going off. And the "flash of light" that aliens report seeing before finding themselves on Mira well.. it must be it as well.
So is X a prequel or is at a xenoblade game without Klaus? Even so thank you for telling me that about X,I needed to know it's role in the xenoblade timeline.
Now that we know that both worlds are made of opposite matters it is also cool to know that the games have so many opposites (an older cast in 1, a younger cast in 2, Klaus being evil in 1, Klaus being good in 2, etc.)
@@bladerdj3503 I think this could also explain why two versions of the same character can appear in Aionios, because Aionios is still two worlds with two opposite versions of "the truth", and every person existing there is affected by that conflicted duality. You could say that Aionios is like the two halves of a broken mirror, reflecting "a million shades of light".
+Paper Luigi I know this is late but the recent XC1DE trailer basically confirmed Alvis is Ontos as they retconned his neck keychain to be the core crystal of the trinity processor
@@Proteus_Ridley and in the definitive edition, his charm key turned into an aegis core crystal, btw if you didn't know by now, but Alvis actually created both the mechonis monado and shulk's monado
Everybody is commenting on the actual Architect plot twist and that's all great, but I'd just like to draw attention to the beginning of this cutscene with Rex, Pyra, and Mythra. That was genuinely one of the most emotional and well done scenes in the series for me. Rex delivers some damn good emotional lines and the fact that the Pyra/Mythra dynamic is swapped, playing with his emotions further really seals the deal. Knowing the context around the cutscene makes it so much more heartfelt. Props to the writer and actors in the scene, because goddamn did that get to me.
Throughout the game, I never liked Rex’s voice acting, it just sounded off, especially whenever he screamed someone’s name... but here in this scene, the actor just seems to pull the emotion off just perfectly. The voice of a broken boy who’s not even a full adult yet...
“Rex... Pnuema... your resourcefulness in overcoming this trial speaks to the promise of a hero. In the name of the Goddess Hylia, I bestow upon you this Spirit Orb. May the Goddess smile upon you.”
Klaus couldn’t see the goodness in humanity before the experiment. He was terrified and saddened by the implications of the fact that his new creations evolved as just humans once again, so he couldn’t see their goodness then either. It wasn’t about samples, it was about psychology and morality. It was about him meeting his creations face to face and finally realizing how amazing they were
Quite a grand plan of Klaus Use the Cloud Sea to rebuild the ruined world Use the Core Crystals to recreate life Finally, Use the Blades to protect, monitor, and continue the new circle of life
The Zohar Engine....taps into different dimensions to siphon energy....holy sh$%! Monolith actually made sense of this in this game too! Galea? Xenoblade Chronicles 3?? Oh, wait...that was Klaus' co-worker. Meyneth....the Mechonis.
"I gathered miniature vessels containing memories of all this planet's former lifeforms..." Interesting way to put it considering KOS-MOS and T-elos are awakened through core crystals.
My thought is this was a way some people were able to return if not in form, but their personality, their consciousness within in a different shape. Of course no memories and possible special powers or life span of a blade, but I think especially the Rare blades were people from the other universe or were based on ideal or the architect's preference (as you noted about Te-los and KOS-MOS). I imagined Mythra was his ideal woman: smart - if a bit arrogant due to her position and power as a master blade, observant, sexy, knows when to leave a guy alone, and a bit spicy. Malos being the man that girls/women oogled over, had power...if he demanded it he got the attention if he desired it, and was taken seriously - a man he wished he was.
It's possible (based on nothing but a guess) that because of the multiverse being confirmed here that the Blue Planet KOS-MOS is falling towards at the end of Episode 3 is NOT the Earth of their universe, but instead Klaus' Earth. And her soul/memories were reformed thanks to the Core Crystal thing. Especially since it's insinuated she remembers Shion.
@@SteveRudzinski Technically Earth disappeared from the universe entirely in Xenosaga, hence coming to be known as Lost Jerusalem. It's merely a theory of mine, of course, but I like to think that Xenblade Chronicles 1 and 2 also ended around the same time as Xenosaga did, and that in addition to creating a new continent with his last action, the architect (Klaus) returned Alrest (Earth) to it's former location, hence 'Lost Jerusalem' reappearing at the end of Xenosaga. This is pure speculation of course, but looking at how advanced the Earth was in Klaus's time, it is not impossible that there were some human colonies away from the earth that could have thrived and grown into the society that we saw in Xenosaga As for Xenoblade Chronicles X, I do not think that that 'Earth' was the same Earth that Klaus was from, but rather a parallel universe. The 'Sumarians' who were alluded to possibly being the ancestors orf these Earthlings that appeared so long ago, though, I believe were castaways that were displaced from Klaus's Earth. In other words, the people of 'Earth' were not descendants of the Sumarians at all, but rather a race that evolved on a parallel version of earth in the same way as the 'Sumarians' had. This is pure speculation but it all fits together nicely.
In first game he's a merciless yet lonely god who with simple curiosity changed the universe forever ...In another he's merciless only to himself and wants to make everything right but feels like he did not do good enough... Man that's just sad.....Shows that we are always humans at a heart and nothing more....
Ontos triggered a space-time event and disappeared. The Monado has the power to disrupt space and time and was used to create Shulk’s world. Alvis, the True Monado, once referred to himself as an Administrative Computer. Interesting choice of words. Could Alvis and the Monado be Ontos?
well he never created them but the Conduit opened up a gateway to the alternate universe (Shulks world), he just remade the world in his current universe to try and bring back humanity while his other half was given godlike powers over the alternate universe via the Conduit.
I like how Zanza and Architect represent Klaus' two sides. Zanza was full of himself and is willing to kill people within the world he created just so he himself can live. Meanwhile, Architect felt remorse for destroying Earth and the universe itself because of the conduit, so he created his universe and life to atone, knowing his end will come soon thanks to Shulk killing Zanza.
I thought the only Adam Howden had in this game (before the dlc) was the quick cameo where they reused his voice during the final battle. Then I remember he also voiced Klaus, AKA the architect
When Klaus said his other half is dying, means Shulk and his buddies in Xenoblade 1 are already very close to defeat Zanza. That's an excellent writing there..
Poor Klaus first he lost his faith in humanity because of countless wars and so he tried to make a difference that will change the ways of humanity yet it costed him everything that he has: His life, his half body and for the worst the only woman who can understand him and he was forced to carry his guilt for thousands of years until the death of Zanza by the hands of Shulk.
Klaus is such an interesting figure in Xenoblades. A man ruined by despair and pain of his original world. Wanting nothing for mankind to evolve and reconnect to itself and the world, thinking that he through the Conduit alone in some blind irrational and unemphatic moment of insanity. A man forced to pay for the sins of not only his own reckless and insane actions, but for the sins of hubris and despair that of mankind by wasting away as two separate entities tasked with reforging the world they destroyed. One spent living an eternal life as an insane and arrogant and all powerful god desperate for emotional connection with others but never getting it back as his creations flee from his own grasp and though his own emotional turmoil build a world that were slaves to him, and another a slowly rotting corpse of a creator forced to live with the haunting realization that he screwed the world and in desperation sought to fix his mistakes and build anew that is more logically planned out only to realize that mankind still followed the same path as he did forcing him to self-loath and give into despair and become reclusive as he watched the world cave into entropy. It was only thanks to Shulk and friends and Rex and friends did both halves finally served their purpose and were finally brought to peace they so needed. It is through them that finally mankind was able to overcome their past sins and begin the long haul to finally mature and achieve their next state in evolution. It's the same long haul that now Noah and Mio and friends continue in their game. To finally give a chance for mankind to step out of the dark and finally become a potentially wiser, more mature species. One that is more empathetic and reasonable and understanding of not only itself but to each other and other beings, and one that is hopeful. Able to handle stuff like the conduit.
The beginning of this cutscene is probably my favourite part of the entire game. Because his thoughts and emotions just get crashed together and he doesn't know what to do as the thing he was looking for is gone. But with his strive to continue he just burns himself even more. Really sad.
At the end of it all, I can really feel for Klaus. It was his own fault to what happened, his desire for knowledge, to go beyond where humanity was never supposed to be. And then also being pressured by the invaders. He got what he wanted, and in the end, he regretted everything. Forcing himself to stay alive for Millenia, watching how the world formed anew in the lonely silence of what once was Elysium. He got a taste what it meant to be a god, creating and then leaving the world to itself, ever evolving and changing. And during that time, he might have always seen what happened on the other side, how life formed on Bionis and Mechonis. Despite him being so calm all the time, I cannot imagine how brutal it must have felt when Zanza struck Meyneth down... It made me think what could have transpired had Zanza and Klaus one final conversation before both vanished from existence. ...I am going to put that on paper right now... Granted I did not really like Xenoblade 2 for Tropes, Gacha and the gameplay explanations having been all over the place for me. I felt a bit like it had an identity crisis before the story really picked up the pace. Buuuuut now that I have played through the story of the first one again and currently leveling in Future Connected, I not only began to appreciate the gameplay of 2 thanks to some very good tutorials online, but my opinion on the Gacha pretty much went down the drain when I saw someone play through the game with mostly a common blade. Once I am done with that, I'll finish Torna first and then give 2 another try.
Common blades are not all bad they are useful for many things like adding up levels to field skills that are underdeveloped, merc missions etc. The game is almost perfectly built so you can playthrough it with any of the blades you get.
So let me get this straight xenoblade 2 is the orginal universe and Xenoblade 1 the world Klaus created and they both move at the same time AKA they both fight their final boss at the same time.
The parallel between the Architect and Zanza is just so incredible. The Architect regretted his actions and found them foolish, while wanting death as a way to escape his suffering. On the other hand, Zanza is arrogant, believing everything he did was right and that eternal life as a God would rule the world.
This is one of the things I loved the most of Xenoblade 2. One of the few things I HATED of the first Xenoblade was Zanza, the main antagonist. A fucking moron who wants to destroy everything "cause why not". Thanks to this we finally learn his reasons. Basically the Zanza of the first game's world is just an empty shell unable to feel emotions, and his part that can feel them is in the world of the second game. They made one of the worst villains ever understandable in his reasons. Well done Monolith Soft.
It's more the other way around. Zanza follow no logic. Just raw desire and emotion. Wiping the world out on a whim. The architect however. Is much more logical. Maybe even a little cold.
That beginning scene in the cabin was just... I feel like you want to smile because out of context it's a nice moment, but knowing what you do you're just stuck there grimacing and waiting. Or that's how I was feeling.
Wait woah so they changed Alvis' key necklace in Xenoblade Chronicles DE to look like one of the Trinity Processor's cores. So does that essentially confirm that Alvis is Ontos? I had never put 2 and 2 together until just now (probably because I just beat Xenoblade Chronicles for the first time today lol).
Man, my boy Rex went through the lowest low in his life, and he *still* thanked his creator for giving him life. You could see the look on Klaus's face just how much that impacted him. IT'S SUCH A POWERFUL SCENE!!!
When a person loses something, they can it help but seek a reason why. Within themselves, or in others... They seek a concrete answer to the question of who they really are, deep inside. Such a very lonely existence... But perhaps that is what it is to be human...
8:14 ... So... this pretty much confirms Xenosaga and Xenoblade are linked then, because there's no way that's not the Zohar right there. Which means, when the Zohar phase shifts away in Xenosaga 3, that is where is goes, to Klaus' original universe. Now if only I could find some way to get Xenogears in to some of this action, that would be the best orgy ever...
PlusOneGamer no, ever since Nintendo bought them, they lost rights to that series because it was published by namco, so it has the rights I dunno how they got KOS MOS though
Hahaha😁, now that orgy stuff kinda got my curiosity piqued....seriously though, if you read the timelines of the previous xeno series games, you'll see that Klaus experiment on the conduit or Zohar already parallels much of the backstory of the previous Xeno games. In the Gears and Saga timelines, there was also a scientist who experimented on the Zohar to ascend humanity to a higher plane of existence, when it was first discovered or appeared on earth in the era of 20XX, also about the same time as Klaus's experiment. The scientists were not specifically named Klaus, but the similarities are there just the same. And in both timelines the experiment failed, with the earth being destroyed in the Gears timeline, I think. While in Saga, earth disappeared to a differently dimension entirely. This is where the Xenoblade timeline deviates from the older games. Since Klaus was successful, or partially successful with the Zohar experiment, and was able to ascend ( not with humanity though, and just with galea) to a higher plane and create the universe of XC1 becoming a God. And just partially, since we see in XC2 that only half of him ascended, and left his other half, his mortal form and much of his humanity behind, along with destroying his old world ( just like what happened to earth in older xenogames) the difference here though is instead of just one planet, a whole universe was destroyed ( but not gone). Because of guilt and to seek redemption, his mortal half, since he still ages, and the only reason he lived for so long is because of the connection between him and his God half, and his contact with the Zohar, made the XC2 universe to atone for his massive blunder.
from the feels of it the Wave Existance can not for some unknown reasons catch a break huh... disappear in xenogears after 10000 years of wanting to go back to its original dimension only to end up in Xenoblade
god damn... klaus looks utterly dried up. and he sounds so sad. it's horrifying and weirdly heartbreaking seeing him like this when you compare how his other half had existed.
@@rafaynoman1180 Hoo boy. I will not retell the whole story of Xenogears, because it's not important. Anyway, in that game, you eventually learn that, more then ten thousand years prior to the games plot, humanity created a infinitely poweful engine called the Zohar. The engine was so powerful it dragged something called the "Wave Existence" from it's plane of, well, existance to power itself. This being is something akin to God (or is it?). Overall the whole thing (and how similar the Zohar and the Conduit look) makes it likely that the later was also powered by the same being.
@@LeocaprioDinardo The Wave Existance is an important character in the plot of Xenogears. As far as I remember the Zohar is destroyed at the end, so it can go back to where it came from.
And pretty sure Fiora's chest piece on her mecha body is supposed to look like the trinity processor. Thats no coincidence given her connection both in xbc1 and by extension xbc2
yeah zanza is essentially negative parts of klaus' mind after he messed with the conduit where as this version is the good parts of klaus and the guilt he felt for causing this catastrophe
Maybe Galea half which is Meyneth, exists in the world of Xenoblade 1, while her other "true" half exist in a another dimension in which the true Galea exists as the same way as Klaus. Maybe a future Xenoblade title, which could be Xenoblade 3, might tell us about it.
Now I want to see a DLC even if non cannon where you are able to fight Xenoblade Chronicles 1 Zanza in its entirety in the fighting style of that game.
If you want to know more about the conduit play Xenogears and Xenosaga, the zohar is basically the conduit but they couldn't name it zohar because of copyrigth issues
I love this cutscene but one thing doesn’t get resolved and it really bothers me... Zanza (Klaus) said he might be able to see meyneth (Galea), but that is never addressed for the rest of the game. Nothing ever happens relating to this line and I want to know if any of you have picked up on anything I’ve missed...
Klaus states, "Perhaps I will be able to face you again... Galea..." Face her, as though he was too ashamed to face her before. He knows that he will be gone soon, so I think it's safe to assume that he's talking about the afterlife. He's been remorseful this whole time, trying to atone for the destruction of the world. When Rex thanks The Architect for giving them all life, he seems to have a glimmer of hope. There is this realization that he may have redeemed himself, and that if there is an afterlife, he may be able to face Galea once again.
So this is the original Klaus who we saw in the flashback in Xenoblade 1? This is also Zanza? And this is what was left of Klaus after he activated the computer on the space station?
Okay one thing that pissed me off is that they dont really explain what the Trinity Processor is. Is it a computer or is a collection of super computers used during Klaus' experiment? I assume the cores are used to power it. Does anyone have an idea as to what exactly it is?
I think Klaus purposely left his body in the state it's in as a form of repentance. Zanza reformed his body immediately, using the ether generated from his creations, and when he saw a similar being before him, attempted to kill her and her creations. Alvis is part of the *Trinity* Processor, alongside the violent Malos and the simpleton Mythra - or rather Logos and Pneuma respectively.
There is a theory going around that mr. spoiler machine boy from xenoblade 1 is ontos, and I would be on board with it except for 1 thing. Ontos was the one who triggered the space time transition event that shot him into another dimension, not Klaus. Ontos did this after the Big Bang event.
7:18 , “a struggle for survival, that dwarfed this current predicament” I could see this former world at war that Klaus mentions as part of the plot for xenoblade 3, I don’t know how I would feel about this story though, I would really prefer a true continuation to xenoblade 1, with an even bigger enemy rather than a prequel… luckily, there seems to be a bigger threat than even Zanza or Malos that could be a villain for xenoblade 3 that Xenoblade 2’s story is setting up… 10:39, “retribution from on high, for the sin I have committed” The story itself sees this “on high” concept as important as Rex acknowledges it for a bit before Klaus changes the subject. Could this “on high” being be responsible for the Conduit’s existence or is it an even worse power? Klaus could just be metaphoric in his speech but in storytelling, nothing should be coincidental, every line should be important to the plot and this line Klaus says could be a foreshadowing of a future antagonist, perhaps Shulk has to deal with this new threat in xenoblade 3, a thing far more powerful than Zanza or Malos, with a goal that could potentially have started before Xenoblade 1, on former earth, which that goal would have been what caused the war Klaus mentions briefly. Thoughts on this? Do you agree? Disagree? Do you have your own predictions?
So when Rex was having this nightmare of sorts... everyone except Pyra and Mythra blamed him for something he did. Did the other people present experience a different scenario where f.e. Morag deserts Mor Ardain or something, or was it all in the same nightmare?
As Klaus said, he just wanted to see what was in their mind. And Rex was basically blaming himself for everything bad that happened on the trip after seeing that "Elysium" was uninhabitable.
So does this mean half of Galea is in some other dimension? Klaus and Zanza exist as a pair, I assume Mayneth's presence in Xenoblade 1 means Galea is still alive somewhere too. Or at least until Mayneth was killed by Zanza.
Probably, I mean, if Klaus has a half of Zanza that exists as a god in Xenoblade 1, Galea has one too as Meyneth, so she may exist as one in a another dimension as it's own Architect. But we'll have to wait for a future Xenoblade game to get the answers.
There’s a part before this scene where you face a monster called infernal guldo. You get an ID card from a human that it used to be. The ID card is the same one that galea has in the cut scenes showing flashbacks, when she’s still human. Some say it’s just a reused texture though.
17:30 Why game? Why do you have to keep reminding me that this happened? After playing the DLC, I die a little every time I'm reminded of this. What's even worse is the fact that this is the last we get to see Lora. Why couldn't it have been at 14:21?
