Im not surprised by this video at all, LGA 3647 still has not been retired in most data centers, and as we all know, intel really didnt go anywhere with 14nm after broadwell/skylake. Threadripper, EPYC are much better investments for the average person if they need the core count for their workloads, otherwise go with a more modern consumer socket.
@@Miyconst By the time LGA 3647 prices go down i think it will be too slow, most stuff isnt retired until 5-10 years after purchase, so alot of LGA 3647 still has years left.
The first servers are hitting the market though. I bought two 4-node Quanta T4S last week for 150€ a piece. Some Xeons are also quite cheap, even the Gold 6132, 6138 and 6142. The second generation is still massively expensice though.
@@98LuckyLuk Yea, some skylake ones are on the market, but i would not touch quanta stuff with a 10 ft pole, locked down garbage and they remove alot of their documentation whens it goes eol.
Thank you for the review, so that I can stop thinking about them. Holding on to my 2697 v3. The result is about my expectation. Intel was really struggling with their 14nm process (14nm+++++😂). The performance hasn't improved much for years. The retired hardware will also follow this trend after 5-7 years of production use.
As a LGA 4189 platform owner, high power OEM SKU (or ES CPU), BIOS modding, Optane Memory (currently I'm having 4TB of RAM), TPM, VROC etc are appealing now. 😊 However, the MB itself has no more AliExpress magic and being expensive.
Long time no see. You're still awesome, so much details given from your video. I already retired the Xeon and started with small Ryzen 2700, so far so good :D
Not sure where us budget users will go next after X99, although to be fair I never expected the words "X99" and "budget" to be used in the same sentence! I thought that the LGA771-to-775 mod would be the last budget-friendly Xeons and everything after that would be unobtainable forever.
The situation is a bit different now. We still have alive AM4 platform with lots of budget motherboards and affordable CPUs so being a Xeon is very tough.
X299 boards on aliexpress is the same price as X399 motherboards and the cpus on ebay seem cheaper aswell. Im still happily gaming on my Rampage V extreme and E5-2697v3, maxes out my 3070 and all games run very smooth eitherway
Damn that's unfortunately expensive ! I guess I had great luck last month finding on ebay in my country for the same price as your Supermicro an Asus Pro WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI boxed with full accessories. I bought the cpu on ebay too, a Threadripper Pro 3975WX for 500€ (not a bargain price but not too bad), 4x32GB of RDIMM RAM for 70€ (ebay too, looking to find another 4 sticks to get octa-channel going) and a Noctua NH-U14S TR4-SP3 for 40€ in my town locally. 1050€ vs 910€. Of course my goal wasn't to game on this platform, I'm more of a homelab guy. Didn't know VAT in Sweden was like 5% higher than the rest of the EU, bad :( Great video btw ! Keep up the good work !
Did you disable Spectre & Meltdown Patches? I know cascadelake even get hit by 20% by L1TF allone or in youre context the latency goas up for Clearing the buffers.
I trow Like 4000 Intel Servers in 2020 of the Trash because i lost so much compute and Power and cooling. The Switch to epyc was cheaper when they we're new insted of a icelake system.
Awesome!!!! 😎 I'm glad you are reviewing the LGA-3647 platform. Can you test it's inferencing performance on LLM because those CPUs have Intel Deeplearning boost and AVX-512 with 2 FMA😊 Tanks.
@@Miyconst Llama 2 or maybe Llama 3 13B or 70B maybe larger if you have 128 GB of RAM. I just wanted to see how many tokens/sec. I want to build a cheap AI computer for inferencing different AI models and don't want to pay $10,000 for a GPU with enough VRAM that can do it, especially the larger model that requires more than 24 GB of VRAM.
also if the board has speed select . set it to 1 as it will prioritize the best cores and let them boost as high as possible even if they are all enabled
The boost frequency was never limited by core quality. It's limited by the number of active cores. For example in Assassin's Creed Mirage the working cores boost up to 3.6 GHz because there 4 or more idling cores, even if all 24 cores are enabled.
@@Miyconst I have an HP z8 G4 and a G5 . If I select speed select 1 . It boosts the cores being used to the highest frequency supported while dropping the other cores to 1200 mhz . And according to the documents . I meant to say active cores lol not best . Darn autocorrect
Thank you for the test thank you so much it's because of you Im currently running hp z440 with e5 1607 V3 32GB ram ddr4 2666 gtx 780 and tomorrow I'm gonna collect my e5 2670 V3 to upgrade my CPU I upgraded bois today to latest thanks to you bro❤🎉
Miycon, wherever you take your channel, we are here for it. Regarding your motorcycle dreams, when I lived in a different city, I had a lot of biker friends. Soooo many of these friends were in serious accidents. My best friend's brother had one of his legs ripped off. Very many tragic stories. And in every example, it was not the fault of the biker. They were very safe. It was always some careless driver in a car. And that was 25-30 years ago. It is worse now. There are way more stupid people driving who are not even remotely responsible. Two blocks from my current residence, a girl killed a delivery driver on his scooter (like Vespa) because she was on her phone. You are a husband and a father. With a motorcycle, you have no protection. In my opinion, that is all, just my opinion, I think that for your family, you should not drive a motorcycle. This is just one more way that you can try to protect your family. Not for you. But for them. I used to ride. I loved it and I am certain that I would love it still. But some things we sacrifice for our family. That's all. I won't bother you about it any more. Slava Ukraini!
I think Epyc makes much more sense for a 2011 successor. For a similar price to LGA 3647, Rome really outperforms any 14nm intel. I almost planned to upgrade to that platform myself, but have too many computers as-is.
Wow This is incredible and unbeliveable and I am totaly utterly completely surprised because me too I got a Intel S2600STBR motherboard C624 LGA 3647 from germany months ago which cost me Order date: 05 Nov, 2023 Order total: EUR 313.28, I am eagerly waiting for you review about that mobo please, thank you a lot, so far the only problem with that mobo is because I am not yet able to sort out the dual NIC internel ports are not working
Thanks for the good info. I think I'll wait on purchaing any cascade lake ewaste for now since it's not much better than the large pile of skylakex/ broadwell ep ewaste I now have.
Thanks for the review and information, it seems a better investment into 2nd/3rd gen Threadripper or 1st/2nd Gen of Epyc (of course depending on the region and local prices) overall or even going 3rd gen of Ryzen 7 or 9 if you need a higher number of cores in the aspect that wants still modern and with lower bill power.
I would avoid first and second get Threadripper. The memory compatibility is very bad, the latency is very high, no ECC REG support, no upgrade path, and personally I had lots of driver related instabilities. About EPYC I can't say much but wild guess would be to avoid 1/2gen as well. Ryzen 7/9 3gen is a good option if you don't need lots of RAM/PCI-E.
@@Miyconst Thanks for the extra info, from level1techs I saw some benchmarks from 2nd gen EPYC and overall they holding well and saw at ebay already cheap almost equals to XEON of 2011/2011-V3 but as usual the MB prices still kinda high
Oh wow. I thought Xeon E5 up to V4 were efficient on its era. Intel Xeon Gold might be slightly more efficient but the power consumption is a big problem for average air cooler. 😢 I can simply cool down Xeon E5-2699v3 Turbo Unlocked with $9 cooler and still enjoy a relatively cool temperature.
Dang maybe couple more years till this cpu price goes down Ey mate, i got question on ur e5 v3 unlock turbo boost video, what is that for? Unlock multipliers for overclock? Or unlock normal turbo boost E.g Can i reach 3,5gz from 2,6ghz on 2690v3 without doing any of that tweaks? Or I'll stuck on 2.6ghz
Hey Miyconst, I was wondering if you will review the new Jginyue AM5 motherboards. They look promising but yet to see any deep technical reviews on them yet
Hi. If you are talking about JginYue B650i Might Devil motherboard then I have no plans in testing it unless they rename it, I have more than enough evil in my life and not interested in promoting or endorsing such names.
@@Miyconst I am interested in the JGINYUE B650M GAMING PLUS. It's a visually good looking matx board but the ram limitations and io make it seem a bit sus. I've seen it on the Jginyue website and aliexpress but can't find any written or video reviews on it.
Totally agreed even for servers when you compare the current price of 2011v3 platforms that can already fulfill a lot of uses cases, LGA3647 is between 5x to 10x more expensive, sure there might be some specific uses cases but it is on a weird spot between those extremely cheap platforms and modern platforms for raw power/efficiency that cost about the same...
Well.. it really depends on the use case. If you are fine with lower clocked Xeons then the prices are going down very quickly. Also possible to pick used Dell T7820 or similar. My case is an extreme example because I wanted highly clocked Xeon with lots of cores at the same time. I plan to test two 6148 against two E5-2697A V4.
@@Miyconst As comparison I got a 2x2690v3/32gb ram server (no storage incl) for less than 150euros delivered so its hard to compete with this kind of price but I will track the prices of LGA3647, I have a feeling in a year or two this will make much more sense when the price goes down. Anyway I am glad that you plan to make more videos about it because it is hard to get that kind of information and with such quality and details It is just incredible!
whats up with the cache bandwidth? is that scaling normal when you turn off smt? i find it counterintuitive - tho it's not something ive ever tested myself
I plan to make another productivity focused video with Machinist X99-D8 versus Intel S2600ST. Do you have any predefined X264/265 benchmarks to recommend?
@@Miyconst Handbrake is a good start since may people use it for various reasons. Also Blender for rendering one of the default benchmark scenes they have.
@@MirceaPrunaru Blender is available in this video, Handbrake is good but I found that performance varies a lot with different presets and input, so I need something standardized to be able to compare scores with others.
@@Miyconst I wrote a longer a comment earlier, but youtube seems to have deleted it, probably because it contained a link (sigh...). Anyways, the best h264/h265 benchmarks I'm aware can be found on a blog that I apparently can't link to, but just look up "The GAT at XIN" and you'll find it. He has both guides on how to install the benchmark software on just about any OS and even a compiled list of results from various peoples hardware configurations.
Thanks for the content, I am looking for a dual cpu high cores cpus for muti core performance that has most value for money in range of 800$ for cpu,motherboard and rams, what cpu do you recommend ?
It really depends on your needs because dual socket setup is not required and after harmful for performance. If you don't need lots of RAM and/or PCI-E lanes, then Ryzen 5900/5950/7700/7900 are the way to go. If you want something from Xeons then Dell T7810 and T7820 workstations can be found for cheap. Machinist X99-D8 could be an option for two E5 V4, and Intel S2600 can be found for under €300 if you want LGA 3647.
@@Miyconst Take 5, mostly out of curiosity at this point since I'm definitely wasting my time here, I kept trying to reply your and @MirceaPrunaru comment chain about h264/h265 benchmarks, but every single time my replies got seemingly auto deleted by youtube. It's not linking and I don't think I mentioned any keywords youtube would censure so whole thing is a bit of a ongoing mystery. What I kept trying to say was this. At GrandAdmiralThrawns technology welog, you'll find really good benchmarks for both h264&h265 alongside compiled results from different users and he's also got software installation guides. Let's see if this get's deleted as well...
CPUs really have come a long way. We have these Xeons struggling against a R5 5600 in gaming workloads. That's wild! I have a 5600X, 9900k, 7700X, and 7800X3D at my house so I'm a little spoiled 😅
Not that surprising actually. These server CPU were designed for large scale server applications. Gaming is really not their intended use. The server CPUs, especially the C610/X99 platforms, really shines for productivity works. If you need a render farm or compile farm, they are still the way to go. Good multi thread performance, rock solid stability. Just remember to turn it off when not in use. I'm a software engineer and I have a dual socket Dell 7810 for non-job works. It has been rocking fast to compile large projects. Almost matches the experience of employer-offered HP workstation with i9-12900k.
for gaming, yeah not great. but for doing houdini simulations.... those 6138 20 core 40 thread cpus going for 30$ and 16gb sticks of ram going for 1$ a gig, its an awesome setup for simulations. if you get one of the old workstation/server chassis that has tons of u.2 nvme backplanes, it doubles as a massive storage system with easy to swap caddies. it is definitely an odd ball system, most people wont benefit from them (probably why they are so cheap online, recyclers are desperate to get them out of storage lol_)
The L2 cache is individual per each core, L3 is shared among cores. At least for gaming, L3 matters the most because a few cores get access to a large cache pool.
@@Miyconst that's true . I will say coming from an x99 system . Moving to cascade lake was a huge improvement but the. Again the z8 g4 and the sapphire rapids G5 are different beasts then the super micro . Oh hey there is a thread I follow where we are working on getting the 210 and 240 watt CPUs working on these OEM platforms
That's a good question but I don't think it's happening anytime soon. The "almighty" emperor xi is more important than technology for them so the sanctions choke the development.
There are Noctua options that are cheaper but according to BIOS-iEngineer these giant Xeons are very temperature sensitive, thus I wanted to make that the benchmarks are correct and CPU is not thermally throttled.
@@Miyconst there are $60 Thermalright 360mm AIOs that are very good, but idk if they have a mount for this socket. Maybe a metal worker can adapt it and you still end up cheaper.
Old xeons without too many cores (so they boost higher) are great for building well performing storage boxes when you want ECC but that's about it. Not worth it over consumer hardware
The only way to get into this platform at a reasonable price is to buy an OEM machine, and the big three decided to use proprietary board designs to prevent people from using the innards in their own personal setups.
Well.. these OEMs locked the BIOS and CPU support to the absolute minimum I wouldn't be able to even enable Resizable Bar not to mention 6268CL compatibility.
