XGIMI Horizon Ultra vs Hisense C1 vs Nomvdic P1000. I Can Never Go Back... 

Awesome review - as always Rob TY. Looking fwd to your Nomadic calibrations. Fwiw-2 lil felt bumpers under handle over magnets quieted mine couple dbs. Still weird buzz instead of fan whir but a bit better. Could the usb-c input which shows same frame rates as the hdmi input be used with an adapter as a second input for Firestick? Find it Easy getting used to blacks and contrast 😊

Hello, I was thinking of buying the xgimi ultra, but the contrast and brightness disappointed me. But the fact that the fan is very quiet, good colors, design and the optical zoom make it quite attractive. With the update were you able to improve any aspect of the image? Is something noticeable or was it just the longer response time you mentioned. I hope you can answer my question

@@pantojachavarriadavid2766 To my knowledge it is not possible to increase contrast ratio via a software update.

Hi Rob, great review. Do you know if the 18.3ms Input Lag is still achievable when keystone correction is used? Thanks

@Ginnerhur No, game modes are with no keystone

Nah man now it’s hard, I gotta figure out what’s important for my needs instead of a paid RU-vidr just telling me which one I should buy

I bought a XGIMI Horizon Ultra, and will be returning it. His review here is dead on accurate. The XGIMI's muddy blacks just ruins the projector - but it does have excellent 3D and sound. Anywho, this guy has a ton of credibility with me after seeing this and comparing it to what I got. Even the recommended brightness setting is exactly what I set mine to without seeing this first. The paid shill RU-vidrs out there saying this projector is amazing and the black levels are great, they have no credibility.

Seriously!!! 😂😂😂 He is Paid to make these videos. Nothing he is doing I would consider Working. His conclusions are laughable. You watched a paid advertisement.

@@JesusSavesSinners Sounds like someone has buyer's remorse and it's too late to return it 😢

All of those projectors will be included. October 13th is the planned release date.

@@TheHookUp Just a quick question regarding the Nexigo Aurora Pro (their kickstarter runs out before October 13th). Is laser speckle a thing with those kind of UST projectors too? their kickstarter pricing seems very tempting but it's still a lot of money...

@@peterpepepedroLaser speckle is a much smaller issue with USTs due to the smaller throw distance, and I've also found that UST specific CLR screens tend to minimize speckle.

Low gain screens will reduce both the max luminance and the black floor.

What issues would you have run into? Have had the C1 for a few weeks and love it.

I needed a projector with less lag. The C1 would have been ok for casual gaming, but I am a little more on the competitive side of things. @@hjahja

The C1 Pro has 3D. Also higher brightness, contrast and color gamut. Unfortunately, the only reviews out there are in Chinese and I find their testing methodology questionable.

@@Stargaze79 well they don't sell it in the US, and I wouldn't spend $1800 on something from Aliexpress. Hopefully they bring it to the US through major stores like Amazon or Best Buy, but there's no reason this US version of the C1 can't support 3D, they just removed it to remove it because it's the trendy thing to do. It's really lame.

Man! And I wanted so much to buy this projector for 3d. And decent 2d experience... Now reading you're comment, I'm ruined my plan😢😂 And I don't know what projector to chose anymore. Did you try to different manual settings on contrast... Something I don't know...? I don't care about how acurate is the scene... The point is that image to look good, cinematic. My QLED tv display washed out black levels on PC HDMI so I always I set from driver -10 brigetness and +25 contrast, and the image become balanced. To native tv image. I'm at first video projector. And I wanted for 3d. For normal viewing experience I don't care if I had to tweak some settings.

@@mortalaxe122 So I messed around with this thing extensively, and I will say I got much better results after going menu by menu, turning on local contrast to high, dynamic contrast to on, and brightness never to higher than 6 - but generally on 5. However, there's also an issue if you use dynamic contrast and a brightness of 4 or less, that you get really odd results that look a lot worse. One thing I didn't figure out for a while, is that when Dolby Vision is enabled, you can go in and still tweak the settings - by default it's way too blown out and it's not obvious you can change anything since it's settings are under a different menu. Anyways, with that said, after really messing with all the settings, I got what I think is an acceptable black level out of it, but it's still pretty bad in my opinion - but the daytime scenes of anything new in 4K Dolby Vision just look insane once I got in there and tweaked everything. So I ended up keeping it, but really it came down to the very last day, and frankly I didn't feel like going through the return process and hooking my old projector up again, etc. I'm using this in a small dedicated theater room with a screen - if you're using it in a bedroom or a place with more ambient light, or you're just not that picky, it might be a lot more acceptable. Personally, if I had to do it over again, I'd probably have just waited another 6-months and see what is new that is coming out. Also, Best Buy has a $1999 TV, with local dimming, that is 100" with free on-wall installation - and it has Dolby Vision, all the latest and greatest. Really, I'd probably buy that, except for me personally, using a TV as a theater screen just doesn't look right, it looks like you're looking at a TV as opposed to theater - but most people don't seem to think that's an issue. Anyways, for other people that aren't me, I'd almost certainly go with the 100" TV - and for me, I only have a 94" theater screen, so it'd actually be bigger. But I have a very dark theater room - if you're doing something in an area with any sort of light leakage, I'd absolutely get the TV which will be much much brighter than even a high end projector.

I'm in Australia and unfortunately the only one available was the ultra, it's not so bad... Dolby vision with an ALR screen GREATLY helps the blacks along with the latest firmware

I saw a lot of questionable reviews from people who did not take any measurements.

@@TheHookUp - That seems to be the RU-vid standard. Get the projector, read the spec sheet, call it a review. I don't trust those powder puff pieces in the least. The headache is that they spent SOME time with the projector and could have taken at least some basic measurements with some cheap tools, but they failed to do so. Keep rockin' it man!

hm he still says the xgimi is good, but in dark seens it is bad. Which for instance doesnt bother me as I only watch soccer and I would game on it. So still best choice for me f.example @@paulvail7926

Love the X5, definitely putting it back up on the bedroom ceiling mount today!

Just finished messing around with my X5 using the limited picture controls. I was able to get it REALLY close to calibrated with these settings: www.patreon.com/posts/89367680

Same here! I just got my Ultra last week and was blown away by it's brightness and sharpness. I love the optical zoom and the sliding door. Great 3D also. I thought the contrast was fine. It can be adjusted under the hdr setting to strong. Yes, I wish the black level is better but it can be improved by lowering the iris. It was defaulted to 8 but I lowered it to 3 and 4. This projector is super quiet too! Much quieter than my Epson 5050ub which I had

@@francismedina4547. How does it compare to your old 5050?

I returned my Dangbei Mars Pro to get the Xgimi HORIZON Ultra, and I am regretting it. The image clarity and brightness does not compare.

@@D_H_F That sucks. Man, I’ve been eyeing the ultra up but it seems like it’s not that good. Seems like the c1 is the one to get

@@ryaneckel5601 I don't think any of these projectors are a bad option except maybe the laser speckle issue, that's just not a problem I want to work with. even in his videos, they are so close that it would come down to features and prices. I can find stuff on the C1 I don't think I will like... and I could not see any reason to want a different model. The X5 was my original wanted item but the chinese OS and lack of adjustability, no 3d, and now the lack of accuracy. All considered... I can actually tell the difference between that one and the others.

Would you recommend the JMGO Ultra at present?

@@wahidemran833 I would. But I lack the comparison to most of the other projectors in this video. I only have the Horizon Ultra which is also quite good but not as bright and versatile and a bit louder regarding fan noise.

@verficationaccount thanks, i just ordered one from Aliexpress, i also have no comparison except an old outdated bulb projector so im sure im going to like it. One quick question, is it as sharp as a 4k 55 inch tv (not to get specific)?

@@wahidemran833 It is very sharp and 4k does look good. I don't have a TV but I would not think that it is less sharp. Let me know what you think about it when it arrives!

@verficationaccount sure i will do. I have to wait a month due to Chinese celebrations. Now i got to plan my living room, whether to paint it grey and get a white screen or all white... whats your set up?

I returned my Dangbei Mars Pro to get the Xgimi HORIZON Ultra, and I am regretting it. The image clarity and brightness does not compare.

​@@D_H_F How about 3d, Is Dangbei good as Xgimi? Cuz I want to buy horizon ultra for 3d. But Dangbei is second on my list because has good contrast and sharp image. But the decisive factor is 3d. So... The Dangbei is closer to horizon ultra?

I only guess that IS missing a side by side comparison tween c1 and X5, that Would be the Winner and Second Winner 😒

Comment your result plz!

SO? what about the result ? Did you test the LS1000 vs the C1 ? Thank you.

Oh yes, update please, very interested

Any update on this? I’m even just considering the 4010 over the c1. Lack of brightness and no optical zoom are making it a hard sell.

@@dafritz7acx I kept the C1! I liked the image quality (sharpness, color) better than the Epson, as well as the polished UI, the remote, the build quality...lots of positives with the C1! Good luck!

Hmm, I checked the TI datasheet on it and it said 2x shift, where are you seeing 4x? It does support 1080p240hz but the Leo Bodnar lag tester can't measure that resolution (or 4k120hz).

@@TheHookUp The 1080p DLP650TE has to shift 4x per frame in order to create a 4k-like image. It is outlined on page 7.1 in the datasheet "...enables each micromirror to display four distinct pixels on the screen during every frame...". There is also a 0.66" model which is higher resolution and only needs 2x shift for 4k.

Well damn, I must have clicked on the wrong friggin data sheet. Ugh, guess I'll have to pin a comment.

@@TheHookUp It happens :). Awesome review otherwise though! Appreciate the detail and I really like comparisons with other projectors - so many reviews out there with no comparisons these days (It's great, etc.).

The Hisense audio is also very good. I would have no issue using it without external speakers.

I'm considering getting either one of these, C1 would be the clear winner at same budget but here in Europe it's 300 euro more expensive. can you tell if the C1 image quality that much better?

Have you got ur projector?😊

The Hisense machines seem to consistently blow the competition out of the Box in light controlled room conditions. But Damn, damn, damn them for not including 3D.

@@brucesmith1754 but in chinese version they put 3D. I guess when they updating the firmware to Dolby Vision, it loses 3D. Wich make no sense to me att all.

@@TungNguyenThanh-fd3hy yep

Do you know if it´s possible to install the Hisense C1 Firmware (OS) with dolby vision on the Vidda C1S?

@@Serujiro i answered your question on my channel 👊🏻🙌🏻

The only thing those big boys have is major black floors (contrast) hell if the N1 Ultra or Hisense had a .003 black floor they would never sell Jvc, Sony or big boy epsons of course optical len's shift is a plus but come on the colors these 2 represent with close contrast numbers, thousands less, a quarter of the size and portable it's kind of a no brainer.. Unless your a complete enthusiast and have a quarter million dollar home theater and your screen costs nearly as much as your projector and your speakers cost more than both of those combined

Agree, I'm on my second (and probably last) lamp on an Epson TW3200 (think it is identical to HC8350) here and was looking to get a TW9400 for superior black levels and contrast. And 2.1x zoom and good lens shift from the back ceiling. 100" in a medium living room is very important for the whole family 😊 Nut now, these laser ones looks to be in the ball park so I guess I have to read up on how close the come (do they surpass my 10 year old TW3200 in accuracy and black levels?).

@@NirreFirre yes n1u blows 3200 out of the water and with the new portability features these new pjs. I have a benq 2050a and a hisense px1 pro ust and it's great but the n1 ultra is brighter than anything I've owned to the point you have to turn it down at night and when calibration is dialed in colors and contrast is amazing. I get no speckle from my wall since I'm not using a screen and higher gain screen don't either ... Hisesne beats it with Dolby Vision and some color depth but hisense doesn't have 3d and the gaming input lag is terrible... but if you wait 6 months like with anything in life there will be a better jmgo n2 ultra or 3 or 4 coming probably with Dolby Vision and more bells ans whistles

The Hisense C1 would be a huge upgrade from the VPL285. Similar brightness (though the laser will seem brighter), and massively better color on the Hisense.

@@TheHookUp that’s kinda what I was thinking. I know the VPL285 is about 5 years old and the technology has gotten better by leaps and bounds, for the price do you think the C1 or should I spend a more on a Sony, JVC, or Epson? Just wanting the best quality for the price because I spend a lot of time in there

My gut tells me you will be absolutely blown away by the C1 compared to your Sony.

@@TheHookUp thanks I’ll go ahead order one!

The 4550i is a gaming powerhouse. If that is even a small concern of yours you should stick with the BENQ.

@@TheHookUp Thank you for that. I appreciate all the amazing videos and help. Not just for buying help my I always enjoying seeing new products and how they perform. Great video and content as always

​@guiltynessness8926 Yes the HT4550I is an amazing projector, BenQ did a great job, I love mine.!

@JoelsterG Glad to hear it. Did you find the blacks to be decent? I did already watch your review before, but I'm just curious about your thoughts on that.

Vidda C1 pro is a brighter version with the Chinese OS that supports 3D but not DV. It will likely get an international release within the next 6 months. As far as keystone I would rank them: 1) jmgo 2) xgimi 3) hisense 4) formovie 5) nomvdic

@@TheHookUp Would you suspect that a brighter version of the c1 likely means worse black levels?

Very likely, yes.

@@TheHookUp Might go with the regular C1 then as I already have pitch black rooms to project in. Thanks for making this video on such a speedy timeframe! I don't know how you can afford buying these projectors for reviews (or whether the projector companies bend to your will when you ask them for their product) but you're doing god's work for us normal peeps.

While you’re right about playing around with settings The problem is that a projector that already had bad contrast ratio is still going to be not so good even after the adjustments If that was the case nobody would be buying the ultra expensive stuff Just buy the cheap stuff and make it look like the expensive stuff

Wait for the C2 Ultra.

I returned my Dangbei Mars Pro to get the Xgimi HORIZON Ultra, and I am regretting it. The image clarity and brightness does not compare.

In almost all cases I'd recommend using a streaming stick instead of the built in OS. Hisense C1 actually does have a decent and full featured OS in Vidda, but it's a rarity.

@@TheHookUp​​⁠I think it's at least worth comparing how well they auto-focus, auto-zoom, and auto-keystone, since you have to do that even if you use a streaming stick. Also, I think if you HAVE to use a stick for these sorts of projectors, then that should really count against them. I know some people prefer a streaming stick and it's usually needed for Netflix but they should be an all-in-one package and a great experience without having to add anything. I have an XGIMI Horizon and it absolutely CRUSHES this category except for not having Netflix. The smart features are very snappy and accurate, I think the best in the industry. ​​⁠It's also a very premium build quality, almost Apple product level. The software and hardware design make it feel like a well-rounded product and I think that's important. I'm so sad about the somewhat abysmal contrast and brightness on the Horizon Ultra because it's so good in every other area 😞

Working on getting the calibration values up as we speak.

@@TheHookUp That is an awesome addition to your already outstanding content. Thanks!

I have been following the JMGO since the kickstarter. I've been on their forums , with other users requesting the Dolby Vision firmware. The installed MediaTeck SoC chip has the capability to handle DV. I've heard a few desperate users currently using external processors like the HDFury to extract DV from streaming sources. The results may improve the image but the processing still converts to a rather static metadata configuration. If JMGO does THAT upgrade, I think It would be a game changer and a no brainer for the purchase decision. Good luck to us all.😁

@@brucesmith1754 That JMGO SoC is already being pushed to its max, zero chance it could handle DV on top of whatever they are doing with it. It lags just moving around Android 11 OS, and is choppy for 4K60 RU-vid playback.

@@TheHookUp Given that the installed SoC chip has, according to its specification, the capacity to process DV, would you think the N1 Ultra 4K could handle the processing of DV if used with an external streaming device instead of the embedded Android OS. I have also heard complaints about that OS throttling down the 4k streaming capabilities, but users report seeing improved performance when using an Apple/Firestick streaming device. Im really hoping for DV capabiltity in the JMGO.

That's pretty strange! I haven't heard any other reports of that, so for it to happen to you twice is crazy.

When the international version comes out I will definitely review it.

Will the C1 Pro version be available in Canada/US eventually? If so do you think I should return the C1 "global" I just purchased? I eventually want to use my C1 outdoor to project to at 120-150 inch screen. Any automated floor to ceiling of motorized screen you recommend for C1? Is there a base that comes C1 pro that American version doesn't? I saw on an Chinese review it has a tilting based attached to C1 Pro.