Some people lower bikes, to make it easier for them to touch the ground, but being that thier both Japanese bikes and Japanese people are naturally shorter and smaller, if they can manage the bike, than anyone should.
I'm 5'2 with a 28" inseam. My limit for seat height is about 32". Taller than that and I either need to find a way to get it lower, or just ride a different bike. When I see regular size people lowering their bikes, I'm always like, "What the fuck?"
@@roberts1677 Yeah I can only see people lowering them if its like a pretty tall dirt bike or wanting to make it into a supermoto with what they have. The only other reason would be for looks like a cruiser or something if they liked that (I don't like the looks of cruisers either way, so it doesn't matter to me, but I get some people like them like lowered cars, and cruisers are kind of the granny wagon of bikes so that makes sense).
@@roberts1677 as another person at 5'2", i've ridden on bikes with 835mm of seat height, a little over 32". Honestly they're alright and also perplexed why people much taller than me feel the need to lower them.. most of them say they need to flat foot the bikes and I just shake my head lol
I think of the R6 as a bike with two personalities. Friendly lower rpm for the street and screaming rpm for the track, or squidding. I kept my beginner bike, R6, below 8K for 1K miles for the break-in before I felt that second personality. It was quite a surprise when I got there. I decided it was probably best to keep it slow until I could get used to it.
totally right and I am the same case. When they say it's dead at low end its actually not, its as fast as r7 below 8k and then above 10k u have that lovely scream and load of power
You are the first guy I have heard speak about engaging your core. 12 years ago, I made the squid move and got a very low mileage 2004 636 (B2H). I put 70000km (about 43000 Miles) on it in 4 years and due to growing up riding horses as a show jumper, i kept my weight in my legs and engaged my core. NEVER got wrist pains (Though my back used to get sore and that back had a nasty habit of kicking you in the D1CK on sh1tty South African roads!) Thanks Yammie - Love the channel
A fellow south african, ive always thought of a adv or dual sport for our roads, just like to see sportbike stuff, they are jusy so cool, but i also feel that horses are better thsn anything to traverse South African roads XD
Absolutely spot on; the R6 is for someone who wants to take it on the track and see what the machine and they are capable of; while the kawasaki is for someone who is having a mid life crisis and wants a fast bike that is also somewhat easy to ride.
I call BS. I bought my 2021 636 not having a "midlife crisis" Where's your bike? I own a '21 636 and a '14 CBR1000RR. You're gonna try to tell me I bought that having another midlife crisis? No, I bought them for the love of supersports and are both better and more reliable than Yamaha.
Your correct. I own both and like riding both but they are a different experience and now my 636 is a stunt bike. Thinking about getting rid of the r6 for the r7 to make that a stunt bike
I have one i commute on. Yam hit the nail on the head, you have to be realistic and honest with the fact the bike won't be comfortable, and you need to use your core and your hips to hold yourself up. You will get sort of used to it and your endurance will increase, but it will never be comfortable.
@@benn1181 is there any way that you know how to make it SLIGHTLY more comfortable? Its my dream buke and im 6’3, I know that its never gonna be comfortable but is there any way to make it bearable?
@@50nic33you can get adjustable clip ons and adjustable foot pegs. You could even get those dirt bike handlebars like most stunters do. I have the adjustable pegs and dirt bike bars on my stunted zx6 and the riding position is stupid upright compared to my 21 zx6. Feels more like an mt07.
I saw a guy on Instagram put the 2019+ tail of a zx6r on a 2013-2018 zx6r. And it combined both styles and it looks gorgeous. Fits way better and it's honestly the most awesome looking 600.
Video was great, but I always like to hear more specifics that you like and dislike. For instance clutch feel, shifter feel, gauges layout. You mentioned the zx6r only having a gas light in one of the other videos but didn't mention the R6 having the same or not. I'm definitely interested to see the track video with a full height R6 vs zx6r, and maybe compare it to your Daytona (from what you can remember of your stock Daytona on track). Thanks
I dropped the front of my 18 636 4mm, raised the back 2mm (ohlins). She turns beautifully now!! I dropped the rear sets 3/4 of a inch and i ride all day no aches... i have 40k on mine....
Yes! 😆 Long story short. I live on a back road and when I heard a inline 4 motorcycle, it resonated with me. ZX-6R for the win 🏆 F#$%ing love that intro by the way!
Have a 2015 zx6r 30th anniversary...the 636 is well balanced for the tamed rider looking to commute to work or driving on track. Take mine to work sometimes and obviously weekend rides, it is a blast always.
I have a 15' too. Bought it with a flash tune, -1/+5 520 sprocket kit, quick shifter, full m4 exhaust, and stabilizer. It's my 2nd 636 and it frickin rips
I have a 2015 ZX 6R also after having two r6s. They all feel the same to me and I love them all. I like the fact they have the two headlights unlike the Suzukis. I’m sure I would love the cbr600 also.
I have an r6 I daily ride and commute 40 minutes to school, its not that bad.. R6 is a nice street bike because its fairly tame under 8k rpm and supersquid above 10k so you get the best of both worlds, to quote a famous philosopher.
250cc is probably a great delivery bike (Grom might even do excellent if its mostly city), but my 250cc enduro with knobby off-road tires still hit around 100 mpg (you could easily get over that even with 2 people riding if you were tame, I usually was not, so about 90 mpg was the worst you could get always being WOT everywhere). Its top speed left some to be desired though on the highway, with only 15.6 HP rating it topped out at barely over 75 mph so you had to be leaned in and throttle pegged the whole time on highways. Great fuel economy though, and very simple to work on being a single cylinder.
@@jakegarrett8109 that’s what I was thinking too. Getting a grom just for Grubhub. With my body weight I’d prolly get about 100-110 mpg. If I got one I wouldn’t take it on Highway. Lol. I’ll take the city routes. But ya. It’s extremely helpful with being so fuel efficient
Honestly, the with the new visual zx6r, they improved even more the low end torque. Got the chance to ride it. Don't appreciate them looking the same as the ninja 650, doesnt feel special visually but you immediately forget it once you're in the saddle riding.
Only issue as you say is that it looks similar to the 650 and the 400. If those bikes didnt exist it would be very handsome looking machine on its own. But the shorter gear ratios, more relaxed ergos and quickshifter make for such a blast on the street and on track.
Kawasaki is the new ultimate squid missile. Due to pricing. Suzuki was king because they would finance everybody with 0% interest and the bike was 11k. NOW you can get a 636 brand new for less than 10k.
Kawasaki has always been the speed king,starting with the 1985 GPZ900,everyone else followed suit.Everytime they got knocked off the top,which wasn't that many times,they always came back swinging.
I had a 2003 CBR 600 then got a 636 in 2005 and have had it ever since, now on 80,000 miles, loved the midrange then and now, always had more than 1 bike, other is a 2015 BMW S1000XR but that gets used more on the road these days for the comfort.
I ride an R6 but I bleed green and I'd kill for a 636. I mean its a 636 LOOK AT IT, LISTEN TO IT! Even when you hear those 3 numbers 636 in concession it sends shivers down the spines of Suzuki and Honda riders. You instinctively think green & mean. And their pricing compared to other 600's is crazy. Even newer models are significantly cheaper priced than a new R6 or CBR600RR
Yammie, came across your videos when I was looking at a R3 for my first bike, noticed you are in Austin, I’m north round rock. Nice to see someone close to home. Stay safe
@@derikvos6756 My car almost does 10k rpm stock (it can safely hit 12k with rev limiter removed if you wanted). For motorcycle engines that's not too crazy, its not slow, but its not insane either.
It’s a great comparison, now people know exactly how poor an r6 performs below 10k rpms, coincidently exactly where most street riders spend the majority of their time lol great track bike though.
No matter what, i like that r6 looks. Maybe i need to work out or warmup before ride it. But it's worth it. I'll buy bikes that i comfortable with, not buy bikes that comfortable for most people.
i owned yamaha r6 for 6 years, loved the bike. Way better than zx6 on track, fast street. Now i own Tuono v4 but with my r6 i was keeping up with 1000cc sportbikes easy.
@@gavin8859 depends what you do. if you do rossi stuff on streets then its really good. if you want to ride to work or shopping, ofc its bad. you need 2nd bike for that. sportbike is meant to go fast
I’m considering a cbr650r and sat on a gsxr-750 just for fun this last weekend.... there is never gonna be a super sport ergo bike in my future- I don’t even consider the Honda as a sporty bike after realizing how god damn uncomfortable a true super sport is.
I laughed pretty hard at that review, haha! Here I was thinking the GSX-R lineup was going to be the "comfy" pick for the bikes I was looking at. Maybe I should reconsider my bike choices for occasional halfway across the country touring...
Maybe the first generation doesn't look that good but I'd argue the 05 06 636 look the best and most aggressive. Plus they got the tail exhaust so Thier more aerodynamic
I went from a Honda rebel 250 to a 2002 zx6 and….. god damn, after my first pull banging gears out to redline my first thought was “this should be illegal”
Even though I have a zx6 ever since I totaled my r3 I’ve always wanted an r6. It really sucks they stopped making them I would have loved to add a new r6 to the stable in a few years, such a beautiful bike.
I had a 2007 r6 and just recently got a 2023 zx6r and the 636 just feels more raw, definitely feels faster, and more aggressive, but i like how the r6 looks slightly better even the new one
It also lacks ABS, traction control, ride modes, a quickshifter, LED lighting, etc... It basically hasn't been updated in well over a decade... It's a good bike, reliable and fast, but its way behind the times in 2022...
For the price increase over the normal 600, it's not worth a damn. You want a STREET bike, you get Honda/Suzuki. You want to race and be competitive you buy a Kawasaki/Yamaha
@@deadlyapollo Well, the extra money buys you a solid 20hp increase. And on a 600 sized/weight bike, that is substantial. Most 750's easily hit 130hp at the wheel with a slipon and tune. The 600 is down around 110hp if you are lucky. It's one of the weakest 600's out there in the engine dept.
@@SquireSCA the extra money buys you jack shit. It buys you an increase in paper numbers. Having owned both THINKING the 750 would be better, it's not. It moves the power down lower but it's still a 155mph bike depending on how fat you are. My statement still stands. The 750, while an awesome bike, is not worth the extra money over the 600 model.
@@deadlyapollo wrong. I have owned both, and 30+ other sport bikes over the years…. 20hp at the rear wheel, is a significant difference. The 600 tops out in the 150s but the 750 will easily get up into the mid to high 160s…. Actual speed, not whatever the speedo shows which is usually 8% high. What’s the price difference? $800? For the identical bike but with an extra 20 horses? That’s money well spent. More power and acceleration everywhere in the rev range, high top speed….
Well we're all on the same page about lowering bikes, I lowered a dirt bike once so my girlfriend could ride it and I wanted to see what it was like. Fixed that right away.
Hey yam, I’m looking at either a zx6r or a gsxr 750 as my second bike. If you could compare those sometime I think that would be awesome! Keep up the good videos for these burning questions everybody is asking
I personally think the zx6r is a better choice. The 750 hasn’t been updated technology wise in so long. With the zx6r you can get quickshifters, etc from the factory. Either bike is a great choice though 👍 you’ll have thousands of hours of happiness on either
@@dannyv2lol I am definitely a Kawi fanboy, have a ninja 400 and ever since I got it I’ve been disappointed I didn’t start on a zx6r like I wanted to. Everyone said no but I grew up on dirt bikes my whole life and kinda found it lack luster
@@dannyv2lol I’ve had serious debates on weather or not going to a new zx10r cause it’ll be the last bike I’ll probably need besides a dual sport. It has cruise control, a quick shifter, 3 power modes and rider modes so that might be what I do. Also I could do a big down payment and just finance it for a few years
@@TJProdigy I’ve had a zx6r for a year as my second bike I’ve ever owned. I only had my ninja 650 for 2-3 months before i got a little bored so i understand that. I personally don’t see myself craving more power for a long time past a 636. I rarely ever even get to use the power on my 2005 zx6r. That’s not to say that getting a zx10r wouldn’t make you happy because I know damn well you would love that thing and so would I. I just think that a 600 is the biggest super sport you need for the streets unless you have seriously nothing but long straight highways around you. Also, going from a ninja 400 to a zx10r would be an insane jump in power. In contrast, if I was in the market for a bike right now and I found a zx10r for the same price as a zx6r or even close, I know I would jump on it lol. Just some things to consider
Okay so what are some circa 600cc bikes you would recommend? I’m going to move up and i’m browsing around and would love recommendations. My father being a huge Honda rider going through the range growing up is saying to grab a 600rr but I’m not sure.
If you’re looking to move up from the 300-500 range then take a quick look at the older bmw f800r or newer f900r. Little bit larger than 600cc but being parallel twins, they give you punch down low and still have the extra up top for highway commutes, which I do a fair bit with mine. Older Gen has the funky cyclops but 2015 and on has a more standard looking light and can be had from 5-7 grand
@@FANTOllVll For $3500 around me you're talking about some older liter bikes but with serious power, if he wanted a Honda even the 929 CBR is one for $2500 (great price admittedly) around my area. If he's wanting a 600cc he's probably got a specific use case that's not the same as those low performance bikes (those are heavier AND drastically less power than the 600cc), not to mention those are kind of overpriced. At 5-7k you're talking might as well buy a brand new bike, and new vehicles are a waste of money, but those are in a way lower performance tier anyways.
I would recommend getting fuel injected, for GSX-R series that's 2001 and newer, for Yamaha R6 that's 2003 and newer. Carburetors are a pain, and 4 of them in sync is a nightmare (even 2 on a twin cylinder is head banging annoying sometimes). Really recent bikes can have optional ABS brakes (may be something you want, personally I don't see much point other than for starting off before you can disable it). Those older bikes are often pretty cheap, like there's an R6 near me for $1800, and I've seen several GSX-R bikes sell for $1500 to $2k. Also when they are over 15 years old you can do a Vermont tag/registration in case the bike lost the title somewhere along those years, which is special because that means when you transfer it to another state you get a title since Vermont is a no title state. Personally it sounds annoying to do that, so I'd recommend ensuring the seller has a clean title in their name, but from personal experience the DMV can be a pain in the @$$ transferring titles for something as stupid as your odometer doesn't work (even though I wouldn't give a crap about if it was 50k miles or 10 million miles, they refuse to transfer title for one vehicle I own), so an older bike with that option is one way to go. Since its above 500cc though I believe they still need to verify the VIN number, so you may have to drive there, I don't know. But basically that's the only state that allows you to get a title and you don't have to live there to do it, just in case you end up finding a good deal (that's not stolen) but missing a title. Granted you don't NEED a title to tag and insure it usually, but its good to have.
After buying an R6, it's just such a lie that you have to be in the power band to move fast. You guys are just not being honest about a lot of bike's performance. On regular 45 mph roads, my bike almost never leaves second gear and never gets high in the rpms to do it. On the highway it screams and does 130 easy in 4th or 5th gear. You guys are delusional lmao. Now my ninja 500, that bike was at high rpm all the time on the highway and had no power. To say that a fuckin yamaha R6 is "asleep" anywhere above 7k in the Rev range is totally ridiculous. You can't even let the clutch all the way out under 4k rpm without it trying to die, so no, you do not need to be anywhere near the 14.5k rpm power band to move. I literally NEVER get to be in the powerband anywhere but the interstate, and I'm not even afraid to break laws. OBVIOUSLY, a 1000 has much more low end power. But those are also among the fastest and strongest motorcycles that exist. So let's grow up and accurately research and discuss motorcycles please. This channel's been a shit show for a while now but you did get me into riding years ago, so thanks for that.
Also please remember that as a bike that revs to a 16.5k red line (the R6) 8k rpms is NOT high rpm in any gear. 12k and up would be high rpm with the power band at about 14.5k. Simple numbers.
I agree with you. I’m relatively new at riding and actually bought a 2017 R6 as my second bike because everyone online says “oh it’s SLOW as long as you’re under 12k rpm…” so I thought it would be a good step up from my first bike; a good middle ground of tame and fast depending on how hard I wanted to push. Wrong. It’s ridiculously fast and powerful all the time. It’s the fastest thing I’ve ever driven. Once you’re acclimated to a 1000cc it may seem underwhelming, but I think it’s disingenuous to tell people this bike is slow.
I’m trying to decide between the zx6r or the z900. I love the look of the street fighter v4 which the z900 “almost” looks like but not quite. Where i feel like i may regret if i take the chance with the z900.
You just said it make a video about the gixxer 750 PL..I have a k3 750 would love to see a video about the mighty gixxer 750..lol..be safe you guys.. love the shows..
i did see that video, of course the 750 is faster than the Ninja and the R6 and the price seems to be low but in reality you are getting what you are paying for, a 2011 bike with no ABS, TC , Quickshifter and older suspensions, brakes and lights; i wouldn't like to sacrifice all those things for 20/30 more hp
I have a r6 myself, but the newer 636 has it beat in power. With a full exhaust and flash, they make 2-3 HP less then 750s. 117 is also what the 17+ r6 is rated at without ram air. It's restricted a bit compared to the older one that was rated at low 120s. But the motor hasn't been improved since 08 and it's at a small cc disadvantage.
@@taz4100 yeah , but that’s still the wheel HP , not crank . Crank would be somewhere in the low to mid 120s , not a huge difference anyways . It’s doesn’t matter either way as I was just joking around
R6 actually does make 116-118 at the crank. Their website even says so for the 2017+ models. 636 has been making 130 since 2013. On dynos they usually have a 10hp difference with the kawi being stronger everywhere and especially in the low and mid rpms. The R6 engine sounds like sex, but the 636 is an absolute missile.
@@Stratocasterhead51 I just doubt that is the crank figure . I couldn’t find any information that said it was crank numbers , they always just say it put down 116-17. If the engine basically didn’t change from previous version it should be making 124ish at the crank . The 636 does still put out more power for sure, no doubt about it .
@@itsme_Dio All reviews of the 2017+ models state 118hp. They dyno in the high 100s. Look up any review of the R6 and they all say the same. The engine didnt change, but the exhaust did. The additional catalytic converters for euro4 sapped a ton of power out of it. This is the reason why the older models feel more powerful. With a full system and tune it is just as powerful as the pre 2017 models.
