Yanis Varoufakis' on Keir Starmer's Labour Party 

He might call a spade a spade but a lot of it is wrong .

@@davidmontgomery9846 maybe but he is right about labour though

​@@ahmetkemal5918in what way?

@SlowhandGreg: That Labour, in their current guise at least, are a truly dreadful prospect. Increasingly authoritarian, seemingly unable to stand up for the most basic of working class principles, and intent to continue with the status quo (unsustainable greed/economic growth based on capital) that is destroying the planet.

@@MontyCantsin5 Have you seen the state of the country and its finances .The Labour Party can promise the earth but none of it will be deliverable because there isn't the money to pay for it .The Tories have decimated the N.H.S. , Social Care, housing , defence and every other public service yet you blame the Labour Party .

'COVID 19' was authoritarianism in practice.both labour & conservatives imposed 'LockDown' which is a prison doctrine on their own citizens.

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We don't even have the SNP in Scotland thanks to Sturgeon

Farakis is just another useful idiot. Where do you have to be politically to think that we have a far right government? There has been no difference between Labour and Conservative since John Smith died and Blair took over. The two have the same policies and they are not for the benefit of the British people. Inequality jumped after Thatcher was elected and it stayed high ever since, whoever was in charge.

No he's not, he has to move centre left to bring swing voters on board. Don't understand why that is so hard for people to understand. There is a whole other side of the electorate to this RU-vid channel that needs to be wooed a bit if Labour is to win the next election. The idea that KS is anywhere near as bad as Tories is ridiculous you should absolutely be voting Labour.

I agree, apart from "watered down". We need a new party of the working class.

Not even watered down. Look up Starmer and the Tri Lateral Commission.

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I don’t think so. So, are you saying after he openly admitted that he quote; *‘supports the Tory retic’,* is a good thing?

Both offer watered down trickle down economics.

"Wahay another done with Labour who will not vote!" says Tory!

"Fascist".

Most people don't see the reason for this. We are 2 of only a few countries still both using the FPTP voting system. The world has moved on and it no longer works. Ask a lot of people why it nots fair and leads to a only two choices and they probably won't know why.

​@@David-bi6lfFPTP is tried and tested. Nothing is perfect.

I hope that you didn't forget to see that in the worse option there is at least a chance to turn things around by the power of democratic debate and structure where in the worser option there is simply no way back except violent civil war? As the 'worser' option, democratic structure would be completely dismantled like on Jan 6th and full on authoritarianism will be set up (something that Biden supporters would never do). On that level its more a case of life and death. On a more issue based level of exteriority it appears to be (or can be misconstrued as) 'worse and worser'.

Biden literally just passed a big tax credit for the poor.

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Get those evil stasi commies. Anyone who disagrees and uses force to kick out is a evil stasi/fascist? Such crystal clear analysis!? 🤔

Demonstrably not but let’s not let actual facts stand in the way of good hyperbole 🙃

Nah, he stands for Davos and the WEF.

What utter rubbish.

@@matthewhiatt3862 He has no idea what he typed means. He probably saw it on GB News or The Sun

That is meaningless to me, they appear and exist and speak and write and do so many things, so do indeed do something.

Yanis a Tory voter you mean

​​@@caroltodd6691 You got anything better than BS?

@@caroltodd6691 try listening to him closer, d1ppy. He despises both establishment parties.

@@caroltodd6691how is he a Tory voter?

I literally stopped watching the video after hearing, that he ‘supports the Tory retric’. This country is going to be *completely f-ed* if the Tories are re-elected once again, or if Reform gets in.

labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Missions-Document-Lets-Get-Britains-Future-Back.pdf Give it a read

@@matthewhiatt3862 Yeah yeah every pensioner in the country is mixed up with dodgy US healthcare interests. Your apologia for corporate sycophancy is noted.

Labour will essentially keep the same fiscal policies and ramp up the diversity and inclusion nonsense. Anyone who calls out their fascism will be accused of hate speech.

@@matthewhiatt3862 the difference is the pensioners have no say where their money is put. the rich investors have much more power and why the fuck are they paying starmer and streeting it's not because they are nice people trying to fucking help others all they care about is return on investment!

"Seems to me" indeed it all is. A seemingly similar equivalence which with a small enough map and wide enough pencil tip, the places do connect in a pattern, but when the map is enlarged and the pencil tip sharpened, the points on the map do not equivalate at all in the pattern one thought they did.

It is amusing to see Marine Le Pen described as far right in France, yet her policies were similar to the Tories, just saying

@@michaeljones825 Le Pen is somewhat performative though, as is Trump. Neither is truly far right.

Or maybe Tories are just more fascistic than polite society usually admits.@@michaeljones825

Bingo!

I completely agree, And the far right is usually more preferable for corporations too, easier to profit from and control

But he failed and he is now without power as he once had.

@DSPwhilst those who remained with Tsipras and accepted austerity economics, not only further impoverished the Greek people, but created the conditions for the far right to replace them in government. This is exactly the trajectory of the UK if Starmer's mantra of power over principles is followed

@@shinywarm6906 The trajectory is different now. If Tories stay in and Trump gets in there will hardly be any replacement for as long as Putin, Xi Jinping, Modi and others such stay in and longer- once their asses are on the throne they cannot be removed because they change the democratic structure. Times have changed.

@@shinywarm6906 The Far Right would have done quite well out of Greece being bankrupt, I reckon. What choice do you think Tsipras had? Easiest thing to have done would have been to flounced out.

@@chrismanners9091"reckoning" to know about something that never happened is easy. Sneering is easy. Varoufakis spent years working to build Syriza. When they finally won office - and when he'd been appointed to a post that he could have used to set himself up for life, he was faced with the reality that to do so would have meant betraying his principles. He walked away to start a new party from scratch. He's remained active in Greek politics (and without the benefit of a ministerial bodyguard, got hospitalised after being assaulted by far Right thugs not long ago). You might think he made the wrong choice. You might disagree with everything he stands for. But to suggest he took the "easy way out" is fatuous.

You think after him openly saying that he supports the quote; *‘Tory retic’,* is a good thing?

​@@s7nful_What Yanis meant was that Tory rhetoric is plain to see; we know the Tories despise workers and the working classes, and they don't lie or mask over their allegiance to the upper classes and the establishment. Labour, however, is masking over its true allegiances, trying to appeal to the establishment while ignoring their roots.

We have a chance to get the tories out and get a large enough majority for the left of centre. Stop trying to run before walking, or we will never change the institutions of the country. I agree completely that the Green Party offer a better future for the Uk, but labour need to steady the ship before we can have any drastic change in the economic or cultural setting.

The Green party are a waste of oxygen. They bought down the SNP and set back the cause of Scottish independence bu 20 years thanks to their ridiculous GRA bill. A Green council in Brighton split over a simple issue like council workers wages, allowing the tories to tale control of the council.

@@alexandermason3421 Tories and Labour voters need to unite, get rid of both parties. For Green. Tory MP admitted the other day, Tories and Labour are just two parties of the same policies.

@@alexandermason3421ridiculous. Starmer is a lite-tory, he won’t steady the ship, he’ll slow the speed it sinks, then lose to another Tory. We need real change. Starmer only wants to change the colour ties of those in power

Only council Greens had control over: Brighton. They ruined it. #VoteTactically #DontVoteTory Labour/LibDem coalition best for Britain.

You say that but they rejected the only alternative to Starmer and the Tories. Those who voted for Jonnson and now Starmer deserve everything they get.

​@@archvaldorTotally agree.

A new party would almost certainly be dead on arrival unless we get proportional representation. However, it could influence Labour for the better, a bit like how UKIP influenced the Tory party for the worse.

@@matthewhiatt3862 "they need to start presenting a solid and credible polical project" Wow it is like chatgpt cut and pasted that bs off one of Starmer's speeches. Utter meaningless drivel.

​@@matthewhiatt3862socialism isn't far left, you starver apologist. Starver is a tory, he's admitted he's a Tory. He's a dictator.

Blair believed he was right and that he could could convince voters of it Corbyn brliebed bebelieved he was right and that he could convince voters of it They may have little in common, but they weren’t weathervanes buffetrd about by the slightest thing, terrified of losing voters, constantly backtracking on anything that didn’t immediately see a surge of voters, scared of their own shadows, claiming to believe whatever the latest YouGov poll says white van man reckons and doing the same tomorrow even if it’s utterly different than before That was neither Blair or Corbyn I’m afraid, though, that it’s Starmer to a T

Murdoch has gone off Trump, a crack in the wall? He also apparently prefers Labour than Conservatives too. He liked Blair. He started off as a communist but flipped over, maybe he is maturing and changing? Vacillating, or god knows what? David Duke also liked Corbyn. The National Front are pro-Palestinian. Tony Benn was anti-EU and so were the BNP. The Hells Angels took it on themselves to be the security of rock musicians who had no choice. Churchill liked Stalin.

Except Starmer is not a hidden Tory he's an alternative third wayist socialist with a different variant to Blair's third wayism and incorporates blue Labour insights and has kicked out SOME of the 'far-left' because, well like as historically Labour did in the past with the CPGB, they cause trouble and this time indeed harbour antisemitism (as acknowledged by academics and other far-left Trotksy groups too like Worker's Liberty and the Socialist Workers Party USA- not a smear). So Starmer because of his booting outs and his third wayist socialism different and similar to 'Blairism', and his bringing back the red-wall drift with blue labour, is not technically Tory but an actual realistic alternative to Tory which can be built on in the future considering the circumstance. Another load of Tory years (allied with trump is he gets back in) will mean hell on earth and further destruction of democratic structures and socialist possibilities. Starmer will mean hell on earth yet with progressive ways out and forward. Big difference not to be overlooked. One needs nuance not simplistic emotional, i feel, he looks like, sounds like, feels like and superficial analysis on external issues and cheer on those who agree with my....

Red and blue Tories.

@@matthewhiatt3862 Umm...you support the Israeli genocide then? Starmer does and has done for 4 months.

"Yay" Another who wont vote for Labour, so much more for us!" says Tory.

@@Scott-DSP No, I shall be voting Green not Tory. I shall vote in Epsom and Ewell which is unlikely to turn Labour anyway (there is a good chance of it turning Lib Dem). Tell me, what is the point of me voting for a party I no longer believe in, that does not represent me, whose Leader terrifies me. Surely, in a democracy it is healthy for people to vote for what they believe in?

there are things I would ask you (I do not expect you to answer them here but only to yourself) is have you ever checked to see if your conclusions that Labour doesn't represent you, that its leader terrifies you and your lack of belief, is inculcated by campaigns of social media disinfo and forces which are hard-to-spot-fascists in sheep's clothing who wish to destroy socialism and keep Tories in power? Or whether you have checked that your conclusions are based on reading of source documents of Labour policy and weighing up from listening both to those who support and those who constructively criticise and those who genuinely expose corruption? Are your conclusions based on understanding what ruses the current techno-libertarian anti-socialist neo-fascist reich wingers use to keep conservative forces in power? Are your conclusions based on an understanding of Labour history and similar situations where we can learn lessons from the past? Have you deeply considered and rechecked and tested your conclusions and spent any time attaining conclusions that you had to change in further light of analysis and have hence been practised in the art with sufficient degree? For if not, then you may indeed be some unwitting 'useful idiot' for forces whose aim of the destroy and dismantle democratic states to build up authoritarian power of the worse kinds. Again, I suggest you reflect and there is no need to answer this here, only in yourself and if you have considered all these things, then all the best as I also think the Greens and Lib Dems are not such a bad lots on some issues either and are a better alternative to Tory.

is that Because you are a Tory voter

​@caroltodd6691 sorry Carol, saying someone is a tory voter for calling Starver the dictator he is. Starvers admitted being a tory, he's gone back on all his pledges. He's de,onrushing the left. Get you're head out his backside

Hey, that’s not a fair thing to say about Kier, disgusting comment😤. Snakes have spines, don’t drag them into this. he’s more like a worm

​​@@caroltodd6691I imagine it's because he doesn't like traitors. Class exists. Labour should shout about it. They won't even utter the term working class. Members of the public thinking they themselves are middle class is hillarious😂 if you sell your labour for a wage you are working class. If you work to live you are working class. Everything else is window dressing. Just another way to divide. Do these middle class folk somehow think they are going to "climb the ladder" and become upper class? 😂 Us and them. ALWAYS has been. ALWAYS will be.

@@caroltodd6691 Are you lot ever going to have the wit or intellect to come up with anything else?

Therefore you need to look deeper to what are the differences then and if you cannot see them, perhaps look at yourself and the surrounding peer pressure for not looking or even wanting to look hard enough (and perhaps social media for encouraging us all to think in memes and placards, break up all our writing into three four line paragraphs and share shorts more than others) sad as it is these days where nuance and effort and more than ever needed and yet people don't have the time either, alas.

@@Scott-DSP What is dis waffle??? 😂😂😂

@@jackbaynes3959 Glad I made you laugh. I was merely pointing out and covering it all as much as I can, why the view of similarity and false equivalence exist and the need for instead looking at what the differences are between the parts of the establishment and politicians as they are not all the same. In fact the Tories used a vote-for-none-they-are-all-the-same tactic to stop Milliband getting in. It was an actual part of their PR strategy. Of course we have social media now and a heap of controllers of corps who whilst knowing everything about our political views we know nothing directly about theirs excepting that they seem to like reducing our attention spans and boosting comments everywhere which lead one to conclude voting is a waste a time, they are all the same. Capitalising on people's inability to think deeply and nuanced is something we need to work hard on not allowing.

@@pumps6330 ask your carer how to use Google.

The answer is on Google- don't vote for Labour, they are antisemitic pro Zionist lobbyists sayeth a flip flopping million trolls and all those sudden defenders of Palestine who appear from nowhere and where logical rebuttals are strangely silent (or cannot be seen?) and such admirable against the "flip flopping" sentiments abound!

Yes when it gets personal and at the low point of the argument big it up the rafters and rub ones hand in glee. Its all a laugh isn't it? ffs!?

Ironic then that the masters of this untouchability seem to favour his critics more considering the boost they get in the online presence. Strange that is.

@@matthewhiatt3862 it comes from paying attention, understanding power and not slavishly treating politics as sport.

@@matthewhiatt3862 are you 14 years old or something?

@@matthewhiatt3862 I think you're extremely naive or maybe just uninformed if you think that Starmer has "firmly held progressive beliefs". There is zero evidence of that in his career before becoming a politician, or since. If you actually look closely at his track record, at who he has associated with and with who has supported his political career, it's clear that he is an establishment tool filled with nothing but ambition. And stop patronising me.

​@@matthewhiatt3862Starmer doesn't hold progressive beliefs.hes pure establishment

​@@matthewhiatt3862word salad

​@@matthewhiatt3862Fascism is still alive and well. Get your head out of the sand.

It can even appear as wolf in sheep clothing waving a Palestine flag (or raging against the EU) like as in the BNP and NF and in such a manner suck in a bunch of 'useful idiots'.

And, what political party would that be? Reform UK?

The British got the Hashemite arabs to uprise against the Turks but didn't tell the Hashemites they were settling in the Zionists (who were also not told about why the British were helping them either! lets not forget!!). Oh and by the way the Jews do have a history that deserves to accounted for in all of this early history prior! Let us not forget that too! In other words the British use the Arabs and Jews for their own ends and divide and rule for the sake of India and the trade over the waters of Suez canal and the oil fields of Iraq. So if you are using the Arabs for your getting your own back on Labour for Corbyn side, then you are doing the same. More so than the situation in Parliament, which really was not planned and if anything a trap gone wrong to divide Labour (which is also what the anti-Labour left are also doing). History repeats itself. The question should be then how to bring about peace with Jews and Arabs and stop their manipulation and get Palestinian and Israeli to live in peace as far away from Hamas shit stirrers on one end and the right wing Zionists on the other and MOREOVER the outside manipulators of such, which are, ironically, are SOME of those who shout the loudest against the war for the reasons they do in this country!

Literally every party whips. And parties frequently put forward their own positions on opposition days. The controversy was what the Speaker did.

I think they said similar things in a similar mood as Yanis, in a different situation, when Lenin set up the New Economic Policy...of which Stalin ruthlessly abolished and Trotksy like Stalin also criticised too.

@@Scott-DSP could you grasp any further for those straws

@@pud4272 What do you suggest as the alternative in Britain today? For the sake of purity, railing against the wealthy until they easily destroy labour and the party becomes a grassroots out of power insignificant party of idealism? Wasn't Lenin's New Economic Policy chastised by soviet purists as selling out to capitalism? Namely the purists Stalin on one hand and the more subtle Trotsky on the other, neither of which continued the New Economic Policy and hence ruined Communism as a result as Labour was fighting for improved trade relations with the new Bokshevik state at the time? Also I personally find further parallels in Lenin's approach to the CPGB (the Communist Party of Great Britain) and its desire to remain pure communists outside of Labour and not selling out to Labour (because of reasons and arguments similar as to what you mention) as of interest. History shines a light on all this making excuses not to vote for Labour (however valid the excuses are) as Lenin clearly states such is a foolish approach making sure socialism is destined to the grassroots insignificance- he urged whatever the faults of Labour British communists still get involved with the Labour party and support, vote and take part within it, not outside of it. I use these examples of Leninism because this is as far one can go in the argument of the socialist left leaving Labour, and even there, there is a far left argument for remain (lol!). It shows there are far left and socialist arguments against the very things you suggest as remedy for those things you and Yanis are correctly are taking umbrage about and perceptively pointing out which are in a way based on socialist thinking. Thus in the past in similar situations, even in those 'extreme' left Bolshevik-as-victorious shores (when British Labour constructively criticised but also supported and had hope in it), there is an argument against justifying by argument of purism and principle to abandon working with , within and for Labour. The need for actually attaining significant power is more important than stances of approach to the elites. The need to be able to make concrete changes by remaining with Labour whatever the weather is more important than attitude or stance against monarchy or the rich. If we allow arguments for purity and stance to trump need for power to change, and use such to distract people from voting and taking part within Labour, we will be forever grasping at straws as there wont even be much grass roots and shoots which will be dead and dry if the current crop of Tories stay in power and Trump gets back in! Considering then the circumstances, indeed it is folly to use purity, ideology and principle above necessity and somehow make arguments that Tories are better as at least the are more easily recognisable and less hypocritical in their support for elites.

But he folded a neat towel.

Have you even bothered looking on those primary documents on their website or do you reply just on what clips appear in your social media feed for your analysis?

The Labour Party of Keir Hardie and Nye Bevan died with John Smith in 1994 - it's been Red Tory New Labour ever since! ☹️

@@alexhenderson1312So would that include the years under Jeremy Corbyn?

He knows exactly what Stramer is about, he is being an interviewer and allowing Yanis to talk and trying to remain impartial. It is called professionalism.

@@DavidJohnson-dc8lu no it is showing the same naivety that so many Labour members and supporters show when presented with the reality of Starmer's corruption and mendacity.

If the system is stacked against you, change it.

Corbyn failed because the right of Labour couldn't bear the idea of a PM who is pro-Palestinian and anti-oil. They threw the 2017 election and after that were emboldened to throw all internal democracy to the wind. The senior officers trooped through the media studios firing on the loyal rank and file.

I literally can't think of even one issue where they are "miles apart"!!! 😅

@@stephenwood2172 Red Tories are the same. Thatcherism is the problem.

@@stephenwood2172 It wasn't necessary to extend your comment beyond the fourth word.

@@stephenwood2172 Removing non dom tax exemptions for the elites not paying any tax Nationalising private sectors the tories have sold off like energy and rail Being anti austerity and actually funding the NHS, police and other services. Like what planet do you have to be on to think these people are the same

They are so many miles apart that Starmer and Reeves are sounding like Cameron & Osborne in 2010.

79 to 97 ?

Bang on every one at work wants these Tories out

But it won't be the start of a new era. Just Tory 2010 rehash 🤦‍♂️

After 14 years of the Tories we need to elect Tory team B? Logic!!!

​.. and then what???... tell me what policies you support of Labour???

@@imemine6494 nationalising railways, abolishing Non doms loophole, VAT on private schools,. house of lords reform. I could go on, but lets get a manifesto out first!

His owners have though

Varoufakis did not say that Starmer said that, listen from 8: 20 onward and he is referring to Starmer rhetoric it seems

Ironic to misquote Varoufakis in order to claim he misquotes Starmer

load off Bollocks Tory voter @@norman7527

BANG ON

Yes it has. 18 years 1979 to 1997. Try knowing history first

Ever heard of Margaret Thatcher?

@@adamcarreras-neal4697 @adamcarreras-neal4697 love a good insult. Well done, silly me. That was five more years of gratuitous moaning from the sidelines, and surely you remember well how much Foot and Kinnock achieved. Keep knocking Starmer for not being your ideal lefty leader some more and you'll achieve just about as much. It's nice to imagine Smith would have gone on to win - but be honest, even his Labour party didn't - Blair's centrist redo did. Either you want Labour to have a large majority or you can enjoy it having a slim one, or none at all. But yes, you're right, I miscalculated the five years. Keep at it, and so can you.

@@matthewhiatt3862 Well they cost £30 each and it then cost the tax payers £300 for each card refunded so it worked out well for someone. I'm sure Starmer will take on his old mate Tony Blair's idea for a full digital ID this time with handy social score score system to keep us in line.

Considering your username and avatar you are an expert in spouting bollocks

what a Load off Bollocks your Tory Thieves have this country in a whole but you vote your Tory government while me and my 400 Staff vote Labour old chum

with a little help from a million comments like yours on this platform run by....? (they seem to know everything about our politics and we not much of theirs and they seem to favour yours and similar comments too for some reason and I do wonder why?)

BANG ON @@Scott-DSP

@@caroltodd6691 Thanks. I am afraid this is the case, unfortunately.

They're literally 20 point ahead.

He wasn't thrown out of the party but he was blocked from being on the shortlist for the larger mayoral selection in the North East. It was ruthless, factional behaviour on the part of the Labour leadership.

@@robertbell9935 it was yes, but if the party doesn’t want to consider him for the job, that’s their prerogative. It was a proper ‘rage quit’ from him. He seems to have left for this, rather than any ideological concerns, or he surely would have left earlier. He’s still be there if they gave him the big mayoralty

Who is 'the party'? A controlling, authoritarian clique in reality, which was Yanis's point. When Corbyn's Labour tried to exert a smidgen of control over these people who were continually working to smear and undermine his leadership, headlines about 'Stalinist bullyboys' were all over the media. Ruthlessly attack and purge the left, however, and you're showing 'admirable toughness'.

​@@michaelmccomb2594so do you agree with Labour top nobs actions? Lots of well formed weasel words in your posts

@@keithparker1346 I am just pointing out that what he’s said is not true.

unlike you he has a fully calibrated bullshit detector.

People change

Red and blue Tories.

Human rights lawyer who claims Israel has the right to do war crimes, was involved in defending the Met over that shooting on the tube and let's not talk about Assange. Starmer is an utter establishment tool

Gobsmacked by your comment. Gaza? Gaza Gaza? Starmer was on work experience when he defended the miners. He was obliged to do it. As Director of Public Prosecutions, he did not censure the police for shooting an innocent man in the back, nor for planting spies in various movements who raped women activists. And most of all, he supports Zionist racism and genocide in Gaza. Human rights lawyer??!!! His complicity in war crimes will see him in the dock when the ICJ verdict comes in. He is contemptible.

.. About the same

He wasn’t anything like as authoritarian as Starmer. I would bet my house on it. And I loathe Blair.

Nope. Starmer has kicked tens of thousands out the party, often for little more than liking a tweet. He has deselected tonnes of MPs. He has removed the means to challenge him from within the party. Goes way beyond anything Blair did. Way beyond anything Corbyn did, either.

Blair's still there, behind the scenes.