ah stop he got cooked by kendrick but drake is still a good artist, if anything you lot should be giving drake a lot more respect for taking on the assignment regardless. they both gave us a great moment in hiphop and drake was no slouch.
@@waketp420 because kdot said it, it suddenly becomes fact, do yourself a favor, grow an opinion by yourself, jesus are you seriously gobbling all this horse shit up as fact, shame on you.
@@montoya-400He is saying that Drake’s music caters to a commercial audience. His lyrics and physical appearance are edgy enough for white suburban folks without being considered “ghetto” or “hood”. Drake makes white people feel comfortable and edgy at the same time.
lol he’s got no reason to hate. Hip hop is a culture. This man a legend in that space. Drake is a corporate product. These men are not in the same worlds. He’s not hating, just telling the truth of the matter
@@larryfoster8820 How is this a surprise at this point RU-vid has been doing this kind of thing for about 4 years now at least, ever since slightly before the pandemic
people missed the message and got out of it what they wanted. kayne said the same shit once on the breakfast club some years ago and no one said anything. lets be for real these artist are paid to target the youth so drake making music to a older crowd wouldnt work for him. ive never heard that man rap. drake a wannabe tough boi sining on a mic. so yea drake is target music.
@@OriAlSirrGriselda are liked by old and young, so is Roc Marciano. Drake isn't liked by old and young because he's simply not talented enough. He's pop only.
@Kcam9608 You mean like Diddy used hiphop as a tool to extort his artists for decades and do mad mad degenerate sh*t? Hip hop sold out and was sold out by it's own people long before drake was a thing. Drake has just kept the music commercially successful. Lets not forget all the stripping females, the fake trap gangsters the druggie rappers, the mumble rappers etc that all helped contributed a lot more to its downfall. Irony is weather you are a drake fan or not he will actually be remembered as one of hip hops biggest figures and having some of its biggest songs after the era of true hip-hop in the mainstream truly died.
that guy does great commercial music. he is civilization collapsing made music. can't lie, he represent that reality very, very well. not yet sure this realness has the same resonance than the realness that's discuss a lot in hip-hop. could be.
I think all he was saying is what does Drake's music have to say about what is happening around us? What does it offer his listeners? There's a place for pop music in hip-hop, no doubt, but if that's all you are then you're not hip-hop and that's okay. Hip-hop speaks to conditions in your soul, your block, your county, the world.
What does he mean by that, because I don't keep up with Drake at all, is it like he's just dropping stuff just to drop stuff and it's commercial no substance?
@@montoya-400 l think when he says so many products, it could be alluding to how many albums Drake drops, and how many boxes Drake ticks off with each album. There's stuff for women, stuff for men, stuff for tiktok, he uses a fake british accent sometimes to appeal to the UK, uses a fake Jamaican accent to appeal to his Toronto fanbase, he's got rnb songs, female anthems, pop songs, etc. The man released an entire awful house album as well. He doesn't seem to be in the music biz to actually create great music. He's in it to rack up numbers, appeal the largest amount of fanbases as possible. He refuses to mature in real life and with his music because the kids are his largest audience. There's a reason why the only thing Drake fans use to argue him being the goat is his album sales and streaming numbers. You never hear them talk about the QUALITY of his work, only the quantity. Drake is a machine, not an artist.
@@UriyahRecordsThe fact is "UMI says" was featured in a commercial some years ago. Can't remember which one, but I'm sure you can find it online. That said, Drake's music is a commercialized brand of Hip Hop. There's no other way to put it. It is what it is
this was a more effective roast than DMX, lol. DMX just straight up said i dont like him, very direct- Mos cooked him brilliantly. i love this mall, it has everything, lol
@@LoneStarVII That dude lives in Africa (unless things have changed and he relocated back here). He's not worried about cancel-culture in the states because none of those MFs are his audience, and he has no endorsements from a big company, so he can pretty much say what he wants without any push back.
“Umi Says” is better than anything Drake has ever done or ever will do. That tune is heartbreaking, hopeful, beautiful, and empowering all at once. It’s an inspiring call out to his community. And that’s just ONE of his cuts. Name a Drake tune that even comes close, I’ll wait.
i’m out of the loop so forgive me if i’m missing something. but i thought we all knew drake was inoffensive, formulaic, poppy for like 7-8 years at least?
@redcast104 True indeed... But I was commenting more along the lines of him reaching these heights with "said formulas and tactics," and it eventually having to come to some type of end. Kinda brings me to the old clichè "The bigger they are the harder they fall". Not saying Drake will fall, but he's definitely in the latter end of his music career. (Just an opinion)
Not with takes like this. There’s a clear answer to the goofy question he asked at the end, and the answer is, _”all of the other types of music he makes besides the one you’re complaining about”._ I’m not the biggest Drake fan but if you’re not 7 years old and you listen to enough music then you know Drake has fit into more pockets and lanes of music on a successful and believable level than any other rapper there is. All of his music isn’t bubblegum pop, and a hip-hop “legend” pretending that’s the case is weird. If he wanted to, Drake could drop a double album of any type of music he’s done in the past. Your favorite rapper’s favorite rapper can’t make anything listenable outside of classic boom bap, and some of the “greats” that realize that and don’t like it, show it in their hot takes. If you never have, never will, and probably can’t do what Drake does on a scale of music that goes beyond classic raps, then it’s kinda pointless to talk about how “pop” he is, because he did the classic raps _first_ and he did it for years.
@@BrotherMalMusic I agree with most of this but let's be honest Drake was never respected as a pure classic rapper. Classic rapping alone isn't what made him famous. He combined things in ways very few could /did before him. Drake always was rap for people that don't usually or hardcore listen to rap. For hardcore rap fans Drake was a nice option but never taken seriously. For those casual rap listeners Drake was a serious rappers and perhaps even allowed them to get more into rap which is good. But let's not sit here and pretend that Drake would have been a hall of fame rapper. His singing, his beats, his persona, his marketing, everything came together beautifully for him. Rap didn't carry him.
@@elqord.1118 I’m not pretending like anything, I’m stating facts. I grew up on rap music. Drake came up under and beside Wayne, literally one of the best artists to rap. Some of Drake’s oldest shit is him barring up with Wayne on a song for 5 minutes, no hook. I repeat, that’s his _oldest shit,_ before he perfected the singing hooks, before he ever went “pop”. Before Drake got super fame, he was literally known for _rapping._ I wasn’t a casual rap fan and I took him seriously because he was rapping seriously. That goes against what you’re trying to say, you can’t just make a general statement and speak for everyone. There are plenty of people that were deep into rap, more than anything else, and Drake was a part of the palette of rappers to pay attention to. Him going “pop” or “r&b” or whatever else is after he went hard trying to fit in with _actual rappers_ and trying to get respect from rap legends. And a side note is, the main reason people penalize Drake for going beyond rap is bc he’s so good at it, to a point where he doesn’t feel “hip-hop”, and his appearance doesn’t help that. But there are countless cases of contradictions. Andre 3K went pop asf, saying roses smelled like doo-doo and we sang along. Let someone say what they’re saying about Drake about Andre, we’d all treat them like a degenerate. 3K is still top 10 for half the “real rap fans” you ask, despite going pop. Wayne had a whole damn rock / skater era. Tried his hand at legit _rock_ albums. ROCK, my nigga. Let someone use this same logic about Drake with Wayne though; somehow it’s _different_ right? Eminem is the most pop rapper to ever rap besides Drake himself. Ironically, he fits the description of your last point more than Drake. He is literally the biggest white rapper so most of his fan base are probably casual rap fans. But contrary to your point about having casual rap fans, Em is also still top 10 for half of anyone you ask, so your point can’t be valid for Drake and not Eminem. I was gonna make another point with Nikki Minaj but you get it. I get the point about Drake, it’s just the fact that you have to ignore half of his career for that point to hold weight, and also ignore all of the artists that did the exact same thing as him, but just reached a lesser audience and / or got a pass for it; AND also ignore the fact that almost no one who hates the fact that Drake can do so much more than rap, can even sound believable if they tried to do the same. Then, Mos Def isn’t even just coming for the pop aspect, dude said “what happens when this all falls apart” or something like that? My nigga, Drake has been one of the biggest artists for over a decade now. Nothing is falling apart 😂. If Drake pulled a Kendrick and didn’t drop an album for 4+ years, the hiatus would shake the industry damn near as much as his next album. It would be the talk of the year, easily. And he could come back with any genre. I wouldn’t even put Drake in my top 20 favorite rappers until last year, and I’ve been listening to him since ‘08, _at least,_ so this isn’t even bias. It’s just logic.
Preach Hip-Hop is a culture. Rapping actually came way before Hip-Hop anyway and be traced back to the 20s. In fact I would say Gil Scott Heron and The Last Poets were rapping in the 60s 70s also some of the greatest Hip-Hop albums of all time Entroducing, Donuts, Petestrumentals etc feature no rapping at all. In summary Drake is a RnB/Pop artist who raps. Not my thing but no shade as he has done pretty well for himself 🤣
Beyond just hating on Drake, which is pure comedy gold, Yasiin Bey's dropping some of the most direct and incisive cultural criticism you'll hear today
Yasiin Bey spoke his truth and said it like it is so eloquently ... Props also to the interviewer. The pacing of her interviewing is great and opened the space for interesting dialogue to happen.
@@awene4675 actually, i said "his truth" and that he "said it like it is" (meaning, he spoke *the* truth). people can read more carefully. being kind to people online is free.
@shangxian it seems to be that the notion of "his truth", which is commonly used to imply that truth is subjective and, therefore, does not objectively exist, is incompatible with the notion of "the truth", which suggests that truth exists objectively and independently of human subjectivity. Thus, it seems your sentence is self contradictory. I was responding to the apparent ridiculous implications of the former, and not necessarily to your statement. But I can understand how my response might have sounded like an attack to you, and I apologize for that.
If anyone thinks it’ll “collapse”, they first need to figure out what they mean by that, then they need to figure out why tf they think it would all of a sudden happen to an artist like Drake. Dude is over a decade and a half into this music thing and he’s breaking records, all while catering to the wide fan base he has and still dropping different things for different people. Idk what Mos Def is on about in this clip but he honestly sounds ridiculous. Drake’s hold on music is literally going nowhere. If he pulled a Kendrick and didn’t drop an album for 4 years, I guarantee his next drop would be the most anticipated and talked about album to ever drop. Being considered a “legend” and acting like you don’t understand that is wild. The biggest Drake hater could understand he’s not going anywhere.
@@2Muchpjp If that’s the case, that wouldn’t be a Drake issue, but it sounded like he was making it one. Maybe I’m still misinterpreting, so lmk if I am.
@@BrotherMalMusic I honestly think the dip from Drake's discography quality and his image started with the Story of Addidon. The lack of creativity, him forced to be a father now, how he came from a healthy household, him being a culture vulture. The cracks became more noticeable and it definitely affecting how he should maneuver his career moving forward.
Interesting dialogue needed now more than ever. When you see his view on Palestine and also on Drake, you clearly get this man is lucid as no other people in the position and platform he is on.
He says what he says for attention and to please his small hat overlords. He acts as if he isn't commercial. Hasn't he starred in big hollyweird movies? He's like Katt Williams- pretending to expose others while he obediently serves the same establishment he pretends to fight against.
The fact ppl cooked Bey when he first said this, but now everyone wants to act like he was always right (he was, they just didn't agree until it became popular to say) 💀
Exactly! Now that Kendrick is bringing the same points, everyone collectively hates Drake. It's unbearable when people pass off legends like Yasin as "out of touch" while them lacking any sense of today.
This aged well. Kendrick just dropped "Not Like Us". Back to back to back to back. He came prepared to knock him off his throne. Time for a real artist to have a shot.
His music is compatible with shopping. Fuck bruh. That shit is verifiable. And the fact that Yasiin took his time to analyze his response, you know that shit was genuine.
