Ran a marathon. Started struggling at mile 15 and this phyco pops into my head shouting at me. DO IT, DO IT, GROSVENOR, ROWNTREE, YES, YES, YES, YOU’RE DOING IT. kept going for 11 miles. Got me over the finish line. Wife said I was a mess at the end, mumbling GROSVENOR to myself 😂😂😂😂
Fair play 😂. I did a half marathon 2 weeks ago. 13.4 miles. Crowley to watford. I gave up on the 8th mile. Started walking. I should of tried you strategy 😂
This is grade A acting from both Kingsley and Winstone. The tension could be cut with a knife. When you first watch it you really are afraid that something really bad is going to happen to Winstone but you dont know how or what and when Kingsley leaves in the taxi its a clever move because it demonstrates that even though Kingsleys character is a total psycho he still has a level of control.
If I remember correctly, Kingsley said he had a horrible aunt or other relative who would talk to people like that. Yelling yes over and over. Just brute forcing their way. So he carried it over to the character. But I can't remember where I read it, so I could be wrong.
" I won't let you be happy , why should I?"..... ..... Just think how many people who are actually friends with us , really think like this deep down....
Don is not a bully believe it or not, he’s a victim. He would kill me (or try) for saying it but he was afraid of his feelings. He was never hugged or comforted as a child. Believe me, I grew up with these damaged characters and even at 7 years old could see the distortion. Lucky for me I came from a tough Jamaican family (Dad, ex British Army and traumatised) so I could cope. But I saw the unwashed faces, the nits, the lack of breakfast and bruises. Sickening.
Very honest of you ! From what I’ve witnessed and heard , a lot of family’s from the 60s/70s/80s literally had nothing and terrible childhoods . Makes me appreciate my childhood, and I hope my children appreciate theirs .
@@Hellserch something horrible must happen to turn an innocent child into a terrifying character like Don Logan. He is highly emotional but lacks emphathy. His world view must be horrible.
I grew up with boys and men like this in Bow, London, in the 1970’s. This is an astounding rendition of their mental state. When boys like this become wounded, there is no soothing or appeal to reason, it becomes something else. You both know it’s gone beyond words and is inexplicably, something else. Then everything becomes primitive: kill switches are on. I survived, as a black kid because I shuffled off logic and became primeval. I really did. I don’t recognise myself today from the kid I was. It was never my natural state but I recognised that I was in a fight for my life, most days. I was worst than them in some ways because I saw no other exit. It’s not those nutters I hate, it was the blind sided mules who let this go down. Even now I harbour deep hatred towards authority figures. It’s the only lasting legacy I have from that time. The truth is deep down feel sorry for the Don’s of that time and place: Wagon Wheels for breakfast and no dinner.
Agreed. Don't matter civilisation, laws, decency, empathy. Don't matter friendship or history. When one man uses unrelenting force to compel another then your right back in the trees gouging each others eyes out over bananas or swinging an axe into each others faces at Hastings, or burning each other alive with flamethrowers at normandy, or slicing each other to pieces with Stanley knives in the car park of your local. All civilisation and civilised behaviour ever is, is window dressing until it don't suit us anymore. I think we all have an instinct to spot the Don Logans of the world a mile away, but civilisation has dulled that instinct. We don't listen to it because we don't want to believe folks can be like that. And for most of us it's petrifying in the truest sense of the word. It freezes us solid. I worked in mental health for a long time and violence for me now is just tiring. It doesn't really shock me or provoke any emotions until afterwards. And that's where weed and whiskey helps. I trained myself to cope with it. But you can't tell people about it really. Not people who haven't experienced it, and those that have don't know how to tell each other. We make jokes exchange a look or a roll of the eyes and carry on. Thats why I use YT to explain it. To myself as much as to anyone else.
@@LoudaroundLincoln I was an AMHP sectioning people for years so everything you say makes sense. I certainly understand the use of poisons to cope with the unrelenting horribleness of it all. What is slightly different is that these anti-social features are being openly venerated. Trump and Johnson are respected for their evil.
@@Hellserch only difference i really see between the likes of Trump and Johnson and most of the others is they dont hide their contempt for ordinary people. That's not me defending the two of them, but when the likes of them become viable options to working class folks you have to ask yourself where we've gone wrong with the system as a whole.
@@LoudaroundLincoln I think, in these desperate times it’s worth remembering that before every revolution or uprising, call it what you may, there’s a period of decay and degeneration: English, French, American, Haitian and Russian Revolutions were preceded by barbaric leaders. I still think those tumultuous times are to come.
0:22 you can see this subtle shift in Gal's gaze as he suddenly realises part of the reason Don is there, but also his vulnerability. It also explains why his resolve in telling Don no becomes stronger from then on.
🤣🤣 Mate that 2 second bit always gets me.. Doesn't get in the front or to one side in the back.. Sits in the middle which is the biggest pain for the driver... Typical Don!
The fact Don said “I would like to leave, now, this minute please…”just shows how upset he is…but also shows how he thinks he’s the boss by giving an order -saying “get me a taxi” …
I haven't seen Ray Winstone in a lot of things but this had to be the part of a lifetime. And Ben Kingsley - Ghandi, fer chrissakes - so awesome in this film. Ian McShane so menacing with just a look. I saw Cavan Kendall in an earlier film where he was so suave and handsome, here playing a sort of wimpy loser. Amanda Redmond and Julianne White are so good too. But everything about this film is perfect. One of my favorites of all time.
Before this film, Ray Winstone was most known for playing a brutally abusive husband in “Nil by Mouth”. A level of malevolence similar to Kingsley in this. So it’s another great use of reverse casting.
Lol I'd be watching that taxi on the map getting closer and closer with my teeth grinding! 😂 I briefly dated a girl who looked like a young Monica Bellucci but acted like Don. I remember one time, literally like 2-3 dates in, I brought her home and she was wrecking my head so I was like here im going to bed in my spare room. So I was just drifting off and then she flung the door open, threw a plastic cup of water at mmy head, stripped the bed and began to scream at me 'how dare you go to bed like this! Get up get up get up get UPPPPPPP now now now now now NOOOOOOWWWWW! I tried to get her out my house but she just colappsed on the floor and started crying. Next day she's like txting me all sweet suggesting some date... I was like no way not at all. She arrives at my job and starts SCREECHING at me. Had to call the cops but she ran off. Two days later she was waiting for me at home and tried to get into my house and I had to physically stop her. (not easy... And that's me in the pic and I'm waaaaay bigger than her) then she put a brick through my window and before the cops went to question her she sent me videos of her... Enjoying herself....????!!!!!😂 😂 😂 Every time I see clips of Don I think of her. And her name began with a D too! 😂 😂 😂
@@mccarthy5825 You "briefly dated a girl who looked like a young Monica Bellucci"?. Jeez, you must be a big frickin' deal.........with exquisite taste. Sounds like she was a raging psychopath, but i'd still have taken my chances!
@@skaaya1 lol 😂 Solomon my friend, she was an absolute nutter! 😂 I wouldn't put her on to me worst enemy! 😂 She was gorgeous but she hassled me, after one ride and maybe 2 dates, for YEARS after. If I seen her now, over a decade later, I bet you Solly mate she would have a go! The problem is that, yeah don't stick your d*ck in crazy... But unfortunately most of the hottest women are crazy and crazy women are awesome in the sack so 🤷🏼♀️ damned if we do and damned if we don't ain't that the case?!!!
@@mccarthy5825 Absolutely,my ex was a cracking looking girl,hit me over the head with a pot once,left a dent in it(the pot).Not fecking worth it,no regrets👍
Kingsley is simply brilliant in this movie. His ferocity is unlike anything I've ever seen in film. It's scenes like this that convince me that Don was an absolute animal in the London underworld.
@@ThehulkGreen No, that was pantomime compared to this. Don is a real person having a real (scary) tantrum. Nobody in the universe is like Stansfield with his crisp suit and raggedy band of shotgun-wielding DEA agents, dropping a pinger before raiding a house and blowing away a young woman in the bath etc. There is no subtext to Stansfield, nothing below the "EEEEVVVERRRYYYONNNEUHH!"
@@ThehulkGreen As good as that performance was, I'd be more inclined to laugh at someone like Norman Stansfield. Don Logan would make my blood run cold though. He comes across as the type that would rip the eyeballs right out of your skull.
@@surindersingh724Exactly. Stansfield is just a corrupt and batshit insane pill popper. Don Logan is the human equivalent of a pit bull and someone you wouldn’t want to meet in a dark alley.
1:31 onward - the way that shot is filmed is just brilliant. Totally captures the vulnerability of Gal, with Don lurking out of shot. It makes you think Don's going to explode, especially with the ''fucking hell, FUCKING HELL...'' kicking the cupboard, but it never reaches a proper crescendo. It ramps up the tension and keeps it at maximum level until the end of the film. The whole thing is an amazing bit of film making but this one scene is so important to the overall feel of the film. It's the payoff that deliberately never pays off.
I love this guy. Actually one of my favorite movies. Laughed all the way through. Dude is totally psycho in this and pulls it off flawlessly holding up to the hollywood interpretation of someone with a severe case of ASPD.
If you look at the framing of the first shot, Don is framed in the center with a straight back posture and his head is dominant. The man who he's trying to convince is in the center of his frame, but it's a slightly wider medium frame. But Don can't convince him to do his bidding, so he has to move into the weaker man's space. This leads us to the wide shot with both of them in it. Ray Winstone stands in the center, but has a weak physical posture and is barely clothed - he's almost like a boxer in the corner of the ring on the cusp of being knocked out. Don wants to be in the center of the frame, dominant, but he can't get the weaker man to budge from his position. There's some smart camera positioning so there's a place for Don to disappear from the frame; you think Don gives up (disappears) but he keeps coming back in an attempt to convince Ray that his intentions are "professional" and to reclaim the central position. However, he can't win him over. When Don can't take the center of the frame he kicks and screams and gives up, saying that he wants to leave. When he leaves in the cab he retakes the central position. He just can't take not being the top dog - he's a narcissist. He's been rejected and he can't cope with that.
what the hell are those Grosvenor and Rowntree? I didn't undersand a thing, would you please explain in the context of the scene? I think Don says that not just one time, but in a couple of scenes.
@@vsemprivet he's supposed to go to London and stay under the name Rowntree at the Grosvenor hotel. From there he will work a bank heist, but he doesn't want to do it because he's retired. Watch the movie it's good.
Lol the way that dude just throws his head forwards screaming towards the other guys ear hole. The passive acting just makes this scene remarkable. In real life that would be some fucking true skill of self control, even kicking your own kitchen cupboard doors and demanding you call a taxi.... the level of nerve here is off the charts lol
What else could you do though? Don is a total psychopath, probably a killer and the other character despite bieng physically bigger is terrified of him. He probably felt lucky smashing his kitchen up was all he did before leaving. Later he comes back to kill them all.
Kingsley is incredible in this scene. Hilarious. Kingsley is the most unimposing, unlikely villain going. He played Gandhi FFS!! But he's so outrageous in this he pulls it off perfectly. Insinuendos :D
Watched this for years. Only recently did it occur to me: look at Ray Winstone's body language. Like a submissive animal who knows not to make eye contact with the dominant male. A scared child staying completely still. Ray winstone is equally genius in this.
Kingsley has never been better before or after. Astonishing performance. Along with McShane - who again, has never been better before or after. A remarkable moment in any film. Both men did their best work - together, once. I cannot think of another time in film history where this has happened. Before or after. It's a truly rare event.
Agreed. This sort of bloke always starts off where he last left you. So if your 57 and bump into him in Harlow, Essex, he wants to talk to you like it’s Stratford shopping centre in 1975. When I reflect back, I was always in a state of fear and this film reminded me of that. Ultimately, I was madder than Don because I was black and had no choice but I was always scared.
Fuck, I’ve got to watch this acting masterclass again sometime soon. Reminds me of the sadist PE teachers we had at school. Barking at us to kill ourselves playing rugby for the school. Looking back we ended up invincible.
Trivia Critics have praised Ben Kingsley's performance as Don Logan, acclaiming that his performance feels frightening enough to permanently vanish all thoughts of Ghandi from people's mind. Kingsley said in an interview that he based his performance as Logan in part upon his late grandmother.
A very scary performance from Sir Ben ... Along with Joe Pesci in Goodfellas I find him really quite frightening...what a talent and what an actor ... equally brilliant at comedy...Sir Ben and Sir Michael Caine as Homes and Watson in Without a Clue are a joy and wonderfully funny.
This was a terrible part for Kingsley. Totally over acted and non believable... He does however, but not for this performance, piss all over Pesci. They aren't even in the same conversation. Pesci just plays Pesci. He's massively one dimensional Anyone could play the violent mindless thugs he portrayed
Dons that dude at a party when it's 6am and everyone's fucked and wants to sleep but he's raging about where he can get another bag from and trying to sort a taxi. In the kitchen screaming blue murder. Everyone's a bit scared but hanging and they just want it to end. Then his taxi arrives and everyone can bun up the weed and get some rest.
hhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ......a 'thank a taxi for that ' moment...into a 'for taxi's sake' dilemma....if you know you....wish u didn't...great comment...horrible morning situation...horrible
One of the most mental performances, literally and figuratively. Not an actor who could do this performance justice. I almost wish that they knew they'd caught lightning in a bottle before they killed him off. But again its perfect from start to end. Ian McShane played an amazing part. Was scarier in a different way. Cinema masterpiece
Your wrong. There’s another story behind this actor. I’ve grown up with Don’s in the 1970’s: the repetition, the desperation, the outlandish violence. Gary is no snowflake but he’s terrified for good reason. If you’ve ever had to fight a Don, at 9 years old, you’d never say this mate. Gary Oldman looks like he might have been around these kind of boys and men but so has Kingsley. You can’t fake the fearful rage. And real madness, as he accurately portrays has no top or bottom. It’s one of the reasons why it’s terrifying to be around.
Although there may be an element of truth in it, I can’t help feel Gal was looking for a way out and that by suggesting he was here for alternative reasons he knew it would change the subject.
Wouldn’t it be great if Graham Rowntree (Ex-England Rugby Player) had a function on at the Grosvenor Hotel which he really didnt fancy going to and one of his friends phoned him up with the “yes Rowntree yes Grosvenor” line 😂😂
Don. Everything points to this being a convergence of the worst parts of him and the worst parts of his life. He seems to have parameters, given he's the employee of a ruthless crime boss who takes no shit. Begbie has no parameters. He's a fucking lunatic. There is no algorithm around dealing w him no matter what or who you are.
Ben Kingsley in a shattering performance. Who could compete with that? Winstone is brilliant as the ex-con who just wants the quiet life but is reduced to a stuttering wreck by the mere mention of the name Don Logan. “I told Teddy you’d do the job, don’t you show me up!” That line with its playground mentality always makes me laugh, followed by the “fuckin’ ‘ell! Fuckin’ ell!” complete with booting of Gal’s kitchen drawer.
and kingleys change of face when winston says this is about jackie is acting that probably hasnt been matched throughout over a hundred years of film production
