YES, Sony Picture Profiles DO Change Raw Photos!

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Providing proof that the Gamma setting in Sony Picture Profiles does in fact affect the way Raw images are developed in Lightroom & Capture One.
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@stalman 5 лет назад

Gammagate

@marvinbeatz6266 5 лет назад

😂😂😂😅drama for nerds

@69_MK 5 лет назад

LOL

@C8Supercar 5 лет назад

Thank you so much for this video. I was doing some tests with my A7iii, and I couldn't figure out why some photos looked different in RAW when playing with picture profiles. After some googling, I was convinced I was going crazy until I found your video. Thanks again!

@sportyjen62 2 года назад

so grateful for this channel! I was filming an event in slog3 and switched to stills and was so confused as to why the Lightroom preview was so different from the in camera photo. This was incredibly helpful.

@DillonMark 3 месяца назад

Thank you for covering this info for photography and not just video settings like so many others!

@jacubgomez1337 5 лет назад

Ur killing it bro. U pass on so much advanced photo/ vid knowledge and I seriously learn something new in every video💪🏼💪🏼

@geraldundone 5 лет назад

Thanks, Jacob! Means a lot.

@clickawaymedia9131 5 лет назад

Just came across your channel recently (due to it featuring in one of Jeven's Q&A videos) and I must say, you are the PERFECT balance of geeky and entertaining. I love how you go into details about common misconceptions and explain it in a detailed but fun way!! Been catching up on some of your older videos... but just wanted to say... GREAT WORK GERALD!!!

@geraldundone 5 лет назад

Thanks so much! Happy you checked out the channel. Appreciate it. Cheers!

@GeraldBertramPhotography 5 лет назад

Even though I don't have a Sony camera I still liked to watch this video just to make my brain hurt a little

@geraldundone 5 лет назад

Haha. Thanks for doing so!

@JonPais 5 лет назад

Bertram Photography I don’t shoot stills but watched to the end. 😂

@oscargilbalaguer5178 4 месяца назад

I do have an a6400 and my brain hurts bad also

@drafeirha 5 лет назад

i really love that this channel covers very niche topics. the info you provide can be found nowhere else

@geraldundone 5 лет назад

Thanks, Steve! Appreciate it.

@skymakai1486 5 лет назад

Just when I thought I you had explained it all... You clarify a super important topic! Now I'm curious about shooting stills in HLG and what zebra setting to use.

@JasonMorrisphotocinema 5 лет назад

Thanks gerald. Top notch work as per usual! One request for another video since you're smart and noone else seems to have reported this. How much quality difference is it shooting in 4k full frame mode than 4k in super35/crop mode on the a7iii. I cannot find a video or anyone saying their results other than "little to no difference" thank you in advanced and absolutely love your work

@geraldundone 5 лет назад

Thanks, Jason! Appreciate it. And thanks for the suggestion.

@hangseng2876 5 лет назад

Yes, that is very true. Also already did these tests on my own a half year before and I just wondered why many sources say photes would not be influenced by Picture Profiles. So when I was on vacation I had to switch the Picture Profile all the time when I wanted to take photos and when I wanted to record a video. Nice work and comparison here.

@yosefortez4009 Год назад

I can confirm this. Gerald saved me after watching this video, after turning off picture profile my photos are so much better now!

@HeathMcKinley 4 года назад

Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this but what you showed is how I understand that Fujifilm uses their Dynamic Range 200%, 400%, Auto & DR Priority modes. Applying a tone curve to shadows & highlights at different ISO settings. It’s good for people who shoot JPEG only, using the Cine Gamma for example opens up the shadows and can help avoid crushed blacks. But it comes at a cost to RAW image data being manipulated too. Great to see it being shown so clearly!

@Secengineerinthewild 5 лет назад

Hey Gerald, your videos are very informative and well thought out, they have definitely helped me get a deeper understanding of my camera. keep up the good work.

@geraldundone 5 лет назад

Thanks for letting me know that! I'm really glad. Appreciate this.

@lowcodemagic 5 лет назад

I just did some testing on this. So it's interesting - I wouldn't say it "reduces noise" as much as you seem to gain about 2/3 of a stop of light if you shoot in HLG3 Gamma. So essentially your 51,200 ISO goes a little bit further than it would in the stills gamma. I compared my results and the noise is the same at both ISOs when properly exposed, but you have to essentially compensate more in Still than in HLG3. Awesome find!

@lonceyswildcairns333 Месяц назад

Thank you so much for sharing this info 😊❤

@marcomark8 4 года назад

Excellent job of making a very complex subject easy to understand.

@hurryupnwait9887 4 года назад

Thanks Gerald. Great video. I noticed the changes in Picture Profiles in Raw too, but I thought I was just nuts! :)

@pjl5451 3 года назад

Hi Gerald thanks for the great video. i've been shooting raw on sony camera's for a while i have the Sony a7iii and the Sony A6600 i just shot a video using these cameras and when i went back to shooting photos i notice that my pictures didn't look the same and i thought it was me. But this week i got a call from one of my clients commenting the the quality didn't look the same. So i went thru all my settings and the only setting that was changed was the picture profile settings but i couldn't prove that was the problem till i came across your video. Thanks again!!

@37Dion 5 лет назад

Kasey really likes your Channel and I do too now. Thanks man I’m subbing you your straight to the point and honest and easy to listen to. Informative and entertaining that’s your value and that’s what I need

@geraldundone 5 лет назад

Thanks a lot! That's really kind. Happy you subscribed. Look forward to future comments. Cheers!

@artsvanberg 5 лет назад

That's amazing! I've noticed that it looks funky sometimes, but I've never really bother to test it 😅 thanks for letting us know 🤩🙏 related to the picture profile thing is when you switch between e-shutter. It will display the picture profile when the setting is on. But I don't think that will effect the information.

@dopamining7621 5 лет назад

Fascinating. This reminds me of a video I watched by another thorough youtuber who demonstrated that the picture profiles impact the behavior of the in-camera histogram, which indirectly affects the raw file because the shooter adjusts the aperture/shutter/iso settings to manage the change he/she sees on the histogram.

@hautehussey 5 лет назад

dopamining yes. Some settings actually change the amount the camera itself will meter, so it can have a slight change even though the raw itself won’t.

@humbertoarteaga3858 5 лет назад

thank you for putting so much knowledge on your videos!

@GavinDavidson 5 лет назад

Thanks dude. My go to channel for learning everything technical. Shot!

@geraldundone 5 лет назад

Cheers, Gavin!

@GlennZucman 4 года назад

Amazing! Thank you so much for doing all the research and presenting it to us!!

@romeoromeoart 4 года назад

Great info. thanks. So then would you recommend RAW photographers should leave the PP alone or are there recommendations for low light, sunny/flat day, etc?

@geraldundone 5 лет назад

I wonder how many times I said: "It's exactly the same!" 😜😂

@efferoconsultingabprojects3500 5 лет назад

What is the practical use of changing the gamma for stills? Can you please follow up?

@geraldundone 5 лет назад

I'm not sure at the moment. Personally I've just been using the stills gamma this whole time and been quite happy. Some people are saying you can manipulate it to get a less noisy image, but I haven't tested.

@insanejughead 5 лет назад

To answer your original question, it is equal to the likes that that comment got...

@officialtiimo 5 лет назад

@@geraldundone Could you test the differences for your next video? Love your content, it's so informative :)

@Verschlussbyosama 5 лет назад

Hey Gerald can you please tell me when Sony raw picture overexposes? What should I set my zebra to like I set it at 107+ for slog2. At zebra does a6500 raw picture reach its clipping point?

@rbrtmllr 5 лет назад

Appreciate how you stick to the facts and avoid the assumptions. You got my subscription. Thank you.

@geraldundone 5 лет назад

Thanks, Robert! Happy to have a new subscriber. Cheers!

@orlancarillo7047 4 года назад

Thanks a lot Gerald! This is very helpful and informative video.

@exploiting_light 5 лет назад

Thank you for explaining this! Ive been trying to figure out why my photos dont look the same as they do on the back of the camera. I did extensive research on this camera and no one ever mentioned the profile settings dont affect raw photos. :/

@UNPRECEDENTEDPICTURES Год назад

Thanks for this video! The best "fix" that I found is to change the camera profile to Camera SH in the Lightroom Develop module.

@luminousdreams8405 5 лет назад

Man you are incredible. I learn so much by your each and every video. keep it up.Hope you will blow up soon. Love from India.

@geraldundone 5 лет назад

Thanks so much! Really appreciate this comment. Cheers from Canada!

@hzubovi1 5 лет назад

Thank You for this video. Do different gammas have different dynamic range?

@-grey 5 лет назад

I used to custom set the PP settings deep in the menu to get my own style of grade or film simulation straight into the raw file. That’s my favourite thing about Sony.

@stalman 5 лет назад

Maybe I missed it, did you mention if these are compressed or uncompressed raw?

@geraldundone 5 лет назад

I didn't, but they are uncompressed. Good question!

@zomgonzo 5 лет назад

I saw that they are 47 MB and suspected that means no compression. Compressed ones fromy my A7ii are about 25 MB :)

@tigerheaddude 5 лет назад

zomgonzo is the raw compression lossy or lossless?

@stalman 5 лет назад

@@tigerheaddude It's lossy-sh :)

@zomgonzo 5 лет назад

It's lossy but if you don't do really extreme editing the loss is negligible IMO.

@ericcecil6817 5 лет назад

Dude, awesome stuff. I was just explaining to someone the other day how it doesn't matter shooting raw. Guess I was wrong. That's the beauty and frustration of the craft all at once. There's always something new and exciting to learn, but that fact also means we're perpetually ignorant. Thanks for the great content!

@geraldundone 5 лет назад

Thanks, Eric! I sympathize with that seeing how I was just guilty of it myself. 😃

@eliasmenasse2837 Год назад

old but great video thanks ! I´m getting some picture changes when I import in LRC how do you get LRC to see the most untouched when import ?

@jonathonbellstudios7301 5 лет назад

When you change gamma, did the exposure value change on the internal meter? For example, cine1 looks brighter, was it reading higher on the meter?

@yungchowz4639 5 лет назад

Finally found the video I needed, thank you on this solid content 👍🏽

@evilboz 5 лет назад

Thanks a ton for this. Very helpful and informative.

@BoyBlessing 4 года назад

So will S-Log2 gamma have more dynamic range than Cine 1 when shooting Raw? Also, which gamma has the lease noise? Great video btw

@attorianzo1 3 года назад

Do you think this apply to Sony a7iii as well? I have a picture profile for my videos on daylight and another one for low light. Should I probably make other specific picture profiles just for photos? This means that I should create custom buttons to switch quickly through the profiles...

@jaysvlog9803 3 года назад

Well this answered a lot of the questions I had but when you shoot in log do you get more dynamic range? I feel like I get more colors shooting at minimum iso 800 a7riii

@divisiona3974 5 лет назад

Learn something new every day, right? Thx for this, Gerald.

@geraldundone 5 лет назад

Sure do! Thanks for the comment.

@simonstoeckl 3 года назад

Thanks Gerald. I'm wondering, what happens using the electronical shutter as you can't use picture profiles then.

@jmeffex3 5 лет назад

Such a great channel! Easy subscribe.. thank you for the videos! Super helpful!

@geraldundone 5 лет назад

Thanks, Jonathon! Appreciate the subscribe. Look forward to future comments!

@NYCTimescape 4 года назад

Really helpful -- thank you so much for doing this!

@ThePandaPhotographer 5 лет назад

Thank you G.U for doing this and getting the message out there

@Christina_De_Melo 2 года назад

Hi Gerald! I always shoot in PP10, as that's the profile I use for video, so I just stick with it for stills. Now I'm worried it's been creating more noise in images? Is it better to leave PP off for stills? What is the practical conclusion of your amazing findings. My brain needs you to hold my hand to the practical repercussions of this for developing still images.

@2lyke 5 лет назад

Great video. What is the gamma to use for the best image quality?

@alexboyd1482 5 лет назад

Always covering interesting an useful topics! Great work.

@geraldundone 5 лет назад

Thanks, Alex.

@xaropevader7329 6 месяцев назад

Does it make better to collor grade on picture profile 07(s-log 2) for instance? I'm confused, ty.

@HomesteadingintheForest 3 года назад

Gerald, I was putting together a night sky motion lapse with my a7s iii and had it set to slog3. Since I hadn't shot many stills with the camera, I figured like anyone else would have that the picture profile didn't have any impact on the raw files. In camera the stills had the neutral washed out look of slog3 and a histogram to match, but once imported to LR the stills have been automatically given a heavy dose of contrast and darkening which also alters the histogram. Any way I can start my edits in LR from the slog3 look that the camera shows me? It seems like LR is baking in some settings and I've cycled through the basic profiles on the develop screen to no avail.

@almost_phamous08 5 лет назад

So...can this be used in a beneficial way or is it better to leave the gamma to still for photo shooting? Since still isnt a suggested video gamma, wouldn't using a flatter profile give you more to work with for photos also then?

@Michael_G._Roth 5 лет назад

New insights for me, thank you very much!

@pebmets 5 лет назад

Congrats on 40K. Not a Sony user, but all these years I thought Raw is Raw and nothing changes. The usual great thorough job.

@geraldundone 5 лет назад

Thanks, Phil! Yeah, I was definitely in the same boat.

@enonymouscontent8671 4 года назад

I need help! why whenever i take a photo in RAW, the file is only 11 mb or less? am i doing something with my settings? on sony a7s ii

@whatsupjj8619 5 лет назад

You just finished my own homework! I was planning to check if my theory is right. Literally, you just saved hours of work! You rock! Always anticipating what your topic is gonna be! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

@geraldundone 5 лет назад

Happy to help! 😃 Thanks for the comment and kind words!

@patelnandan 4 года назад

Is there a way to set a picture profile for Only Video mode and not for Photo Mode? I have noticed it that when I change the picture profile for video, photos mode switched to the same picture profile as well. I have already used the two memory buttons for my two movie preset settings so wanted a way to keep picture profile only on video and not photo so that I do not have to change it every time I switch between photo and video modes.

@hendrychan2714 5 лет назад

wondering how to keep the color profiles on Raw after importinggg... and suggestion ?

@jackeyzhu3702 4 года назад

Would you mind I ask how did you retouch your vlog? The color looks great.

@nomancave591 5 лет назад

Now to determine which gamma is "best"...

@kerembilgin6839 3 года назад

Did you find out in a year? :) I look for the one gamma which can lower my ISO:)

@nomancave591 3 года назад

@@kerembilgin6839 I'm a Fuji boy now 🤣

@chrisperrywv 3 года назад

I was wondering the same thing. Like if I shoot video in HLS or Cine- can I just leave it like that always when I shoot photos too...? Will it just develop differently but ultimately be just as developable?

@LAAM619 3 года назад

That will take years 😑

@jacopolongo5771 3 года назад

@@chrisperrywv Have you figured it out?

@Mindaugiuxss 5 лет назад

Thank YOU for explaining this stuff, I really needed this information. Thank you for this great video :)

@geraldundone 5 лет назад

You're very welcome! Happy to help. Thanks for the comment.

@paouvous 5 лет назад

It would be nice to make a video about video capture rates. I know you talked about it on another video but I think it deserves a seperate video. Like what is better and when, 8bit 4:2:2 or 10bit 4:2:0? Is there a big difference between 8bit 4:2:2 and 10bit 4:2:2? etc.

@NoobArtz 3 года назад

guys is there any way to disable that? If I switch between video and normal manual image mode the PP is still applied, which is extremely annoying as I switch between video and photo mode quite a lot, especially when there's not enough time or u forget that the pp is not applied yet and then ur nightshot is ruined...

@skypang3988 2 года назад

Thank you for your test It did help me resolve my confusion

@hudonedem8517 4 года назад

Is this when the camera is in manual ? Or also applies to priority modes?

@RockstarCinema 4 года назад

Hey so question I just shot a real estate shoot and I realized I had the picture profile set to HLG is there a way to change my Picture profile to none or am I stuck with it . It doesn’t look bad but I e never done this before.

@shelekhov 5 лет назад

Respect for taking an effort to test and investigate it. This is the only proper way for such cases instead of theories on forums. Maybe it is kinda still shifting ISO value no matter the fixed value? I don't think there is "postprocessing" before recording the raw. Might be the ISO value is recorded wrong with the raw ignoring the shift?

@geraldundone 5 лет назад

It's possible I suppose that the ISO is treated differently when you use those different gammas and that it makes your setting kind of irrelevant. I'll have to investigate further.

@theeventguru 4 года назад

So which is the best gama to leave it on to get the best out of raw images?

@timohansman6521 3 года назад

So does this mean that changing gamma settings could give me sort of more light without using higher iso (or slower shutter speed or wider aperture)?

@tykimikk8605 4 года назад

Is there an advantage.using diff gammas in shooting raw? I wish u discussed it

@hoika-fototechnik7978 3 года назад

My friend and and I did the same test today with Sony a7 iii. We got really different results on Color histogram between creative style standard and black and white ( changing back in Color later) all was testet in ps and lr - so what do u think about it

@AndrewWeller-cp5sp Год назад

Is there a way to remove the PP and get back to a "baseline" RAW once the images are on computer? I tried switching the camera profile in C1 to Adobe DNG Natural, but it seems gamma was still affected. I shot stills in PP11 and they are considerably darker than what I saw on camera screen and histogram when shooting, would like to fix before developing further. Thanks

@fmh357 3 года назад

Thank you, That was more extreme than I would have thought. Good to know.

@mdel.e9234 Год назад

thank you, shooting in raw, im confuse in standard and neutral when shooting in raw, now iknow that it all the same. thanks

@thelostwolfsjourney3136 Год назад

I shot accidentally in a slog 2 picture profile by mistake, is there any way to convert those pictures in standard Raw srgb or rec 709? Please reply ASAP.

@loonaya 3 года назад

Great video. Thanks Gerald! I was suspecting this all along but thought I was crazy and never actually tested it to prove it. I believed everyone else but me.

@natediemer1306 5 лет назад

I thought more people knew about this, I figured this out a while ago when seeing if using Slog changed my RAW files (shooting all tests at ISO 800) and when I realized it did weird things to the color I figured the rest of the gamma adjustment profiles did as well

@Protegit Год назад

So in what PP did you decide to shoot when shooting RAW? Do you still shoot in the Still gamma (default)?

@cesarfilms_ 3 года назад

how to configure the camera to my RAW photos dont change exposure when i open in photoshop?

@HagaishiSama Год назад

Was playing around messing with different picture profiles without editing them and I also noticed how under the same conditions me changing the picture profile made the image brighter as well as me changing the dro from Level 1 to level five. My question is in your opinion what would be the best picture profile for stills for you?

@Jackson_Scott Год назад

This was majorly helpful thank you sir 🙏🏼

@robokhod 4 года назад

exactly what I suspected!!! I always wondered why profiles named "Picture profiles" and not "Video profiles". The name reflects the real impact at pictures as well. I changed my PP to one with Cine2 and noticed that toning of my photos changed, especially under brighter Sun.. Wondered why and got the answer here.. Thanks Gerald for the good investigation and illustrations!

@gino-orlandini 5 лет назад

So should we shoot raw with Slog gamma for more dynamic range?

@aronfarkas4874 5 лет назад

This is great stuff, bro! Thank you!

@anthonymulcahy1166 3 года назад

Take a shot every time he says picture profile. Great video man! Love the explanation

@dennishumbla5431 5 лет назад

Can I just lower the ISO and raise the gama instead for getting more light and lower noise?

@matrixlee6392 Год назад

Now what if I want all of the PP aspects to be kept when developing the RAW? Is there a way to do this?

@vhslavpro 5 лет назад

Gerald, hello) As always, very important and interesting information!!) I have a question, maybe even a separate topic for the video)) I am shooting on Sony A7III and I would like to know if there is a difference in video quality when shooting 100fps 100Mb and 50fps 50Mb? 25fps video output

@willychanthakoummane5253 5 лет назад

My sony a7iii version 2.10 IBIS is not working even i set it manually at focal length 1000mm and half press shutter it just stay still... but i remember when it was on version 2.00 when i set steady shot manually at focal length 1000mm and half press shutter, the sensor was shaking because its try to steady the 1000mm focal length. but the problem of my a7iii with this 2.10 version is IBIS not working at any focal length. I recently noticed that in the past when i half press the shutter button the image look through lcd or view finder were less shake than not half press the shutter button. But at version 2.10 IBIS is stop working i'm not sure that it was some Bug in software... or hardware TT... please help me figure it out with your a7iii

@dennishumbla5431 2 года назад

What if I change in capture one, to no color corection so it's neutral with no Capture One thing under the different ICC profiles?

@chinfuhung 5 лет назад

This is REALLY great helpful. Thanks!

@geraldundone 5 лет назад

Cheers! Thank you.

@JacobMeza 4 года назад

Bro this was explained incredibly well! Thanks for the scientific analysis

@jackmarkham1516 5 лет назад

You are the man! I sincerely appreciate your videos.

@1lifeonearth 5 лет назад

Wait, so what gamma should we use??? for the most dynamic range? On my nikon, it was raw, with flat, what's the equivalent of this? on the back of the screen i like: Gamma: Cine1, and color mode: Cinema. looks to have the most dynamic range, at least on the back of the screen. I don't have a good understanding of 'gamma' or what that means, but you said gamma changes the raw files, and we do have to choose a gamma correct? what gamma do you choose?