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yep sounds like junk look for a different engine

Put a different type on there built same shape as briggs and them harbor fright ones

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@@Aaron-dp5kb you mean homeless-depot, yea, steer clear.

Agreed, they took the throttle by wore,off the car, but still have the carb,wait till the battery goes dead ,and a couple jump starts kills that module

Scrub isn't the only ones doing it. I believe the reason for it is that it can adjust the engine speed by itself even going through thicker or higher grass. The governor just limits engine speed, but can't ramp up the throttle when there is more load on the engine. Another feature is you don't have to run the engine full throttle all the time.

@@Discretesignals agreed,as a Briggs guy,they have fuel injection, and all electronics also, been working on for years to perfect it

They wasn't thinking about that set up! mechanical governors works very well.

bean counters maybe

I have Honda flathead and overhead valve engines that are at least 40 years old and still run like a top, well balanced, quiet and don't stink. I can't say the same about many Briggs flatheads where the oil tends to disappear without some good reason, faulty magneto ignition systems that cause the engine to misfire and incredibly stiff and brittle diaphragms that are a pain in the butt to replace. Of all of the engines I have had over the years, Kohler, Kawasaki, Honda, Tecumseh, clones and Briggs, Briggs engines gave me more grief and the age range of said engines was from the late 1960s to today.

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@@WJCTechyman The Tecumseh engine on my 58 year old Ariens sno-thro still fires up just fine. The 3.5hp Briggs on my 25 year old Murray push mower still starts just fine too and the diaphragm has only needed changing twice in all that time and it's less than a 30 minute job, literally a handful of screws and a couple of springs to get to it.

@@Rebel9668 The old stuff is tops... I just revived a seized up SC8 YARDMAN brush grinder with the Tecumseh HM80 on it. The damn thing is like new yet. My theory is some how the spark plug was either left completely out of it or water leaked past it and that cracked the head when the water in the motor froze. Then it sat seized up until I bought it like 3-4 years ago. I could not find another engine that would fit with a 1" inch crank to repower the machine so I dug into the old engine and found out it was like new inside just rusted in place somewhat. So my neighbor put the powder keg under my butt by dragging over a really rusted old YARDMAN snow thrower. That had an electric starter I put on the brush grinder motor and the head did the trick. A carb a new gas cap new air cleaner assembly head gasket and I am now putting it all back together rust coating parts too. The machine is in fabulous shape for its age so its gonna stay that way as long as I am alive. As far as I am concerned that old stuff is solid gold to me. When people drop stuff off here telling me what junk it is and they really don't want nothing for it that I can just have it. That puts a big ole smile on my face. It don't stay junk for long most of it either helps revive another machine or it gets put back together even better than the factory made it.

unless you have a compression release mechanism on the cam, in which case it will wear out and break and throw itself into the aluminum crankcase cover and crack it, thus leaking oil onto the lower shaft pulley and all over the belt and inside of the mower, where you will have to spend all day cleaning it and then have someone weld the crankcase crack, buy a new cam, and spend another day putting it all back together.

This is the perfect solution to this overpriced, worthless crap

Seems this isn't the first engine Scrub Cadet used that liked to self install inspection ports in the engine block.

@@grominwithrob1339 I had one here last summer in August the thing blew up so violent part of the bottom of the hood was missing. The center of the rod cap came off the bolts and the rest of the rod cap was there on the bolts. It appears it ricocheted off the bottom of the deck pulley or belt and was spit back up at high velocity. That was the owners idea he had a guy where he worked at that had an old Scrub mower with a big Briggs V Twin which dropped right in and that was what I had on hand was a like new used throttle cable here. Which I still have no idea even now what it was even off of but I made an aluminum metal mount for the cable over that hole epoxy and rivets and I was done. Took me most of the afternoon routing the fuel hose getting the Briggs motor running again. That motor took a new carb and fuel pump. The other part was the belts fitting them to the PTO drive pulley was a diff size as was the OEM motors crank I think was 7/8th but all I remember was using the Briggs PTO and running 4 trips till I got the right belts. I know I used the Briggs PTO and drive pulley and the stuff was diff size than the Scrubby stuff. But the conversion worked and as a favor to the owner I put a piece of decent tape under the hood with the new belt sizes on the piece of tape. He handed me the $550 with a $50 tip. He said he was not about to whip out the credit card with Joe Bite Me in office and buy the same junk over again. He said my price was deal compared to even considering making the same mistake over again.

Good info!

No doubt. My trim mower and rider are mid-70's vintage. Take care of them, do your maintenance, keep them clean and out of the weather when not in use and they'll outlast us.

This is why when I see 60s-90s garden tractors with a manual transmission on Facebook I grab them for parts to keep my old ones going. I have 4 vintage tractors that are all metal, cast iron transmissions, & some of them are 40-50+ yrs old, & still driving. Maybe not the same engine, but driving excluding that.

It is just these lower end models.

@@andrea4809 I don't know why people tend to talk about the "good ol' days" when you look at newer equipment and even cars, they last much longer with much higher reliability than cars from back in the 1970s, especially when the Japanese entered these areas and blew away the likes of GM, Chrysler and Ford and continue to do so, I don't need to worry about my newer OHV engines braking down and trying to chase parts like I would have with Briggs or other North American made flatheads, Honda is the prevalent name in my shed and also some Honda clones as well as Echo. Taryl has a serious negative bias of anything MTD and I have found PowerMore engines relatively easy to work on and reliable as my Cub snow blower has a 420cc beast that starts the first time every time and has enough power to make snow work relatively painless. Now, when it comes to power equipment, there are various grades and even back in those "good ol' days" there was crap and there was good, well made stuff. Like back then, you just have to know where to look. I know Taryl actually uses products from the parent company of MTD as I see DeWalt and other similar tools. He even uses Milwaukee, a brand that is owned by the Chinese conglomerate that owns Hoover and Dirt Devil, among other brands, Techtronic Industries. He even gave a positive review on a Toro snowblower with a recall notice while I have yet to see that with my Cub snow blower.

That goes the same for cars and trucks nowadays I have a 1994 sivarado

Don't you think she would look better on a super 7?

What was it Bill Murray said again??? "...I gotta party with this guy..."?

Hilarious!!!!!

Wouldn’t you think she will be having you over to fix her Scrub Cadet every other week?

Nice compliment to an ex 😝

You would think that with the way things are these days that any company would want to do things as cheap as possible, this thing makes no sense at all.

switching things to electric leads to it being remote controllable... @@cujoedaman

The electronic module eliminates the internal governor. Do you think it’s cheaper to repair an internal governor or that electronic module? That module is $66, how much do you think an internal governor repair is on a plastic gear Kohler single or a plastic Kawasaki twin governor?

@@scottp2462 I never saw a governor break. But I bet the electric stuff will be hard to find in the future.

@@mrutherford8590 I agree the electronics may be harder to find. It’s price is reasonable as of this video. I’ve had to replace a governor on a Command CV15 single and a Kawasaki FR twin. Replacing internal components is time consuming for a DIYer and expensive to have replaced at a shop. The Kohler governor was $40 and hours of work. The Kawasaki governor was over $100 and hundreds more for a shop to do the repair as it’s above my skill set. I elected to replace the motor. I’d gladly pay $66 for an electronic module.

Looks like there wasn't no gas in the tank

See you have a few good looking deeres in there

Melt the whole machine and build the decent one of that material.

What do you think about the Kohler courage engines? I heard they are shit.

Briggs & Honda when ever possible 👍@@bobbygetsbanned6049

True. And most guys don't understand it's the incredibly FINE PARTICLES, the microscopic particles that plug a filter, and that crap CAN NOT BE BLOWN OUT !!!!!! That's why they're called 'disposable' filters. Throw the damn thing out and put on a new one !!!!!

Most of my equipment I'll buy 4 air filters at a time. Usually you will find them selling cheaper the more you buy. I have a cub cadet self propelled mower ,and for some reason the mice will chew up the precleaner and air filter and use it to make a nest some place else .this year I'm going to try some window screen . If that doesn't work over the winter ,I'll remove the filter next year.

@@santaclause2875 When you've blown out like a hundred or so, you can tell if the old paper is letting enough air through or if its blocked/blocking on all vehicles.

Ya think they mow Dirt? 😂😂

thank you, likewise.

You as well !

Had a ltx1050kw. The transaxle failed. No parts avaliable. Transaxle obsolete with no way to repair the tractor. Total waste of money.

Charlie-Foxtrot... That's what I think about it.

They're having to meet emission standards.

@@woodstover Think the EPA should go and dig out some more gold mines.....

I unrated the first fuel injected tractor in 1989 ! A JD285 w/ kawasaki v-twin, and it would crank but not start, I had to trouble shoot it with no books, killed half a day to find a ground wire pulled out of an eyelet.

Golf carts have EFI systems. The weak link is the high pressure fuel pump - they don't like gas additives and ethanol gas.

So did chevy and gm cars and trucks now look at them

So don't the ford lineup of vehicles

Yes. Back when International Harvester owned the brand.

Poor scrub cadet hasn't been any good since More Trash Daily got them.

I have a 115 gallon fuel tank in the back of my pickup. I get 93 octane ethanol free and it's a few cents more than reg unleaded. I use it in all my small engines and my vintage Mustang. It even smells better than ethanol tainted fuel.

I wonder and air filter plus a sleeve on top of it, isnt a bit too much.

Rough to do without a governor assembly within the engine

i had a couple of cub cadets...... IH built, actual international harvester cub cadet...... bulletproof, but ancient.

Didn't you see a couple videos ago Taryl HAD a 318 W/onan he sad it was huge money pit. I'll never let anything Green on my property again. Huge Money Pit!!

My 318 was destined for a dumpster because the inept owner did not do regular maintenance, the repairs it needed got done, nothing that a reasonably intelligent yahoo could accomplish, the Onan engine is a stupid easy and cheap engine to work on and get running correctly, now the 318 is a rock solid reliable machine.

Same. It is definitely sampling and saving the engine rpm based off of spark and throttle plate position and sees the reduction from a load the plate still in the same position, but is there also a tiny MAF?!

Whatever it is we should be thankful that they eliminated that pesky unreliable throttle cable... :) @@pgmurray76

Sold a riding mower to a neighbor. I heard him start it up and heard it spuddering. He left the choke on for a very long time. He later told me it filled his shop with smoke before he figured it out. I don’t like anything more complicated than it needs to be, but I have seen several people leave on the choke mowing the yard.

Suprised any company is investing in gas technologies. Who cares what the gas engine companies do anyway? The government is going to bury these gas engines with electric battery equipment. I am not happy to see forced electric take overs myself. Prefer freedom of choice.

Actually most of these China engines run FAT, very dirty, not a Honda, it's a Clone. The Electronic Governor (this throttle control) monitors engine speed and gives more throttle position to Stepper Motor to increase or reduce, as engine speeds up or slows down to maintain the RPM. That's it, Real Simple. Works great till it gets gummed up and dirty, then needs cleaning. Eventually the Stepper Motors will fail. This is the same/similar setup to all Inverter Generators with an "Eco" throttle mode where they idle down under light loads and speed up under heavy loads. Turning off Eco Throttle does not put the engine at max throttle, it puts it at max RPM, and the Electronic Governor "gives it more gas/throttle position" as load increases to maintain Max RPM. This stuff is all really simple, and has it's uses, but does it belong on "just some dude's" lawnmower that has no idea what a stepper motor is? Probably not.

Well said. :)

He has the Midas touch

Yes

I’d like to know how many homeowners can’t change their own air filters or spark plugs.

@mmarciniak I'd say most well, most of the ones that actually mow their own yard. I live next door to 2

@@catfishchucky3988 Not where I’m from. The community I live in, the homeowners and residents in general are quite handy with yard and farmstead equipment.

It's not an engine computer. It's simply an Electronic Governor control. The reason it has to have a good filter is because these China engines run FAT right out of the box, very rich, dirty. So any decrease in airflow is going to foul the sparkplug eventually, especially the Torch junk sparkplugs. WHY they run rich is more the question. Probably because to reduce the risk of it getting too lean and burning out prematurely, it's a better calculated risk to tune the carb jets from the factory to be a little on the rich side, since there are no O2 sensors, No MAP, no MAF, no computer to control the fuel, it's still a hole drilled in brass, carb jet on this engine, it just has an electronic module that controls the throttle (and choke! which could stick if dirty Taryl should have cleaned it!) on the carb via stepper motors. The module monitors the engine RPM, there are a couple different methods to monitor this, so not sure which one this uses, the module attempts to replace the need for a mechanical governor in the engine by simply controlling the throttle position to give more or less throttle position (via the stepper motors on top of carb) to maintain the "set" (by hand control on dash) throttle position\RPM. All Inverter Generators (at least those with an "eco" type throttle position) use these. Most likely ALL Inverter Generators (that everyone loves mind you) use this type (or very similar) Electronic Governor control system.

@@mmarciniak You'd be suprised lol

The automatic choke was an EPA push because people would leave the choke on and pollute the air letting their lawnmower run rich for 30 minutes

@@steveb3885 Nonsense. That's just what they tell you. It's all just a means to an end.

@@steveb3885 Thas's usually impossibe, the engine will choke out in seconds not minutes.

They think they can save $1.98 on each unit sold.

Have you ever seen Honda's inverter generators? The same technology is used on some of them that is used on this engine. Heck, its top of the line EU7000is uses fuel injection. Parts for them are quite a bit more expensive. He also fails to note that the engine is made by the same company that makes Champion's engines, a company he has relatively high praise for even though it still doesn't quite measure up to Honda standards. That said, I do like Champion generators as they are fairly quiet and reliable.

"Conspiracy theorist"? You mean anyone with their eyes open?

@@johnsmith7676 No he means the entitled ignorance of the uneducated ameritard...

It does seem like NGK is the gold standard.

@@ItsMrAssholeToYou my Dodge, the Harley, and all of my mowers/generators/ tiller....all have them now

The only problem with NGK anymore is that they're desirable enough to drive a knock-off industry that makes a visually identical product. To avoid fake NGK's I have to be careful where I purchase them.

@@rbarr775 always get them from my parts dealer

Well I have my 35 yr old snapper and it still cuts and runs great I will not get rid of it, Never

Cub Cadet is owned by MTD Products. In 1981, MTD acquired Cub Cadet from International Harvester

Further, MTD Products is an American manufacturer of outdoor power equipment for the mass market. Headquartered in Valley City, Ohio, the company began in 1932 and is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Stanley Black & Decker. Prior to Stanley Black & Decker's acquisition in December 2021, MTD Products was a majority family-owned, private company. It originated as a tool and die maker (Modern Tool and Die Company). MTD's main competitors are Stihl, Ariens, Briggs & Stratton, John Deere and Husqvarna. Over the years, MTD acquired the Troy-Bilt, Bolens, Cub Cadet, Craftsman (owned by its minority partner), and Yard-Man brands and/or companies. MTD Craftsman mowers utilize the Sears "247" model prefix Source: Wikipedia

They market this electronic crap for Millennials and yuppies that know nothing about lawn equipment. Sounds good to these over educated idiots so they go for it.

How many hours are on it?

I bought it new in 2020. I have approximately 98 hours on it now.

I hate to break it to you, but you got ripped off out of over $3,000 for a Chinese-made lawnmower with an American name. MTD cuts so many corners to reduce costs as they have no problem with the customer having to replace the product.

Sorry Tyler but I don’t know where you are coming up with $3000! I purchased mine brand new in 2020 from Home Depot ( last one on the shelf ) and for an additional $90 had it delivered crate and all to my residence. I paid around $1700 in total! I just looked at a brand new 2024 model yesterday at my local farm and fleet store and they had it tagged at $2200! For $3000 it should hopefully mow by itself! 😂

And, keeping them out of the weather does wonders to keep rust at a minimum!

Yeah, the old TBI I carburators.

@@TheJuan72 Nope, they weren't TBI. They were traditional carbs, just with some electronics slapped on. TBI is a form of fuel injection. Throttle Body Injection.

Throttle Body Injection!

A "Predator" from HF is an EXCELLENT (Honda clone) engine at extremely LOW price!

​@TheOzthewiz just checked HF and not seeing a bigger vertical shaft Predator.

For me that price would warrant a rewire with a regular key switch and couple of indicator lights. From looking at wiring diagram it looks like there is nothing "smart" past the switch, only sensors and solenoids, so it would run just the same. It's not like a modern car where a separate module has to 'approve' the key that's being used.

@@AgentWest I don't know about you, but I am waiting for the next "big thing" in small engine products..................transponder "key fob" and push button start, with 'E-brake" of course!! LOL

@@TheOzthewiz Shush! Don't give them ideas. lol On second thought, may be a handy thing for stationery work-site equipment. "Getting dark? Click on the key fob and lights come on from a nearby generator" -kind of thing. May be useful for those tiny camping generators as well.

Just need to find an old mower for cheap,fix it up and keep it running until gas mowers become illegal

I know they said that, but there's Inventory out there... If folks vist a Dealer and buy one, I wouldn't be surprised if they put them back into production. Briggs bows to the EPA, but demand trumps all ~

The newer simplicity mowers are crap too.

@@rwtrwt-ju9fk Doesn't matter, so long as they're less "crap" than everything else ~

I didn't realize that "Simplicity" mowers were discontinued!

Stihl makes an EFI chainsaw. The 500i

overcomplicated junk

@@M.TTT. So, has your car ever had a serious breakdown like they did in the 50s, 60s or 70s? Do you have to rebuild carburetors on modern cars now? Do you have to rebuild the engine after a few thousand clicks? I haven't seen this on any modern car, so why it has taken so long to do this to power equipment seems like a lazy excuse.

@@WJCTechymancar is designed and manufactured completely differently, not even remotely comparable.

Gas Direct Injection will increase efficiency and power output!

I’ll never buy a Cub again no Chinese engines for me!

@@urbanitesgarage3299 Cub still sells consumer models with Kawasaki V-twins. Gotta buy them at a Cub dealer not the big box stores.

​@urbanitesgarage3299 only the entry level ones have the Chinese engines. The larger machines do tend to have the Kawasaki engines fitted.

John Deere already does that. Have you seen its agricultural equipment? It's panelled in plastic. It also locks you into its proprietary systems.

Considering they manufacture the majority of consumer based lawn equipment, why should they care? This is what happens when a corporation has the monopoly and they have zero competition.

The feeling is mutual. There ought to be a law against them IMO.