I was just thinking about Goblin the other day. Like what are his actual, fleshed out motives? His biggest one just seems to be "be a dick to Spider-Man". I think that's what prevents a lot of Spidey villains from being as engaging as, say, Batman villains; the lot of them are more of a threat to Spider-Man than they have been to New York.
@@jedihunter176 It reminds me of an actual passage from a comic issue when Venom were boastfully venting avout his machinations against Spiderman toward Wolverine by "making his life miserable" , from which the latter merely dismissed it by telling them that Peter Parker's life has always been a tragedy and that having Venom tormenting him is just another casual week, prior adding up that he got himself snatched in two by Hulk last week ago.
0:40 You know, that’s actually a good point. By the time this scene in the movie took place, the plot had gone from the usual “Villain has a plan that the hero must stop” to “How do I stop this madman before he gets another crazy idea in his head?” In terms of evil plans…yeah, no, Goblin actually won.
The latest (and arguably best) Batman movie (The Batman) is the same way. The Riddler totally won. Every part of his plan worked, the only thing he missed is that he mis-interpretted Batman's intentions. But he succeeded with every other part of his evil plan. Batman totally lost the battle on all fronts (though the movie was about how he was shown to properly win the war).
@@rsrt6910batman still won, the not corrupt mayor survived , he upped his morals, saved most people and learned new techniques and ways of thinking. The riddler just caused a lot of destruction and merely scratched the surface of the corruption in the city (since the owls thing, league of assassins and new corrupt crime bossese are a thing)
In the original comics, Norman wasn't even screwed over by his board of directors--he was well-set, very successful, and only really became a criminal because he was bored and wanted to be the boss of the criminal underworld. The Green Goblin's original motivation for killing Spider-Man was as a way to prove himself to mobsters. Failing that, he wanted revenge on Spider-Man... for foiling his initial attempt to kill Spider-Man. So yeah, Norman just wants to kill people.
@@_somerandomguyontheinternet_ I mean you're not wrong, there's literally a movie about the Italian senate accepting that they'll be killed during WW2 so they set out to satisfy every vice and urge they can think of. Spoiler alert. It's mostly raping and torturing women children for shits and giggles.
And his first diabolical scheme? Tricking Spider-Man with a Hollywood movie deal. Crazy thing is, Peter genuinely believed that weird green troll riding a flying broom telling him this at first.
This feels weirdly like something Spidey would actually do just to throw goblin off. Take him completely seriously, agree to his crazy plans, then start criticizing said plans until it escalates back to "lalalala, you're fucking weird, dude!"
2:04 I pissed myself laughing cos at 20 years old after watching this movie a thousand times I never recognised That green goblin has zero ambition or goal, he’s just killing people
Yea he basically deconstructed why spiderman and green goblin duo would never work in a comedic fashion. I forgot this scene even happened in the sam raimi movies.
I'm glad that Spiderman referenced the fact that in all the bad guy goals in fiction, you know, they never really seem to mention the fact that there are some real-world aspects to their world domination agenda. They always want power and control, but you know, the day to day aspects of being the one in charge of a modern society carries with it a lot of requirements and boring administrative work. Doesn't seem like something a glory hound would be interested in. I suppose he could always put his lieutenants in charge but you know as Spidey said, in this case Green Goblin doesn't really have any lieutenants.. so yeah like kind of how would that work?? I feel like not enough bad guys recognize and acknowledge this and I got to thank Spider-Man for doing so. That's very intelligent and common sense of him. Oh sure they could totally take over, but like... I mean what then amirite??
At some point, a lot of villains in fiction are going to realise this, so let me propose a (lazy) solution: be like the Goths. When you successfully invade Rome, there's no point destroying everything - all that architecture's so nice, and they have such efficient, anti-bureaucratic systems in place! Just let the old systems (minus dissenters) run, reap the benefits of being ruler, and threaten to blast anyone who attempts to dethrone you. Oh, and armed guards, etc. Can't forget them.
"Fascist, but inefficient" during Hitler's regime there was a lot of corruption in the machinations of his system because surprisingly enough trying to keep a lot of shit in line the way you want it requires LOTS of boring paperwork and tedious crap
Not _all_ bad guys, and even within the MCU the Kingpin should be a counter-example. Technically, Thanos is also an exception since his entire idea rests on the premise to disregard this kind of realism. Judging him from this point of view - however sensible it is - finds no fault in the character per se, who even planned to become a peaceful farmer after the snap, but in the whole story.
I laughed waaay too hard at 'running a city is a lot of responsibility' I've been consuming a lot of public planning content from Strong Towns, Not Just Bikes, City Beautiful and probably harbour deep longings to be a city planner so I think that's why that part got me
Not only that but the negotiations team and pr should be the best in the planet since the green goblin and fucking Spider-Man are running a fascist regime to a city they conquered
Sometimes you just want to dress up as a green goblin, fly around in a hoverglider, and kill people/turn em into skeletons. Even if you've completed your arc; Sometimes you just gotta do what makes you feel happy.
This is oddly, in-character for Spiderman. Not giving up, but like, actually hearing out Goblin's plan, considering the ramifications, even encouraging the idea of turning him into a skeleton, out of spite. Spidey is a peculiar character. Maybe they're not so different.
This actually deconstructed Goblin in the movie pretty damn well. He was so full of bullshit the whole time and really all he wanted was create mayhem just for mayhem's sake
He's like the exact opposite of the joker. Where the joker acts like his plans are chaos, the goblin acts like his chaos is planned. Dudes kind of just an idiot.
Idk, Green Goblin continuing to do evil after accomplishing his goals makes sense to me. Norman basically developed an uncontrollable alter ego after using the experimental super-serum gas who was just a complete maniac that would have continued doing evil schemes even if Norman no longer had any motive.
For some reason, I really like the idea that Spider-Man has no problem doing questionable things while he can find the reasoning behind it, heck, technically If he steals, then get's caught, but doesn't fight back and accepts all charges, isn't he taking responsability? Isn't he technically upholding it? Uncle Ben never said that he couldn't do Tax evasion, just to accept the responsability that comes with that action Edit: I honestly made this comment more as a joke, but seeing the debate in the comments, it's honestly makes me happy that people took it seriously, it's always a good thing when people share their opinion and can argue about them in a friendly way Seriously though, what does kkkk mean? Edit 2: Apparently it's a laugh, or similar, thank RU-vid comment section, I learned something new
Big brain move from Spidey: make it seem like you team up with the villain and poke out all the flaws in their schemes & morals which results in them kicking you off their team. Very well thought out.
For once, I would actually love to see the villian stumble over his words and not knowing what to say or do after the hero just up and agrees to join him without thinking that he would actually do it and now he has no idea what to do. Absolutely hilarious!
I mean, Goblin is essentially having a mid-life crisis. A very dangerous one. Y'know, some middle-aged guys buy expensives cars or date chicks half their age, Norman just wants to dress up as a goblin,fly around on a glider and blow shit up. Gotta have a hobby.
If you want a serious answer, I believe it was just power. In no way home, his line was "Strong enough to have it all, TOO WEAK TO TAKE IT". He basically wanted to take whatever he wanted with the power he already has, and teaming up with spider man, the only other super human at the time, was probably his best bet to have it all.
@@miloyoungblood7122 But still. They wouldn't have the combine power to over throw militant powers or regimes. So- not sure what Gobby was hoping for.😄
@@blackmagician7645 they're both strong enough to throw tanks, dodge bullets (hell, gobby has bulletproof armor), I do think they COULD theoretically over throw some military regimes, at least if they were to start with US and China and then proceed from there.
@@miloyoungblood7122 I just don't ever see them sleeping or having rest. If global militaries are always at their heels. And is not like they are omega level threats in their universe.
This would genuinely be a comic I'd read all jokes aside. Like, sure Joker, take over Gotham. No really, go ahead. Now what? I assume you're gonna wanna keep it? You can probably handle the crime industry, eliminate the opposition and recruit the others, but what about waste management? Yeah, you can let the toxic chemicals that turned you into the Joker run through the streets, but then everyone will die and you'll have no one to rule. What's gonna stop them from just picking up shit and moving to Metropolis? Yeah, rent is high but at least the psychopath there knows how to manage a business and was charming enough to become president. And I mean I bet you like seeing your face on the TV but who's gonna make the power when the banks are being repeatedly heisted by our defacto mayor every Sunday for shits and giggles? Plus, Joker, the minimum wage in Gotham is bad enough, now people gotta worry about literally sleeping with the fishes if their rent is late? You can't just put someone in a barrel of cod, read them a bedtime story, and expect them to show up to work the next morning like nothing's happened. And like, the international logistics alone are insane! If the Mormons couldn't convince the US government to give them a state, what makes you think a frankly vampirish Steve Harvey look alike can? What business is going to put up shop in a town where roads are blasted all to hell because last night, the mayor went on a bender and put land mines on the road and drove a monster truck over them to get some extra air? I can totally see it, Joker is just trying to get through the day without making a magic pencil go through his finance director's skull while dreaming of when it all used to be so simple. Harley has slowly lost her persona and reverted back to the serious Ph.D. Harleen Quinzel, desperately looking for money to finance the city when there isn't any. And in the end, Batman just pulls up back from his trip in the Bahamas or some sort of extra dimensional sex dungeon where Superman is actually a transvestite or some shit, expecting Joker and Harley to put up a fight but they just beg to be put back in Arkham.
Weirdly enough I believe at one point a comic was made where Dr Doom successfully took over the world, and it ended up a perfect utopia, purely because of Doom's egotism in him wanting to make a world a better place to be than Reed ever could
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"Eventually, they will hate you." "Have you even read The Bugle lately? They already hate me. They're only on my side when I save a ton of people from getting hit by a falling building or when you drop them off a bridge, and only until Jameson drags my name through the mud."
@@chillmanmax775 Jameson being Alex Jones is the MCU vision of him, but most of the time he's just a yellow journalist. Bog standard. Of course, this fails to answer the real question of "Why the fuck are people listening to J. Jonah Jameson?!", but then people take Alex Jones seriously IRL and JJJ is frankly way more rational and well-put-together than that nut.
@@karnewarrior to be fair, jjj didn’t even sell out Peter when the goblin with threatening him and was will to die for it. He ain’t crazy he just don’t trust someone with power that hides behind a mask, even if they are being helpful and saving everyone
Evil? As long as you don't harm people, I would applaud anyone breaking into a bank vault while using a hoverglider, a green globin suit and assisted by a dude that can swing around on webs like a spider while dressed in red and blue.
Man, Spiderman in this video is exactly how I start talking to myself in my dreams when it becomes lucid I remember this crazy kid with 5 knives throwing those at me as I crawled on the floor, but then I said "Where is he getting the other 10 knives?" "Why am I in the middle of a restaurant and no one finds this at least strange?" "Why is everyone having dinner if it's daytime?"
Honestly, his impression is just like Psychicpebbles Spider-Man impression. I honestly think he’s a fan since “what a peculiar character” is some straight up Zach shit
It's a bit overused (to the point of almost being a trope) but I LOVE it when good guys agree to join the bad guys prematurely and it takes them completely off guard. "Wait, what? Really? Are you sure? I mean, I had this whole speech prepared to try to convince you." It is SO funny!
Oh same. I love that so much. Especially when the hero agrees to join the villain and starts suggesting some high stakes shit that the villain is actually not comfortable with. Like the villain suddenly realizes that the hero was at his wits end the entire time and was this close to burning this city to the ground.
@@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051 One (sort of) example of this would be Joker in the Lego Batman Movie trying to convince all the other villains to join him.
I love that this points out that the only opposition that Goblin has in this arc is Spider-Man. so if Peter just up and joins him, Goblin's left without a major conflict in the plot
I know this might just be spoiling the joke a little bit, but I’m kind of imagining that Spider-Man was trying to humour Goblin, just to try and see what he has actually planned, maybe even figure out who he really is (the board comment might have been a clue). And then instantly regrets it when he realises that Gobby has no plan outside of killing people.
I like how Spider Man confronts Goblin on how he has no real plan or purpose, witch makes sense considering he is just a lunatic with money and super strenght.
This is actually kinda accurate now that I think about it. Norman as the Green Goblin really did always just want to kill people, in pretty much every version of him that I can think of, the difference was always just how much of an asshole he already was before becoming the Green Goblin.
Green Goblin's Final Smash: Turns his opponents into skeletons Spider Man's Final Smash: Shouting "You're weeeeeeeeeird" until his opponents' confidence crumbles
Pretty much.... I mean he got everything he wanted, he got revenge on everyone who wronged him, he's well off financially. That's it, it's technically over. He already achieved everything set out to do.
@@Outlaw7263 yeah, acting like a teenager. The only difference between a 50 year old going through a mid life crisis and an 18 year old is how much money they have in their bank account.
It makes you wonder: what would happen if all heroes just started agreeing with the villians in their first monologues? It would make for pretty short comics and movies...
He just puzzled about why he didn’t try like you have an op weapon and you never used it against your most powerful foe but against normal humans like huh 😂
Spider-Man is the key to all of this. If we can get him working, he's a funnier character than we've ever had before... Spider Wars The Goblin Menace Attack of the Octopus Revenge of the Sand A New Spiderman The Lizard Strikes Back Return of the Electro The Vulture Awakens The Last Mysterio The Rise of the Spiderverse
Fighting him now is gonna be real awkward. Trust me, I've been there. You go in to decapitate a guy and then you remember that one embarrassing time and it's just... Oh the bluest of fucking balls.
What do you think is a better line? Maybe "You're only an asset to them, Spiderman. They'd rather see you do what's ideal in their heads rather than be yourself! They want you to do their bidding." Idk I tried.
And, thanks to the concept of the multiverse, this is canon somewhere out there in one of the infinite realities. That always makes these things infinitely funnier to me
"you're fucked in the head dude, you're fucking bizarre" and "what a peculiar character" have no right being as funny as this. i know the voice is part of it but these are just inherently funny sentences to me. my sense of humour is ZONKED
