@@graphosencrenoir4006 Theft is still illegal. If you plan on and adhere to purchasing any given game that you've pirated as a type of "test drive" then I see no problem with piracy, BUT if your sole aim to to steal a product without offering any reparations to the developer, that just makes you a POS thief.
One of the main reasons why I don’t really “buy” games anymore. What’s the point of spending anywhere between $60 to 100 or more and investing hours if it can just be stolen from me?
this is a nonsense argument, take a movie you have say 3 hours enjoyment and pay some, a game gives much more enjoyment(to me) and you just pay a bit more.. i am happy to spend 60 on agame giving em 100 hours of fun, good deal.
"It's amazing how the people who control the industry are so incompetent at making good decisions to accomplish their objectives. They want to transition the game industry to digital and cloud gaming because it generates much more money for them, yet every day they make moves that push people away from their digital stores.
did you know steam FORCING peaople to update to windows 10+? what about OLD games steam STILL sells that do NOT work or do not work PROPERLY on windows 10+?
@@NightmareRex6Steam isn't forcing people. They just don't want to take older versions of windows into account of everything they want to update their platform, just to accommodate all 3 windows XP users. Boohoo, people with an older operating system can't run newer software. Cry me a river. Also a developer's poorly optimized game is the developer's problem not steam. Don't act like steam doesn't give refunds anyways.
The main reason everything went digital is the FACT that there is no longer a need for warehouses to store copies of physical product. It's not that the companies are out to get the consumer, it's about generating a profit in an industry that is sink or swim. Offer low prices and you won't make a profit. Charge high prices and you risk losing your customer. There needs to be a fine line between profit and expenditure. If a product isn't generating profit, then a company has every right to discontinue that product. This happens in every industry on the planet, not just games.
@@NightmareRex6 There's a reason a Required, and Recommended, System Specifications listed for each and every PC game ever sold. Just because a game looks great is no indicator that you can play it.
I used to really care about owning games and books in the best condition possible until pieces of my collection were lost, stolen, and damaged (sometimes by the consoles themselves). Now I just go with whatever is most convenient and affordable and most of the time that's digital. If I lose access to something I "purchased" i'll just pirate it if I care enough to revisit it. That's one of the reasons I switched to PC gaming a long time ago.
I guarantee the routes for piracy will be severely removed in the coming years. AI security is coming and it'll be the thing that ultimately destroys piracy on the internet with DRM that becomes impossible for any human brain to defeat.
@dagerry No, we will never have AI to do that task. AI comes down to two vital things, raw processing power and fast data storage. You will NEVER be able to compete with those systems at home because the money required would be astronomical. As would the energy bills. While there's plenty of old software floating around on abandonware sites, they are far from legal and can be shut down by the purification publishers if they desired. With more data locked behind digital storefronts, there will be less opportunities to break the encryption.
@@WebstersRU-vid Modern day games sure but only if on the box it says online required. some features can be disabled but you can still install the disc offline with no Internet and play it from start to finish at least on Ps5 but for retro games ps1 - Earily Ps3 / Xbox 360 era not a issue most games were still playable without updates or patches Disc rot can happen but its rare especially in factory sealed printed discs and not discs you buy and print yourself Like ps1 discs have very long lifespans and bluerays and 4K 's under the right circumstances can outlive several lifetimes of human being Other things like laser burn , scratches or chips in discs or system failures are for those who dont maintenance there system or equipment properly
@@WebstersRU-vid Most Nintendo Switch games come on the Cart and don't require a download. Mario Oddesy, Rabbids Battle Kingdom, Mario Party, and Mario Golf are just some examples. Most games have updates which is a totally separate problem because they no longer test the game to make sure most of the bugs are out and it runs smooth and they can push the game out faster to make the investors happy. Many games also have DLC that you can buy separately and things like that can be preserved through emulation and Piracy. Nintendo seems to be doing the best when it comes to having the whole game on cart and if the games do require an update they are very small and take less then a min. They don't have the greatest Online service and have always provide a very small hard drive which is a blessing in disguise. Going all digital also means that the 3 big gaming companies will each have a monopoly on their store front. Having a 2nd hand market for video games means you can shop for the best price.
@@BiohazardRay I don't think the Xbox 360 or PS3 had any updates other than DLC from what I remember. The first game that I remember needing an update was Madden for the Xbox one because the game didn't play correctly. I was even going to sell the game because I was like this game sucks then noticed a message that said I needed an update. At the time I thought it was the coolest thing, but then more broken games game. Luckily I play mostly JRPG games that don't require that many updates and the games come complete. You also can't monetize a JRPG game like you can with some of the other games.
@russellmania5349 first-party Switch games tend to have the whole game on the cart, but almost every third-party game has required a download. LA Noire is the first example that comes to mind.
I'm sorry but the ps5 slim's disc drive requiring internet connection just reminds me of the launch of the Xbox One... Of all the things they could have copied from Microsoft, why did they choose that?
I’ve been on the DIGITAL train ever since PS3 and realized I wasn’t really buying games when all of my licensed courses in Tiger Woods golf disappeared one day but I soon understood in order for them to reclaim them you need to update so I bought the largest hard drive available and when it was full that was it. The system is now standalone and offline I can still play everything on it but it’s never connected to the internet again if I’m in between models I just grab a new system and start over there’s always a limited version floating around somewhere I avarage about two systems a lifespan and if it’s a regular version are usually grab a Limited for the archival shelf
Everything will backed up thanks to emulation even updates so I’m not to worried about preserving. But cloud gaming scares me because then I won’t have the ability to even buy the license to a game.
Hmm, the emulation community has already saved a ton of otherwise lost games, but live service and always online games pose a challenge. Despite its cultural impact, I don't see how we can preserve live service online only titles like Fortnite, which are already unrecognisable from their original incarnations.
Copyright law literally let's us resell our owned physical games I think. A mere statement saying you cant would clearly not change that. The only way is a legally enforceable contract circumventing that or otherwise not owning it as defined by law. It might also be hard to enforce certain eulas on physical due to the way contract law in some places require formation. As for the future, we certainly need a law that don't allow contract law to circumvent around our rights. I think we need a future of preserveration of certain software.
The fact they can't even honour people's purchases with PSN store credit is baffling. Sony got the money for the content and now they've removed it without any form of compensation. I don't care how long ago these purchases were made. It's theft but because it's a license they are going to use that for justification as to why it's not illegal.
Great video. It really shows how digital is not owning anything. Physical media is definitely flawed too but its better than digital in the sense of being able to play it and not have it taken away from you.
This video sums up why I prefer playing my physical copies of old school games on old school consoles like the GameCube, PS1, PS2, and N64 more than my current gen consoles (PS5 and Switch). No need to download gigabytes worth of software, no constant updates, just insert the game in the console, set it all up, and play on.
Something a lot of people don't know, valve is the one who started the whole "You don't own your games, you pay for the subscription". Leading us to this day. However, change could have happened had the people thrown a tantrum just like they did when steam wanted to charge for mods. Though to be fair, the only to know you pay for the subscription is by reading the EULA and EULA is big and long so, you know.
I respectfully disgree about reputational damage being a factor. Every crappy corporate thing a company does will have a couple of weeks of people talking about it on RU-vid and the occasional web article, but then the next controversy will come along and be the new hot topic. Case in point, how many people give a fuck about the Unity controversy right now? How is Unity doing right now? Hell, let's look at Sony. In 2005 their audio CDs had rootkits; software that would affect operating system files and create vulnerabilities for malware to exploit. Sure as fuck didn't affect their bottom line.
I can;t speak to Sony's rootkits, first I've heard of it, but I can confidently say that the Unity controversy was massively overblown to begin with. In this case, we'd be talking games libraries individuals could have easily personally spent thousands on, so it would be pretty high stakes and generate considerable anger.
@@WebstersRU-vidOh it would, but online outrage is always fleeting. The rootkit controversy resulted in malware and spyware on a lot of people's PCs and the fact it's not relatively well known now kinda reinforces my point. Companies can have their CEOs take a shit in the street but give it a couple of weeks and the outrage will subside. Online outrage is about as effective as a boycott.
@@WebstersRU-vidin reality, it wouldn't be as sudden as a whole library. It would be the occasional publisher here and there ending their license agreement similar to this situation. These kind of changes are always slow, small, and incremental. Case in point, the online DRM activation servers for a bunch of older Ubisoft games closed down costing users access to their DLC.
@@WebstersRU-vid It wasn't overblown if you're a developer. Many won't be developing their next game on Unity and new developers will be looking at alternatives before trusting Unity with their future.
What if there was a way to own a copyright unique to an individual that could not be shared. Well you could buy a physical copy that comes with a digital copy and ownership of the digital would be independent, and perhaps you could even sell the digital version. This allows physical copies to become cheaper on the second hand market as well as digital copies. This mirrors blu-ray combo packs. This would open up third party stores to use second hand markets which would reduce the need for console servers. The problem would be making a console that could do this and getting game devs to agree to it.
If anyone ever has enough money to start a class action lawsuit, lemme know. Lost my library. Suspended permanently without notification. Appeal denied without reason provided. Customer support refused to notify me why I didn't get a notification email, or why I was even suspended.
No sympathy from me. These customers normalised the renting of games while the sensible among us saw problems with this further down the road. Own your games, otherwise you could wake up tomorrow and your rental is gone
@@WebstersRU-vid A tiny number of games have "similar trappings" the majority don't and unlike digital games... whatever he terms say, you still own your game because it isn't tied to an account.
I don't know if PlayStation operates differently from Microsoft but with Series X I really don't have any complaints. Some games I have the disc while others are digital, but there are some older games that have delisted, such as Left 4 Dead 1 and 2, Fear, Mortal Kombat 9 and a few other. However, as long as you can find a disc copy on the internet, it still downloads the game from the Microsoft server, as long as the game was backwards compatible. According to Microsoft, if you still own the disc you still technically own the license. This is going to be a big problem for next-gen consoles if they remove hard drives and they are already saying they will.
they even do it with online things like runescape genshin eta. its "your acc your problem" when your hacked or the security totaly screws you over, but when it comes to selling its now "thats not yout account you cant sell it" the SAME shit of "thats your kid" (when they misbehave and are sick) and "thats my kid" when they are healthy and doing well in school.
I will never buy a digital game again. In 2023 I tried to re-download a game I purchased but it was removed from the store so I couldn't. Shortly after that I tried to re-download another game. The game was still in the store but I had to pay for it again. I contacted customer service and was told I will get a refund and to buy it again. I bought it again and waited 3 months for the refund. I did not get the refund so I called customer service again and was told that I can't get a refund and I shouldn't have been told that I can in the first call. So now I have paid twice for the same game. In both cases I could not get a refund.
Ive lost nearly all of my ps1 games on my ps3, I had a good bit of ps1 games so i lost huge chunk of my library. Congrats Sony 😃 you are all pigs. Moving to PC
Nah...i want to train myself to be content with the physical games I have. I feel like games are meant to be played over and over again. Its good though we have ppl who want new things which brings innovation but games are becoming really expensive. So to have physical games you own at least, you are not paying a subscription for it and if a service goes down (today Crowdstrike and Microsoft went down) then you have your games to play.
Most 3rd party games on Switch DO NOT require downloads. That's absolute nonsense. You're quoting a few releases and live services games to represent your point. However, this is also disingenuous to reinforce your point. The few games you've listed are the minority and the reality is that the majority of games ARE on the disc and ARE fully playable even without patches.
well said brother we do not have enough time to invest anymore in countles of hours in gaming or spending money on it the conection we once had is broken due to these new rules and lack of story lines that games have now and the complete nonsense of completing the game 100% and all the rabit hole quests or trophies to collect is just rediculous
If you go to user generated content part of the terms of service it explains, we have the rights to do broadcasting and stuff, it’s talking about people who don’t. Tell me if I misunderstood it.
Exactly. I call it " renting ownership". The sad truth is that you dont really own anything under capitalism. In this day and age having a home is a fantasy to most people.
Yet another discussion about this, yet another person who doesn't care. We've lost this fight a long time ago. Most don't care and this this is okay. So I think we should just give up. They won, and it's time to stop pretending we ever had a chance to begin with.
also hope theres zero-hour hackers that are hacking online-only games like starrial genshin eta to fully dump varius versions to release offline after the game shutsdown. like runescape classic MAP was kept but the old quest were lost, and the servers that are running the original game atualy had to RE-CREATE them from memory. so could be slight missed diffrences that will never be found.
you dont own anything. what you pay for is a licence to view those products or play those games under sony's terms and conditions which you agreed to when you created your account
Unless you buy the actual game on disc. As long as you dont illegally copy it and sell it to anyone, your fine. Play it, sell it, donate it, shred it, burn it, eat, dont matter.
now assume theres hacks for the ps3 (unless its fully updated? heard they atualy CHANGED the signature some effign how without breakign the old games?) but dont know about ps5 and read the hacks for ps4 only work with the ultra old ones.
Well they can only enforce their rules if you play them so as a collector you can make a sealed game library because you don't actually play a sealed game and until you open it and play it, it can't come under their license rules.
@@WebstersRU-vid to refrence for the future people to see the games available. So they know if their games are genuine or not ... For a talking point and topic. I wouldnt grade them though thats just greed reasons.
So, what? If we wanna keep our downloads, we gotta turn off our WiFi just so we don't have Sony *patch* our systems with the latest update and sneakily remove our digital content now? Might be a plus for single player games, but multiplayer? Bullshit.
I refuse to buy media nowadays. I ony play free games/gamepeass games. I only rent a movie from a service, i never buy it because i know i wont have access to it forever so its useless
Most people that have gone full digital understand we don't own anything and that we can lose games. Buying physical games doesn't save anyone from this either
Yeah you do own digital content. Stop arguing that you don’t. Once you bought it, it’s yours forever. Yeah you can’t trade it but at least you legally have it. But it’s a scary thought to lose access to games you bought digitally. You paid for it. As if being delisted wasn’t scary enough. It’s almost why I don’t ever buy individual episodes on iTunes or Amazon.
You're completely wrong, I've noticed multiple games disappear from my PlayStation Library that I've logged tens of hours into and some of them at least a hundred hours only for Sony to delete the game from my library with no warning
I really hate seeing people saying oh if you bought a game you dont own pyshical or digital games so are you sayiing is that you are telling people to pirate their games because i had been buying digital games for almost 10 years now and i actually had never see a company removing a game which yes games do get delisted all of time do they not know that once you bought an game you legally own it i know alot will disagree but this is the truth because i had bought an digital game for 10 years and it still in a library which you do still own the game like with pyshical since you legally own it which are you saying if i say had bought assassin's creed unity 10 years ago you saying that game would been removed by now that an anti consumer right there which i hope they make a bill to prevent those game companies from doing it because i sure anyone be piss if a certain game company remove an $200 worth purchase of an collector which that would be theft right there
Ubisoft just removed The Crew from peoples' libraries. You aren't buying the game. You're buying a license to play the game and that license can be revoked at any time without notice.
@@WebstersRU-vid Hey just because you agree to the terms of service eula doesn't mean they can really do it and beside you do still own the full copy of the game are you saying if i had purchase a digital copy game from 10 years ago that is like a singleplayer game you saying it could been expired by now because you do have a recipt meaning you legally own the game because i do buy digital games occasionaly if theyre on sell so your saying they could been deleted from the library because i dont care what yall say the TOS usally doesn't mean anything you can disagree with me your just copeing about it
You might be lucky enough to have avoided one of your "purchased" games being delisted. You might even be lucky enough to ever get wrongly suspended or hacked. This doesn't change the fact that the legal loopholes of the TOS does allow corporations like Sony to revoke access to the "licenses" we borrow. The games installed on your console won't be removed, but anything that exists in "the cloud" can be rendered inaccessible. This happened to me. Selfishly, I hope more people experience it too. Class action lawsuit is the only viable option, and the greater number of customers that want to take it to court, the better our chances of ACTUALLY OWNING GAMES or at least modifying the TOS to be more consumer friendly.
@@GreyException See that a whole reason since just because games get delisted doesn't mean it can stop us from playing since once you own those games you basically own it since that how delisting works
