@@l_burn So cops cannot be held responsible for their own actions with the blame being put unto the city and any monies awarded being paid for my the public.
I have been advocating that LEO'S like most professionals have to have a personal liability insurance . What makes LEO'S any different that certain professionals to not have insurance ?
They DO have a "bond" ! I have asked a couple of YT attorneys to explain to their viewers just what is the threshold and procedure to go against their bond. So far I get crickets from the YT attorneys
POLICE drain the wealth and freedoms from honorable taxpayers FORCING loss of jobs, credit, home, marriage, and desire to continue living after complete financial ruin. In contrast, the police convert taxpayers into welfare recipients! ($10,000 to $100.000 to prove innocence in court!) Police often say "The initial arresting process is the punishment", and they would be right ...! (POLICE encounter's seldom if ever benefit the taxpayer!) - USMC (Semper Fidelis) SGT E-5 (5811)
The cops need to pay the full amount not us taxpayers and the cops need to lose their qualified immunity in fact not one cop in the United States deserves qualified immunity they need to be held accountable just like we are
@@rodneymyers5114 Let's be real about this. If it did start coming out of their pocket they would all go on strike and demand a pay rise to cover the costs instead of ever changing their criminal actions. American policing needs to be rebuilt from the ground up because the system itself is fatally flawed. It's going to require a total cultural change with a new generation of cops who understand what accountability is, and know they will face consequences for their actions. This will mean removing almost every sheriff who came up in this corrupt system.
You don't really think that you'll see that money back in your check if they make the cop pay a settlement? At least when a citizen wins a suit I get to see where my taxes are going.
That’s not really true. Qualified immunity is a legal defense. Obviously it doesn’t stop you from suing them but once it is allowed by the court your suit is moot.
That’ll fix it! It’s about bad apples definitely not just a function of having a set of armed guards who exist to protect the wealthy. Every person who puts the badge on becomes an enemy of the people.
Clearly they aren't needed for actual policing since so many of them had the opportunity to be involved in assaulting and kidnapping a harmless man who'd done nothing illegal.
Under arrest for obstruction is always the dumbest charge officers make. It’s literally the charge they always make in illegal arrests. All obstruction charges should be reviewed by an outside party
Yup... But, this Police ABUSE happened in China, in Korea, or maybe it happened in Cuba. This Tyranny didn't happen here, at home, in US, cuz we live in the "Land of Freedom". Right? (I'm using SARCASM, okay?).
I don’t know what’s worse, the deprivation of rights under color of law by about 1/2 dozen officers, or the Chief LYING saying his rights weren’t violated. I’m not even a lawyer and I can identify at least 5 different ways his rights were violated. Leaving him soiled for 4+ hours…are you f*cling kidding me?!? Chief should resign in DISGRACE and his officers should face federal charges under 18 USC 242 AND 241.
As always cops claim " we investigated ourselves and found we did no wrong said the fox standing outside the chicken coop with blood on its face and feathers in its mouth ".
EXACTLY. I always obeyed the law and respected law enforcement. Until I had something stolen and had to interact with the police. I was already their prime suspect because they thought I was doing some kind of insurance fraud. Doesn't matter that I gave them 4k video of the person that took the item with their name and current location. I have yet to personally meet a competent police officer.
Same here. Currently in a legal battle over an alleged DUI. Cop insisted I was intoxicated by legally prescribed medications. Doctor insists that’s impossible and the toxicology report was clean. The charges will probably be dropped but I’m still out several thousand dollars. According to my lawyer I can’t sue because the cop had a “reasonable suspicion” and that’s all he needs. This flabby roided-out tattooed pig just wanted to up his arrest numbers and I was an easy target. I was wary about cops before….now, I’m their sworn enemies.
I hate how people lump all of a group based on the few bad apples that get plastered all over the news. Yes there are bad cops, but there are good ones as well that doesn't try to do something like that. Would you like it if people started to say all Germans are still National Socialists even today, because of their past leaders. Note you never see news reports on the good cops only the ones that help the defund the police narrative, ever notice that?
The fact that all the officers acted in lockstep together tells you that there was nothing unusual or out of the ordinary in their abuse. Things won't change until the chief is replaced, or the chief is forced to adopt a Zero Tolerance policy.
Remember .. if you fumble and have a bad day, you are arrested and have a criminal record for life. When they fumble and have a bad day… you are arrested, battered, humiliated, and have to fight to not have a criminal record for life.
As they should. The "citizens" voted for the government that hired those cops and continues to allow those cops to get away with their crimes. The "citizens" need to wake up and vote for politicians, prosecutors, judges, and sheriffs who will fix the broken system. Maybe if taxes go up to fund lots of settlements, people will eventually wake up and choose their votes more carefully.
Given Ada County Sheriff Matt Clifford's response that this was nothing more than an inadvertent "fumble" by his deputies means there will be no punishment, no adverse consequences, and he will e-mail his deputies a copy of the US Constitution for them to read at their leisure. When his deputies "fumble", they "fumble" away $250,000 of taxpayers money. Money that doesn't come out of his pocket or his department.
$250k paid for by the taxpayers, because of Ada Sheriffs. Fire them ALL! They trampled his rights! Now he has a taste of what all American citizens, especially those in lower income neighborhoods have been dealing with for 100 years! Also want to point out, this gentleman was there to be a good citizen, and properly dispose of old medications WELCOMED by the Sheriff dept. Plain clothes officers should always identify themselves before they start with official business. Furthermore, the vehicles should NOT be left running, and it was a public/open parking lot! Shame on Ada Sheriffs. Their PR response missed the mark too-
It still amazes me how many police officers don't know the law or understand the Constitution. And the tax payers pay for the officers actions. This is more officers losing the trust and respect from the people
You wouldn't let a plumber or electrician work on you house if they didn't know their jobs!!! So why are continuing to allow law enforcement who doesn't know the LAW be out there taking away people's MONEY, FREEDOM and in some cases LIVES???? We the People DEMAND BETTER!! ABOLISH QUALIFIED IMMUNTIY
It wasn't even that they didn't know the law. The plain clothes cop was hurt by the old guy talking to him like he deserved and it was retaliation. That is all this is and they should all go to jail. Nothing lawful about any of it. All criminal.
Yup... But, this Police ABUSE happened in China, in Korea, or maybe it happened in Cuba. This Tyranny didn't happen here, at home, in US, cuz we live in the "Land of Freedom". Right? (I'm using SARCASM, okay?).
And they get paid to do the "training" as well. All settlements should come from the cops pension fund. Watch how fast they figure out right and wrong when their money is on the line.
The utter refusal to take any real accountability and admit to what they actually did wrong is just one of the worst parts of this. Always, 100% of the time, they just deflect, deny, change the topic anything but take responsibility
The same person as always with these situations, the victim. Cops need to be held accountable and the men who assaulted, battered, and falsely imprisoned the victim in this will not be. Only he will face any real punishment or discipline, simply for the "crime" of not breaking any laws.
Believing this incident to be unintentional it seems officers have no idea how to handle any given situation with other than the use of violence. Sadly this is typical of police today. The officers suffered NO personal loss from this although all involved committed several felonies as well as civil rights violations. If police start getting charged and jailed on a routine basis this type behavior will stop.
@@firewater365 Indeed he did, but that is simply because he likely never had this kind of encounter before. Cops do this every day in the US, but the victims are disproportionally black and Hispanic. I am betting that Mr Heikkola now has a far better appreciation of what minority communities have faced for many decades and the lives it has destroyed. Cops can turn looking into a car a life threatening and life changing event. He knows this now, and he won't ever be able to unsee the outrageous behavior of cops.
"It wasn't our best day" That sad thing is it was just a regular day of criminals with badges pounding down on citizens that refused to go to their knees for them.
And who pays the bill?: Taxpayers of your community. Are the perpetrators ever held accountable? No, because they have qualified immunity, unlike other criminals, meaning the taxpayer gets the bill every time. Hope you enjoy supporting your local cops, and paying for their mistakes. This is YOUR doing, the taxpayer who doesn't care or pay attention.
Even without qualified immunity we'd still be footing the bill in most cases because government officials are covered by indemnification. Qualified immunity is what typically prevents lawsuits from moving forward. Even once the court decides the officer isn't entitled to qualified immunity because of established case law, the taxpayers still pay because usually good old indemnification kicks in. According to a study done by NYU Law, police officers are virtually always indemnified: During the study period, governments paid approximately 99.98% of the dollars that plaintiffs recovered in lawsuits alleging civil rights violations by law enforcement. Law enforcement officers in the study never satisfied a punitive damages award entered against them and almost never contributed anything to settlements or judgments-even when indemnification was prohibited by law or policy, and even when officers were disciplined, terminated, or prosecuted for their conduct.
@@danielboone8435 I'm not sure what a manufacturer is on here, but I don't think I am one. To clarify my earlier question...I assume that seeing 6 or 7 would indicate many more of same type in the department. Perhaps, even a majority, and very possibly corrupted leadership at all levels. So if that is your definition of a manufacturer, yes...I am one.
@@danielboone8435 I have plenty of money to satisfy my needs and wants...but I'm not interested in YT all that much. It's like going to a sleazy bar, I don't meet very nice people on here...lots of mouthy show offs who think they are cool.
Really really love this story it is an honest looking one not somebody out trying to pick and pokey but an actual case where these fools power mad fools get out there and do the things they do the very reason qualified immunity should be abolished!
These cops were not held to account, the taxpayers were. It's doubtful that the response of the officers was more than a shrug, then business as usual.
Has anyone settling these cases out of court ever considered requiring all police to take indepth constitutional law to know what they swear an oath to
Oh My God! I am so sorry there are such disgusting violent thugs in this world! I would have awarded you $100 million if I were on the jury. The gross creepy Sheriff is not fit to plant-sit a philodendron. I wouldn't trust Matt Clifford with a spatula at a burger joint.
Hey the cops pocket them for parties or everyday use. Always ask your pharmacy to dispose of them. They have all kinds of expired drugs and they will also get rid of yours.
