You need to know this about the ADSR/AR of the Behringer 2600 and ARP 2600

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This is further information about how to connect an external sequencer via CV/Gate to the Behringer 2600 and the ARP 2600. This time I am sending the Arturia Keystep Gate signal to the Gate-In and Trigger-In inputs of the ADSR/AR section. This procedure requires a bit more cabling but opens up further sonic possibilities.
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@RalphBaumgartl Год назад

Learn everything about the Behringer 2600 here: ru-vid.com/group/PLlJvIUzIwQ79naxyNxNQnNEj_KcmHp5D5 Get started with the Behringer 2500 Eurorack System: ru-vid.com/group/PLlJvIUzIwQ7-c3uoCt82TRo2a_IZmYjCJ ARP 2600 and Behringer 2600 Videos: ru-vid.com/group/PLlJvIUzIwQ7-i8ycRAQNnYcPmADP9quhE Happy patching! Ralph

@gogolito 5 месяцев назад

As a french person, i like my 2600 tutorials in english with a slight german accent, for clarity/. Thanks.

@RalphBaumgartl 5 месяцев назад

Thank you very much 🙏 I don't receive often a nice compliment about my German accent 😉

@stephenjames4937 3 года назад

The Arturia Keystep: definitely my favourite sequencer. Thanks for another lovely tutorial, Ralph.

@RalphBaumgartl 3 года назад

Thank you Stephen! I have just recorded another quick tip for the 2600. Hope it'll go online tomorrow....Greetings, Ralph

@georgeray3492 3 года назад

Cool technique. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. This really takes the static rhythm of the sequence to a more complex, interesting place.

@RalphBaumgartl 3 года назад

Thank you George! I am glad you got something out of my video. Cheers, Ralph

@TheMachinesWon 3 года назад

Great video! Only feedback I'd give is mention that you have a splitter (mult) going from the gate out on the keystep to achieve triggering the gate in and trigger in. I ran to my keystep looking for a second gate out option until I saw the second example with the mult confirming my suspicions. Arp is going to be my first step into the semi modular world so this is all pretty new. Those nuances will help us newbies out a ton! Otherwise these Arp videos are so great packed with gems, please keep them coming!

@RalphBaumgartl 3 года назад

Hello Charles! You are right, I should have mentioned this! I thought it was just obvious! You can see the signal distributor in the part when the Barp and ARP are being sequenced together. But I should also think from a beginners perceptive. Thanks again for your feedback! It's highly appreciated! Greetings, Ralph

@TheMachinesWon 3 года назад

@@RalphBaumgartl thanks Ralph, I think these videos catered towards beginners so that will go a long way! I was able to see it as you mentioned but your confirmation will help others reading this thread who may overlook it. Again, love the videos and looking forward to more of them. Would love to see something about ways to use the ring mod as well as FM at some point too! 🤗

@RalphBaumgartl 3 года назад

@@TheMachinesWon Thank you Charles, I always welcome topic proposals for my videos.

@TheMachinesWon 3 года назад

@@RalphBaumgartl 🙌🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

@ogasi1798 3 года назад

Its quite a deep curve , don't get disheartened when it arrives. Magic awaits

@lazymandoplayer 3 года назад

I was a bit confused about the need for gate and trigger so I have been experimenting with my Behringer and looking up the circuit diagram in the ARP 2600 service manual. Here is what I've discovered. The AR generator just needs the gate which can be applied where you plugged it in but the ADSR needs the Gate and Trigger. On your original ARP 2600 you only have those 2 inputs but the Behringer adds another gate input above the AR routed to the ADSR. This means that you can use the 2 independently if you supply a gate for the AR in the lower gate socket and a trigger and a gate in the upper socket for the ADSR. I hope that is correct and makes sense as it should open up more possibilities if so :)

@RalphBaumgartl 3 года назад

Hi Matthew, that's exactly what I have been planning for another video. Invoking the ADSR and AR independently from each other. But even if you send the Gate to the Gate-In of the ADSR you need the trigger. In my tests the AR needs the trigger as well to pass the Gate on to the ADSR. Greetings, Ralph

@matthewpreston1396 3 года назад

I’ve been driving myself completely mad trying to solve why the gate inputs didn’t seem to be working properly, and had boxed the unit up to send it back when I found this video. We’ll have to investigate further now. But how do you play a different rhythm on the ADSR from the one you are playing on the AR? Will the gate on the ADSR as expected once there is a trigger going into the AR trigger input? It’s very baffling... I I’m hoping that I can come up with a configuration where I can have completely different unrelated rhythms twinkling both envelopes. I’ve had different rhythms on both envelopes, but only when the AR is, say, constant 16th notes and the ADSR is intermittent. And that only worked by putting a steady 16th note gate into the S&H clock input socket to the AR, and the intermittent gate into the ADSR. As soon as I tried to make the gate going into the AR envelope a more interesting pattern (ie: with rests on some gate steps), the ADSR would stop playing during the rests as well

@1VperOctave 3 года назад

Hi Ralph. Thank you for another excellent and very helpful video. I also really appreciate that you publish your videos in (perfect) English, as my knowledge of German is embarrassingly bad. Vielen Dank!

@RalphBaumgartl 3 года назад

Thank you 🙏 That's very kind of you to say. As a non native speaker I am always striving to speak as clearly as possible when explaining synth technical stuff. Have a great day, Ralph

@ZealotSmurf 3 года назад

You’re the best Ralph. Always enjoy your videos. Very informative and your accent rocks

@RalphBaumgartl 3 года назад

That's a very nice compliment 🙏 we Germans are often ridiculed for our accent 😉 Thanks for watching my videos!

@ZealotSmurf 3 года назад

@@RalphBaumgartl I hope that those who have given you a hard time over your accent can find Kraftwerk or Alphaville some day. There’s a tremendous history of German synth greats. Thank you again.

@RalphBaumgartl 3 года назад

@@ZealotSmurf Since I am not an English native speaker, I just embrace my German accent 😃 Thanks for your support 🙏

@adrianmccombe625 2 года назад

Ralph these are great videos. I have a Behringer 2600 and watch these videos all the time. Keep them coming 👍

@RalphBaumgartl 2 года назад

Thanks for watching my videos and for your support! Have a good week! Ralph

@RalphBaumgartl 2 года назад

Thanks for watching my videos and for your support! Have a good week! Ralph

@geerhoar 2 года назад

CV connections are monophonic. The Arturia Keystep will trigger notes and gates through the 1v/oct and Gate CV outputs in an order determined by note priority settings in the Keystep (Low Note, High Note, or Last Note). To get the Keystep to play different VCOs for a second note, you can use the KEYBOARD section (lower left) setting the VOICE MODE switch to “DUO,” the TRIG MODE switch to “MULT,” and taking the UPPER VOICE CV output into a separate output. To separate the gates for true duophony with a single Keystep, I believe one needs a MIDI-to-CV converter, like a cv.OCD, where one can map chord and cycle modes or keyboard ranges for separate notes and associated separate gates. These, in turn, could be patched separately into the 2600 with one note using the AR envelope generator with help from the RING MOD in DC mode being used as a VCA, and another using the ADSR. However, for the same price as a cv.OCD, one could get another Keystep. The Korg SQ-1 sequencer is an affordable way to create two CV voices for the Behringer 2600, albeit 8 steps in two rows.

@RalphBaumgartl 2 года назад

Thanks for sharing your ideas. Perhaps one day I might make a video about poly chaining my three B2600s and my ARP 2600, thereby creating true 4 voice polyphony :-)

@geerhoar 2 года назад

@@RalphBaumgartl That will be fun. I recommend using external software for controlling voice allocation modes, such as the Sysex that can be loaded onto the cv.OCD and configured on a Webpage.

@RalphBaumgartl 2 года назад

@@geerhoar Thanks for the recommendation. So far I was planning to use a Logic Pro plugin for the voice allocation but I will definitely take a look at your procedure as well.

@geerhoar 2 года назад

@@RalphBaumgartl MIDI-to-CV conversion gives additional patching options, provided the synths have the CV inputs.

@RalphBaumgartl 2 года назад

@@geerhoar That's my plan, on my Midi Interface I have 5 Midi Outputs. Three separate outputs (separate midi channels) will go to my three B2600 respectively. Another Output (channel) will go to the Keystep which will act as a Midi interface to the ARP 2600. The voice allocation will be handled by a plugin within Logic Pro to which I connect a Roland A-49 keyboard.

@dagamusik 7 часов назад

Hi Ralph! Every time I'm in doubt you come with the answer! How would be the best way to achieve amplitud modulation with the LFO?

@axelrigaud 2 года назад

Thanks a lot, as many I suppose I was trying the gate in just below the adsr to trigger it.

@RalphBaumgartl 2 года назад

Hi Axel, glad to know that my video could clarify this.

@KNHSynths 3 года назад

this is an interesting way to add variation to a sequence. But just speaking about adsr/ar, you can drive the 2600 with just one Gate cable ! Just plug your gate into the "sh/clock" socket just below the AR module and push the sliding button to the bottom. Instead of SH Clock, this will your gate that will drive both ADSR and AR (like one in SH/Clock mode). It seems to be simpler (when you don't want to play with fancy gate/trigger variations).

@RalphBaumgartl 3 года назад

Hi Oliver, I already made a tutorial about the very procedure you are pointing out. Here's the video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-St4bx1Vz3mE.html The tutorial about the Gate In / Trig In connection I have made afterwards in order to show my viewers further options and possibilities. Thank you for watching and commenting! Ralph

@KNHSynths 3 года назад

@@RalphBaumgartl I missed this video, sorry .. But using the gate and trig is a good trick !

@toddsmithmusic3172 3 года назад

The man right here ! Always love your videos my friend

@RalphBaumgartl 3 года назад

Gosh Todd, my good friend! That was a fast comment! I've just hit the publish button 😉 Greetings from Germany, Ralph

@alveydoug Год назад

Love this series ❤. Small bites of memorable information that I can use with my Blue Marvin. I had not learned about the Gate AND Trigger needing to be pulsed simultaneously before. (A frustrating issue.). The previous episode (Sequencer Interfacing) told me undocumented “features” about the VCA and Mixer. I am wondering why you don’t bring the control voltages through the “keyboard section” (below VCO1, on the Behringer 2600 synths), avoiding “Multiple” use (sometimes). As to the Audio/LFO switch on the VCOs, I DO use Keyboard CV with LFO on, for vibrato that tracks the keyboard, as a violinist does. (I plan to get a Eurorack Behringer 2600 VCO for this purpose.)

@RalphBaumgartl Год назад

That's the beauty of a (semi) modular Synth. Anything is possible! Controlling the LFO with Keyboard CV to get more Vibrato nuances is just one of those endless possibilities. Greetings, Ralph

@chopztation 2 года назад

Thanks a lot for this video! I've just received my Barp 2600 today and I lost the 2 last hours trying to find what's going wrong with those enveloppes when i used an external cv/gate sequencer! I was close to return back the 2600 to the shop...

@RalphBaumgartl 2 года назад

Glad my video was helpful. Mostly there's nothing wrong with the 2600. It's just the learning curve. Happy patching!

@TheMachinesWon 2 года назад

Do you have a video or can you make one which covers using adsr and ar as dedicated vca/filter/mod envelopes the envelopes? I’m confused on the envelopes normals relationship and how to separate them and use them for dedicated reasons. Appreciate any insight or further videos you have on this subject

@RalphBaumgartl 2 года назад

Hello Charles, perhaps you want to watch my beginner tutorial. It includes basic information about the envelopes. Nevertheless I will be making more videos covering all sections of the 2600. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CfezQunKlAE.html

@AngeloSantelliMusic 9 месяцев назад

I’m using an ARP Solus with a Korg ARP 2600m and my Solus keyboard works with just the gate into the S&H Gate input with the switch down, but when I put the switch up and plug the Solus’ Gate to the other gate input and the Solus’ trigger to the trigger input, I get nothing

@RalphBaumgartl 9 месяцев назад

Possibly the the Trigger/Gate signal needs to be boosted a bit to make it work. I have made two tutorials about this issue. Kindly try the methods as explained in my videos. Personally I have connected several of my analog Synths to the 2600 via CV/Gate/Trigger and always managed to make it work. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--kO1BLgpBE8.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FOMxUmWtEyM.html Greetings, Ralph

@electriceddy84 2 года назад

Very informative video thanks, keep up the great work. Is there a reason why the gate in below the ASDR does not trigger the ADSR on the Behringer 2600 e.g. using an output of a square LFO? On the Arturia 2600 VST plugin this works fine and I would speculate that it works on your original ARP 2600. Maybe its a hardware or firmware bug on my device? I bought the device specifically to reproduce the synth sounds on The Who's Won't Get Fooled Again synth which is using an external organ into the preamp with a triangle LFO controlling the filter and a square wave controlling the pulsating on/off effect into the ADSR. It's easy to reproduce this using the VST plugin but nothing I've tried will work effectively on the Behringer 2600. I've managed to get a basic on/off effect but not anywhere close to plugin. It would be great if you could do a video on reproducing this innovative synth sound and compare the reproduction across both synths.

@RalphBaumgartl 2 года назад

Hello and thanks for watching. Also on the ARP 2600 you have to use a Gate IN and a Trig IN simultaneously when utilizing the Gate IN's of the ADSR/AR section. No Trig IN signal is necessary when using the S&H Gate IN. I haven't tried to replicate the "Won't get fooled again" organ sound yet. I will do that one day ;-) Perhaps also try to use the Voltage Processor on the B2600 to dabble with the sound. Here's my VP tutorial ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5pkO7Yiffac.html

@LFOVCF 3 года назад

Had my 2600 a day. I can't quite get my head round how you set the ADSR for the filter (ie to have it close the filter after key triggered) and the amplitude being controlled by ADSR. Do they share the ADSR? (First day overwhelm!) I thought I knew synthesis until this thing.

@RalphBaumgartl 3 года назад

No worries, the more you dabble with the 2600 the more the Synth reveals itself to you 😉 Please bear in mind that the pre-wiring of the ADSR to the VCA connection has an exponential curve. If you want a more linear behavior, then plug the ADSR output into the AR jack of the VCA. Greetings, Ralph

@LFOVCF 3 года назад

@@RalphBaumgartl Thanks Ralph. I'm starting to understand the principles more now, but that's a great tip! Very surprised that the mod wheel has no control on the 2600. What an oversight not to provide a control output to patch with.

@RalphBaumgartl 3 года назад

@@LFOVCF depending on the controller you can patch some modulation wheel behavior....

@robinsonvanvliet 2 года назад

from the keystep pro you split the gate signal? cause there's no trigger out

@RalphBaumgartl 2 года назад

Yes, I am using a multiplier to split the gate signal. A gate also includes a trigger signal.

@micahglad3103 Месяц назад

How come when I turn on the 2600 with I hear the oscillators on before add any Adsr? I can hear the Oscs playing in between notes

@RalphBaumgartl Месяц назад

Kindly watch this tutorial here ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vQx88p4dutc.html

@markchristopher2signal2 3 года назад

Ralph, it s should be arriving this Friday. Btw, how long are the patch cables I should get? 5 of the 1foot is good? That's enough?

@RalphBaumgartl 3 года назад

Hello Mark, get 6 cables around 90 cm long and another 6 cables around 30 cm long. That's a good start....

@markchristopher2signal2 3 года назад

@@RalphBaumgartl wow, I didn't have to spend for cables. For some reason I found 7 , some long some short. Ralph, I got lucky here I the states. Sweet water had it for 536.00 for a total of 590.00 dollars. That's the cheapest synth I ever bought . My goodness, I hope this is not a dream because I always wanted the 2600. Martin Gore and Vince Clarke in their interviews mentions them.. now I get to make my own drum kits. Arp2600 kick is the just can't get enough kick. I love it

@RalphBaumgartl 3 года назад

@@markchristopher2signal2 Glad you found the cables 😃 Another great song performed on the 2600 is Elton John's "Funeral for a Friend". Check it out! Greetings, Ralph

@markchristopher2signal2 3 года назад

@@RalphBaumgartl I did listen to it as I was working out.. I like it. Ralph, I wish the Behringer staff would create a clone of the Arp Sequencer. The sequencer I have is RENOISE which is very nice but I want those analog type sequencing

@markchristopher2signal2 3 года назад

arriving this Sat for me. I've always wanted this since the 90s when I got sooo in to Depeche Mode and Erasure.. Every interview they mentioned ARp 2600.

@texacomann 3 года назад

Hallo Ralph, can you make a Video where All the functions and some Trick will be explained? Because nobody Else did before!

@RalphBaumgartl 3 года назад

There are so many tricks for the semi-modular 2600 Synth, that it's impossible to put them all in one video. Moreover I am also constantly discovering new tricks 😉

@vaxdatex8540 3 года назад

Actually I'm running gate out from an SQ-1 into the gate OR trigger in and the AR will work. Only for both AR and ADSR to work both gate and trigger in need to receive a signal. The gate in on the ADSR is a mystery to me as sending a gate signal to it doesn't do anything.

@RalphBaumgartl 3 года назад

Yes, the Gate routing for the ADSR and AR is a bit confusing. Try to google the original ARP 2600 manual (not the patch book). That manual is very elaborate and detailed and sheds some light on the unique routing of the 2600. Try to find the PDF, it's a good reference you can return to when you get lost. Greetings, Ralph

@mauromantovani5937 2 года назад

What's the difference between trigger in and gate in?

@RalphBaumgartl 2 года назад

Trigger In just requires a signal spike whereas a Gate In also requires a signal plateau.

@michaelschulze295 4 месяца назад

@@RalphBaumgartlAre you sure your 2600 is not defective? Mine works with a gate from a WMD metron plugged into the AR gate in only. I cant get the trig in to do anything, even after boosting a gate level through the 2600 preamp. Tried gates as short as 15ms.

@RalphBaumgartl 4 месяца назад

@@michaelschulze295 it seems that on some ARP 2600 production series its Gate and Trig Out only and on some series it works as input and output.

@michaelschulze295 4 месяца назад

@@RalphBaumgartl Thanks for your reply! This sounds like a defect to me. Emailing Eli about it now :)

@RalphBaumgartl 4 месяца назад

@@michaelschulze295 i am talking about the original ARP 2600 NOT the Behringer 2600!!! I have the Behringer 2600 black/orange, Blue Marvin and Gray Meanie. On all three Synths the Gate and Trig Inputs are working properly.

@hednodsflyingoscillatorcir9827 3 года назад

You can easily hear the difference between the two. Not a bad thing. Sure an Arp would be cool, given the cash, it has a thicker bass. But that’s easy to fix at the mixer and almost nobody uses a synth without effects anyway. Personally I’m just waiting for availability to improve and I’ll add the BARP. It’s just a great versatile synth that just begs for arps and seqs and also is great for leads and weirdness.

@RalphBaumgartl 3 года назад

In my personal opinion the 2600 is one of the best Synths to learn subtractive Synthesis. Have a nice weekend, Ralph

@hednodsflyingoscillatorcir9827 3 года назад

Ralph Baumgartl Exactly! Great Sound Graphic Visual layout intelligently thought out and most of all sliders. Add patch cables to reroute signals and .... magic!

@RalphBaumgartl 3 года назад

@@hednodsflyingoscillatorcir9827 I personally also believe that sliders give you a better visual feedback of what you are doing on your Synth!

@hednodsflyingoscillatorcir9827 3 года назад

Ralph Baumgartl That’s also why I want a Buchla Easel, you can easily see your idea. I have both as VST and a couple dozen real synths including a BARP Odyssey, AP had a knack f this.

@RalphBaumgartl 3 года назад

@@hednodsflyingoscillatorcir9827 I once dabbled with a Buchla Easel for a few minutes at a Synth meeting. Not long enough to wrap my head around that concept of synthesis 😉