You're WRONG about Linux phones. 

I couldn't agree more. Plus, the cost of the device is subsidizing the development of PureOS and Phosh

the pinephone is as private as the librem 5, it has the same hardware switches iirc

Its honestly about who you ask, if you ask someone who loves linux and is passionate about linux "is a linux phone worth it" then they'd most likely say yes! it is but to the vast majority of people they'd probably say no as you dont have apps, its not as polished and because it looks dated. Like always its all about perspective

@@fuseteam If I remember correctly you need to restart the pinePhone for the hardware switches to take effect

They're hardware switches: they cut power and/or data lines. Whether the device is powered on is irrelevant. They are hard to access though, being inside the case.

Came for this

all the other brothas can't deny when a phone walks in with an itty bitty linux and a wide thing in your face you get sprung

Yep. At the end of the day though... I just want my Galaxy S5 back. That was the height of smartphone design. Thankfully, the Librem 5 is mostly bringing that back now.

I came here to say this (OP)

Babygotback =P

That's what I thought, if you're using Snapchat, why even bother with a privacy conscious phone?

Ok boomer

@@edwardhoffenheim3249 I'm young af and snap is overhyped flaming POS app.

@@jozosaravanja1626 By who? You? Every platform is garbage in its own way. No use complaining about them like and old fart. Deleted them all off my phone because _I_ didn't like them. I'm not gonna pretend like my opinion is important enough to objectively dismiss everyone else's who thinks its good.

@@edwardhoffenheim3249 I didn't realized I was talking for everyone you dipshit. You tried to dismiss his comment and opinion by writing ok boomer. And I replied "im young and I also think it's POS app too". And I'm not alone. Many people I know hate it. So age doesn't play any role in liking or disliking technology. I also think rest of social media apps are flaming garbage not just snap. So yea I'm not deffo majority in the world. That doesn't mean I can't comment and dislike anything because I'm in minority. Also old farts made technology so of you don't like what they made go to stone age. Because you'll be old fart yourself one day. (Hopefully)

Yeah and remember how Android was supposed to replace computers for some people? Too naive Google haha

@@developerpranav nah google had/wanted to go faster then linux kernel development could go

The Raspberry Pi has been around for a while now and that can fit in your pocket 😂😋

@@GeoTechLand it can but please don't without an enclosure haha

@@GeoTechLand 😂😂😂

No android apps is too much of a deal breaker. I can't live without these apps anymore, so I'll probably never buy any of these linux phones which is quite sad. If these ran x86 linux then that would sweet, as I could run steam games on it. Would be great for a secondary phone.

@@yousafkhan6921 Purism is working on offering android apps through emulation or though the cloud. That's a genius way to solve the need for android apps :)

@@GeoTechLand They are just going to use anbox. Anbox is already working on the Pinephone, and was created and is maintained by developers from ubports.

Same here

Mee too, rn I'm using a xiaomi, but definitively the next one will be one of these beauties

You're not alone! And I'm old and have been researching this for about 2 weeks now. Too much power and info in too few hands. Corporations and Governments do not have your best interests at heart. It's blatantly obvious now. I'm finding my way out on ALL of it! Best of luck.

Yes. I’m an Apple user but won’t be when they need replacing. Facebook/WhatsApp deleted. Looking at ways to move forward without Amazon , RU-vid and Google. A bit of a learning curve to be sure.

Same here.

The problem is unless you're willing to fund it yourself, it will never be as good as big tech.

@@MrGamelover23 that isn’t true there are many foss projects that surpass big tech projects

haha

And then you don't get invited to the party lmao

PDA

Lmao, not too far stretched. At Walmart the android devices are called touch computers

"I'd like to interject for a moment. what you're refering as smartphone..." hehehe

Remember to document the journey of transitioning from not being broke to financial abundance, for course creation and a book or two, and possibly stage time...there is a demand for this, and money in abundance to pay for it.

Yeah they're like $800.

Ya. 2020 wasn’t a banner year. Hope for some business before Biden completely tanks the dollar.

You can get a Pinephone for a quarter of the price

Secure it well!

SSHFS works very well on it. Cron works. GCC works..

To do what?

@@daandelombaert4647 SSH is more than just the ability to log into a shell. It's a full file system. I have my computer setup so that when my pinep phone is in range, it mounts the file system automatically. It's seemless, but I'm also running linux as a desktop. You really have to be a developer to appreciate it. In time the functionality and power will trickle down to users.

@@richardwicks4190 how? :O

Saaaame

If you didn't understand much of what he said and care only about the privacy aspect then something like the /e/ phone would probably be a better pick, which is like any other smartphone but it runs a modified version of android without google's spyware.

@@prostagma3132 yeah I was looking at that yesterday. It seemed like alot of people have put some great effort into making it so that someone who isn't an expert can de-google a phone. However, I still had tons of questions that make me pretty nervous about potentially turning my only phone into a paperweight if I run into a scenario blind, without knowing how to get out if I get list or mess up. Have you used /e/? Can you tell me about your experience? I have a Samsung S9, which is on their list of phones, but I've also heard that US versions won't de-google. Thanks for any thoughts or feedback.

@@c.bro.572 No sorry, I haven't used the system as my phone it's not supported, but I plan to get one of their phones as soon as I can to test it out, that's why I purposefully phrased it like "something like the /e/ phone", because maybe any similar alternatives could work too. Regarding the flashing thing, last time I checked samsung releases their stock roms and has an official tool (ODIN) for flashing them, so I assume it's probably easy to get your phone back in case you soft-brick it when flashing the new system, though I'm not sure about that second thing you mention, haven't heard about it before.

@@prostagma3132 thanks for the reply, we'll get it figured out.

Have you ever heard of a Windows phone, it has been done before.

@@STONE69_ Of course I have but that failed

@@micaiahflores1592 I can't help but think this will have the same fate

@@clocked0 Well currently pine 64 is selling out every single time for nearly everything, so that has yet to be seen and I hope not regardless because this seems very strong. They ship like 4000 units per every couple of months.

@@micaiahflores1592 I hope one day I could run a Linux distro on a traditional Android phone similar to how you can run custom ROMs/How Ubuntu touch and sailfish were available on some. That would increase interest I'm sure

Yep. There's DOZENS of us!

yes

Absolutely

Me too. Sadly i am so much of a normie that i think i will try to get a desktop experience first before going into the mobile ecosystem. Like her mentioned the app availability and all is a pretty no no scenario for a normie like me

@Infinite Possibilities ...said who?

Phone goes vroom

LPDA for short.

Hopefully in the future :) thankfully there's always something to work towards. Currently a power efficient fully free risc-v phone is kind of the holy grail.

That would be sweet!

It’s not feasible to make a high performance risc v mobile processor atm

It’s been rumored that the pine phone to use the pine book pro set up

Pine64 is starting to push into using Risc-V processors in some of their products. So maybe some day there will be a Risc-V pinephone. That said it's more likely the next pinephone will be using a rockchip RK3566

timestamp?

@@yash1152 5:28

You got a 2gb or a 3gb? the 3gb is fast enough. isn't as fast as something like a 888 but for basic tasks it does the job.

It will get better as there's still a ton of optimizations that can be done... For example the new Arch Linux Arm builds with phosh now use F2FS, which makes a world of difference in app launch times.

@@izaicslinux6961 That's exactly what I'm running right now. It's amazing how this guy's image is way snappier than the default Manjaro one, isn't it? I'm not even complaining about the Pinephone being slow. It's meant to be an affordable platform for these mobile OS's to be developed on and my god do they need some time in the oven. They can do a lot but they can't really do anything well: Most apps only work partially because they don't scale correctly, cutting off some of the UI. Autorotate is currently missing in Phosh. Some apps don't bring up the keyboard. In Phosh, QT apps don't bring up the keyboard and in Plasma Mobile, GTK apps don't bring up the keyboard. And Plasma has no button to force the keyboard up which makes it unusable. Some apps are way blurrier than others. Sometimes the lockscreen doesn't respond, forcing me to hold the power button down and hard resetting the phone. I wish there was a way to disable it completely. Scrolling in some apps is broken. Often lists start jerking around and flinging themselves to the top or bottom, no matter how careful I'm trying to scroll. Using desktop browsers like Firefox is actually a pain in the butt. The UI takes up way too much screen space, especially in landscape, and it's generally super slow and unresponsive. Chromium is a much better experience even though it's one of those blurry apps that don't bring up the keyboard. It STILL takes too long to ring when it recieves a call in deep sleep. It also stops playing music and disconnects my bluetooth headphones when the screen has been off for a couple of minutes. I've just disabled deep sleep completely even though the battery drain is now insane. There NEEDS to be an app store which has only mobile optimized apps. Sifting through all those desktop apps just to find one that kinda works is not fun, especially since the GNOME software store has the scrolling problem I mentioned earlier. But yeah I'm still excited about the idea of mainline linux on mobile and hope someday it won't be a complete dumpster fire :D

@@JeFi2 Unfortunately that's par for the course with community developed software with basically no paid developers working behind the scenes. It will take quite some time before things even out. Thankfully once the groundwork is done things should go a lot smoother into the future, even once we get a new pinephone upgrade with a better SOC such as the likely RK3566 candidate.

@@izaicslinux6961 unfortunately danctnix won't increase ram clocks so incoming call reception is terrible

Sailfish OS was ready a decade ago, but he is not really talking about it, which is sad...

*Retropie It uses emulationstation And looks very nice With all the retroarch system, you can say that retro arch is like arch where as retropie is like debian

I ran retro arch on mypinephone so yes it works

I like what you did there

I use the key2 which is a great phone build, but runs Android so not the same as good ole BB

Agreed. But even in today's world I bet even BES servers would be subject to the Canadian gov. Smartphone privacy from big brands is a thing of the past.

A larger screen can help with productivity just say it

Don't forget they copy it when "syncing".

Yes, they are smartphones. Deal with it and get over it and deal with it again.

How did it go? Did you buy one?

The reverse, I would say. I ditched Windows for Linux on my PC years ago (as a user, not a programmer), and never looked back. You can try-b4-u-buy: get an old $50 laptop, install MX Linux on it & discover what it's like to use something built by users, for users, to do whatever you want, how you want - rather than just whatever you're sold / 'allowed' to do. Find & install decent programs rather than apps that spam & limit you. IMHO 😸👍

@@jezzamobile there's also the dual boot option. That's how I started using Linux and slowly made the switch to it being my primary OS

@@Suicidekings_ Yup! Good point 👍

I use linux everyday and despite wanting to be a programmer i only know very basic stuff for linux like sudo pacman -Syu. I barely touch the command line other tham that or maybe htop

I'm a Linux user for two years now and I haven't coded a single program. Not a semblance of C or Python at ALL, and I'm already on Source distros. I'll say you're fine :). you do have to spend some time to learn all the jargon, but it isn't that bad. You don't have to memorize all the commands, what with Tab autocompletion and the matter. I don't even know HALF of the core utilities.

I've had WiFi issues with the PinePhone so idk.

wait, LINMOB? How'd you get here? you make FABULOUS content!

@@mecrumbly429___4 Thanks! How I got here? Well, I sort of I must be here for my blog's weekly update on all things Linux Phone ;-)

What about the website equivalent

@@SFSAtlas there are many banks that nowadays do not have a website with all the functionalities of the Android/iOS apps or that even require the app as authenticator for the website.

The solution: Anbox.

Something like that allready was a thing befor. It just died becouse its nothing a normal user will ever buy or us its there to play around for tiny procentig of peopl .

That's the power of USB-C, if it's a proper implementation, you can split out to a USB-C dock and have a full-sized HDMI port. Gardiner has a video of that mostly working.

if you buy a dock (usb-c), in one plug you connect your phone to a dual monitor, charger, mouse&keyboard and all external stuff you have.

Two USB-C ports does everything

@JoJo Rumbies, did u not know that it can already be used as a desktop computer, i mean, he even said in video 3:32 that u can dock it to monitor. and common, everyone know how multipurpose usb-c is with all those phones lacking the headphone jack in 2019. seems to me u were just roasting.

USB-C like what the pinephone uses would be far better

"smartphone-sized keyboardless laptops" that uses ARM CPUs (efficiency).

That's one way to put it. Maybe a bit more like a Surface-style tablet (in a phone size) in that you can use it without the extra bits attached, but if you dock it you can get a bit more comfort.

@@SoundToxin So, a pocket-sized 2-in-1? lol

@@SoundToxin Well the Surface Duo runs android so that's the closest you are going to get using a traditional operating system on a phone. Someone will put Linux on the Duo cos Microsoft ❤️ Linux 😁

That's how easy it is 5:47 Not like GB said "jump through a lot of hoops to get it working on Android"

@@truboxl I think the hoops he meant was the process of rooting your phone. In Termux I couldn't get "sudo" to work and can't see nor enter directories outside of one session directory so it's not the full experience.

get ready, the Linux elitists won't be happy...

the Banking apps issue is easily solved by using the Bank's website in the phone browser, yes it usually clunky and not very touch friendly, but if mobile banking is not something you need to do multiple times every day, then this should not hold you back from switching over.

FB owns WhatsApp now, so that would defeat the purpose.

WhatsApp has a web client now, and Anbox exists.

@@charliekahn4205 we're not running a 12-16GB monster to virtualise and be constantly running parallel processes and still not see any lags. Not to mention the battery drain. On top it, we don't have a hardware keyboard handy all the time to troubleshoot. Architecturally, a smartphone is just a weaker computer with different dimensions but it cannot treated as such if you're serious about daily driving it. It should be 100% noob friendly for every feature advertised. Restart / recover gracefully in case of errors and have monetary incentive to ensure dev support and an app ecosystem.

Amen to that.

Yes I will kill them with my machete I named kindness

Yeah, but that's improving.

"laptop battery low" it's been years, and they still haven't changed that on phosh...

You can have apps too.

@@FloydBunsen yes. But not as polished as ios or Android. best we'll get is some emulated android apps or some web apps.

@@hasanbanoon5091 maybe we could get something to get it to play android apps like wine android edition or something

Oh man I'm even ready to ditch the Android apps and switch my family to using open source alternatives. But there has to be an actual good phone with like good battery and camera and headphone Jack. If that happens, I'll buy it the day I watch it's review

@@developerpranav kind of similar situation here. Id buy one as soon as i can if hear that the hardware has been improved with these linux pocket-devices. I see my phone as something that does a few simple tasks fast and occasionally few many heavy tasks which are power hungry. having a phone that is reliable can help a lot, especially if its one of these devices

@@necrobynerton7384 yeah and I think the camera quality will be the biggest hurdle

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QNls0t4Go68.html

We're the illiterate masses, not really welcome here.

get a 30 dollar Nexus 5 and use the super easy installer from the Ubports site...it really is that easy

dude, I haven't been here that long compared to other Linux users here, and I'm comfortable. besides, Posh is pretty easy...

It actually is pretty easy in everyday use; it's just that if you want to change things and do power-user things, you can.

They are definitely not good phones for taking photos/video. The PinePhone is limited to 5MP photos and currently 1080p@15 video. The cameras currently don't have kernel support on the Librem 5. For more info, see: source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Frequently-Asked-Questions#27-how-good-will-the-librem-5-cameras-be

@@amosbatto3051 Thank you for sharing this infromation. I expect they'll slowly bring the software support for the hardware up and enable at least 30 FPS 1080p video capture. As a videomaker who doesn't own a dedicated portable camera, and doesn't have a budget for one I consider my phone an important part of the studio. I'll wait and see. Some people told me a Raspberry Pi with a camera shield can be a better idea for now :D

Thats what we call an "oxymoron" i believe?

Still not thick as Nokia. But good enough, at least it has Linux on it. ;-)

I want to see that vs too

If you're willing to really re-think how you use Android, you can get away from Google services entirely. I run LineageOS without any gapps or microg or any of that stuff. I get all my apps from F-Droid. It actually works extremely well. I've been doing it for years now. (I also have a PinePhone, but I don't use it much at this stage)

can you use microsoft authenticator, teams, outlook, etc.? i need that for work. then of course i happens often enough, that i have isdues with various web logins, and so on. im not saying it cant work for some, even many, but for me, i just dont see how, and the main issue is google services.

​@@FelixNielsen Microsoft Authenticator (as well as Google Authenticator) is really just an app implementing TOTP. You can use any TOTP app for this. F-Droid has "andOTP" if you want something dedicated to this, but my favorite for this use-case is keepassdx on my phone or keepassxc on my computer, since I also use them as my password manager. It's especially nice to have on a PC so you don't have to whip out your phone all the time. Outlook is email, this should be pretty simple as well. Grab K-9 Mail from F-Droid, sign in. Anything that uses IMAP will work. Microsoft Teams here is the most tricky, because that's the most proprietary and unique thing. I understand if you're already stuck using it, but I have to say that I would recommend avoiding Teams and other proprietary chat solutions if at all possible. There are some good free software alternatives. Jitsi Meet for video chat, Matrix or XMPP for more traditional chat, and even IRC can work very well these days if you just need text (and believe it or not, often you *do* just need text).

@Cesar Valle Currently a OnePlus 5. I have also used it on a OnePlus 3 and 2.

That is why an android layer, like in Sailfish OS, is a pretty good solution. So you can use two ecosystems as long the own ecosystem lacks apps.

It's got literally all the apps you have on desktop PureOS... But done just need a little tweaking

There are a huge number of GTK and Qt desktop apps that can be adapted to run on the Librem 5 and PinePhone with libhandy and Kirigami classes, plus you can run web pages as "web apps" in Phosh and people have already gotten Android apps to run inside Anbox in Phosh, Ubuntu Touch, postmarketOS, Mobian, etc. It will take time, but I see a clear path for mobile Linux to be a viable alternative to Android.

@@amosbatto3051 ok, let me try to explain: Imagine you buy some device for your home, maybe a solar system or something. The manufacturer gives you an app to configure it, but the app is only available in the apple and android store. How do you think will you ever bring manufacturers to the point where they build their apps for 1000trillion shops? That wont happen. So to get around this the open source community has to build its own shop- and appsystem like "harbour / open repos" on Mer, Meego, Sailfish OS or just use the android stuff with an emulation layer like on Sailfish OS. There is no way around that, except you don't want to configure your new bought gadget. There might be a day in the future when all the manufacturers just build web apps, that would be okay too, but right now, we all need the android appsystem when we want a real linux smartphone that can handle everything.

You could just use the regular PC apps.

The general consensus is that Linux phone means a phone running mainline linux

@@izaicslinux6961 by that definition linux phones don't exist yet

@@atzedanjo3829 Yes they do. The pinephone can boot from mainline Linux.

@@izaicslinux6961 interesting. none of the compatible distributions listed on their site use a mainline kernel by default. I just assumed that there's some patching needed

GLPDA GNU/Linux Personal Digital Assistant.

Flash a nexus five with UBports, it's pretty easy. SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS

There's already an ecosystem. It inherits the one from Linux on PC.

Not that I would consider myself "old" per se, I do share your frustration with being ignorant of alternative forms of tech. However, I think part of the point of privacy is being able to commit yourself to learning this stuff without relying on others exclusively. I have been slowly preparing to make a move towards Linux and un-shackle myself from Google and the like, my best guess is to start with something like a cheapo raspberry pi and learn the basics from there. I guess what I'm saying is, although it can be confusing, the best way to learn is to just dive in and mess around. No tech angel is going to descend from the heavens to show you how. We on our own, which is kind of the point (privacy). Cheers!

it ain't the hardest. this guy makes it look hard cause he throws jargon. for instance, SSH is a remote desktop client (you can access your computer remotely, but only through the terminal, and only if SSH is set up on the other computer).

This post talked about having Signal working on the Librem 5, but there was a lot of steps involved : www.reddit.com/r/Purism/comments/k0c8jd/signal_on_the_librem_5_via_axolotl_server_mode/

Because I know that WhatsApp works using Anbox and Signal is very similar to it, I would assume it works using Anbox. But I would also prefer running the native desktop client.

the pinebook's keyboard is krep

Mobian is pretty good on the PinePhone. Some issues, however, can only be solved on the firmware/driver level, like taking too long to receive a call when the phone is sleeping.

I don't think the Librem 5 has LUKS encryption yet for the eMMC partition, but it is definitely one of the goals to implement it. Verification that the boot files haven't changed is also a goal.