'You weren't even alive when these games were played' 🤣 Mad Dog & JJ Redick on NBA eras | First Take 

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It's happened before

You are beyond right lol

💩 when you get JJ and Mad Dog anything is up for grabs 😂

This not the first time JJ shut him up. Lol

mad dog is 100% right . ofc if you watch the games 40 years later on youtube your gonna see something different but jj is just a stat nerd, stats don't tell the whole story it's so disrespectful and i'm sick of it

@@paulmccarthy4277 found the old guy… tape doesn’t lie doesn’t matter how long ago it was

He has the same takes except his eras takes all involve 2003-present. When the game shifts 10 years from now he will argue just like everyone else that that time he played was the greatest most skilled era ever and some kid will be like "Nah the Bryce James era was peak"

Mad Dog is right. JJ. is an arrogant dummy. He thinks he's better than Bob Cousy.

@@paulmccarthy4277 lol he is not right at all, all you old heads saying your gen was better. Bird was a killer but there’s players nowadays who are way better shooters than he ever was

Well to be fair. One was great at what he did in the profession that one believes he knows the differences of great because he spectated.

@@crashHypnotize JJ was great at what? U talking about college basketball? This was a debate about the nba. JJ's entitled to his opinion but he wasn't no great player 👎🏽

JJ never elevated any team to win a championship and he has the nerve to insult a whole era of basketball? JJ just needs to hang up the mic and enjoy the money.

@@ericmcgowan1993 put jj in the 70s they gonna think he God

JJ was an incredible college player and played 15 years. That’s a success!

He a 🤡🤡🤡

Jj never watched Larry Bird play has no clue what he is talking about

Mad Dog so old he was at a NBA game in the 80s with a toupee 😂

​@@jamesross9906 that's not important to what the original post is about

ABSOLUTELY

they will never

He could show him how 6'7 players had to actually jump for a dunk then. Now the rims are lower. Also loose rims and they made the FT line way closer around 2012. It's easy to see.

@@jimbrave1923um no what conspiracies are u watching 😂

@@jimbrave1923 rims are definitely looser, the rest of this is pure ignorance.

Yeah sipping his latte at the end.🤣☠️

Mad dog is like that old uncle who loves to rile up his nephews talking about how great the past was and it’s great TV

Mad dog is stuck in the past and JJ is a prisoner of the moment. One day JJ is gonna be mad dog 💯

@@ericmcgowan1993jj will never turn out like that retard lol

JJ a clown 😂👏🏻

@@joeknapp9162 JJ was clowning on a clown take. How is watching tape not valuable? NBA players would attend more games in person instead of spending hours in the media room, if watching tape didn't give the full picture. And JJ was being kind, he could easily have said, "well you may have been sitting in the stands, but I was on the court". Truth is, JJ actually knows what he is talking about, he's got the numbers and the knowledge to support his argument, Doggy is just a provocateur.

Yeah, you’re right.

nah, he's vocal about wanting to entertain the audience

​@@thehoboman he's not very entertaining if we're being honest 🤷

@@TheDON914 you can lie if you want to

@@TheDON914 so why are you watching his show rn?

Fantastic points! But modern basketball fans don’t understand that!

Today’s players are bigger, stronger and faster than those before them. No serious person can dispute that. Because of that teams can switch anything and still have a good matchup.

@@jamesmclean5204 Athletes today benefit greatly from advanced systems and rules that protect them. The spacing on the floor helps them look faster, but at that level, all of the generations would have the top tier athletes of their respective times. The difference is the way the game is played. Durant would get locked up in the 90’s, and that gets proven when he goes up against physical defenders like Tatum. LeBron’s size would keep him battling the bigger guys in the paint because he does not have the finesse of Magic or Jordan. Teams can switch up because nobody really defends in todays NBA. Plus with the prominence of the 3 ball, the game has become way more one dimensional.

Every response under this is love

@@jamesmclean5204 who’s stronger than Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Shaq, Rodman, and Ben Wallace from this era?

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣I hate how accurate this is.

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Facts😂😂😂

Lol 😂🤣

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Lmaoooo

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Lol

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You are very logical I wish we had more reasonable people like you on T.V. but I get it, if we have too many reasonable people like you on T.V. it would be boring. We need characters who are outlandish because that is what makes T.V. entertaining. It makes sense but it can be anoyying.

This has to be the greatest comment. Bro you are 100 percent right on this.

Players are better though. It's just factual. The average player of today is better than the average player of the nineties just like the average player of the 90s was better than the average player of the 60s. Sure there's other factors but players today are better and the league is better.

I've pointed this out to him on his own channel - JJ has an extreme blind-spot when it comes to a) LeBron and b) protecting his own era.

@@Zack_410 None of that is true. There has been extensive research over the years that debunks the belief that players get better with each era in sports. What is shown is technology, and nutrition gets better but not necessarily the player/athlete.

Man his face is just so smug lmao

@@jaggedarts33 I think that's the key differentiator.. Mad Dog plays the role with a wink, as does Stephen A for the most part, and it's done as entertainment. It rarely seems personal in terms individual players (Kyrie and Stephen A not withstanding). Skip on the other hand has made his TV career on very personal, and relentless, criticism of individual players (Aikman, LeBron, T.O., etc.). It's also schtick, same as Mad Dog, but it doesn't feel the same.

Yeah mad dog is necessary. Makes the debates engaging 😊

I can’t stand that mf

and JJ falls for it every single time

If Bird played today he would be one of the best if not the best 3 point shooter in the NBA. I love how we want to separate eras when it comes to comparing stats and defense but somehow era doesn't matter when it comes to shooting. JJ is silly, Bird is absolutely a top 5 shooter even though he doesn't have top 5 attempts and makes.

Actually Bird told Bill Simmons on his podcast that he would have retired right away if Len Bias lived to play with the Celtics

Yes, you're completely right. Mad Dog didn't articulate it very well, but the very fact that Larry wasn't a volume 3-point shooter and then could hit crucial 3s when required actually says more about his 3 point shooting than if you'd fired up 10 already in the game. And JJ's comment insinuating that his era was more physical than the 80s/90s is so utterly ridiculous - JJ wouldn't have survived in the league back then.

Because he wasn't the greatest shooter ever. He wasn't good enough to change the way the game was played from the 3. Doesn't mean he isn't a great shooter.

@@skillethead153 Point shooter? No. Overall yeah he has an argument. They were talking about 3 point shooting.

Because he’s been getting destroyed on twitter continuously

Because he trust JJ to hold the fort

SAS in this stage of his career is looking at these segments on a producer stand point. he knows it's good tv, ain't no way he's gonna cut these 2 just to make his point..

He liked the fact Mad Dog told JJ wasn't alive and the physical play isn't the same as today so basically Mad dog and Stephen A doesn't like this generation of players in all reality

I wonder how good he would be now.

U jealous

Didn't Ruth retire right b4 the black players were allowed to Play lol

a little overreach there 🤣🤣

@@qualinteranzy7948 what does that have to do with baseball and hitting a 90mph fastball fool.

Mad Dog really hasn't watched a single minute of the NBA since the 90's lmaooo

Except the worst championship to watch ever was the Lakers and Pistons. Even Kobe said he was figuring out how to miss properly so they could play great defense. Worst game ever.

@@awwwsy what r u talkin bout

it is good, but dangerous. JJ is gonna lead a whole generation into believing false things, simply due to his strong bias. Imo it is disrespectful

@@evolucien1309 wrong things like what

@@bossb1064 jj relies on being articulate, clean cut and numbers alone to be considered reliable. But he skews the relationship between facts and numbers. I think he does it purposefully. here is a quick example: JJ's logic: Modern shooters shoot a higher percentage than Bird and make more than Bird in total, so thus MUST be better than Bird. 👆👆 because the "numbers" say so right? JJ's logic mirrored: Modern day high school boys run faster and jump farther than Jesse Owens, so they too in turn, according to the "numbers" MUST be better than Jesse Owens right? Whenever comparing different eras, we have to consider the other variables: 1. importance of the 3pt shot directly effects how often it will be practiced and thus how good one can become at it 2. modern science directly effects performance and longevity 3. current rules giving modern players more space, more confidence that if missed they arent being benched because the shot was "analytically" the better shot etc... To simply say the "numbers" say this or that is idiotic and irresponsible. So Vanilla Ice was the goat before digital downloads, madonna IS the best female vocalist of all time, the Spice Girls are the best female singing group of all time?🤦‍♂️🤣🤷‍♂️

As though his memories are a more accurate record of what happened than the tape. Lol

Madd dogg was spot on though

It's funny because it's true 💯

@Rock So, The tapes don't show what Dog saw? And let's be real.... We only watch about 5-10% of a players career

@@lrdmcd914 mad dog thinks JJ only watched some doctored highlight videos and JJ never said anything to dispute that

I agree with this

Well your opinion is factually wrong

@@Zack_410 how?

@@Zack_410 where you alive

@@xerospades players are bigger, faster, stronger, and more skilled nowadays. the schemes are more complex and the international game has added another level to the competition.

Russo loves getting under J.J.’s skin. 🤷🏻‍♂️👍🏻😂

it IS good, but he is not logical enough and spreads too many lies.

@@evolucien1309how so????what he lie about?

He knows he's to intelligent for Mad Dog

@@evolucien1309 lies about what

@@evolucien1309dude is literally talking about math

Exactly 😂😂😂 it was great

That's a OG Diss

@@wah8139 respect your OGs that’s the problem with this new internet generation. Was born in 93’ btw

@@felix3033 fine line between respect and delusion..these old heads think anything that came out of there era shits gold while everybody from this era can’t play..when the matter of the fact is this era is by far and away more skilled and talented than it was back then.

Talk yo shyte @Mad Dawg 💪🏾💪🏾😎

I was cringing by the end i was hoping mad dog was gonna come with something a little more air tight than larry birds performance at the three pt contest

Curry has one of the lowest free throw rates it’s insane. When I heard that line I started to laugh 😂. If he shoots 5+ in a game it’s a miracle

@@ninjamonkey808 you are right Steph drops like 40 on very few free throws

They just saying whatever at this point

Very crazy

Dude I had to take a min to process what he said. Not accounting for free-throws Curry prolly scores the most points out of anyone.

Me too lol

Fr😂😂

Actually he doesn't on the REAL

they think he lives at ft line cause he makes 90%plus,stats confirm he is the superstar with the least calls

Lmao jj and mad dog said nah we finishin this 😂😂😂

Basically showing he cant survive without Skip or a Special Guest.

@@byronstringer76 BWAHAHA!!! Costco Skippy B. You sir win comment of the week 😆😆

Mad dog was befor skip came up in the sport news skip is the Costco version the Mad dog is the original

@@RhodesianSuperiority omega virgin

@@RhodesianSuperiority I accused you of something based off your comment, that was it. Generally the one going on about insecurities and being personally insulted are the butthurt ones. No capitols or emojis or ! to signify anger, just 2 words and I am personally insulted. Was this just proof you are too dumb to be giving out opinions on era's in NBA history? You can't grasp simple english so how could you grasp a tougher concept 🤦

​@@RhodesianSuperiority bro make your own points. Stop repeating stuff you've heard other people say

@@scottiedpoy8508 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Facts

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mad dog is 100% right . ofc if you watch the games 40 years later on youtube your gonna see something different. but jj reddick is just a stat nerd , stats don't tell the whole story. it's so disrespectful and i'm sick of it

@@paulmccarthy4277 if you watching the same game 40 years later it’s still the same game. JJ is right

@@bossb1064 not only that I’m pretty sure him actually playing and being a top ten three point player in history.

it’s classic, but jj has obviously watched 80’s bball MUCH more recently than mad dog has.

@@OGSVN no he hasn't

@@OGSVN no he hasn’t. You’re missing the whole point from mad dog smh

Why? Because youtube shows the truth

@@InuYasha2276 no i’m not lol. his point was stupid lmao. you can only comment on things you’ve seen in person? that’s literally a logical fallacy lol

No he didn’t…. Lmfaooo

Nah he got destroyed 😂

Both lost. JJ is not nearly as smart as he thinks he is.

@@trashcandy. fair assessment. 👍🏼👍🏼

@@trashcandy. jj is too biased from this modern day nba like Gilbert Arenas and mad dog is too old school in way of thinking 🤔

Its like LBJ fans who never seen MJ or others play. How you doing a 1 sided argument? The guys that seen both in real time do have a better case to decide. Like it or not. Being at the games IS different then pulling some highlights. Dont forget some games people saw that Bird may have been amazing may not even have highlights. Certain people and games get lost in history Ez. Mike Miller was an AMZING shooter. Shot over 40% a lot of his career and had big games with the Heat but if you didn't see... you may not agree

Watch a game from the 90s it'll put u to sleep.. everybody posting up and watching, missing uncontested 3s and midranges, no crossover, less athletic players, less jelly layups.. playoffs is where there becomes more a balance now and 3point shooting is crucial to space and open up the floor

The issue is your defense has to be elite to compensate for the teams like G State who are so dead accurate from 3.

I agree. the style of play today sucks. It's more like watching the globetrotters than an actual basketball game.

@@speedylucero93 Its a grind. It's way more fun to watch physical games and grind it out games rather than everyone shooting 3s like they are in a 3 point contest.

@@speedylucero93 it also created more rivalries

Imo he would be a taller, better passer, better shooter, better rebounder, better iq, tougher, more competitive version of luka, bird is built for the modern nba

@@MazevG sigh

Doubt it lol stop overrating him he had a stack team

@@Therambler972 He's in the hof buddy...one of 3 players to 3 peat for mvp and could shoot the lights out of the gym...he'd wreck in todays game

@@Therambler972 Not really, if you actually look at those teams it was Bird and McHale mostly those other guys were just role players.

You don’t win 3 three point contests in a row and invent the 50/40/90 club if you aren’t tho

@@mattwatts33they sleeping on the bird 🦅

JJ has no respect for past stars and he himself wouldn't have even made Larry bird's team back in the day.

@@mattwatts33 on 2 attempts per game lol. There are way more players that shoot a better percentage on way higher volume

@@cars0950 more attempts sure, but the 3 point shot wasn’t a point of emphasis in the 80’s-90’s. To be that accomplished in an era where the 3 wasn’t even practiced says a lot about Larry ability to shoot 3’s

JJ would murder him before halftime

Won't work because JJ played so he himself thinks he's better than a lot of players before him.

that’s cause if you watch the tape you realize he is. watch shots jjs taking and making in his career, we shouldn’t compare its apples and oranges but guys today are faster stronger in better shape and more skilled then guys from the past it’s not a knock on them. basketball is evolving always

Great idea

Ur take is the most special edumacation of all time

@@longlivedagoat3109 bro what

These dudes do not watch the games steph hardly gets calls

@@kerrybaker7537 He really doesn't. lol Steph is avg 5.4 FT attempts per game. compared to league leading Joel Embid's 11.6 attempts. Steph is below half of the league leader. lol They play different positions, but it just goes to show, he ain't living on the Free throw line

Doggy is just another delusional old head you can’t talk hoops with him

Why not both?

@@ddp5406 Highlight 3’s don’t come nearly as often as a highlight dunk.

Still 1 more point 🤷🏾‍♂️

@@johnathangaddy8027 Still not nearly as fun to watch

I'd rather see some post ups an team basketball.

Back in the day everyone actually played defense because they wanted their team to win. Now it is like a collection of individual players on each team.

On shooting alone the debate makes no sense. Even JJ shot a higher percentage for his career than Bird. None of that ever mattered to Larry, because he was winning.

not bs tho. jj doesnt use logic in his frequent "numbers" debates. Simply put...Vanilla Ice, Spice Girls, Madonna, Karl Malone, Emmit Smith, etc.

JJ's problem is that he thinks he is an all-time great himself.

@@HamptonGuitars facts. And he thinks he knows everything and gets mad when somebody else tells him something who knows just as much basketball as him

The JJ slander for no reasons. University of Maryland fans huh, give up dag

@@HamptonGuitars What does this have to do with anything? 💀 You are incapable of disputing anything that JJ said because he is right. You have to be delusional to be on Mad Dog’s side

You are absolutely correct.

It’s gonna get physical 😂

They’ve ran the “which era is more physical” argument sooo many times. Every time these old-heads talk about the 80s-90s it’s the same talking points, and it’s impossible to convince them in any way

@@joebidet3606 Funny thing is, you have players that've played in both eras say the exact same things people who've watched both eras in real time..that's then corroborated by the literal changes in the NBA rulebook and quotes from the owners and league officials themselves. The game was more physical in the late 80s-90s. The scores show it. The players say it. The coaches say it. The rule book changes support it. And people who watched both, in real time, noticed the changes too. There is NO such thing as an enforcer today. It is a fact that the role existed for sure until 15-20 years ago. Nobody questions the NFL being less physical now than 15+ years ago when literally the same arguments as the NBA (to a lesser degree) are said. Can't convince an old-head because the old-head isn't crazy and knows what they saw.

@@gumballwaterson1957 what you’re saying is true if you’re only considering hard fouls = physicality. How about workload, possessions per game, pace of play, and overall level of strength and fitness among players? Lots of these metrics are also physical at its core, and has been corroborated and proven to have detrimental effects to the body over time. When looking at games from previous eras, there is much more standing and waiting around in todays game - which is way more active. Not to mention rule changes such as the introduction of help defense, which poses an entirely different dynamic than pre-2000s ball. If the league is so soft nowadays, why are there still so many great players getting severely injured?

You need to look up Larry bird resume. Don't be a bafoon with JJ in this segment. Good grief 🤦‍♂️

ya you can tell this whole segment was to get JJ hella into it lmaoo. JJ is very passionate about certain topics. Kudos to the OG's for knowing how to play the tv role mad dog seems like a nice dude

Jj was right on the money, it's so much easier to get your shot back in the 80's then today. It's like they didn't no how to guard off the ball or contest a jumper

I relayed that sequence so many times today I can’t stop laughing. Mad Dog knows how to get JJ hot 😆