This is the reason that Jamie Lannister was so interested in seeing Ned Stark fight. He had allegedly beaten the best swordsman in the world & one of Jamie's heroes. The Kingslayer couldn't claim to be the best until he had crossed blades with Ned.
@@EerieChroniclesTV there were many strong contenders. Ned stark would never be able to beat sir Arthur dayne. If another man didn't stabbed him from behind. At that time also the hound, sthe mountain, sir barrister salmy all were contender for the best swordsman.
And just a little reminder, the stunt double for Arthur Dayne was the guy who portrayed the Night King. Just imagine what he could've done had they given him an actual fight scene.
maybe there was a scene in which jon finally fights night king But those dumb and dumber dudes scrapped it Imagine a scene in which night king reaches close to bran and jon is last line of defence Everything is falling apart, winterfell is in ruins, almost all jon's allies are dead and he barely wins against night king but tht too after losing part of his humanity bcz night king managed to stab jon before getting stabbed in the heart
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that this swordfighting taking place was done by the actor who played Dayne, himself, as he is also an accomplished Swordsman.
After watching anime attack on titan , no spoilers, they delivered on the ending it still had some that didn't like it but they landed the story. They foreshadowed the night king for seasons and didn't deliver. It was the darkest night in that fight scene but it was hard to see. Could have worked a way of illuminating it better and the night king fights weren't there when they could have been. Still a great show up to season 5 were sersie blew them all up.
@@JPK1337 yeah, it was completley non-believeble. Like at least make him lightning fast and Dawn sharp as hell like it would cut through anything. That would at least restore some equilibrium. Like he fights in bursts and if you f-ck up youre dead
A nice detail is you can see Ned's conflict after Dayne is stabbed, he CLEARLY doesn't like that the fight was won in a dishonorable manner and all he can do is give Dayne a swift end. He even returned Dayne's sword to his family after.
I think this is the wrong read (lol) about Ned Stark here. Later Ned Stark clearly stated to Jamie that he doesn't fight in tourneys so when he fights for real, he doesn't want a man to know what he can do. In that sense, Ned knows that a real fight, where both fighters intend on killing each other isn't about honorable tactics but a must win. Maybe it was a transformation on what he thought was honorable since that fight and the following war/rebellion. Even Brandon's reaction "he stabbed him in the back" is kind of eye-roll. In the same time you find out what really happened, you also find out that your honorable father lied about it, and soon after we know the even bigger lie (or secret?) he was keeping. I feel like the details around Ned Stark's honor is something that can be (maybe is, I've only read the first book) explored considerably more deep even though he's dead.
@@EbonySeraphim Ned never lied about it, though. He's never given a full accounting of it. All we ever really hear him say is that he "he would have died if not for Howland Reed". He certainly doesn't go around boasting that he slew Arthur Dayne in single combat. Ned behaves for the most part with impeccable honor, and the handful of times we do see him lie, it's for good reason and to preserve more lives and make peace (e.g. when he agrees to plead guilty to treason and take the black, or when he lies about Jon Snow's parentage in order to save the child's life, assuming that is how it will play out in the novels). More interesting to examine is someone like Selmy, who is also renowned for his honor, but served the Mad King and even Joffrey for a time.
Whatever people may have against The Mad King, he had some of the absolute best Kingsguard ever. Ser Gerold Hightower, Ser Arthur Dayne, Ser Barristan Selmy, Ser Jaime Lannister, Prince Lewin Martell. Absolute beasts!
@@tacoblude8208 I have actually read the books, I meant that this combo of 7 Kingsguard were probably the best and most popular among any Kingsguard any King ever got. Another King that had even come close to such a level was probably Jaeherys!
@@patrickbird7625 Prince Lewyn Martell was slain by Ser Lyn Corbray at the Trident! He was badly wounded before the fight, probably why Ser Lyn was able to kill him!
I don’t know how it would’ve ever happened, but watching Ser Arthur Dayne fight Syrio Forel (both in their prime) would’ve been the fight of the century. Even a sparring match between the two would’ve been better than any other fights in the show.
@@heathermillsphantomlimb9314 Would have loved to have seen Jaime in his prime, Ser Barristan in a flash back, yes Syrio of course and more of Arthur Dayne in more flashbacks
@@Honmatres Everyone forgets about Young Robert Baratheon ! The man was a beast ! Prince Rhegar was a lethal fighter in his own right & RB caved his chest in .
I feel the implication of Dayne’s line is underrated, he’s saying “I wish you good fortune in the wars to come” because he knows that the birth of Jon is going to lead to a lot of problems for everyone in the future
@@supermanjp83I think he knew it was unlikely. Yes, it’s the best of the best against really…nobody of note when it comes to skill but at the same time still out numbered by a lot. So, really the answer is who knows and it’s whatever you believe his intentions were because there is no definitive
@@supermanjp83I think he was just being polite. If Ned dies, he doesnt have to worry about the future anymore, so it doesnt matter what he says. If he lives, he will need that good fortune endeed. Arthur seems like a polite enough guy, he recognizes he could die there, so any good will that he wants to communicate, he says before the battle.
Yeah it's an incredibly unrealistic-Hollywood esque-fight, no explainable reason why they had him like this and paid zero focus to his MAGICAL fucking sword that was forged from a damn fallen star ffs
If you think about it, Ser Arthur and Ser Gerold fought against Ned Stark and his bannermen to protect Jon (Aegon), fearing that Robert/Ned would kill the infant if they ever came to know. But eventually, Ned ended up doing the same by saving Jon by himself. Ser Arthur fought for honour and died a dishonourable death for nothing. :(
They kind of gave us a red herring (so many)as Reed was still alive and he was the only living person who knew Jon's true identity....and we never met his older version.
There are men who fought honorably. They lie in the ground. The only way to fight is to win by any means necessary. Winning is the only true form of honor in war.
I love how many parallels there were between Ned and Dayne's death. Both were injured by a foe from behind, both were performing their duties to the king, both were killed by the neck and were both honorable swordsmen who only lost because of circumstances beyond their skills
sorry but this is not a great comparison and almost seems like you're forcing an answer to an essay prompt. one "from behind" is figurative, the other is not. one was stabbed in the neck during combat, the other had his head chopped off in front of a crowd. dayne most certainly could have prevented being killed either by finishing howland reed while he was down or just killing ned sooner, and so could Ned because everyone character knows he was being an idiot, and you could say the same for any character in GOT who died
@anonymus3703 he means that ned stark was speared in the knee from behind during his fight with Jaime lannister. And the final blow was to the neck from his own sword
If Arthur had won imagine the different story we would’ve gotten. An outlaw Kingsguard from the lost regime raising Aegon (Jon) as the secret prince who was promised and chosen one, preparing him to take the throne and fulfill his destiny and making him the next greatest swordsman
Roberts Rebellion is too damn good of a story, just the premise that Robert went against targayreans falsely thinking that Lyana loved him and even beat Rheagar targayrean in a duel,it’s just mind blowing. Shows how even a rebellion built on hoax where either party is not in the wrong is designed so well.
The rebellion was not a hoax and the Targaryens were in the wrong from the start. The Lyana/Rheagar question isn't even that relevant when you think about it, because what really started the war was the execution of Ned's father and brother and the order given to Jon Arryn to turn in both Robert and Ned. Rheagar was incompetent and irresponsible to say the least, he fled with Lyana without thinking about the repercussions of what he was doing, knowing that both Rickard and Robert for sure would question the crown about what happened to Lyana and knowing that his father was already a unstable men who burned people alive for fun, he ignored all that, didn't take any precautions and got himself and his family killed because of it.
What started the war was the torture and execution of Rickard and Brandon Stark, Ned's father and older brother, followed by the Mad King demanding Jon Arryn put to death Ned and Robert and bring their heads to King's Landing. That's was what started the war, and it was definitely no "hoax".
@@robervalhaha You are 100% correct. Rhaegar was definitely very irresponsible, and very reckless. And it started way before he ran off with Lyanna Stark. It started at the tourney at Harrenhal when he managed to very publicly disrespect his own wife and 3 great houses - Starks, Martells, and Baratheons - all in one fell swoop when he won the tourney and then crowned Lyanna the Queen Of Love & Beauty instead of his own wife, in front of THOUSANDS of people, and both every great and lesser Lord in Westeros lol. Talk about reckless smh lol. Rhaegar was just like, "Fuck it, I'm goin for it!"
“He stabbed him in the back.” It’s Arthur Dayne. Stabbing him in the front is basically impossible. When your opponent is that damn good, you’ve got to fight without honor.
To be fair, the man who did it was a Reed, and they mostly stick in the Neck between the North and everything else. The only fixed emplacement they have and the only formal defenders they have are at Moat Cailin; the rest of them melt into the marsh and use guerilla tactics, so sneak attacks are basically what they're known for.
@@martinm.1967 she was rhaegar's prisoner. rhaegar kidnapped her and graped her and it started a war that robert beratheon ended up winning. but lyanna sadly died at the hands of rhaegar before robert could beat him. a very sad tale indeed. 7 kingdoms couldnt fill the hole in roberts heart that lyanna left.
@@martinm.1967 search youtube for "littlefinger tells sansa about lyanna" theres a scene in season 7 where littlefinger and sansa are in the crypts at winterfell and he tells her the story of her aunt lyanna and at the end of the scene sansa tells littlefinger "and then rhegar kidnapped her and graped her" so thats what happened.
Always bothered me in this scene that they don’t acknowledge that Ned was never boastful about killing Dayne. He said specifically Dayne would have killed him “if not for Howland Reed” Ned always gave credit to Reed for saving his life. There is no dishonor in how Dayne died. It was war and a fight to the death. The “he stabbed him the back” line is spoken like someone that has never been in a battle or a fight for their life. Bad dialogue in an otherwise pretty good scene.
@@fightingmedialounge519 No, the scene frames it as Ned used to brag to Bran about how he defeated Dayne. That is not how the books frame it; Ned specifically told Bran he would be dead if not for Reed. These are in the POV chapters of Bran; so you are hearing his internal thoughts about it. It is very clear Bran had no delusions about what took place. The show's version of it has it totally opposite of how Bran thinks about it in the books. And it hurts the character of Ned in the process. Ned was not boastful, need wanted to honor Dayne and the fact that Reed saved his life. Ned's biggest fault was he was honorable to a fault; which made him make really bad decisions.
@@patrickthomas2119 not really. The framing of scene suggests that bran heard the story several times(hence, you know, him saying it). That by itself could and very likely means he was simply told about it by other people. Except that line by itself doesn't specifically indicate Howland stabbed Dayne in the back; which is what he was surprised about. Even in the show itself bran mentions how he heard Howland saved ned back in season four, so that's not what he's shocked about here. It's only the "opposite" of how the books depicts it if you deliberately ignore what's said in the show simply isn't word for word what's written in the books. He wasn't boastful in the show either. Also Ned's flaw wasn't honor but instead him being merciful at the wrong moments. Keep in mind he lied about jon being his , in the show and likely on the book, and changed robberts will so he's perfectly willing deceitful when it suits him.
@@fightingmedialounge519 "he's better than my father" "much better" "but my father beat him" "did he?" "I know he did, I heard the story a thousand times" Come on, you are giving this dialogue and this scene's framing of what was described in the book the most forgiving interpretation possible. and your point about season 4, I agree; season 4 framed it more accurately; season 7 did not. Which is a sign of the decreased quality in the last couple of seasons.
I'm not sure. The story is pretty limited in scope. I think Robert's Rebellion would make a perfect movie (possibly a mini series?), but there just isn't enough material for a full show. There are only a small handful of major plot points whereas in the Targaryan war in HOTD, there are a massive number as the story spans decades
No doubt a sword expert will be able to pick holes in the fighting - these are actors that have probably trained for just a few months after all, not lifelong masters - but it's a great scene and I think the actor playing Dayne absolutely nails it. It's not simply the charisma and growly voice, but an interesting ambiguity in his performance: he's clearly a badass but there's something else here. Despite his fearsome skill, he does not advance to battle with enthusiasm or arrogance (compare with Jamie or Gregor), but in stoic adherence to his duty and the acceptance that his own blood may be spilled today.
Even the basics of sword fighting are glaring here. The best swordsman in this world uses two? Lol. He lost that fight based purely on what his enemies had. But they had to make it flashy.
@@elimgarak1127 Dude when he is fighting 1v4 with the both swords, accurate or not that is simply one of the most BADASS scenes in the entire show If they wanted to make Arthur Dayne impressive, they succeeded massively in this clip
@@dekuuchiha9990 Really? Sh*t I was a f*cking huge fan of the show back in the day and I didn’t know that somehow. Good for him, wish we’d seen him more in either role tbh
@@dekuuchiha9990@Maclain I think Dekuuchiha meant the actor playing Dayne and the actor playing the Night King were both highly trained, not that they were the same person 😉. The Night King was portrayed by Richard Brake in seasons 4 and 5, and Vladimir Furdik from season 6 onwards. Ser Arthur Dayne was played by Luke Roberts.
In the show we don’t get to see too much fighting from Ned but in his prime he was absolutely awesome. "You’re too modest. I’ve seen you cut down a dozen of great knights." Ser Barristan Selmy
In the words of Jamie Lannister "i was trained by Ser Arthur Dayne who could have killed all of you with his left hand whilst taking a piss with his right"
One thing you must realize is that Arthur Dayne is almost super strong. The way he kept swinging two full sized swords at a faster rate than the Stark men who tired from using one, while wearing more armor than they all were
@@tire26 In the books, it wasn't even two swords. Dawn was a giant greatsword. And it wasn't Valyrian steel, it was made from a meteorite. Either way, that sword and Arthur Dayne have become two of my favorite things in the series. The man was an absolute beast.
@@tire26 valerian steel is not made in China, it’s expensive and rare af, Lannister don’t even have one, Arthur has it own sword but it wasn’t valerian.
@@tire26no. His house’s sword, Dawn, according to books, was a massive two handed sword made from the metal of a fallen star. It’s not Valyrian steel, but it’s lasted 10,000 years and is pretty damn close to it. His other sword here is probably regular steel, though in the books I don’t think he used a second sword
I don't know if you watched the show but that's not a very Stark thing to do. If you're a Lannister then sure fuck it, kill em all. Ultimately Dayne was protecting Ned's nephew and the heir to the kingdoms so in retrospect he's obviously going to feel guilt. A self righteous person who realizes he was in the wrong and committed a crime against someone on the same side.
@@rayzala1393 Except a Stark didn't do it. Ned was almost as surprised as Dayne was. Once it was done, what was Ned supposed to do? Berate his friend for saving his life? He Mercy-Killed Dayne, and moved on with his life. Any embellished stories probably came from the backstabber and not Ned himself. And Ned wouldn't want to destroy the reputation of the friend who saved him by branding him a backstabber so he probably didn't protest too hard.
It's very conflicting as eastern traditions teach you "means to an end don't matter, only the end matters" And in the west youre taught that your "means to an end" will "mean to end you" if you're not careful. Game of thrones is a beautiful intersection of those two paradigms and how the gods honor it
@@TheCrimsonRevenger backstabbing in this sequence would not have brought shame upon someone This was for all intents and purposes, a battlefield, and there's absolutely no rules on the battlefield. Sure there's rules of engagement, but "no backstabbing" is not one of those rules, RoE more entail how you're supposed to handle prisoners and to do stuff like have a meeting of generals before a battle. This move would have brought zero shame, as it's not a duel. In fact, daggers are the reason why most people die on a battlefield, or at least the dagger was one of the deadliest weapons. It stabs and its small, and therefore is one of the only weapons maneuverable enough to get around a full plate of armor This was pretty common back in the day- I feel the only reason why bran is even disgusted is because he finally realized that "history is written by its victors" more than he's upset with the move itself
It's one of those moments where I was rooting for both characters. Both Ned and Arthur. Especially Arthur considering he's not arrogant or evil natured or anything. He was honorable and respectful and definitely a skilled and cunning warrior. He never insulted Ned or disrespected him in any shape or form he was just a knight honoring his oath and obeying his orders without question. And Ned because this is when we get to witness his skill in swordsmanship when he was in his prime. Of course Ned isn't as skilled as Arthur but he was able to hold his ground until Arthur disarmed him. But then he got stabbed from behind and Ned being an honorable natured man really did not want it to end like that as you saw it in his face afterwards. Plus I absolutely love the actor that plays as Lord Stark in his younger years.
@@fridericusrex6289 I never said they weren't. My point was that "obeying" is not an intrinsically honorable thing. It depends on what is being obeyed.
He dreamt an old dream, of three knights in white cloaks, and a tower long fallen, and Lyanna in her bed of blood. In the dream his friends rode with him, as they had in life. Proud Martyn Cassel, Jory’s father; faithful Theo Wull; Ethan Glover, who had been Brandon’s squire; Ser Mark Ryswell, soft of speech and gentle of heart; the crannogman, Howland Reed; Lord Dustin on his great red stallion. Ned had known their faces as well as he knew his own once, but the years leech at a man’s memories, even those he has vowed never to forget. In the dream they were only shadows, grey wraiths on horses made of mist. They were seven, facing three. In the dream as it had been in life. Yet these were no ordinary three. They waited before the round tower, the red mountains of Dorne at their backs, their white cloaks blowing in the wind. And these were no shadows; their faces burned clear, even now. Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning, had a sad smile on his lips. The hilt of the greatsword Dawn poked up over his right shoulder. Ser Oswell Whent was on one knee, sharpening his blade with a whetstone. Across his white-enameled helm, the black bat of his House spread its wings. Between them stood fierce old Ser Gerold Hightower, the White Bull, Lord Commander of the Kingsguard. "I looked for you on the Trident," Ned said to them. "We were not there," Ser Gerold answered. "Woe to the Usurper if we had been," said Ser Oswell. "When King’s Landing fell, Ser Jaime slew your king with a golden sword, and I wondered where you were." "Far away," Ser Gerold said, "or Aerys would yet sit the Iron Throne, and our false brother would burn in seven hells." "I came down on Storm’s End to lift the siege," Ned told them... "and the Lords Tyrell and Redwyne dipped their banners, and all their knights bent the knee to pledge us fealty. I was certain you would be among them." "Our knees do not bend easily," said Ser Arthur Dayne. "Ser Willem Darry is fled to Dragonstone, with your queen and Prince Viserys. I thought you might have sailed with him." "Ser Willem is a good man and true," said Ser Oswell. "But not of the Kingsguard," Ser Gerold pointed out. "The Kingsguard does not flee." "Then or now," said Ser Arthur. He donned his helm. "We swore a vow," explained old Ser Gerold. Ned’s wraiths moved up beside him, with shadow swords in hand. They were seven against three. “And now it begins,” said Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning. He unsheathed Dawn and held it with both hands. The blade was pale as milkglass, alive with light. "No," Ned said with sadness in his voice. "Now it ends."
@@uhtred7860 Comparing a novel and a film of the same story is like comparing a painting and a song of the same woman...there's no point. They're different artistic mediums, and the comparison itself shows you lack understanding of why there are different kinds of art in the first place.
@@rikk319 I wasn’t comparing anything, I was stating a fact, the novels are brilliantly written, if you weren’t so quick to be a condescending know it all you would have realised what I meant.
The sword shoved into the ground was Dayne’s sword Dawn, not the sword we saw being sharpened. Like Valyrian Steel, Dawn never needs to be sharpened, because it never dulls.
@@ravikkar A) Valyrian steel holds an edge like nothing else, but it does require maintenance to keep it at its best; hence characters possessing these blades are often described doing so. B) Dayne's sword Dawn was *not* Valyrian steel but something else never fully described or explained. Who knows how much care it may have required? For the record, treating a fine sword of any kind abusively is not something a fine swordsperson would be doing. Shoving Dawn into the ground made a strong dramatic statement but in the real world the owner of a legendary sword would never treat it that way. ***Unless that owner was more than half-convinced that this was going to be it, in which case they may not want to preserve its condition. Who knows whose hands it might fall into next? If I were Dayne and thinking it was possible that sword could be lost to his house, I wouldn't be keen on passing it on as pristine as I've always kept it. He had no way of knowing that Ned Stark's sense of honor would extend to returning it to Starfall if he, Dayne, fell.
@@MG-js8bnno they do not need maintenance. They're sharp all the time and no they don't describe it needing so. It's literally described as from a meteorite and can hold its edge like a Valyrian steel one so you clearly know nothing. Dayne can abuse it all he wants and it won't dull.
My only critique about this fight is that I wish they made the sword dawn just a little whiter and a little more distinctive For the book fans otherwise perfection
If I'm not mistaken, Dawn was a two handed great sword in the novels, so it's gone pretty far off the mark already. But I may have misinterpreted Martin's description.
@@SequentiallyCompact You are correct. And I don't really understand why they had him dual wield here instead of using Dawn. It would've made the fight a lot less Hollywoodesque to have him cleave right through a puny steel longsword with his huge but light meteorite blade. We know canonically Dawn HAS to have been at this fight because Ned brings it to House Dayne personally afterwards.
I like how young Ned is disgusted by the fact his opponent was stabbed in the back and that feeling is stronger than the relief that he was saved, but still goes on because there's a job to do. Underrated piece of acting.
people who read the books know this scene better. Ned's fever dream. "Our knees don't bend so easily" "The kingsguard does not flee, not then , NOT NOW" He unsheathed Dawn and held it with both hands ,it was pale as milk glass and came alive with light
Well yeah. There’s a saying that people who “reverse grip”/“ice pick” grip weapons are either complete amateurs or ferocious experts in their craft. Given the reputation Dayne had, they probably both knew that he wasn’t gonna go easy.
They weren't letting him past to get to his sister. Plus, if they told him that Rhaegar got her pregnant, he wouldn't think it was due to a union of love. It was pretty much bound to play out as it did.
@@kayladugger7042 Ned is widely known as an honorable and respectable guy. Plus, his sister was still alive at this point ...she would of explained everything, with Sir Dayne not having to die. It's not like Ned would of killed the baby. I don't think anyone would believe that. Robert on the other hand, sure lol.
I was thinking about this too. Likely bc they didn’t want everyone in Ned’s entourage to know of a surviving Targaryen. Perhaps they didn’t think Arthur Dayne would lose or that Ned would come there versus someone else.
@@mayne1 Rhaegar probably had given a strict orders if ever they found out, he was probably thinking that the child will be executed to save her sister's life. Rhaegar thought wrong though
Arthur Dayne was a monster and the fight choreography shows that very well, each of his killing blows comes immediately after he blocks and he sets himself up predicting the attack so his follow up attack lands. I cant see a line between his defense and his offence since they overlap each other so well. such a good fight
The flexibility and unpredictability that two blades gives you (a lesson from Lord Kas’im). Of course, the skill it takes to use two blades effectively makes doing so a completely impractical option for 99% of bladed fighters. What incredible mastery and athleticism on display here (even when acting, that looks pretty exhausting).
"Why to fight when we can negotiate?" I wish Ser Arthur Daywne , the greatest swordsman in Westoroes, listened this qoute from CaptainJack Sparrow, we would have seen a lot of skills like this.
I hope we get to see Robert's Rebellion in full one day on the screen. House of the Dragon proves that audiences haven't lost interest in GOT (in spite of D&D's best efforts to ruin it) and would love to see a prequel series so long as it's done right.
@@victorconway444 you're right but at the same time they somehow just forgot about the sword that Dayne puts in the ground. Unless I just missed it, there's no visual nor audio of him removing it from the ground, it's just gone as he pulls out two more swords from their sheaths
One of my favorite scenes in GoT. For only appearing this once, Ser Arthur Dayne really made an impression. One of my favorite characters in ASOIAF universe.
love the fact that even after Ser Arthur Dayne lost unfairly, he looks up to Ned and shows him his neck, admitting defeat, knowing that Ned is honorable enough to quickly end his suffering
I disagree. The look he gives Ned is that of betrayal. Ser Arthur expected and deserved die an honorable death, like in battle or to someone that was just better than him. The knife in the back robbed him of that honor. I think Ned knew that and killed him quick out of shame for what his friend did.
What would also be cool is when Jon inevitably confronts his cousin Daenerys, the dragons refuse Daenerys order to kill him. Showing that the dragons instinctively know who the true King is of the House of Dragons. Jon being the honorable man he is, gives Dany one last chance to pledge loyalty to him which she stubbornly denies. Jon then kills Daenerys.
God no! No more Jon worship! He's dead! The show was ruined by bringing him back and giving him too many stupid slo-mo hero shots. In the show he's a boring plank of wood, and in the books, he's a child. Game of Thrones was a great show. The Jon And Dany Show was not.
Watching this back and the simplification of the entire thing from the source material is just so evident. "We were not there", "Woe to the Usurper if we had been" is a perfect line. "Your friend, the Usurper, would lie beneath the ground if we had been." just doesnt hit the same, it doesn't have the same quick wit to show how calm the Kingsguard are.
I love it when Dayne is surrounded by 4 men and very conveniently only 2 attack at any given time lol. There’s a whole 10 seconds Dayne is pushing 2 guys back and there’s just a dude staring at his back
Howland Reed was honestly such a chad. If all the theories are true he seduced Arthur Dayne's sister Ashara, the most beautiful woman in the land; had a child with her; killed Arthur, the greatest swordsman in the land and then convinced Ashara to pretend to kill herself and go with him to his Swamp to raise their daughter Meera together. All that while being canonically one of the weakest fighters in the book, getting beaten up by some random squires and saved by a 14 year old girl. There are hints supporting this in the books. People believe Ashara is Jon's mother because she was seen in Ned's tent during the tournament at Harrrenhall, a tent that Ned was sharing with Howland Reed, which was randomly mentioned once. Howland told his children a story about a tournament at Harenhall that has himself and Ashara as the main characters many times, sure sounds like how I met your mother story. Timing suggests that Ashara indeed got impregnated at the Harrrenhall, the kid was said to be stillborn, but if it was alive it would be the exact same afe Meera is now. Lastly Reeds follow Dornish succession law with Meera being the heir. There are also vague allusions to Ashara maybe being alive.
I went 5 hours out of my way on foot and by car to get to this castle in Spain. Absolutely worth it. It was built by the Moors, the North African / Arab civilization when they ruled in Spain, guarding the boundary of the Christian civilizations of the Iberian peninsula.
@@carlosxevon9498 what ... The greatest swordsman North ever created. Did you even know about these top 5 . If i want to explain it. I will explain it in more than 1000 words pr maybe more..... These top 5 we're exceptional. The other 5 was. The mountain The hound Brienne Loras tyrell And his brother ( which is not in the series) i forget bame And also elder brother of euron Greyjoy and younger of balon Greyjoy (which is also not part of the show) was also exceptional . If I'm not wrong jon snow was good but he did not even deserve to be in top 10 ....
@@Noone91875 still the best swordsman in the north, all of them that you said were not from the north, plus we can’t really compare them just by the fights that they have 1v1 combat they didn’t have direct fights but I am pretty sure that jon owns brienne loras and the hound, and mostly cuz it’s plot armor but still he is one of the greatest. He wasn’t schooled by best teachers he wasn’t a knighht, but the fights and wars that he fought and played his part made many consider him one of the best fighters in the entire series I think he is top 5 by far imo.
I love the hardwork Arthur dayne character put in for this scene.....real swordfight looks kinda awkward like this, there is never enough room to strike like in most movies...you rely on simple straight short and quick thrusts....and the way he handles the sword... 😍😍😍😍
Maybe so I still appreciate the actor work in this scene especially if he had to learn to use two swords at once not to mention the time he put in for only a scene that wasn't more than 5min. Tip my hat to hard work
Those swords aren't meant to be dual wielded, and ned should probably use both hands to fight and deflect, instead of 1, and as a guy who has recently started learning swordfighting, it's not nearly awkward enough
Sometimes you want to hear stories about great kings and emperors, but there is an allure to the warriors and guardsmen who defend, and are bound to their oath and word. It's giving me the same vibes as Dune when Duncan Idaho battles the Sardaukar.
I agree, Ned's a man who lives by honour and duty. I think he was just being direct when asking those questions. He wasn't taunting them so much as holding them in contempt for failing as kingsguards when their king and heir needed them most.
The dialogue in the book is waay better, and its the Lord Commander Ser Gerold Hightower Ned speaks with, not Dayne. He's not taunting him, he's curious to know why the the best of the Kingsguard wasn't with the Prince on the Trident, or with why they weren't protecting the King at Kings landing, when Jamie killed him, He also tells them Ser Willem Darry has taken Queen Rhaella Targaryen and Prince Viserys and fled to Dragonstone, and says he thought they would have been with them, to which Ser Oswell Whent says "Ser Willem is a good man and true" "But NOT of the Kingsguard" says Hightower, Arthur Dayne then adds "The Kingsguard does not flee.......Then or now."
Not to mention the fact that while the rest of the group was busy with Dayne he quickly handled Ser Gerold Hightower, Lord Commander of the Kingsguard. Hightower was no slouch as he himself had quickly handled one of Ned's men a few seconds earlier. So we know that Ned was exceptionally good as a swordsman... just not as good as Dayne. We'll never know how Ned would've stacked up against Jaime. Neither man could hold a candle to Dayne, but how they compared to each other? That will forever remain a mystery.
@@ulosttomedesigns518 Yeah it is Whent, they just left the Lord Commander out for some weird reason, they also left out the awesome dialogue Ned has with him.
@@uhtred7860it's recorded as Gerald Hightower in the show. however his actions and words reflect Oswell in the books. Really weird change made by the showrunners
While beating anyone on that Kingsguard is a real accomplishment, Ned was not up to fighting Jaime. Ned was a good swordsman and a hell of a soldier but Jaime was a true prodigy. Probably the only two people in the show that could have beaten a healthy and whole Jaime were Dayne and Selmy. Not only was Jaime just flat out better than Ned, he was also bigger, broader and faster.
In the books we only ever got that fight in a dream by Ned after breaking his leg. There were he and his six companions arriving, talking with the three Kingsguards, then he heard Lyanna say "Promise me!" and the dream ended with Ned getting woken up.
I don't give a shit what all you "Ned Stark wasn't a great swordsman" haters have to say. Being one of two people to walk away from a fight agains the greatest swordsman in the history of Westerose, unscathed = Really good fighter.
Well yeah it’s easier if the best fighter is outnumbered and gets stabbed in the back…Ned was a good sowodsman Ser Arthur Dayne was a god hadn’t he been stabbed in the back he would have finished Ned for sure.
@@PhilL30tard0 lmao don't let the TV show fool you..... 7 northerners vs 3 of the most elite fighters in Westerose (including the GOAT in Dayne) is not some overwhelming amount
@@dcanngieter well he ain't wrong, those weren't just any "7 northerners", Ned took his best men at the tower.. and yeah, if Reed didn't interfere and stabbed in the back, results would've been differenr And I'm pretty sure that Gerold hightower and oswell weren't as elite as Arthur and selmy, they were good swordsmen, and Ned took em out... Arthur later faced 4 northmen including Ned later, not just 4 normal northmen, trained great swordsmen who Ned trusted a lot
This isnt a bad depiction of how a real 4v1 would go down if the 1 was a superior skill to the 4, because coordinating an attack is a lot easier said than done, especially when the guy you're going up against is the most feared and renowned swordsman in the western world.
If you are facing someone with two weapons and you only have one, fight at maximum range. The dual wielder must stand more square to use both weapons at once. If you are the single wielder, take a narrow elongated stance and manage the distance so only the opponent's front weapon is in range
That wont work if the dual wielder footwork is faster than yours and are able to close their distance, rather take advantage of the strength difference you have with two hand on your sword and try disarm/redirect/pin his sword down. Causing him to briefly exposed/out of balance.
The most unrealistic part was where a number of minor and major lords were sent in a small party to enemy held lands with no military force to confront some of the greatest knights ever known in a defensive location with a unknown force of their own. Granted it was 2 knights but 10 basic infantry would of had them buggered and roberts closest ally and warden of the north dead.
Most realistic answer is that they did not expect any resistance and also that this was really delicate matter. You also have to remember that Ned did not know in what condition his sister was so he just wanted to get there as soon as possible which requires small force.
If this expedition had been planned by a proper strategist with proper scouting information, you would be right. But the reality of this scene is that man desperate to find his kidnapped sister decided to travel as fast as he could with a a handful of trusted friends to find her, and discovered that the skeleton crew guarding the tower were actually elite knights. There are many things historically inaccurate about GoT (even ignoring the magic), but the way that smart but flawed people make mistakes due to emotions and limited information is not one of them. This sort of shit happened all the time.
Ned met a similar fate as Ser Arthur Dayne in his dual against Jaime Lannister, at least in the show versions. Granted, Ned only got stabbed in the leg, whereas Ser Arthur got stabbed in the throat.
2:44 the manage to pull of something really incredible here and make it seem atleast like everyone that CAN attack Arthur Dayne at any given moment is.... And it's his skill and movement that shows he's not allowing himself to be impaled from all sides at once. Alot of times when someone is surrounded in a sword fight, it doesn't matter cause the fight choreography still has them attack one at a time, this disguises that a lot better than most other fights scenes
I looked for you on the Trident,” Ned said to them. “We were not there,” Ser Gerold answered. “Woe to the Usurper if we had been,” said Ser Oswell. “When King's Landing fell, Ser Jaime slew your king with a golden sword, and I wondered where you were.” “Far away,” Ser Gerold said, “or Aerys would yet sit the Iron Throne, and our false brother would burn in seven hells.” “I came down on Storm's End to lift the siege,” Ned told them, and the Lords Tyrell and Redwyne dipped their banners, and all their knights bent the knee to pledge us fealty. I was certain you would be among them.” “Our knees do not bend easily,” said Ser Arthur Dayne. “Ser Willem Darry is fled to Dragonstone, with your queen and Prince Viserys. I thought you might have sailed with him.” “Ser Willem is a good man and true,” said Ser Oswell. “But not of the Kingsguard,” Ser Gerold pointed out. “The Kingsguard does not flee.” “Then or now,” said Ser Arthur. He donned his helm. “We swore a vow,” explained old Ser Gerold. Ned’s wraiths moved up beside him, with shadow swords in hand. They were seven against three. “And now it begins,” said Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning. He unsheathed Dawn and held it with both hands. The blade was pale as milkglass, alive with light. “No,” Ned said with sadness in his voice. “Now it ends.” As they came together in a rush of steel and shadow, he could hear Lyanna screaming. "Eddard!" she called. A storm of rose petals blew across a blood-streaked sky, as blue as the eyes of death.
Small discrepancy: Arthur Dane plants his sword in the ground as he stops to talk to Ned, as he wishes him luck he draws 2 swords from their sheaths so what happened to the 1 planted in the ground...
Ser Arthur Dayne's character appeared on the screen for only a few minutes. But he become one of the most admired, inspiring, loved & famous character from the show.
@@matheussantiago4572 I don't think any viewers/readers disagree that Jaimie did the right thing. My point still stands. There is a big difference between the circumstances of how an enemy is killed on the battlefield, and killing the king you are sworn to protect. Ned had very consistent principles, for better or worse
History could have been different is Rhaegar had kept his best knight at his side. I doubt Robert’s brute strength could have beat Arthur Dayne’s skill