Your Stats mean NOTHING 

To me 1.10 to .95 is average. 1.20 to 1.75 is good. Higher than that is really good. I'm thinking about it in terms of the overall population of players.

I've seen a guy go 3-43 in a crucible match

In year 1 I was trash, and then I pulled my game together. My k/d is below average because of it even though I could beat people with a way bigger one. I just hate when people talk trash about their k/d like they think they're good.

Having a high elo is like being vegan you feel the need to tell everybody

Destiny was the first first person shooter I've ever played and in Year 1 my bestfriend on the game carried me through Trials as I learnt how to play PVP. We played so much though, by the time I got good, my stats aren't recoverable. They are negative and I can go positive every game for a month in trials and it wont move. Sadly. Everytime I destroy someone in crucible and they get upset they refer to my Trials K.D. being poor as if that has anything to do with me beating them. Like a Normal Crucible match I won has anything to do with Trials? The Destiny community sucks and is filled with people that try to bring you down. I wish people didn't always take my friend teaching me how to play good as a flaw as me as a human being.

A huge pet peeve of mine is when someone uses the "oh, well I beat someone with better stats than me..." argument to say that stats carry no weight whatsoever. First of all, stats are almost all based off of averages, not absolutes. Averages are tied to consistency. A player that performs very well and very consistently is what basically everyone will define as skill. Higher K/D = higher average = more consistency. Oh, you beat this person before? That's nice. Play them ten more times and tell us how many games you pull off the victory in. What you're saying when you use the aforementioned argument is that the number one Destiny player can never lose, because he/she has better stats than everyone else. Of course that person can lose; it's just not going to happen often based off of a random sample of Destiny opponents.

My KD on my best character is 1.54 (because I like to screw around in the crucible a lot) but I still average around 25-30 kills a game in control, and carry my team about 75% of the time, so personally I'd like to think stats don't matter too much, just as long as you can justify saying that they don't matter in certain cases.

Lmaooo "just talking about the average player base...1.3-1.7 are average players" ????? You do realize 98% of destiny players are BELOW 1.7KD? Meaning that only 2% of every player that played destiny online has above 1.7KD...being in the top 2% makes you average? You meant to say 0.8-1.2KD is average...

Stats are exactly what they are your stats... I can easily sit back, play passive in Control, not play the objective and go 20+ kills with 4 or less deaths, and zero captures every game. Or I can try and win the game, and go say 25 kills, 15 deaths, with 6+ captures. Too many people are always to worried about their K/D ratio and don't care about actually winning the game. Plus that doesn't even take into account whether or not you're solo queuing and playing against stacked teams all day. Some of my friends literally refuse to play Crucible unless they're in a team of 3+. It's amazing whenever this happens we always seem to get a 2.5+ K/D every game. So you're correct in your baseline premise, but their are always contributing factors that don't actually take into effect everything that goes beyond a simple K/D.

Lmao the ending was great.

Padding your K/D is so easy. I put no faith in it.

I understand u bro, in trials my KD is around 1.1 to 1.5 but when I play something like control I'm usually 1.8 - 4 due to the pug playera

THANK YOUUUUU FOR MAKING THISSS

This was a great video! Love the ending when you just start talking about random stuff. This is type of youtube i like to watch!

Your sign off was great!!

I hear you man I hope it straightens those guys out

100% of the time I play solo and have a 1.45 k/d. I guess that's good.

If wish doesn't reply it means he's in danger

Here's my opinion. Stats are just a reflection of what you are capable of doing. Just like in sports sometimes the person you least expect to perform at that superstar level can surprise you and do just that. To be honest the best players are the people who can evaluate certain predicaments and turn it into a favorable situation for themselves. I would take someone who has excellent communication skills over a 20 or 30 kill player any day.

in year one, i was the kid who went 2 and 17, but now i can go in pubs and get 1.5 to 3.0 kd every game

stats do carry weight by it doesn't mean a 1.7 can't beat a 3.0....but .5 or a 1.0 can't beat a 3.0

It was a really valuable video, thanks to you for making it.

*Oh boy does this conversation change when they implemented sbmm, I mean like now with sbmm 1.5 is really good*

lol that ending

Wish don't ever change dude lol. It's good to have that one blunt tell it like it is no bullshit streamer talking the obvious topics in regards to destiny. Enjoy your stream and your one hell of a player.

I went from around a 2.1 kd to 1.7 all because of sweats lol that's about 3 months

yeah you explain it basically perfectly, specific kd for games modes anything in 1.3 to 2.0 the skill gap is going to be so small especially in destiny you're not going to get destroyed (for the most part with the occasional sweat).

chat some serious sense here bruv. good shit, keep up the good work.

1.3-1.7 KD is not average , .9 is an average KD

The annoying part is that when i first started destiny i was complete horse shit but these day im around a 1600 elo and i normally average a 1.4/1.5 kd but my overall kd is 1.07 so people don't really think im great

Very objective stance on this topic. Stats are just a measure of predictability, never count on them when ability is involved, only use them as a guide of probability. Thank you for sharing. Greg [Striatum]

Year one i messed around a lot. In year 2 i brought my kd up to 1.14 and i average about a 1.8 kd in the crucible now. I've been to the light house multiple times. My stats do not reflect my skill. It's really annoying that people judge eachother on stats.

MY man wish speaks the truth

Good vid Wish!

great video Wish

Just wait till we can choose opponents then we can see if k/d truly matters

LOL the ending hahaha

stats mean nothing if you were to compare me when I first went into the crucible, to a month ago, to how I played yesterday. you would see three players on notably different skill levels.

i only have a 1.3 but i can say from myself that i am an above average player and no stats mean nothing to me

"your stats mean nothing..... but yeah if you have a .5 K.D. odds are your not better than the next guy" i have no idea what your talking about

It was definitely an account recovery

I hover around 1 k/d, but I mostly only get on crucible to do TMOW or other bounties that require me to change my loadout and play style every game. I also suffer from varying levels of opponents or playing against full fireteams. When I matchmake with any of my friends(even ones with similar stats) I get 3-4 k/d. So I find it pretty difficult to find a reliable way to compare myself to other guardians.

Was anything weird happening for anyone in Trials yesterday? 4 out of my 5 games, on the fourth round, one person on the enemy team got DC'd. I was really confused because it boggled my mind...

Finally somebody that says that . Yesterday I lost a trials match 5-1 , then i had to do a raid , but I was like let's do a quick match and I won 5-0

I've been wanting to deboost my kd so I can go back to lobby's like in year 1

yeah he makes a good point, i never take anyone for granted when doing carries, the guys im carrying will be like "oohhh these guys have shit kd's it should be easy" but i tell them no need to risk it plus if they are bad no need to talk shit about them. and no tea bags unless you get tea bagged lol

I wish there was a way to reset your stats. In year one I was really freaking bad, and I was able to pull it back up to positive in year 2 after watching wish and Nghtly. I'm like stuck at a 1.2 but will go positive every game with an average of 1.3-2.0

I love watching old D1 trials vids

Keep the videos coming wish.

the end tho so funny

I love those kind of videos keep it up wish, what role eysaluna is this btw ?

In reality, people with 0.85-1.10 are average players. People that are 1.40-1.70 are above average/ good players. People with 2.0+ are great players. A team of 3.0s vs a team of 2.0s can go either way. both are skilled and which ever team has the best teamwork wins.

Great videos keep it up

A lot of people are bad when they first hop into the cruciable, Then they get really good so I usually don't judge people of kd

I think that stats do matter, however my weekly avg is about 2.5, but my overall average is 1.53. My stats don't really portray my skill because I was a .6 in year one.

I didnt realize that top 12% to top 1% was considered average... lol

I like your viewpoint bruh. Got my sub.

I agree 100 percent. I've destroyed teams with 2000 plus ELOs and over 2 kds and lost to teams of .8s. Last weekend I faced a team of 1.5s and I was on my crap character with a 1.3. Ended up getting 15 kills and 4 deaths and carried the team to a win. It truly doesn't matter lol

Wish I have a question on your last word video I love to use hawk saw it was my most used weapon but it seems it just doesn't kill fast enough anymore and I can't find any pulse rifles like it and i just hope pulse rifle get a tiny buff for those types of pulses or it's just because everyone uses special instead of primary's lately.

Wish, you don't know how great this video was. Thank you for jumping on that topic. 👊 Cause it is pretty annoying to hear people just dog on each other about who's stats are better. It's seriously an annoyance.

I have a 1.04 kd, so many people never pick me up and think im garbage, but When it comes to trials, i am really good I know the game inside and out and most times end up carrying a team,

In terms of actual stats, a 1.0 K/D is average while up 25% is about 1.3

Elo is a more accurate way to judge someone's skill rather than their kd in my experience. But even a low elo team can outsmart and outplay a better team map, weapons, and tactics play a big roll in the games outcome.

good shit man. I couldn't give a Fuck about my stats some days I'm good others I can't get a kill but your correct!

you are a really good destiny player my man keep up the good work, I wanna be as good as you someday

Never in my life have I wanted to be good at a game this bad, and I fucking suck

I had a person in trials who had a 3.16 k/d lose to me 5-0 in trials, and I was sniping and went 12-1 and they t-bagged after every kill. I messaged him after responding to his childish t-bagging in round one, and he sent me a collage of my stats compared to his, people really get a stiff dick off of their k/d, i'm convinced of that.

I believe overtime a kd becomes stagnant due to learning pvp, say it takes 1000 games to understand the game and youre getting the shit beat out of you, but overtime you progress and progress and progress but these matches only account for another 1000 games and the second average is 1.5. You're first average is low around a .50. You're then left with a 1.0 but are playing currently at a 1.5. Stats don't mean shit if there are results from dedication and experience.

I have a 1.4kd but I started playing trials as soon as my gear allowed, I was basically garbage at PvP back then. Since then I average 1.6-1.9 a week but even then my overall stats stay lower because of how much trials I did before. I can't be the only one in this situation.

sometimes its not account recoverys its friends like my friend got 2 of his streamer friends to carry one of our friends flawless and hes really good and was sometimes doing the best by far on the team and these streamers were over 2 kds and never went below a 1.5 in the games

Statistically average kdr in destiny is 0.9, a good player is a 1.0-1.9, a very good player is 2.0-3.0, and a destroyer/farmer is a 4.0-...

preach my dude

true I have a 2.9 kd but I still get beat by 2.0 sometimes

my team is 1.35, 1.16 and 1.12 and we go flwaless every week... every opponent is beatable, you just have to adjust to it and have good teamwork... we already beated Realkraftyy, petty20, Zwetschke___ and a few other over 2.0 Streamers, just sayin stats doesn't mean anything, if you have a good team and they know how to adjust, then it's pretty easy with low stats as well

Very High K/D people on destiny are to afraid of playing solo. They barely play by themselves. Only a very few do but not for very long. D2 really needs rumble Lol.

if u start bad in y1 and are better now in y2 and have played a lot it is extremely hard to raise ur kd so yeah kd isn't everything but I will say 1.7 is better than average

my friend has a 1.6 but almost every week he has a 2.4

That sexy outro though 👌🏽

Good points

My kd in year one was terrible absolutely terrible now I normally get 1.5 to 2.0 kds but because of year one my kd is like 1.22

When u try ur best but u don't suck seed

i want some oatmeal dude

it depends on the person, I'm 1.2 but I play with all weapons instead of just using universal remote, telesto, tlw, etc. I try to master all weapon types, Jade Rabbit is my favorite, but I may do a day with just snipers, assault rifles, handcannons, etc. You take a hit trying to lol up new weapons, I'm just a glutton for punishment at times though.

i totally agree with u man

Can a .5 sweat...hell fxuking yes LOL

I honestly thought I was decent till this dude goes and makes this vid 😂. Damn. I'm fucking depressed now lmao.

anyone else just come to watch Wish get stomped

It really depends on what weapons you use. If you use a luna or pali or stickies and you have a 2.10kd, and I use Red Death (which I do) and I have a 1.5 kd. Who's the better player? You can't really tell.

Stats is just a measuring guideline. If I started new characters my stats would be about 2 to 2.5. Bc I played since launch and never played pvp before d3stiny I was trash for a long time. But your mostly right. It's just hard to tell bc there is so many factors.

the "sweat thing" goes same for me, i play trials, my friends have high k/d i have low k/d im still better than them still they say im bad because of my k/d...k/d doesn't matter just like wish you luck said

Oatmeal? You mean porridge? *beats chest*

Yo how was the oatmeal man ?

So what about someone like me who never tries in regular games but when it comes to trials I actually do way better compared to my stats

but..if you,like me 90 % of the time play solo. and then are at 1.3-1.7...compared to the fireteams who have higher stats? are you still average? lots of factors? Btw never been to the L House :)

For me, a KD does indeed define how good of a player is, but people need to think about something. Most of my real life friends aren't really great at the game, almost all negative apart from one who's barely positive and a pretty decent one who has a 1.3 KD. When I play with my negative KD friends, it's so hard for me to perform. I don't go positive, I go negative, but when I play with people with similar stats (1.7 KD) from the LFG, I dominate. I play really well. I swear to you a player can have a 0.9 KD because he is playing with people who are trash at the game.

+Wish You Luckk Completely agree with you. Nice coverage. I think what he means by saying it both does and doesn't matter is that you can't judge a book by its cover but you can tell what genre it is. K/D does give you an educated guess.

I'm generally pretty good in pubs and my destinytrialsreport stats are nice but I still lose games against good TEAMS. Stats give you an idea of what to expect from individual players but there's no stat for team chemistry. I truly believe team chemistry to be the deciding factor in pubs/Trials/sweats. You can win every 1v1 but if you're getting angled by several enemies at once, you're done

In my own experience and opinion you gotta have a 1.0 atleast like I get how people might never play 6's and only play sweats but still having a negative overall in sweats shows you can't really win your one's. Just my experience with this..

Should I remake my characters for kd I play sweats but I could have a 1.5 -1.6 if I wanted to at the moment my kd is a 1.2 cos I used to suck at PvP in year 1.

you r 100% right