Yugioh Has Gotten So Expensive, Yugitubers Are Now Quitting The TCG ...... 

You ain’t telling no lies

I was going to type this, but you sure beat me to it.

You're spitting facts but thats been the case since forever. No one tries to become a true traveling YCS competitor in yugioh for the prizing though. You either do it out of love for the game or satisfying a competitive itch and fulfillment. Thats why I always say that if you're not trying to compete and go in, you should not buy those 70+ cards.

What are the rewards most of the time? I plan on getting into the irl card game when im more stable financially so im a bit curious

@@wrought-ironheroEMIYAreally bad, mostly deck boxes and mats, no money or prizes worth say over $300 and if you get top 2 you do get a prize card from ycs but they aren’t playable as they were before so they don’t break the bank either

To put context, TCG SP Little Night cost $100 or more. OCG SP Little Night only cost $11 dollars. Also, OCG foil has good card stock, TCG Foil is as sensitive as a guy's scrotum to changing Temperatures, turning into a Taco with the slightest Cold Breeze.

​@@bryanmerelthats why you use sleeves or even Double sleeves also the ocg is extremly different they Print those cards in more than one rarity wich would be cool in tcg i would Take a superrare little night any time too but for some reasons konami tcg doesnt Print cards in multiple raritys except by giving them Starlights and a Like

Well i still have the Hope that noone buys a Pyro rota for 100+ Dollar and the price will drop

So apparently we have 3 rarity for S:P little night. Still, lowest Rarity in TCG was freaking $125 dolars in average as of writing.🤦

Ngl, I did this. I won $3500 with my multi bet I placed on soccer/football and tennis matches with the spare $200 I had lying around and used a large chunk of it to buy the Diabellstar engine+ SP Little Knight and the necessary snake eye cards. I know I shouldn’t have just because I can afford it, but l won’t lie, it was essentially “free” money and I couldn’t resist.

Exactly if we say x cards isnt worth the price and we dont buy they drop. If we just buy a card up it raises. Wanted went from 50 to 130. When it was 50 no one blame konami, now its 130 its their falut??? 😂😂 We dont have to buy it or sell it at that price.

TBF its killing yugioh in american LGS

You are absolutely right. Thanks to the Yu-Gi-Oh community, they have to pay higher prices in the future. I still don't know why they complain so much about the price, if they willing to pay for it.

It’s the truth. I have said this numerous times and as typical with the Yugioh community. They ignore and keep buying.

@@RaulLopez-ee5qm Also we say Nexus was bad no money cards, say age was a good set, Age prices go up now konami is greedy.... our community is weird

No the actual worst part about this is that ygo players are dumb enough to buy bonfire at those prices

​@@UBUB101whales gonna whale. Game is effectively p2w for most of the playerbase at this point

And reprinted. Then the cycle repeats.

@@UBUB101the most cringe thing I hear from players that don’t realize they contribute to this bullshit is “I know it’s expensive, but guys this card is needed, so you might as well pick it up while it’s low” huge emphasis on “low”. People don’t realize how stupid that logic is.

It should've been an E Call for Volcanics. Yeah it was used by someone in the anime who DIDN'T use a card from that archetype. But someone in the GX anime used Mischief of the Time Goddess. But that didn't stop Konami from making it a card that only works with Valkyries.

It feels like they're even trying to power creep maxx c by making decks with maxx c line, spreading summon to both player turns, and having less summon in general.

People have quit when the game was bad. I remember a dip in players back during 2016-17, the Firewall formats. The problem is that the game is fun but hella expensive.

To be fair we say the format is diverse, but now its too expensive? Snake eyes maybe expense, but this doesnt apply to every deck

I picked up the game in the last year but only in MD because it's not possible for me to play paper and i will say i have an average skill level by now reaching master 1 with meta and non meta decks the game is pretty fun even now my only complaint is maxx c and stun variants So i see it being possible to pick up the game right now

@@user-jx1jr3gs8t MD and TCG are extremely different formats. You also don't need to skill lock yourself. You can play TCG format on YGO Omega

I’m a filthy casual and it’s been the most fun I’ve had in Yugioh in a long time

Facts

You can also play Time Wizard formats for a lot cheaper than modern decks

Been having fun with YGO OMEGA 😊

" It almost feels like it was done with malicious intent at this point." I think at this point we can just cut out the first part: -It almost feels like- it was done with malicious intent at this point.

It’s sad that it’s even more expensive and the card is conceptually worse than ROTA because it targets pyros(infamously worst type at least in the past) and actually has a hard once per turn vs Rota that has to stay at one for said reason

There is no "feels like" with the TCG, it is always done with 100% malicious intent. "How?" you may ask, the answer my friend is (and I am not even close to joking/BSing) Gambling laws. In Japan, gambling laws are EXTREMELY strict on just about anything that you can gamble with or on, ESPECIALLY things targeted towards children. This results in OCG packs printing EVERY SINGLE card released at normal rarities with the higher tier ones like secret and platinum and such only being rare variations in the same set for collectors purchases (literally the Rarity Collection 1, as it was a direct copy from OCG.) HOWEVER, these consumer protection laws DO NOT exist in the U.S. or other western nations for some unfathomably stupid reason, resulting in Konami and other eastern game dev's/producers acting in EXTREMELY predatory and underhanded ways outside of Japan (literally Rarity Collection 2, the exact opposite of Rarity Collection 1 and a TCG exclusive.) That is why they run extremely basic cards that in context can make decks tier 0 as the highest rarity limited prints as they can AND they can legally get away with essentially theft and outright illegal gambling involving children (that is, if you follow the spirit and intent on anti-gambling laws anyways.) It's not just YGO either, it's ANYTHING Konami touches outside of Japan and this includes video games (why microtransactions on JRPGs are so egregious here but not Japan) AND it's also why companies like EA get to screw consumers with loot-boxes and other shady (and what should be considered illegal) business practices. While players have a LOT to do with the state of the game and it's monetization as others in this comments section have pointed out, there is also a huge legal component as well that I think people are too scared to mention for fear of being called a commie, it's very much ANTI-Capitalist to hurt the consumer as they are how you make money. Konami makes most of it's money in Japan and doesn't respect or care about us dirty foreigners. Be a true capitalist and protect the people that make the system function for the inventors/investors, the consumer.

@MegaCapitalG see my bellow comment to answer the "why doesn't Konami do the right thing?" question everyone somehow always has.

They end up hitting that 😂😂

_How could you ever pitch such an idea?? Don't you remember that Konami is just a small indie company? They _*_need_*_ to convince players and third-party sellers to buy this set in order to make their money from the whales - you wouldn't want them to go out of business and Yugioh to just die, would you???_

That's basically what wixoss does for it's standard sets lol

Exactly, as long as people pay these prices nothing changes.

People are just implusive

This, if someone tells you You suck as a player bc of a 100$ card released this week then he sucks as a person

Lucky you. I don't have a friend that plays anymore. I don't have a locals and for some reason my area doesn't have Regionals anymore

@@ShayneRawls locals are usually terrible. I went a few times and faced the same decks everytime and saw the same combos for 4 hours

​@@nicksnovelreviews8733 depends on the size, but people who "invest" in Meta wanna win of course. Had a lot of fun with private tournaments, which had more casual decks.

​@@nicksnovelreviews8733what deck ?

They opened them and set these prices to begin with. Secondary market is controlled by stores and players. These presale prices are stores being scumbags and trying to cash out

@cuttlefish6839 Konami controllers how good the card is and how scarce it it. While what you said is partially true Konami is the one who creates artifical scarcity and causes this. Stuff like this wouldn't happen if sets were like ocg.

@@apertureb2247 Konami to some degree controls it, but it's not absolute control. Lest we remember things like Bystials

​@kichiroumitsurugi4363 "lest"? tell me you're gay without actually telling me you're gay

Lmao

Konami should lose the license. And now to answer who the license should go to. I say give it back to Bandai. Yeah they made the OG not good Yugioh card game. But my argument is that its been TWENTY FIVE YEARS. I would be okay with letting them have another chance.

You can pick up a playset of every card in Shadowverse Evolve for less than the cost of one Sinful Spoils engine. A game with nine playable decks and three sets. And don't get me started on Pokemon.

I moved onto other TCGs very easily and am enjoying myself a lot more (my wallet is also happy). The amount I was spending on YGO could go into CFV, Pokemon, Shadowverse and Digimon simultaneously. 4 games > 1 that reeks of greed. Never looked back. Personally, I enjoy card games for the social aspect of it and like having the physical cards. For me, the game does not have to be YGO.

Currently playing Grand Archive TCG and WiXoss Diva Live EN TCG but both Pokemon and Weiss Schwarz are also fun. Glad to know more people playing other TCGs out there. I hope your having a great time with yours.

Just recently started Pokémon and it's been fantastic. The community I found has been great about easing me into the game and the meta feels much less overwhelming. My LGS also is hosting Digimon which I'm looking forward to shifting my old yugioh budget to.

Also for the same price, you can get some pretty good decks in YGO to boot. Besides, Bonfire will drop eventually

Okay. Energy still sucks.

Yep. Huge pokemon card fan, and I love how cheap all the decks are. Especially if you are creating "non-meta" decks to fight against "non-meta" decks. Like you can create whole decks a little over the v/ex battle decks for like 5$ on TCGplayer and they are just as fun.

But Pokémon card game is kinda ass though. I could never get into it.

@jblunaasmrs5678 I can respect that. By all means enjoy it 👍. Just personally for me I don’t like Pokémon TCG. I can however respect it’s affordable nature, and that concept is a huge problem with yugioh for sure.

I played pokemon for a while but I feel its too simple, I got bored of it pretty quickly especially coming from yugioh. I'd say MTG/Commander is better.

Isn't that the price of two booster box's so a play set of 3 is 6 booster boxes. I think the mind set of don't open boxes only buy singles is what is making the price of these cards go so high.

@@timetravel6913welcome to secondary market controlled by scalpers and game stores ready to manipulate prices

can't wait to see bonefire get hit to 1

@@killerbee1974 only after its third reprint and the cash flow decreases

Bonefire lmao

Um actually, Axel never used Bonfire. it was used AGAINST him by Trueman. Also, prior to that, Fonda Fontaine, the school nurse had used the card in a duel against Jaden in season 3.

Tbh, Bonfire feels like a GX card.

​@@silversalamence10The fact that it was used by the acolyte of Darkness and the Nurse Burn player instead of an actual fire player makes this funnier

@@spicymemes7458 what's even more funnier is that Bonfire was just discarded by the acolyte of darkness, as opposed to being played against

@@silversalamence10 I looked it up you're right sorry. I think I got confused with another fire base search card Axel used that basically had a similar effect

"That bad" meaning something like "I don't mind spending 100 bucks on a card because this card is going to be playable for 2+ years."

Yep. I flat out quit Yugioh again. Came back after Tele DAD format, and they still haven't changed. This hobby doesn't deserve my money, and the wanted stuff pushed me over the edge. Can I buy it? Yes, is it worth it knowing it will be gutted within a few months or reprinted to the ground, naaaaah. I rather just grow my carrots then play yugioh now.

Just play Edison tbh. You can buy most decks and an extra deck for under $100

Should pose no issues to wait a banlist out

​@@dougdimmadomeownerofthedim5376 Just play Runick

What the other guy said, play Edison format. Most of the cards have been reprinted and are fairly cheap. Formats like Edison and Goat are being played at tournaments thanks to Konami introducing the Time Wizard Format. I’ve gotten tired of the current meta game of YGO so I just play older formats to make the game less off putting.

​@@Rabbitlord108who you give then?

Same here. Guess I will just see how far can FK Dogmatika take me and hope princess and Consort Ulkanix won't be as expensive...

That’s a funny reference, but I agree. Boycotting seems necessary

The difference is there are still viable non-FIRE decks you can play in a somewhat diverse format for once (plus I've still been able to playtest Fire Kings efficiently even without Bonfire) and that boycott was only effective because Bud Light's customer base (much like most people) don't take kindly to woke politics being shoved down their throats by association.

@@Signerdragon123 the point he’s making is that Konami’s business practices suck, even if there are alternatives to bonfire (or whatever else)

Konami not falling for culture war shit at all. We're cucks to economic shit because America is a capitalist country.

​@@SelfReassuringTitlethats not gonna work because the yugioh community is greedier then konami. A chunk of the community invests in cards, another chunk will buy a card at any price while compling about it. Wanted was 40-50 ish we were fine with that. No one demanded anything of konami Its now 130 now we blame konami? When the community bought up the card and kept raising it? Tcg konami can help, but most the issue in the tcg market is the buying culture

I found it weird that most gamers largely wrote off Konami after the Kojima fiasco, but somehow, yugioh players kept the faith.

@@spicymemes7458 YGO players have developed their own coping mechanisms. Format too expensive? Just wait for a banlist or a reprint.

It probably has something to do with their so called "policy", but their only goal is to just make money, they literally don't give a fuck about players and playerbase, they made game too complicated and too expensive, and honestly they should change age restrictions to something like 12+ or 15+, becayse there's no way somebody's parents are gonna buy kid a deck that's worth around 100$ or constantly buy him packs, i have this problem personally. Every time i go to locals, to participate you have to buy something that's worth around 10$, otherwise you can't participate, i'm just mainly buying deck cores, idc about staples and 2 of my friends are telling me to get staples but i'm not interested honestly. Because let's be honest in my country 3 fire king structure decks would be worth around 81.70$ and i can't really afford that, because i still go to school and my parents aren't giving me that much money. I play floo and will buy a true draco deck soon(without diagram because it's expensive) and i'm not looking forward to doing much of anything. I would also like ocg rarity system, but they also(kinda) have a problem, and it's that they reprint lot less cards, for exampke sekka's light was only printed once in OCG in FLOD, but in TCG it was printed 3 times, but what i like about ocg is that they kinda make staples more affordable, but main cards of one deck are kinda expensive to some extent, in OCG they make staples more affordable by printing them in more rarities, for example S:P Little knight was printed as: super, secret and qcr, while in tcg we have S:P as a secret(or ultra not so sure) and qcr, another example is TT thrust, it was printed as a rare and(idk if it was printed in any other rarity) in the ocg, while in the TCG i think it's printed as an ultra/secret, and here's how cards get expensive. When there's too much demand, but limited resource thing gets more expensive, but Konami uses this to maximum by listening to the playerbase about x cards or seeing themselves that some x card is broken, so they bump it's rarity to(almost always) max rarity. I personally hate Yugioh TCG, but again no matter how much i complain, as long as there are people who are willing to spend 375$ on playset of some x card that can't even be used in every deck, Konami will be greedy and nothing will change, things will only get worse, and not to mention diabellstar engine, thrust, side deck cards, or even main cards of the deck itself. I'm glad i picked up floo's when Robina/Eglen were about 0.23$ per copy, and i waited for feather storm reprint. I'm sorry for writing this long message, but i felt like i had to, i hopr you enjoyed reading this comment and yeah... Have a nice morning/day/evening depending on your timezone and at the time you're reading this message:).

It’s because people see OCG maxx c format and think what they be doing is a 1 for 1 to the tcg. Fire format is actually only not diverse in ocg because of the bug killing off other options

No, they still do that. Most Vanguard decks are cheap to build. However, some decks ARE a tad expensive to play as of late (Drajeweled Ignis, Youthberk Full Blast, etc), HOWEVER...the upcoming Triple Drive Booster is an all reprint set that does reprint those decks' key pieces that have risen high in price, so they'll be cheaper to build in a couple months. But still stands, Vanguard prints their high rarity cards in multiple rarities to offer multiple options of pulling it. YGO doesn't do that. And that's a problem.

Sucks in TCG Yu-Gi-Oh one cannot get all Secret Rare cards in a playset in a main set case but in Standard Cardfight one can get all RRR cards at more than a playset.

@@Paul909ification When even buying a case doesn't guarantee a playset of everything at base rarity... you know your game is fked

Except Konami is always a year behind trends, which exacerbates the supply issues.

I work at a card store and literally noone wants or attempts to grade yugioh. Its all pokemon for that stuff. Yugioh is essentially worthless to anyone but a player right now.

As much as someone like strictly sealed would love for this game to become a collectable card game, Yu-Gi-Oh retains like no value. This game is too niche and dated for anyone too bother with grading Yugi card's.

@@apertureb2247 @cutefacejay6703 You two apparently missed the entire yugioh and pokemon hype during covit. Even now with prices for old cards going down again, they are still MUCH higher than pre 2020. Like there are collectors everywhere for the old cards, even prices of OCG ultimate rares went up times 10. It just seems that you dont have many yugioh collectors in your area, but in the entire country its ALOT

Grading is a scam but I don't think most resellers are selling graded cards because you have to pay to have them "graded". 🤣 I strongly doubt it's a problem.

Totalmente cierto, ya no juegan el juego, se dedican a abrir sobres y solo hablan de cuánto cuesta y porque solo las brillantes estas son más útiles que las otras cartas. Hasta salen cortos en RU-vid de un tipo que abre un sobre y muestra el precio de cada carta del juego y muchas veces pierden dinero. Un tipo se gasto como 1000$ dólares en un sobre de hace 20 años de Pokémon y logro conseguir un Blastoise de 140$. Perdió 860$ y aún así está feliz, exageran. Invierten en un juego que literalmente no juegan y solo buscan estafar con las cartas

Vanguard is Noice.❤ Nice to see more players for that TCG. I was late to play the premium after buying a starter deck for it but I'm still playing casually with my friends so it was all good.

@@aizenvermillion434 I mainly played Standard. I tried getting into it back in 2014-2015 but had no one to play so... I still have my old never used Silver Thorn deck from back then, man cardgsmes are awesome.

@@darknova7863 They sure are. Good luck on your endeavors on that game and I only hope for the best. 😊👍

I switched to magic the gathering. An entire meta standard deck is 100$ unless your playing black

Same I quit about 2-3 years ago to go back to pokemon meta decks are ridiculously cheap

Yeah theres a lot more TCG's in Japan so they have to play nice and print cards in a reasonable rarity, otherwise they'd just leave for the next TCG

Thats kinda what Edison is

I think people don’t get it because it isn’t logical. I lived in a country that was average 1k per month. Why would they get a 6,000 Gucci bag? Why would they be mad Gucci doesn’t make the same exact bag available to them for 100 because that’s what they can afford? Doesn’t make much sense. X brand makes a product. People drum up Y demand. People pay Z price. It is what it is. We also can’t afford yachts. Where’s the poor boi yacht they should make available to us? You either have the money for a hobby, or don’t. They’re not in the business of making something affordable. Also, affordable to who? There’s always someone poorer. So…. what then? That 500-1000 country you figure out Konamis logistics and get it down so that person can afford it. What about the people there that make 200? Why not them? Go ahead and explain to them why they can’t, but the 500+ can. Serious question, not rhetorical. Konami doesn’t owe you anything. They don’t owe a poor starving person in Kentucky anything. They don’t owe someone in a country earning 500-1000 per month anything. There’s way more proxy going on than you may think. Most people I was around had some cards for fun and everything played was proxy. Their thought process to it was when I’m playing I’m competing. In a video game you put settings on low so you have best frame rate. This is the same. I don’t remember anyone feeling like they needed the actual card. Couple did, but was specific card they liked. All decks were ripped loose leaf with dicks as the ‘art’ and card notes. Every card of mine is a dick.

So the idiots them lol

They have bug brains and will forget in about a couple of days, I still remember bentos and how ridiculous it was getting them. This is nothing new people act like there aren’t any decks besides fire decks 😂

Unfortunately Konami bootlickers don’t boycott

If memory serves me that deck was between 1200 to 1500 back them. Imagine the inflation of these days compared to back then

Nah I can tell the game is dying down, my locals keeps progressively getting smaller and smaller every banlist or so. We're talking like 60 something locals back in 2022 going down to mid 20s now.

Pokemon is also insanely powercrept.

Pokemon has rotation, so why yes it has powercreep its absolutely no where near yugioh. Also they dont shortprint the cards at all. There are decks rn that are nearly 2 years old that consistantly top and are under $60 for the entire deck.

In that case, your Heroes are always there to save the day!

@@valutaatoaofunknownelement197 lmao

@@jkromes20 I just was compelled given the pun sort of made itself in my mind!

People are either doing tri brigade or dogmatika as a far far cheaper option to splash it in fire kings.

@@gravekeepersven82 Because of all the Level 8s in the deck and how easy it is to get them to the board, I'm actually experimenting with a Jank Exodia draw engine with the use of cards like Trade-In and Advance Draw (with Giantrainer being a third option).

@Signerdragon123 That sounds very unorthodox yet spicy and I like it. Me I'm just playing anti meta guru Control.

You fail to understand two things here. 1) Konami absolutely have a degree of influence in how much a card goes for because they know the meta of their own game and know which cards will sell like hot cakes. They 100% knew Bonfire was going to be a big money card and they could've printed it at a lower rarity to make it more accessible for players, but instead they printed it at Ultra so that they could sell more product. 2) The concept of supply and demand. Card retailers are businesses that need to make a profit in order to continue trading. They are only able to acquire so many copies of a particular rare card to sell, and if they choose to sell that card at a low price and it comes at a very high demand then their supplies run out too quickly and they become unable to make further profit off of that card. They need to drive the price up in line with the demand for the card so that their supplies can last and they can make a tidy profit and continue selling more cards in the future. This, again, would be far less of an issue if Konami were to print that card at a lower rarity. tl;dr - You are wrong, it is 100% on Konami.

​@@ParadigmZwei so basically Konami refuses to balance their own game because it's profitable to keep it unbalanced. Force people to chase meta. As shitty as Magic the Gathering is currently. At least I can put together a competitive deck for under 50 dollars that can make 500 dollar decks cry uncle.

As another note, as you said in this video this is their business model but I agree that I don’t see how this is even good for their business. People are already quitting, and yeah maybe they’re just banking on all the whales but with the rarity collection we have been shown how popular (and good for lining their pockets) a set like that could be, and I genuinely see that kind of set making more sales for the general population of players over all the whales who buy these singles/sets. I mean, I don’t have these stats in front of me but it seems clear to me, and I can only imagine it’s clear for the hardcore longtime player base as well. As a new player it seems obvious that this just turns away new potential customers, where adopting the pokemon-esque model that they did with the rarity collection could only attract them back.

Yes. But people will ignore it in favor of their own agenda

@kichiroumitsurugi4363 Or just to complain. Because that's yugioh players favorite thing to do. Remember, yugioh players are NEVER. HAPPY. EVER.

"Compete well" 🙄 No. Yugioh is pay to win. There is no competition if you don't pay for the meta. You're just going to get stomped because Konami refuses to balance their game.

@LunaticKD1991 what's your definition of budget for yugioh? And yes, it is not real cheap like the other tcgs. It hasn't been and more than likely will never be. But going by your logic here, I can ONLY take the fire.dek to a Regional or an YCS and do well. Never mind the 15 to 20 other decks that can reasonably compete with results on much less.

@@jtalkalot19 100-150 euros is a good average. Sometimes it's less, but, most of the times, that's what's going to be

Flashbacks to Triple Tactics Talent being $95 a copy

Just a reprint isn't enough honestly. The reprint needs to happen in a low rarity, so that it people can pull a lot of copies of it, making the card cheap.

@NyxSakura agreed, but we must reprint all the staples of 22/23 in the next tin

@@tarikshell9719 True. We need those staples to be reprinted. I'm of the mindset that staples shouldn't be expensive. They should always be cheap, so that people can have more access to them to compete.

@NyxSakura I agree. I think that any staple should not cost more than $45 dollars per card because we shouldn't have to pay $100+ dollars per card just so we can win I think that we should switch to the ocg model but I know that Konami will never do it because of all the money that they make porting cards over and changing their rarity in the tcg

Modern does

EDH (Commander) Does. Yugioh has no supported Alternate formats, MTG Does.

Just draw the out lol

​@@apertureb2247 I do, and I win... Do you know how to draw the out?

@soulstarved4116 Real talk tho, telling someone a deck is fine because you have a 30% chance to start a handtrap is a good way say that a deck isn't fine.

@apertureb2247 I mean, yeah, but it's one over 10,000 cards. You can find at least three that instantly win you the game, play three copies of each, and you boost your probability to about 70%. Three games in a match with 70% odds that they get Drolled, Shiftered, or Nibirued. Means you have about 80% win rate each match. Of course, you should be using a deck that also hard counters the meta too, but you can use whatever you want if you "draw the out."

God I wish draft in Yu-Gi-Oh was more playable, it's one of my favourite ways to play. I've won a few pre-release drafts but it felt so bad opening mostly unplayable cards.

@@RainbowStaple bring back battle packs. Like, genuinely, those are some.of the most fun yugioh sets of all time.

Well they are doing alt art ROTA with Raye so it's going to be ugly