Z.O.E: Zone of the Enders, An Autopsy and Eulogy (Part 1/2) | Gitai 

Thanks for the techie information, I was aware with the theory, but I didn't know the... less vague mathematical specifics. Also, dude, Omega Boost is SICK. Omega Boost's camera, at a lack of scenery, has to emphasise movement by making the camera intentionally struggle to keep up with anything. There's elements of this in ZOE when you dash, but I don't see it stylistically. The camera's way too tight on Jehuty. From a cinematographic perspective I might loosely disagree (even though you know what you're talking about). I can see why you'd say it for close-range, since the camera focus is weighted toward the enemy, but is still drawn by Jehuty (The centroid tech you're on about). But again, the perspective matters a lot in Omega Boost, always being behind you. I'd sooner draw a line between Omega Boost and Armored Core 4. And, reading interviews for ZOE2, they apparently completely re-engineered the camera system. I can see some differences like how it zooms out to deal with many targets, but I think they overstated the amount of reworking they did. Do you know anything about that? Maybe it's just really under-the-hood and I'm stupid.

@@GizouGitai Absoloutely -- so what they did was remember how I explained the concept of framing an A-point and a B-point in screenspace, and then zooming back to frame it all on the depth axis? They started monkeying around with what exactly the A and the B point *are*. In ZOE1, they are *always* the player and the target and ONLY the centroid position and the zoom position are calculated, which means the position is always slightly off -- because space is spherical and standing X distance from the centroid (the 3d midpoint between A and B) would mean the further object would be closer to the middle, the the closest object further in 2D space. This meant the action could get kinda hectic -- and the explanation I gave above was the applied specifics. Other refinements from ZOE1 to ZOE2 also include the bounding-box being included in the calculation but only sometimes: the faster you went, the more of the bounding-box was included, to avoid chopping bits of the onscreen action off and some other work was done to calculate how much extra offsetting was done based on how fast you went. Finally, if you got crowded by enemies in multi-opponent combat, the camera would try to include not just you and the currently locked target in CLOSE mode, but also the size of the others would be taken to account in the bounding-box for the zooming -- so you could get a better look at what was happening all around you. This likely happened thru a fuckton of trial and error tbh. Also you're not stupid and your video is proof of that.

​@@GizouGitaialso those kinds of cameras for Omega-boost and the like are called lag-cameras and they work to reduce the motion-sickness of the player by reducing the number of sharp accelerations they experience, effectively dampening the movement and allowing the relative position of the player-character to telegraph velocity. The stars do the same, but for rotation, using a trace-effect to help sell the amount of performed rotation and the same trick can be seen in Freespace/Freespace 2 for PC which I assume is where Omega Boost got the idea. I'm actually putting together something that's equal parts ZOE's CQC system/lockon mechanic, Omega Boost's 6DOF gameplay and hold-to-switch-modes and AC4's ballistic gunplay/physics and have been for a few years now. When its further along, do you mind if I prod you with it? There's videos on my channel but they're mostly just demonstrating technology so I can come back and compare current to past progress rather than any kind of solid gameplay loop just yet.

​@@osakanone The NieR series has some hilariously over-detailed camera options to account for this exact motion sickness. In-fact, I talked about it in another video. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-adSXwi1oWmQ.html Timestamped for convenience. I took a look at those videos when you said you were decomping ZOE, it looks a lot like you're getting what you're aiming for. Sure, I'd love to touch it whenever it's ready to be judged, if I can find it in my schedule, but that might mean never featuring it on the channel due to potential conflict of interest, if that's what you were hoping for. Your looser style suits an environment with little walls (I.E. OmeBoost), especially how much real estate there is on screen, moving backwards. How much you want the player to focus on movement will depend on how strong the lockon is. Generally, even ArCore-likes (DaemonXMachina, Project Nimbus) have tightened that camera follow, or zoomed out, because of more geometry-rich environments.

@@GizouGitai Oh, thank-you for linking it. I'm probably gonna go thru the whole channel over the next week or so, as its really nice to have on while I work. A conflict of interest won't be a problem: I'm a lot more interested in your opinion personally than anything being featured. The feedback would be me personally. My sole aim is to make something that plays excellently - and secondarily when I'm funded, to tell the best story that fits those mechanics that I possibly can. Take care, and thank-you for these helpful words and the excellent work on your channel.

Hey, thanks so much.

Thanks, probably a youtube thing. Or only 3000 people actually beat this game, and the rest were buying a demo of MGS2.

It's presumptuous, but I tried to tell the story, that the game/OVA struggle to, more coherently. Hopefully I stick the landing.

Thanks a lot. Spreading my videos does a lot to encourage me.

Hey man, maybe it's the will of Metatron. Also, keep your curtains open when you're getting changed.

Ah-ah, we’re in space; the word you want is “Newtype”

Hey, lucky you, everything I make is too long.

@@GizouGitai if only konami sold the ZoE IP to Kojima productions, i want a third one so bad!

It's bizarrely intuitive for how outlandish it is. And Shinkawa is a god.

These are more or less my own half-arsed thoughts, and they're a little messy. So take it with a pinch of salt. Musashi Miyamoto's journey was largely one of self improvement. He mastered himself. Any sword of high enough quality would do. King Arthur pulled the sword from the stone, as the chosen one, in the right place at the right time. The sword was assumedly placed there by God, or some previous King. Both are arguably actual "historical figures" with so much hear-say around them. Both are iterations on the concept of what's divine coming from within and being projected outward. But the methodology is different. In the Japanese instance, the sword _becomes an extension_ of their body. The Samurai is self-empowered. Sometimes, spirits get caught in swords, and in these instances, the new owner must make the sword their own by coming to accept or understand the spirit. (Dante repeats this storyline often.) The Westerner uses the sword to _express_ will, and it becomes a beloved tool. These will be passed down for when another hero must rise. The line between these is honestly rather thin, and is crossed more and more often as our cultures intermingle. But you see this influence everywhere. Dragonball and Jojo have Ki, Hamon, Stands. The power comes from within. Samus, Megaman have their guns as literal extensions of the body, and they are empowered by exploration as a means of self improvement. The mech will become an extension of the pilot, same for Fighter Jets in Ace Combat. They took great care in VANQUISH to work Sam's guns into his suit design. Often a character's sword reflects the owner, like Guts and Griffith. Then Griffith's sword breaks, and so does his character, because the sword is his essence. Pokémon trainers literally train in the wild (like Musashi Miyamoto), approach Gyms (Dojos) and work their way through the students of that Gym to earn a fight with the Leader. And despite the Pokémon being intelligent beings in their own right, it's the Trainer who's rewarded, for their skill. Because the creatures are an extension of the Trainer's will. It's a bit silly. Then you get JEHUTY which distinguishes itself from Leo by having a sentient AI. They attempt to distinguish the weapon from the pilot. Therefore it's a tool only for self defence. You see this in Metal Gear, Resident Evil, Parasite Eve. The situation demands they defend themself, and a distinct firearm is a sign of desperation. This is where America comes in, and I distinguish it from Western/English tradition. This rhetoric comes up in American Politics, "Only thing to beat a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun." In both instances, there's a distinction of will (good/bad guy), and a means to achieve it (a gun). When you take Clint Eastwood's gun off of him, he's powerless, but he doesn't break as a character. His arrogance and fighting spirit remains. The Wild West remains a powerful element of American Mythology, along with the military establishment. The national anthem is a military march. The gun is as holy to your history as the Katana to the Japanese. The only difference is that there's no focus on self-improvement in the American view. One's heroic intent is assumed, rather than refined by training, and the only thing you're missing is a trusty weapon. It's a bit silly. My opinion is that IDOLO's criticism of both of these, seems to be that they're fanciful. By giving a weapon its own will, it shows its power corrupts absolutely. A strong weapon has to be maintained by a strong wielder. That's not the power of the wielder expressing itself through the weapon, that's the power of the wielder contending with the power of the weapon. And the result of that is a constant struggle of self expression through, and utilisation of, IDOLO. It's the acceptance of the American mythology to criticise the Japanese mythology, and an acceptance of the Japanese mythology to criticise the American mythology.

I still considered that within the launch window. Maybe I'm wrong, I'm not an accountant. (4.3.00 PS2, 1.3.01 ZOE)

@@GizouGitai I'm just a chef, what do I know either.

Definitely was not considered a launch title.

Thanks so much. Honestly, I'm juuuust finishing it up, and cleaning up some editing, getting footage I forgot to get. It shouldn't be a long time.

@@GizouGitai even if it is a long time, I'll be here to watch it.