On Crossfire, with Tom Braden, Bob Novak, and some guy named John Lofton, Frank Zappa coins a new term. Complete video here: • Frank Zappa on Crossfi...
Carlin complained about environmental fanatics scared of plastic …he said the earth would accept plastic in a new paradigm …the earth plus plastic! …the audience laughed . I laugh …news flash . Scientists are baffled at a new substance where plastic has apparently combined with rocks. 😂 Carlin nailed it …again
@@danieltossounian1962More importantly than that, he railed against religious morons for decades who think they can dictate what should be done in this country 🤷🏽♂️
Ah the "unhinged" rockstar as the voice of reason in a room full of idiots and followers. Frank was the man, indeed. He's a better American than any of those guys "debating" him. He understood the concepts of morals, rule of law, and fairness more than any of those clowns ever could.
Yeah, but the guy on the side of "frivolous mockery" turned out to be right, and Zappa wrong. They'd cancel him in a heartbeat today if he was still alive.
Unfortunately neither terms of theology and behavior cannot be summed up because a lack of moral acceptance is now the greasy pole we all slide trying to climb, And questioning the state of morals is now an offensive crime...
@@willie8976 The difference is that, in terms of behavior, you look at the consequences of behaviors and decide if, as a society, you want those consequences, and if you don't, well, there needs to be some sort of agreement around what behaviors will be accepted and what behaviors will not. In terms of theology, it's just, "God says this, and God must be obeyed, so fuck what you want."
@@willie8976 What types of behaviors are you referring to? Was someone harmed by these behaviors? In that case, the harm is a consequence, and that would be a useful function of legislation to mitigate or prevent that harm. Or are you referring to something else?
It was disturbing to watch when it originally aired. Republicans were just as disgraceful, hateful and ignorant back than as they are now. It was disgusting and repulsive to see. That's why I stopped following politics in the 1980s and virtually all of American news media by the early 90s. They made fun of climate change activists back then also and news media went along with it.
They asked him to give an example to back up his claims...and when he was calmly trying to state his case...they almost immediately tried to interrupt him. He spoke rationally and tolerated their childish jib jab...and still spoke with reason. What he said then is more true now. Look at the political and social context that (I can only speak of the US) we are in now.....Zappa was right. He thought clearly and genuinely on the matter. That's what is missing from today's leaders. "Bulls**t is the glue that holds together our society" Our "leaders" cannot level with us and talk to us like adults (let alone equals...which we are supposed to be!!!). Zappa was a true thinker and a should-have-been leader. He WAS a leader.
The political power of the Christian chirches in the US now would infuriate him. The evangelists got Trump elected, blacked climate change action, have sent women's and minority rights back decades.... There is a solution. #Tax The Churches. If they want tax exemptions let them prove that they use their massive incomes on actual chairty works instead of just recruiting and lavish lifestyles for the anointed.
Frank only had a high school education and spent most of his time working as a musician on tour and in a studio. These professional talking heads with their degrees and years of practice debating on camera were clearly unable to defeat Frank's clear headed positions on the role of government in censorship and moral codes.
Bob Marley once said if he was educated he'd be a damn fool. "Education" in the US is often a form of indoctrination to control you and make you a well behaved robot.
Oh, it's on right now, state senate passing law for old testament verses to be displayed in classes and pledge of allegiance forced on kids (among so many more examples), looks like a fascist-theocracy from my point of view
How is he right on the money? Truly. I am a Zappa fan and understand the urge to want to agree with him. In addition to being a creative legend, he is smart, calm and well spoken. However, Isn't the erosion of our culture today a product of underlying unifying values becoming obsolete in the face of total subjective individualism? It seems to me like the culture is in the toilet and it has nothing to due with some far right theological fascism. The root is far deeper and dare I say tied to our total lack of unifying values, theological or otherwise.
@@georgemichaelmyers _However, Isnt the erosion of our culture today a product of underlying unifying values becoming obsolete in the face of total subjective individualism?_ Total, subjective individualism is the ultimate expression of 'freedom'. But I understand your suggestion that it's bad, I really do. It's a position that comes from fear of 'the other'.
@@georgemichaelmyers idk, how about the SCOTUS eliminating a right for Millions of Americans on religious grounds. The first time in American history we have less rights then in the past and all because the plaintiffs wanted to enforce their religious view.
Lol it's amazing how 99% of people use the word Fascist wrong and just think it means authoritarianism. We live under a capitalist jewish system, as far from true Fascism as you can possibly be, and yet brainlets like you throw the F word around left and right. You're no better than a dumb conservative calling everything they don't like Communism. Neither one describes what we have today, and you would be far happier under Fascism than what we have.
Zappa was on top of his game that day. Lofton constantly tried to trip up Frank and Frank trumped him everytime and he did it with cool , clarity , and sarcasm. The complete version is a very interesting video.
@@futuredeadguy8661 Donald Trump IS the current expression of fascism, i.e., a political ideology that advocates for a far-right, authoritarian and nationalist system of government where the State has dictatorial power and suppresses all opposition.
@@futuredeadguy8661 I'm not a leftist, at all, but the Religious Right is a dire threat to life, liberty, and overall happiness. Those of us with a brain KNOW that the Communists and Leftists have an evil ideology, but the Religious Right believes they are anointed and sanctioned by "Gawd" dictate to everyone how they should live and I speak from personal experiences time and time again where Christian zealots thought it was "morally righteous" to butt into my business. Also, the Religious Right hurts young men by encouraging marriage in a day and age when women are out of control and have weaponized the legal system against all men. To me, the fanatical zealots of America are like cockroaches, they'll figure out a way to survive and thrive while being an incorrigible and unrelenting pain in everyone's ass
@@futuredeadguy8661 who is dictating what shouldn't be because a book written about a man in the sky says they should? right wingers..HE WAS RIGHT. And Raeganomics screwed everything up
@@futuredeadguy8661 About this? Reagan ushered in the religious right into the forefront of the Republican platform and they haven't looked back, they didn't even need the popular vote all but once in the last 8 presidential cycles to completely stack the court with theocratic radicals
Not only is Frank on target, he does an excellent job of keeping his focus & finishing each thought as these clowns try to constantly cut him off. It's exactly what the hosts do on fox news; they shout down the guests they don't agree with & try to interrupt their every response. Way to go, Frank... You make us proud, still after you're gone. Peace, man..
11 years on from your comment isnt crazy how we see this all unfolding at an rapid rate since the Orange Man Baby showed up and showed us just how right Frank was
@Johnny Thunders In December 2022 I just saw in Arizona the defeated Kari Lake posing with the necklace cross around her neck and being allowed to go further with her lawsuit about the election . Cross around her neck although she called some opponents at her rallies bastards . Anyway it wasn’t that Frank Zappa was ahead of his time with foreseeing America headed towards a fascist theocracy , he fit into that special class . Frank Zappa was “way “ ahead of his time.
Frank spoke so clearly and was so easy to understand. The others just got confused and stuttered like a couple of idiots because they had no way to prove his points wrong.
An intelligence so derided and scorned within his own lifetime, Frank Zappa's analysis here is not only spot-on, but it is precisely what has happened, 30 + years after this was taped. What we have is the fascism of capitalism and fundamentalist religion in this country run amok. And, I regret this works for all sorts of religions: witness the Hasidic Jewish community in Monsey, NY, and the Christian Fundamentalists wherever you look. Same disease, spread by two different hosts.
@@3dartistguy You are wrong. With the current reactionary tendency making headway by outlawing abortion, suppressing Black votes and persecuting anyone not heterosexual, the truth is the opposite.
@@3dartistguy That’s absurd. Look up “The Family.” Take the time to learn about what the DeVos/Prince/Mercer families fund politically. There are billionaires funding a Christofascist takeover of America as we speak. “Political correctness” is just the marginalized people speaking up and demanding their rights; like the right to not be murdered by cops at the drop of a hat.
Can you list some modern examples supporting this idea? To be honest, I think we've secularised ourselves a LOT, consider abortion, gay marriage, reduced censorship of traditionally taboo media?
@@Alex-ck4in You're either purposely being obtuse, or you're too unintelligent to understand how ludicrous you sound. Either way, nobody owes you anything.
Zappa was right !!!! BUT he thought it was the Republicans who were going to be fascist - well he was one for two- It is the crazy Democrats that are trying to fuck up America
He was positively prophetic. It's Problem (immorality) - Reaction (slow move toward legislating morality). We are almost at the door of a fascist theocracy. But it has been like the frog in the kettle. The heat is being turned up so slowly that the frog (the country) doesn't know it's being cooked to death.
Apparently, Matt Walsh refers to himself as a theocratic fascist. I don't know if that is true, or if he is being controversial for the sake of controversy. There is much talk of various pundits and others on both sides of the culture wars being grifters, but it is hard for me to tell who is and who isn't.
@@wet-read And various rightwing figures like Nick Fuentes have expressed sympathy for the Taliban. The Religious Right are the Taliban with a different holy book.
@@georgemichaelmyers Oh, you know, banning abortion, banning books, etc, etc, because of religious “morals”. In other words, fascist theocracy by the right wing GOP.
@@timz9862 What books are being banned? The ones that teach kids how to give blowjobs and indoctrinate kids how to be part of the lgbt hivemind, you got any problems with that or are you just another groomer?
If there's one thing the world needs right now, it is someone like Frank Zappa. Just to say the things in a clear and mindsticking manner unregarding the persons he or she is saying it to.
if ya think about it....the only problem on this planet... is money-addicted apes. all the critters are cool....but the money-addicted apes are literally destroying everything.
No 'maybe' about it. With Republicans pushing child labour, banning abortions and legislating against LGBT+ people, the U.S. would be on-course to become the next Iran if there wasn't opposition.
“When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and waving a cross” Whether you attribute the quote to Sinclair Lewis or not, it still rings true. Both Zappa and Carlin were the true prophets of the age, may youtube et al. keep the message alive.
The actual quote: _"If fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism." - Ronald Reagan_ This entire comment section is the most delusional & dishonest lot I've seen since I was a cringey 19yo RU-vid atheist.
@@SeraphimGoose The closest thing to it that Lewis actually wrote, in his book It Can’t Happen Here, was “But he saw too that in America the struggle was befogged by the fact that the worst Fascists were they who disowned the word ‘Fascism’ and preached enslavement to Capitalism under the style of Constitutional and Traditional Native American Liberty.”
@@SeraphimGoosethank you. I’m not religious but this entire comment section scares me with their views of the world . They don’t live in the same reality as I do
@@brianmeen2158 Reagan was by far and away the worst president America has ever had. Trickle down economics...how laughable. Thx Reagan for ruining America
@fadethetrade The U.S. is the exception. Most modern democracies have at least three powerful multi-issue parties. The United States has two. The three parties tend to be Conservative, Liberal, and Labor. The United States has a neo-conservative party and a status quo party. The majority of Democratic congressmen are Populists and moderates, it's their voters who are liberal.
He came to my college (NIU) around spring of 84. And at each of his concerts that weekend, he had representatives of the Daughters of the American Revolution there to register students to vote!! He was so cool.
Frank Zappa was 💯 right. The push towards a theocratic gov started w/ president Ronald Regan, when he embraced the Evangelical far right. Regan really wanted to win, & the addition of the Evangelical right, helped him get it. I think he was one of our most significant presidents in steering us into this mess the country is in now.
And don't forget that REAGAN was also a PRIMARY PROPONENT of the REPUBLICAN PARTY PATRICIAN'S use of the "BIG LIE" TACTICS to EVADE ACCOUNTABILITY for their WORDS/DEEDS!! They LIE, DENY, CHEAT, STEAL, CORRUPT, DISRUPT HONEST DISCUSSION, MISLEAD or MISDIRECT, HOWL LIKE JACKALS and THROW UP FURIOUS FLAK BARRAGES of GAIN-SAYING when they DON'T HAVE A DECENT COUNTER-ARGUMENT TO BRING TO THE DEBATE!! That's what TRUMP DID TO BIDEN in the FIRST PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE DEBATE!! He just IGNORED THE RULES OF THE DEBATE and just KEPT UP SPOUTING A CONTINUOUS STREAM OF DISRUPTIVE CHATTER in order to GRAB THE MAJOR SHARE OF AIRTIME and AVOID JUSTIFYING IN ANY LOGICAL WAY HIS POSITION or HONESTLY EXAMINING THE ISSUES!! NIXON LIED ON LIVE TV BROADCAST that he was "NOT A CROOK!!" when he was the ARCHITECT of the WATERGATE BREAK-IN!! REAGAN was a BIG FAN and HUGE SUPPORTER of NIXON!! INDEED, NIXON was his POLITICAL ICON!! NIXON also ASSERTED that "IF THE PRESIDENT WANTS TO DO IT, IT'S NOT A CRIME!!" REAGAN LIED BRAZENLY ON LIVE TV NATIONAL BROADCAST in the IRAN-CONTRA AFFAIR and SAID THAT HE WASN'T TRADING ARMS FOR HOSTAGES, but that WAS EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS DOING!! And when he was called upon to be ACCOUNTABLE IN COURT, REAGAN used the DODGE OF OLD AGE, INFIRMITY and ADVANCING ALZHEIMER'S!!! HE EVEN CALLED OUT TO "MOMMY" NANCY REAGAN ON THE WITNESS STAND TO GENERATE SYMPATHY AND LENIENCY TOWARDS HIMSELF!!! The FASCIST-THEOLOGIAN FOR DONALD TRUMP, STEVE MILLER, fits right in to ZAPPA'S ACCURATE ASSESSMENT OF WHERE the UNITED STATES was/is GOING!!! REAGAN, NIXON and TRUMP ALL CLAIMED TO BE ABOVE THE LAW, or FURTHER STILL, to ACTUALLY BE THE LAW SEPARATE AND ABOVE ALL U.S. CODES, LAWS or CONSTITUTIONAL RESTRICTIONS and SAFEGUARDS!!! The PRESENT DAY FASCIST REPUBLICANS who CONTROL the HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES through HOUSE SPEAKER MCCARTHY have ATTACKED and CENSURED DEMOCRAT MEMBER SCHIFF who PURSUED THE TRUTH in the "RUSSIA AFFAIR" and EXPOSED TRUMP and his CRONIES for COLLUDING WITH PUTIN/RUSSIANS to GET LOADS OF DIRTY "DARK MONEY" from CORRUPT RUSSIAN OIL OLIGARCHS and EMPLOYED RUSSIAN CYBER-HACKERS and SPIES TO GET TRUMP ELECTED, BAIL HIM OUT OF FINANCIAL TROUBLE and ASSIST HIM WITH REPRESSING DEMOCRACY in order to PRESERVE WHITE SUPREMACY, POWER and PRIVILEGE!!! TRUMP IS THE GREATEST AMERICAN TRAITOR, SELL-OUT, SEDITIONIST, CONMAN, MOBSTER, INSURRECTIONIST AND NATIONAL/INTERNATIONAL EMBARRASSMENT!!! NO GREATER ENEMY TO OUR AMERICAN DEMOCRACY CAN BE FOUND THAN THE THREAT FROM THE "ENEMY WITHIN" AS IS EMBODIED IN TRUMP AND ALL THE OTHER FASCIST REPUBLICANS WHO WOULD CODIFY THE PERPETUATION OF PATRICIAN PRIVILEGE AND THE RULE OF VILE, VIOLENT, THUGS IN THEIR "MAGA-MOB" BASE!! OH YEAH, they have SOME STOOGES and CAREFULLY SELECTED TOKENS they are PUSHING UP FRONT to WHITEWASH their AGENDA and AVOID THE APPEARANCE OF UNDUE BIAS TOWARD GOOD OLE BOY POLITICS, BUT THEY JUST DON'T WANT THEM IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD UNLESS THEY DANCE ON THE END OF THEIR WHITE MASTER'S LEASH!!! It's the FULFILLMENT OF THE "LET'S INVESTIGATE THE INVESTIGATORS" CREDO ESPOUSED BY TRUMP IN HIS TYPICAL TRUMPIAN TACTICS of 180 DEGREE TURN ABOUT AND PROJECT ONTO YOUR OPPONENTS the WRONGS YOU YOURSELF ARE/HAVE COMMITTED or CLAIM YOU ARE THE VICTIM WHEN YOU ARE ACTUALLY THE VICTIMIZER!! JOSEF GOEBBELS USED THE SAME TACTICS TO BLAME THE OPPOSITION FOR THE VERY SAME CRIMES THE NAZIS THEMSELVES WERE COMMITING!!! WE HAVE BEEN HEADING DOWN A VERY DARK ROAD OF RACIST/FASCIST RECIDIVISM FOR A LONG TIME NOW JUST AS WE WERE BACK THEN only NOW PEOPLE ARE EXHORTED TO EXTREME VIOLENCE, EVERMORE IRRESPONSIBLE BEHAVIOR/THINKING and UNABASHED, BRAZENLY BOMBASTIC, UNASHAMED OUTBURSTS!!! When TRUMP DIDN'T WIN, (and he knew he wouldn't and didn't despite extensive attempts to GERRYMANDER, FIX and STEAL HIS OWN REELECTION BID)!! That's when TRUMP DECIDED TO PETULANTLY THROW THE COUNTRY INTO CHAOS!! If he COULDN'T BE "THE WINNER", then EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY would have to SUFFER HIS WRATH!! HE REFUSED TO ATTEND PRESIDENT BIDEN'S INAUGURATION in a VAIN ATTEMPT TO BLOCK THE ORDERLY AND PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER and REITERATED HIS CLAIMS OF STILL BEING THE PRESIDENT!!! Is this the KIND OF PRESIDENT AMERICA DESERVES?!? A TINHORN DICTATOR WANNABE PONTIFICATING FROM HIS TINY DESK IN HIS IMITATION WHITE HOUSE INSIDE HIS MAR-A-LAGO ESTATE?? Is this the KIND OF LEADERSHIP WE NEED(AS IS EMBODIED IN THE VARIOUS REPUBLICAN CONTENDERS FOR TRUMP'S THRONE)?!? The FRAMERS OF THE U.S. CONSTITUTION DELIBERATELY PUT IN SAFEGUARDS AGAINST PRESIDENTS OR ANY OTHER HOLDER OF PUBLIC OFFICE TO SELL HIS/HER LOYALTIES OR ALLEGIANCE TO ANY FOREIGN GOVERNMENT OR ENTITY WHETHER FRIEND OR FOE!!! IF THEY DO, THEN THEY CANNOT CONTINUE TO HOLD THE OFFICES THEY HAVE OR BE ALLOWED TO EVER AGAIN ATTAIN ANY GOVERNMENT OFFICE, POSTING OR ASSIGNMENT UNDER PENALTY OF ARREST, CONFINEMENT AND CONFISCATION OF THEIR PERSONAL PROPERTY OR HOLDINGS, SUCH AS ALL THE DELIBERATELY STOLEN AND HELD TOP SECRET DOCUMENTS THAT WERE FURTIVELY MISHANDLED/DISBURSED ABOUT TRUMPSY'S MAR-A-LAGO ESTATE IN THEIR HUNDREDS (PERHAPS TO USE AS POLITICAL BLACKMAIL AGAINST OPPONENTS TO BULLY AND INTIMIDATE THEM INTO SILENCE, SUBMISSION OR COMPLIANCE) OR TO SELL TO THE HIGHEST OR MOST INFLUENTIAL BIDDER FOR MONEY, POSITION OR POWER!! NO WE DON'T!!!
You're insane. Get your head out of your ass and your ass out of a left-wing interpretation of the 1980's. Reagan did what his Bankster bosses told him to do, just as every President has since WWII. The only exceptions being JFK and Nixon. One got his head blown off and the other was thrown out of office.
Communist riots, technocratic medical tyranny, NYC lighting up it's buildings to celebrate abortion, trans kids, mass immigration, & a deluge of free pornography in everyone's pocket and you think this is fascist theocracy?!
''I watched the show with Frank Zappa and John Lofton live on TV, I have to be honest I was thoroughly discombobulated by the tomfoolery and shenanigans coming from Lofton. Sure people are entitled to their views but the sheer floccinaucinihilipilification of what he was saying was staggering, you don't need to chew on fungus meatballs to dingle with the dangles and Lofton clearly had an agenda - rather than focus on affluence concentrate on talking pure flatulence. Lofton would probably have been no different had that been Don Rickles, in fact he'd probably have brought out a jar of pickles. Was Zappa doing promo videos showing buttocks quivering like jelly or jutting large bosoms pointing at you? I think not!'' - Emmanuel Talmage
You don’t need a weatherman to tell you which way the wind is gonna blow, BUT Zappa could see what all these long forgotten pundits failed to with utter clarity.
Frank knew this was going to happen. If he were still alive today I couldn't even imagine the kinds of words he'd use to rip apart the majority of American politicians currently in power. He'd have a field day with the Trump/Pence administration.
GraditudevsRevenge Good god I can’t even imagine. Look at how they’re trying to bring back churches officially endorsing candidates. Tax-exempt churches buying politicians to promote their bullshit. Good old America.
He'd also have a field day with leftist censorship, Antifa, SJW snowflakes and the coddling of Islamic terrorists. Never forget, Frank called himself a *conservative* and his main beef with the GOP was over the _EXACT_ same type of censorship the Marxist left is pushing today.
He was spot on , except in our current fascist state you don’t need to pass laws , just get idiot psychotics like Greene in office and Congress will vanish. The supreme court is already a farce.
He was so fucking right. I barely know anything about Zappa, but he was a great musician in his own unique way, and he was very right in this discussion. Sickens me how much they were interrupting him, you can see how scared they are of the truth.
On one hand I'm sad Frank is gone and unable to give his thoughts on the current political climate, but on the other hand I'm glad he doesn't have to see just how right he was.
I love How Mr. Zappa TEARS the Depends off of Lofton and Novak and exposes their "nether regions" while simultaneously foreshadowing what will happen in the next twenty years. What an amazing cultural figure - he will be missed!
Frank correctly saw what the interjection of religion into government would lead to and, more importantly, had the guts to speak about it. The message is still relevant today; keep your religion OUT of government.
That wasn't media drowning him out. That was Republicans asking him a question then sticking their fingers in their ears, then talking over him telling him they don't want to hear his opinion. Typical Republican response to anything even decades later.
While Zappa may not have been Nostradamus, he was right on the mark on a Facist Therocracy. It gives an eeririe feeling on how far to the political right the country as a whole has shifted.
