How do you feel about ZZZ compared to WuWa? I felt like after spending 12 hours on ZZZ, I've already spent enough time. Time is in my eyes a currency, and continuing to play a game I don't enjoy in the hopes it might get better is a prime example of the sunk cost fallacy. I've got better things to spend my time on.
ZZZ's combat in nutshell Easy to learn hard to master all characters have same ATK speeds making kinda repetitive but in the end all gacha games' combat is just button mashing. While WW's combat is just hard to from the get go as each character has different combat mechanics some are fast some are slow plus its an open world so enemies have time to crawl any where in a zone. In the end both games have their own unique gimmicks which sets them apart. ZZZ relies heavily on split second decision making which will either make or break the DMG u deal. So u have to trade off. WW's combat is pretty solid relying heavily on dodge and parry mechanics. In my opinion ZZZ is just for a casual laid back and its trying to do its own thing which I think is to be respected but many players including myself felt kinda odd because it deviates from ARPG title or action players were looking for. Its trying to look more unique and different than others. But we'll see where this goes as Honkai star rail was also bashed for its Turn Based RPG style and look how it turned out. WW is applying already used formulas and mechanics in Open world with more engaging combat and some spice of generosity from the creators and devs to boost its player count. I am optimistic about both games apart from some issues mainly WW's story and ZZZ's TV systems and gacha system. Overall its was good experience for me.
i have played all hoyo games since 2014 on launch of GGZ their first gacha game the one before Hi3. i uninstalled ZZZ in 1 day. bad systems reminds me of how horrible Hi3 was on launch and it got a LOT better later but same as I did with hi3 I will just let the game progress 2 years and jump in then if its good. people have the wrong idea this games are only good if you get in 1.0 when in reality you can jump in at any point and experience all the game has to offer and get bigger game to play the later you jump in.
I find it crazy that the beta testers told them about the TV problem,, they reduced the "TV problem" by 50% and it still turned players away from completing the story. Imagine if they didnt reduce it by 50% tho......
Yeh the TV mechanic was such a core part of the gameplay in testing. Every time I did a feedback survey I would mention that I thought it was a cool idea but I didn't really enjoy it. It actually used to be a lot more and also way tougher, with specific objectives to complete that awarded polychrome and it was such a pain if you missed one as you had to redo the whole mission. I thought they would delay it at least another year or 2 to create new puzzle side mechanic to the character action stuff but I guess they already invested too much into it. They have definitely cut out about 50% of the TV stuff which shows that there was a lot before.
Bruh, then what about wuwa or pretty much any gacha game? Its yapping, yapping yapping, fight fodder, yapping, some more yapping, and then PROBABLY you fight a boss and get a cutscene, and thats a probably. In wuwa you got this variety of comic, yapping, TV storytelling, cutscene, comic, cutscene again (mind you they’re at least 2x longer than any other gacha im surprised they’re that long), fight fodder, fight a giant ass mecha, another cutscene.
@@NFYT There's an option to skip. The game is literally time consuming with the TVs. Lore =/= Gameplay No one is bashing the story and cutscenes, the problem is literally the gameplay + TVs.
@@NFYTtbh in wuwa is combat - skipping - skipping - combat - combat - skipping - rewards, let be honest i play all 4 games of hoyo and wuwa too and ngl zzz falls behind on that part and combat feel good at same time there a lot of yaping really a lot and the entire game revolves around that yaping . I like zzz and will try it but lets be honest comparing it to Wuwa is giving zzz to much credit they aint even half of wuwa game experience .
@@NFYTWuWa has longer fights and the combat is actually interactive. How long do you fight in ZZZ? Hell even Genshin's combat has more depth. I like ZZZ's way of presenting the story, it's very charming and the cutscenes are well animated but I'm pretty sure when people are looking for games, they want the "game" part.
@@than7831 Genshin does have a pretty deep combat system if you take your time to master it though, there are a lot of hidden variables to take into consderation involved with elemental reactions.
Gotta say I kinda regret playing Wuwa Now I have set my standards too high for gacha games 😂 Cant even go back to playing genshin after spending time on Wuwa 😂 Much less redownload zzz lmao
I think Kuro has figured out a very sensible gacha system. They almost give characters away for free because getting to play with them keeps the entire playerbase happy. Medium spenders will pay up for more resources to lessen the grind. And big spenders will pay for more pulls and duplicates to max out characters.
The monetization in WuWa, even with the same price per currency as Genshin/HSR, feels better for a lot of the reasons you listed. Soft pity at 65 with most pulls at 68-70 feels amazing knowing that.
Yeah the 5 star select banner meant i was guaranteed to get a character i wanted to play with, so stuck around in Wuwa. Seperate weapon and character is amazing as well, as getting a weapon sucks on a 5 star if you want characters
For me, combat system of ww just like a bag of lego. You can play by many style as you want. While in zzz case. It was a jigsaw puzzle bag. You forced to play the way mhy want you to play.
I disagree respectfully. You can play ZZZ however you want, the systems in place intuitively encourage stun swapping which will be the standard experience. I can run a DPS double support comp and utilize supports quick assists off their skills which are also their buffs to swap in and out on one character, using parrying with my support to the left of my character so I can hop right back in off the supports skill and swapping the other way on breaks to full circle rotate onto my dps. You dont have to even use parry, you can just dodge if you are on a buff and wanna push numbers with your dps. Wuwa, and credit where its due they did a great job, ends up in a genshin esque place where your dps is the core unit and the other two barely see field time between ults, with rapidly generating forte meters to allow effective swapping. You have more freedom but as you get to level 80-90 characters hyper dps becomes the most effective path as simply dps racing the boss is the most efficient. Just my take on it.
@@Luchamasterfit that's what i don't like in zzz, from what i see once you trigger that parry quick swap its forces you to finish everything consecutively or wait a bit till the counter goes away which disturbs your pace, and you can't even be interrupted while doing swap chain, meanwhile in Wuwa make a wrong intro or outro coz your mashing buttons and you get punished
@@evilcerealarmy7218 Thats fair, but once again you dont have to use the parry as you can just dodge attack or you can hold off on attacks the illicit stun and setup on a support to skill stun to start the chain. You can also double rotate by ulting on chain 3 immediately. There is more to it but its true that it will happen on its own. Its also worth noting that the chain attacks are just ults that dont consume decibels and are a bit weaker. So its very similar to just swap ulting like we do in games like wuwa and genshin
ZZZ is exactly what I feared it would be, a fake action game. Mechanics like the switching and the parries remove player autonomy because it's a lot easier to power creep a system like that and make people spend more. The actual action gameplay, when you finally get through the TVs and get to it, would rather make you look cool so the game can hide how little choices you have while playing, and distract you from the mediocre action by making it look cooler then it actually is. Thank god WuWa showed up right before it did.
I really like the observation of power creep. By giving less autonomy, characters and team synergies become way more important. This, in turn, means that you are pretty much reliant on having well built characters to do anything.
@@tirthgupta4798 It was my biggest concern with both WuWa and ZZZ, how do they plan to make their money. I especilly care as a low spender who doesn't have the money to just pull for things.
This is the same from what I observed in Honkai Star Rail, it's a turn based game but characters only have 2 skills. So powercreep is easier and there are little room of pulling errors bc characters only do so little and they need other characters to function properly.
@@elfawne Hoyoverse knows what they're doing. Instead of making their games better, they take complaints, apply them to their next Gacha to cast a bigger net. Already don't like Genshin? Great, here's a new game that fixes SOME of the problems. Like Genshin, here's a game that fixed the problems, but keep playing Genshin and hope we put some of that into the game (they won't) ZZZ is dangling as many keys in the face of people as they can with relentless ad campaigns and very "in your face" visuals, while still doing everything they can to make the game as artificial as possible for the sake of power creep. And what's worse is that it works.
True, double the amount of storage vs wuwa but way less content to do. A combat focused game but way more heavy than an open world game. And the combat also not as satisfying too why is it so heavy
" let me uninstall red dead redemption2 one of the best open world immersive games with an amazing story for this tv simulator gambling game with mediocre story and rewards and don't you dare insult my multi billion dollar company "
If ZZZ wasn't made by HV, no one would even give a shit about it. HV just relies on their marketing power to push this shit to people who don't even spend 10 mins googling actually good games.
Bold statement, any AAA gacha game will be at least noticed by the community, you say that ZZZ wouldn’t be noticed but bc of hyv, but then what about all these games that are genshin like or consider themselves genshin killers? Without hoyoverse, would they not succeed? No stupid its just marketing, if its not with hoyoverse they would find another way to make themselves notice, by sponsors, announcements, youtube ads, if not, how tf you think genshin got that popular? 😂, and no it wasn’t all HI3 merit, the game wasn’t as popular as genshin’s blow up
@@NFYT I agree... And I think this game has the potential to be very good. The core of the combat is very good. They just need to make some changes like let the character on field parry, make the enemies more active and more threatening...things like that. I think people really need to atleast give this game a try. The combat obviously is gonna be easy at the beginning so yea you can button mash and clear early game content. That doesn't mean the combat mechanics aint good. I find the combat satisfying. Its not as hardcore as wuwa; which I think has the best combat mechanics in the whole gacha game industry; but at the same time it's not as brainrot as genshin combat. And hot take...but the tv screens thing is kinda growing on me....
Its the lovable character models as well. People love the Hoyo style. But ill be honest, i dont care for the anthromorphs that are 90 percent animal and barely human >< its Hoyo's weakest set of character designs so far for me. Even more childish than Genshin with its design, and again, they went the anthromporph style that i feel is far less popular with the mega furry characters.
As much as I hate to admit it... this is basically a "To Each their Own" scenario. I admit the game was enjoyable, but once you played wuwa... you just... you'll always come back.. what made me enjoy wuwa was its like a souls-like game, albeit it's far more forgiving compared to other souls/souls-like game. ZZZ, on the other hand was felt like there's not a lot of thought put into it besides their "attention to details", designs and gameplay.. it's like a desperate attempt to get all their players back to hoyo, seeing how there is a competition now Edit: To clarify... The End game Difficulty and Fighting mechanics is more or less similar to the elements of a souls-like game... if I can compare wuwa to a well know game.. that would be DMC. I stand corrected on claiming it is a Souls Like game... I just meant to say that wuwa incorporates *Souls-Like Elements* In the end... wuwa is basicslly a Toned down Dmc
@@Wolfxzy15 @rejjeromerosaldes722 I stand my point... there's a reason why I mentioned that wuwa is more forgiving compared to real souls-like games... Wuwa incorporates souls like elements on the game.. such as less forgiving bosses (hologram). To provide A detailed explanation on why it is very much like a souls-like game albeit it isn't, here's what I can say. The game has challenging boss fights (Not taking into account the low level challenges) holograms and such.. that makes you put your time into mastering your parrying, dodges , timing, strats, and learning the attack patterns seeing how most bosses can insta kill you..pretty much a souls-like element. Second.. the combat mechanics. The game is dynamic and demands precise and controlled movements and execution... with an emphasis on Dodging, Parrying, Stamina Consumption, and Timing attacks... which again a souls-like element Third, exploration and world design.. Wuwa is basically a Non-linear progression game where they can explore different locations, puzzles and such areas. You may have misread my point, but what I mean is that... Wuwa is not like Genshin.. ZZZ.. or gacha games you play... Wuwa is different... it boast in its combat mechanics and features that is pretty much a souls-like element albeit they are toned down... Of course we can admit, On official categories..It will not be categorized as a souls like game because wuwa is an Open World RPG... but the difference between other Open world rpg is that Wuwa is more leaning on aggressive combat style that forced you to be aware of your surroundings and mastering a playstyle... not like the others that just... well... "1 Million damage" and Button Mashing
WuWa clears. Played ZZZ as a beta tester. Clearly the hyv didn’t take into account that just zooming around a tv 70% creates brainrot. That clicking one button for everything in combat creates brainrot. Finally, that enemies just standing around creates brainrot. Also, who the hell decided that we have to spend for characters that we’ll only see like 5% of the time?
Exactly my point! Literally I got Ellen after hard 87 pulls, only to not even able to play her outside of domain-based combats, nor even seeing here anywhere else than the agents select screen. Even Blue Archive and Nikke allow us to have their characters on the lobby and have some dialogues with them. Like, what is this game even trying to achieve?
@@vterans8804?? Ellen is all accross the city, i’ve encountered her like 10 times, in other games you wouldn’t even ve capable of doing so, also i heard they was going to add new areas where you could probably use whoever you want, but still, anyways, i don’t think its such a major problem, because domains are the most part of the game innit? I mean after all the TV bullshit i mean, all you find is combat, hollow zero, this game’s abyys, every single challenging mode which is LITERALLY fighting nonstop. Matter of fact the fights in this game are longer than most games i’ve tried, im talking about NORMAL fighting, so you really see them in action really more than a lot of these games, in genshin fights lasts like 5 seconds, in HSR you don’t see em bc you’re auto’ing in background, wuwa has the same problem as genshin UNLESS you’re fighting a hologram, in that case instead of seeing them in action for 1 minute you see em for 5 or 6
@@NFYTwe want to be able to Interact with our Waifus/Husbando everytime we log in the game, not in some random ass area in some random ass time. Also what you mean fighting nonstop?? The TV's and the yapping makes it so boring to continue the story! The enemies barely attacks but even when they do it's so predictable because theres a gold flash or a sound queue. You only spam button in the game which is basic attack! They implemented the skill so badly because its lock in a charge bar that takes forever to charge. This is not a combat focused game at all, this is just good visuals and animation and story that's it.
@@NFYT you get to use and walk around the game world with the character the entire time in Genshin/HSR/WuWa. Saying in HSR you don’t see em bc you’re auto’ing is the equivalent of saying “I don’t see the characters because I don’t look.” Also, how is the fighting “literally nonstop,” you downplayed the TV bullshit which is 50 percent of the gameplay. 30 percent of it is a slice of life game where you don’t get to use your pulled and paid characters. 20 percent is combat. That is no nonstop
LOL you haven't seen the lvl30 + rally where 90% of the game parry coz it doesn't even give you a chance to hit 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 what you touch is just piece of the pie for the low brain people who just wanted to try the game. I remember they nerf a boss in genshin back then because people are not happy on how hard it is. 🤣🤣🤣 so the result? they make it easy for low brain people who are not really into pushing the game further. the one who push further are the one getting the hard part
@@WickIsFollowYouMeh, another lie. It's not hard. Zero depth mechanic. Parry and dodge mechanic are barely different from each other in this game. Somehow they failed to make parry satisfying. Stop saying that ZZZ is a hard game when it's a casual game. Why trying so hard to claim ZZZ is a hard game when it's not at all? "It will get harder after level bla bla bla", lol, the last time I saw someone said it will be harder after tutorial. After that, they said it will be harder after level 30. Now you said past level 35. What next? The game will be harder after level 40? Then 45? 50? BS.
@@WickIsFollowYou WuWa? Did I mention anything about WuWa? I didn't say a single thing about WuWa. How did you come to the conclusion that I said WuWa has hard content difficulty? Or just because I don't like ZZZ suddenly I support WuWa? That's your logic? I am here only to talk about what you said about ZZZ. You said 'The guy who only played the story pre level 35' to someone said ZZZ is a punching bag simulator. What does that mean? Is there any other meaning than 'Just wait until level 35 then ZZZ won't be a punching bag simulator'? which is equivalent to ZZZ will be much harder after level 35. Any other meaning? Late game mechanics? Tell me what I am missing from the game? I believe there is zero thing. The combat is still the same, basic and lacking depth, Enemies AI are still dumb, spend half of their time standing still getting punched. Since it's made by the same company, most likely they will only increase their HP again and make them another HP sponge.
WuWa clears. I honestly do think if this game came out before WuWa it might have been somewhat decent. But WuWa set the bar so damn high its not even funny, every hoyo game just feels so boring compared to WuWa
Idk i think WuWa fell off hard. After 2 weeks of playing and being done with most of the stuff, i could just tell how there was nothing to do. Worst thing were the events, they SUCKED. And after the devs said the events will be better wd got low effort trash sadly. Turns out just showering people with pulls but nothing to do aint gonna be great in the long run. Having everything you could ask for 3 days in with no content threw me off ngl
@@kayanono maybe u weren't supposed to consume the entire 1.0 release in a few days? no gacha game is a main game; and people should have learned from the GI expreience. The events were a bit bland but kuro will discover their formula in a few patches. Meanwhile the map and story updates are peak in 1.1
@@silentstone4325map are peak??? God... The emptiness i feel "exploring" the new map.... Sure wuwa has more "sharpness" but i can't enjoy the scenery when it's mostly just flat plane and unnoticeable landmarks Also you people kept defending the game that you shouldn't rush the game for content but then what the hell do i do with my built team? Just the ToA? Lame dps check Hologram? Same dps check It's not? Well why am i timed then? It shouldn't be timed if it's not dps check So i don't have to farm up for dmg check so that i don't run out of time
@@saceurai6629 yea? Then it's the same stuff so why bother spreading hate comments down on other games then? Saying subjective stuff all over the place I can't with y'all Saying wuwa "clears" and all that stuff
Not even a competition wuwa wins 100% My reason is zzz is 20gb in phone and also when i played it my whole map was black not being able to see anything and zzz is very laggy for bad device players and you need a good device to play zzz properly. This is my own opinion
@@PikachuPolicewuwa also called us poor i think? Except they actually had better reason since they are using unreal engine which is heavier than what hoyo is using which is unity.
Erm... Wuwa has some optimization problems, even when the graphics are low the game is laggy! After the 1.1 update the game has been a lag fest for mobile players. It's been a while and they stilñ haven't fixed the lag/fps drop problems in the game. ￣へ￣
I actually enjoy ZZZ quite a bit, even the TV system, but spending money seems like a TRAP. The predatory practices are clearly on overdrive in this game. The high amount of element-specific things scares me. It's more than any previous Hoyo games.
They copied PGR elemental buffs but one thing about PGR is that characters can be guaranteed per patch meanwhile in zzz you can lose 50/50 and god to hard pity losing
100% Agree. I watched all the CBTs. I hate the TV "gameplay". If I wanted to play a puzzle game, I'd play a puzzle game. I want to play an open-world action combat RPG. Genshin was the first. Wuwa was the second. I didn't even want to try ZZZ, but the Street Fighter "collab" gave me some hope. I tried playing ZZZ until I got the "free pulls". I used 30 pulls. I got NOTHING. And I had to play that god awful TV system. I was right that I wouldn't be able to stand the game. I'll give Hoyo credit. The style is great. The VA is great. The music is pretty good. But the "gameplay" just isn't there. Again, I HATE the TV "gameplay", the combat feels button-mashy, the enemies fights aren't so impressive (they mostly just stand around), and all this video's other comments about the combat are spot on. It just isn't as satisfying (for me) as Wuwa. Best of luck to those who actually like ZZZ. I won't be playing it unless they REMOVE the TV system and improve the combat.
as someone who quit playing after 2 days but doesn't know anything about the CBTs, may i ask what things they changed and things they still left in the game despite reviews from the playerbase? i keep hearing people say that HYV still kept the TV System despite numerous complaints from CBT and it makes me wonder if there were other stuff
if you say all this in r/gachagaming, you'd be downvoted to hell and back. The amount of white knights coming to get you just for disliking your experience is insane over there
I think these two games are like apples and oranges despite their similar combat concept. Wuwa is a cinematic experience to explore the open world RPG with movement and combat, ZZZ is a more casual arcade experience that progresses with combat. Their art styles are also different but very fitting for their concepts, ngl the retro-cyberpunk look of ZZZ initially is kind of shocking at first coming from Genshin, Wuwa, and HSR which have modern UI design, but is totally consistent with the overall game.
ZZZ reminds me of Persona in a way - cute town, people to meet, small quests, but with the combat dramatically compressed to just the main battles for each area - no endless mobs and hallways like mazes and exploring for chests and so on. Move around like a board game (TV mode), do 2-3 battles, go directly to the boss. Go home. It's just a different almost console retro type game. Fair enough. Not all games have to be some open world run around forever meeting 400 people and... not all of us want a Souls type game all the time.
Explaining the handholding that ZZZ does really put it in perspective for me. It felt so simplified despite walls of text on skill descriptions. I’m trying to like it but it’s keeps taking control away from me while trying to convince me it’s not the case and it’s just helping. Thank you for putting it into words.
If it came out before wuwa, then yes it would have been a combat focused game compared to genshin or honkai. But wuwa and pgr set a new bar for gacha game combat.
Wuthering Waves has no tv's, I can play with my characters WHENEVER I want, not when the game tells me to, I actually have to turn my brain on while playing wuwa (as opposes to turning it off while playing ZZZ). ZZZ has no open world, actually barely a world, is only instances and menus. Beautiful looking game, very stylish and absolutely boring and lackluster. AND we are playing our characters the most at the moment, since we are doing the story (currently lvl 29). Also, the future looks dreadful for us F2P players on ZZZ. WuWa is better is not even remotely close.
@@WadeWontson there is not much content to do, therefore, there aren't many ways to get the premium currency for pulls. Once the launch content is done, we are done. It looks worse than genshin tbh. No chests, no exploration, no secrets, nothing to collect, its not looking good.
@@Ghashlord And not to forget, the “FREE 180 PULLS” big lie. Like seriously, if “free pulls” means we have to do this do that do whatsoever level up to lv 99 and unlock all achievements while waiting for 30 days logins, then in the same logic haven’t Genshin and HSR done that to begin with too? Meanwhile Wuwa be like, “Here you go another LEGIT free pulls on your mail, oh and another one, and also another, and another one, okay guys might as well get this free 5 stars selector”. They’re way too kind that even the community begged them to stop giving too many freebies lol. Their legitimate generosity was something that previously impossible for a gacha game.
I honestly want tectonic to actually watch this because this is actually the reason why people don’t like ZZZ and it makes sense and honestly, I was having that frustration the game shot I didn’t feel like it was something good I hate the TV. Honestly the TV was so annoying. I felt like the combat like you have to switch double characters and all it’s like oh you have to to be honest, this is why I didn’t like the game. I didn’t even continue after that. I went back to WuWa
WuWa would win with just for the hard pity at 80 and the absence of 50/50 on the limited weapon banner, but the thing is that it's really fun to play as well.
The combat in ZZZ is a lot more simple. Straight up. ZZZ fans need to accept it, it’s sad seeing them find “complex mechanics” and it’s just the most basic thing ever lmfao The combat also feels much more limiting/restrained. You have to auto a ton to even use an EX skill, you are forced to swap, and you can’t jump. It just feels like you’re shackled. Playing WuWa after ZZZ you can just FEEL the difference. More negatives, the story is ZZZ, the TVs are annoying, it actually wouldn’t be bad as a mini game on the side, but being forced to do it over and over is not fun. Majority of the character designs are very mid (except Billy he’s awesome). I’ll probably keep playing it for awhile for Billy and I’m not playing any other gacha games rn except WuWa so it can be my filler gacha for now lol. If I was playing multiple gacha games already though I wouldn’t be bothered to keep playing it
This. Unfortunately, the courage to admit that your game is simply waaaaaaay too casual is a luxury nowadays. Like, why do they think it's a bad thing? Gets the company money, and gets you more players as well. People who refuse to admit it are the ones who are indirectly calling casual games bad.
As someone whose main game is wuwa but who decided to give zzz a chance... It gets better at account level 25 when you unlock abyss and roguelike. Not wuwa level of better but still, much better. The problem is it takes about 20 hours to get there. They really dropped the ball in the early game.
@@Soundwave1900 I did the same to give a fair chance instead of being part of the hate bandwagon. imo, the abyss was at least fun despite being another tv simulator. But for the story, it's not fun. Maybe if they remove the tv in the story, and kept the tv in abyss, that would've been fine.
@@MikuscarShiro Yeah, agree there, I think the tv mode should only be a thing in Hollow Zero and some short side quests with unique handcrafted map. By the story is not fun do you mean in terms of gameplay or in terms of writing? Because I find the writing the strongest over all hoyo games so far, really enjoy it. Honestly, that's the whole reason why I've stuck with the game for so long.
I guess it depends on the type of people you are If you like casual gameplay, not much of a challenge, having a quick fun and you also like uhh... *Certain fetish* I guess ZZZ is fine If you're more of a hardcore player, likes combat focus games, world exploration and longer gameplay, Wuwa works
It's not even a debate the simple answer is WuWa. ZZZ is not even an open world which is not even a good comparison but if it's about the combat system similarities, WuWa takes the entire cake.
ZZZ literally makes you feel like one of the operators in the Matrix. You know, those guys who just stare at letters in a computer screen while everyone else is doing the cool stuff
this video sums up my experience with both games perfectly. It's a shame zzz is held back by flawed design decisions when it has a great style and high-end polish on animations and characters. why did they not see this coming? I'm honestly shocked anyone can get past the bad to truly enjoy the little good there is in zzz
I mean I use the Trailblazer 100% of the time for overworld exploration in HSR, so this isn't an issue to me at all. Feels wrong using anything but the MC imo
There's even less reason to pull for the weapons. When I pull for a weapon in WuWa, not only do I feel like it's within my reach, but I'll be able to see it in game and it'll actually look nice. If you pull for a weapon in ZZZ, you won't even see it in combat; you'll have spent what precious pulls you have in ZZZ for just a barebones stat boost.
I think it's too large too, but its a quality thing. Skyrim/BOTW is less than 15 gigs, yet Hades1/2 recommends 15-20 gigs. ZZZ has highly rendered models for every W-engine, damn magazines have high resolution covers, etc. So *why* is answered, whether that level is quality is worth it for the amount of storage is up to the individual to decide.
They say it's because his long animations are pre-recorded, taking up a lot of storage space, while Wuthering Waves' animations are rendered in real-time.
Just to be clear I play both WuWa and ZZZ. But lately as I touch my pc less, ZZZ seems to win out on the mobile experience with controller support. Playing WuWa on mobile after ZZZ is like trying to run up a wall in Genshin.
as a mobile wuwa player i wanna say wtf is with this new update , i played prefectly fine whne the game releases , but when 1.1 came my wuwa started to lag so bad and even crash , and they still havent optimised it. i like wuwa but , damn this update
Idk if I'd call this a "fair comparison" literally, we don't know what full potential either of these games have. They've been out for so little time our knowledge of the games are small, especially zzz. Both systems have a lot of potential, and personally it all depends on your preferences in gameplay and game style.
This TV thing is what made me not even download the game, so I can't give any opinion about it, but the thing I can say is playing more than one gacha is crazy, great video, I finally understood some of the gameplay that I saw my friends having in this game.
This review nails what ive felt about the game since i started playing it. I hate the tv system. i hate not being able to skip cutscenes and the dumb text dialogues during the tv segments and everywhere else really. I hate the overly sexualized loli characters. If you think im lying, go check out nekomata’s animations esp when she does the crouching. Look at her pants and the designer really emphasized her privates. I love her kit but i hate her design. I hate how you cant choose when to do the qte swap and u cant even choose not to do it because the game just forces u too. I hate that you cant parry without switching characters and you are basically forced to play a worse character because you cant parry if you dont. They really did take away player agency during combat and say that its satisfying to play. Also, theres so many loading screens for such a small map.
True. Two small nitpicks: you can actually choose to not qte out if you just wait for 3s doing nothing. Feels like garbage through. And you can swap back right after with a C key without losing anything but game flow, feels clunky.
Honestly, I didn't like ZZZ when I started playing it, and I also got a 5 star character that I really DIDN'T want. I rerolled 4 times for Soldier 11 and finally got her along with Kaledo, and I can say that the game is actually really fun after that in the endgame especially. But that's the thing, the fun is locked behind characters. And it's really easy to just NOT get the characters you want. The gameplay is lackluster on 80% of the characters, Anby and Soldier 11 were the only ones that really intrigued me with their gameplay and design as sol 11 has decent skill expression. It would seem most of their budget went into animations and adding physics to jugs, if ZZZ fails, it would be deserved because of the bad design, even though I really like it.
most characters has less moveset. most don't have hold attacks. try the trail 5 stars. There only the cat and the wolf butler had more movesets then others.
They should just repackage the game into a buy-once, single player game. Skippable side quest dialogue. Skippable TV system. Every character available like Persona and most JRPG.
@@reactiondavant-garde3391 i guess but it wouldnt get constant updates, gacha games revenue aid in making more content. theres upsides and downsides, kurogames has perfected the gacha imo.
i am level 52 on wuwa love it, i put money on it cause i want to see more of the depth kuro has been putting on every character i am level 25 in zzz so far, and the thing that is annoying me the most so far, isn't a lack of depth, because it has around the same depth as early PGR, the problem is, you have to fight with the game to see that depth because of the auto chain. starting combos and juggle states just to get cucked by a prompt that lasts 2 seconds and completely kills the flow of the combo you were labbing is really frustrating. if they add a opton to simply not trigger this accursed auto chain, the overall quality of the combat will improve by a lot. but hoyo is hoyo so i don't really have hopes they will add it.
They will add it but simple with character. Thats how they do it. If you want a jump instead of giving jump button for every character. They simple just add a new character that can literally can jump and do jump combo
I’ve been watching Tectone. He clearly 100% likes WuWa better in *almost* every aspect and has said as much. He’s actually just *maturely* (in this case) waiting to form a complete opinion before his final critique and thinks the zZz bashtrain is too severe and premature
@@spacecadet-zero yeah but his take on people who only play less then 5 hours shouldnt say anything is just bad and opposite to what he is saying for other games. And one thing is that people are criticising the game, then cc like these create the narrative that doing such is toxic and hate farm it. I enjoy tecton but like hex said he creates the voice and his chatter is same like others sheep, shutting down everyone who gives their opinion. That might be not intentional but fact that is result of a cc action. And procced to that say not his problems.
13:54 "Wuthering waves, on the other hand, uses the most engaging part of its game - combat..." - Proceeds spearing an innocent goat out of nowhere because of the broken targeting system Lmao i just can't, that was perfect 😂
This is so true. My 1st five stars on wuwa was verina and encore and fighting with them on open world is soo annoying especially encore cuz she would always end up targeting random goats, cows or random objects instead of the enemy😢
Their ads were starting to draw me in with their cute characters but you just saved me so many hours and dollars of grief. Thank you so much for this video. I dont wanna touch zenless zone zero anymore. 😅
You know what's funny about this situation? People thought that Wuwa's release will finally kill Genshin Impact, or improve it thanks to the competition. And what did happened? -It did little to nothing to Genshin. -It improved Punishing Gray Raven as a whole (even though that game is already great) -And, while it didn't kill zzz, it sure did some damage. A battle that no one thought it would happen. This... sure was a surprise.
Uh... Genshin is dead in my eyes. lol It's the same as WoW. Genshin has sunk-cost-fallacy going for it. People who already spent thousands of hours and thousands of $$$ are attached to the game, even if better games exist. New generation of players who compare the two games fairly will not choose Genshin. In that way, Genshin will slowly go downhill. Like WoW, even if it never truly dies, it will just keep drifting downward.
@@KaiserBrasil its because hoyo babies are deadass supporting all their games and defending their decisions thats why hoyo is producing trash games and updates
You described pretty well why the combat in ZZZ doesn't feel as satisfying as WuWa even though both have very similar elements. In ZZZ it feels like the only choice I get to make is which character to pick in the QTE selection moment, and even that doesn't feel very significant. When I'm switching characters it is even very hard to tell to which character I'm switching to since there is not a dedicated button for each character slot.
@@27Ganon I meant that for example in WuWa you press 1 for the character in slot 1, 2 for the character in slot 2, and 3 for the character in slot 3. In ZZZ it is more like a wheel rotation and you can just change to the next character and the previous character, which is harder to tell which is which with simple muscle memory unless you play a lot with that team in the same positions.
I like the TVs... I mean, I like this text based dungeon crawler stuff, my biggest problem is thet we just don't get to use our character enough. It is too much other activity, but this is a gacha game, if we doN't allowed to use our characters why even use this monetary modell??? I think they made mistake in balancing the time you need to use for different part of the game. It is feel like the different aspects fighting with each other.
I think the TVs would be fine if it was only 5-10% of gameplay. There's just far too many pauses, animations, and unskippable dialogue that clogs up the entire story experience and makes it almost unbearable. You literally are sitting there clicking left mouse as fast as you can to try and progress.
this is EXACTLY one of the worst parts of HI3 the second mihoyo gacha game. that game had tons of events and main history quest where you didn't even play your characters, and it being stage based also no open world. meaning pulling characters was mostly for meta rank mode. since other than that there was not much to play with them.
@@saintontas You have a lot of skipible story moments, but yes, the TVs are too numerous. If I understand correctly the devs already planning to reduce it in the future up-dates though this not help with the early game experience.
@@lucaskp16 At least in this game you allowed to use your charactrs even in story mode, but meeen, they really should balanced the game better, because even with this fact we use characters too rarely.
There is a reason for why zzz is that simple and boring. Mihoyo always try to “simple” things as it is a mobile game not a pc one and they want the game to be human friendly in which everyone especially kids can play unlike other games have their target audience. In genshin, they succeeded but in zzz, after experiencing wuwa, it didn’t work as they planned.
I already went back to WuWa.. i absolutely despise the TV Route and dont like the lack of control over your characters switch out.. and u have to wait to get the rewards. Has Hoyoverse not learned from Genshins abysmal 3rd anniversary lack of rewards and now with holding back rewards to a certain level. No thank you!! WuWa is just throwing out rewards just because. In the end, the rewards are nice but i can feel that Kuro Games genuinely wants you to play there game and have fun, and that is truly felt.
I was excited for Wuwa but the optimization issues are awful. I have a 6700xt and the game ran at 15fps. Even tried it many times since but nothing has changed. Meanwhile ZZZ has worked flawlessly from day 1. That's the main dealbreaker for me
I don't know how other cc's like tectone and gatchasmack still gives it like 7 ratings when they haven't even reach the endgame themselves so they are rating it based on early game experience
damn I'm kinda sad LOL, i thought ZZZ would be like Wuwa bc it was released the same year, but reading the comments and video says otherwise, so maybe I might not get into it and just play HSR and Wuwa
This is the best comparison i have seen so far about WuWa and ZZZ. fair and straight facts... instead of licking Hoyo's ass (like most CC's currently) trying to be positive about ZZZ when it clearly sucks balls -_- keep doing what u are doing man, u just earned yourself a sub and always say the truth no matter what. if a game suck then say it as it is.
But the comparison is so wuwa biased. It just skipped comparison in visuals, cutscene,voice acting, presentation and most importantly performance which wuwa lacks a lot.
You do all of the characters ultimates when you stun the enemies and trigger a chain attack. Thats why when you’re leveling skills their ultimate and chain attack skill is under the same skill talent. So you regularly do all 3 ultimates at the same time.
You can also play and switch characters WHENEVER YOU WANT in ZZZ as well - just preemptively hit the space bar instead of dodging - basically tagging out. Getting beat? Getting staggered? Stunned? Low on HP? Tag out instantly to the next character. Done - simple as any other game. It's shocking how many people don't realize this and think they can only switch whenever they are prompted to. That "prompt" is specifically for combo attacks, not normal switching of characters. And if you play at the normal/hard difficulty, you have to swap a LOT later on - it gets quite challenging. edit - also - legit OMG??? How do people miss this?
I don't hate it, but what I like about it has nothing to do with the foundation of what makes this type of game (arena/instance-based hack-and-slash ARPGs) great. And that's the combat. What I like about it is the art direction, story presentation, music, and graphic designs. Basically the audio-visual creative elements. But that's it. I don't even hate the TVs. I find the combat flashy and cool but the substance is shallow. There are interesting mechanics but not as in depth as say WuWa or one of its direct competitors, PGR. Also, I find it weird that some CC from other communities are framing it as some sort of gacha/fighting game hybrid with the hidden mechanics or fighting game jargons like zoning but then other past and current gachas have the same and are even more in depth. I think it's just because of the Street Fighter collab and the words coming from the devs. But to me, of course they're gonna say that and hype up the collab because it's a marketing ploy.
I played zzz until lvl 27 (20+hours) And i tried to stop playing the game like 6x. The game just doesnt suit me at all. The game is so boring and bad that kept me want to know when the game will become enjoyable ???? Until i realize how miserable i am i this past 3 days. Then i just say f*ck it even this game later become good i am done and i love myself !!!!! FOMO makes this game alive the game is just boring n sucks
I really hate that you can only use ONE ultimate from your three characters... For a game that already has so few options in combat (There isn't even a HEAVY attack like wtf...) to take away ANOTHER button from two of your characters is wild to me... Especially coming from WuWa which ADDED an extra button with the echo skills
I actually didnt hate zzz im actually kind of surprised everyone hating on it but I'm not complaining lmao Its funny cus people really thought zzz would take away the spotlight from wuwa LMAO
Criticizing isn't hating. Hating is just trashing the game without providing reasons. This video provides many, many reasons why people don't like the game.
Hating is probably a strong word. Sure, there's no doubt that there are brainless people that hate the game just because it's a Hoyo game, but lots of people are also presenting valid criticisms about the game and presenting some solution on how it can be improved, however, the devs of ZZZ did not listen to the CBT player's feedback and banked on the Hoyoverse brand name that it will be accepted by the general masses.
@@SundayMatinee Well you should've seen more video on people talking about ZZZ. Heck, just look up comments in this video alone and people hating without any criticism
The game doesn't have gameplay. The gameplay in this game is Tv's and forced Switching. Both are not enjoyable. The game looks fine has good music, Story is subjective so It may be for you may be not. and the game is too big for what it really is, 57 GB on PC while WuWa is 23 GB ( after 1.1 update )
I honestly felt EXACTLY the same way after my first few days playing ZZZ, but after progressing a bit more and unlocking a lot more of the features like hollow zero, shiyu defense, etc. the game has grown on my quite a bit. I do wish Hoyo took some notes from Kuro on the player experience / rewards standpoint. They’re so stingy it’s painful lol
yeah, ZZZ feels boring in the early game. It only good after unlocking the end game contents and the bosses. Fighting the small enemies are quite boring for me, they rarely attack. But fighting the bosses are really fun.
4:00 ? The chain attacks on ZZZ are literally the character's ultimate animations. If anything you are incentivized to constantly chain ultimates as much as possible to rack the highest damage during stun phases.
ZZZ with shared in combat resources feels like it's limiting itself by lots. I learned this lesson from GFL:NC (Shared resource on ultimate), where in that game some character would never use their ultimate at all. Because shared resources now mean that each character ultimate is now tiered, from garbage to BIS. What it produce is that, future units that are hardly unique and instead replace old unit due to powercreep.
You forgot that on top of the 5* selector at 80 pity Wuwa also gave straight up a 5* of your choice for free with not even a single pull required Just to rub some more salt in
Not only that, but wuwa has an 80 pity whilst the likes of genshin, and I think hsr has 90 pity, which altogether is 160 pulls(if you lost your 50/50) to get the limited character in wuwa and 190 pulls(if you lost your 50/50) to get the limited character in genshin and hsr(I think) and! Wuwa's weapon banner, both weapon banners, has no pity. Like dayum
13:58 is literally a WuWa moment. “Goated” On the other hand, a very well done video. I originally clicked just to read some spicy stuff in the comment section, but got hit by a well paced, good voice over and well written script. Fair ZZZ criticism : The combat being barebone despite constantly being marketed as combat oriented and the overuse of the horrendous TV system,together with the bad new player experience; While, still acknowledging its strong side : The amazing sound design (the parry sound effect is chef kiss) and the unique aesthetic.
You really pinpoint the problem i personally have with the combat system.. unlike wuwa which combat decision feel much more free and not tied with any system
if that happens, it means WuWa really changed the scenario in how hoyo should treat their players, but i'd rather not expect that, they are THAT stingy.
I love ZZZ!.... BUT we need like a combat mode to grid for items. Also I wish there was an idol system so when I log back in after some hours I come back to a little treat of items, like Nikke.
Wuwa feels more like genshin but better exploration and difficulty but it did have a lot of bugs early on and optimization issues which are still not fix for me at least. While zzz feels like instead of focusing on one member of your team its more like playing around the team.while I do like the combo that the bear and the red hair girl can create a new ultimate i do agree its basically stun parry them until they are stun then do the dmg when they are stun. Wuwa i dont really need to stun them to do dmg. The tv issue while i dont hate it i dont like it either. Its their way of navigating around the world so maybe they come up with something to improve it but ya judging from the beta testers dont think it will be. Wuwa for hardcore combat. Zzz just to chill out. Both has their own audience and play which one you enjoy more. Comparing between them ill say wuwa 8/10 for good combat but music is not great and zzz 7/10 for uniquesness but falls off on difficulty and the tv.
ZZZ got 3.7 on playstore because of lag, freeze, crash, and unloaded overworld (everything is black). Even some of people who have a highend device like rog phone and samsung s23 got the same issue.
Ever since ZZZ announced I never like its designs and environment so I won't be touching it to avoid hating it lol. It shouldn't be compared to WuWa though. From what I see on combat, I feel like I will be much having fun on Hi-Fi Rush but still I don't have time to play it, but I'd rather play it than ZZZ, to be honest lol.
I like Kuro ways of balnaced their Gacha, its easy to get a single copy of character so everyone and experiences every characcter the game have to offer but you need 8 copy to fully max out the character which entice the Whale to spend, which helps with their income. The only 2 similar game that I think have a somewhat better system are Snowbreak where youy can farm dups overtime and you only need 1 copy of the character (although taht game weapon banners are worst) and Action Taimanin where playable characters are bought with set amount of Gem (no gacha) and you only need to roll for weapon and support unit, but then again non of those 2 game cost 200mil to make.
wutering waves is better in everything except that zenless is good in animations and in interface and in advertising as well as in combat wutering is excellent while zenless is not very good and what I just mentioned is a fact I don't read crybabies
