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Zenwalk Linux (100% Slackware) 

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In this episode of the CyberGizmo - The Pursuit of Slack with Zenwalk Linux
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Комментарии : 33   
@slacker2101
@slacker2101 4 года назад
About 15 years ago I used to get my students to individually install Zenwalk on the lab systems in order to teach them they had to read and understand pop-up boxes before clicking on OK. We'd then use the systems to set up a network and samba to set up shares and manage a local server. Practical part of an operating systems module.
@Bitwise1024
@Bitwise1024 3 года назад
Never tried SLS. Slackware was my first foray into the unix-like world. Oh, that pile of floppies! I run Slackware proper, but have never tried Zenwalk. You've got me interested. I'll have to give it a spin.
@Doing_Time
@Doing_Time 3 года назад
I got the slackware 1 CD with a book about linux, back in the days when you had to make a custom boot floppy with mscdex to run such a thing I think, hmm...It actually had XFree, lol. Zenwalk provides a sturdy, trimmed down slackware xfce alternative to the klunky plasma (I don't like any DE but kde 3, and in a pinch lxqt). Zenwalk was most popular when single core 800x480 netbooks with 2gb ssd and 500mb ram were the rage...
@Adam01Time
@Adam01Time 3 года назад
python 2.7 been forked till some major progams catch up. Great video thanks
@JD-im4wu
@JD-im4wu 3 года назад
anyways, went ahead an deleted my ego driven comments that were fueled by caffeine overdose, truth be told Slackware was at one time my favorite distro and helped me grow, I can't talk down on them even if I switched to Debian now and find them more relevant today. Its still a great distro especially for the history of Linux.
@eznix
@eznix 4 года назад
Nice thing about LILO is no need for the bios-boot partition on a GPT disk in a legacy bios system, LILO fits entirely in the MBR and does not need extra space in the gap between the MBR and the first partition. Cool video. Thanks.
@hyperion7772
@hyperion7772 4 года назад
Zenwalk will use LILO if you choose MBR legacy boot. It you have EFI hardware : ELILO will be used.
@CyberGizmo
@CyberGizmo 4 года назад
Or you can go even further back in time and use the superblock, oh the days of having a machine crash only to find the write heads were on as they passed over the superblock and trashed your Unix build.
@svily0
@svily0 3 года назад
First software to remove on my computers is LILO, try to compile and install a kernel - lilo is baked in it and makes a huge mess if you are not careful. Grub is a much cleaner bootloader, just give it a kernel name and it will boot it.
@TheDrunkenAlcoholic
@TheDrunkenAlcoholic 4 года назад
I remember my first experience with Linux, I bought a computer magazine that had 12 floppy disks with slackware on it, it took me days and many reformattings of the HD before I finally got it installed and working, seeing the the install screens bought back to horrible memory of installation and LILO, I think my second experience with linux was also a disk on a computer magazine with Red hat linux version 3 or 4 if I remember correctly.
@CyberGizmo
@CyberGizmo 4 года назад
HI Drunken I wonder what the Zenwalk, when i first installed it and saw it was going to install LILO I went --- oh nooooooo. hahahah. Thanks for the comment and brought back old memories of trying to get these early Linux distros to work and the magazine Floppy Disks :)
@hyperion7772
@hyperion7772 4 года назад
@@CyberGizmo if you had installed it on an EFI VM : then ELILO would have been configured automatically (as the stock Slackware would). Note that, in Zenwalk : EFI partition (or the MBR pointer) are automatically updated when you upgrade kernel.
@serge5046
@serge5046 4 года назад
@@CyberGizmo You are not obliged to install LILO. You can say no at the end and it will drop you to a shell. In that shell you type mount to see where everything is mounted and then you chroot into the appropriate mount point. You install grub and you don't forget to execute grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
@CyberGizmo
@CyberGizmo 4 года назад
@@serge5046 Thank you, for the tip on grub. I was just happy to see LILO again, its been a long time and I liked also seeing the superblock option as well.
@Mythologos
@Mythologos 2 года назад
How did 12 floppies fit inside a magazine????
@encapsulatio
@encapsulatio 2 года назад
Can you do a Slackware or Zenwalk up to date video please? Maybe get into what you think about it compared to "modern linux" distros. From what I've seen most reviews on distrowatch hammer a lot that it's stabler than most stable releases from other main distros and also faster than them even though they use more antiquated approach to configuring things.
@daol03
@daol03 4 года назад
nice to see a slackware video, my only complain on this video however is that you did't show the package mananger the zenwalk: Netpkg package manager or App Outlet for flatpaks
@CyberGizmo
@CyberGizmo 4 года назад
Hi Daniel, probably should do a follow up at some point and go through the package managers
@leeh.1900
@leeh.1900 4 года назад
@@CyberGizmo A vid on package managers...now that's a great idea. People get passionate about that almost as much as browsers or search engines :)
@hyperion7772
@hyperion7772 4 года назад
indeed. DJ didn't know about Netpkg. Maybe I should add an icon to launch netpkg somewhere on the desktop :/
@serge5046
@serge5046 4 года назад
@@CyberGizmo Specially that it is on their web site: www.zenwalk.org/2020/06/netpkg-70-simpler-faster-tool-to-manage.html
@leeh.1900
@leeh.1900 4 года назад
"It is an old approach..." so is that approach better or are we currently pointed in the systemd direction that's probably necessary? And oh man...I was wanting to see that Lynix score :) If Lynix gives it a higher score out of the box due to systemd...is systemd a security vector? And it's too late now I guess. This looks like a cool distro...373MB...wow! And Zenmap installed by default? Now that's cool. And I like the XFCE desktop. One of my favorite distros is Linux Lite and that's what they use. I'm currently using LL as a small server here at my home. Runs fast on a 5 year old Lenovo desktop with 8GB of RAM. Slackware was the first real DE distro I looked at. My first look at Linux was Knoppix. I got it from a Computer mag. Then I found Slackware on the Inter-webs. I tried to follow along in it for about 3 days...never figured out how to get the ISO and get it running. That's when I googled and found Puppy Linux...which I used off and on for about a year or so. Super cool video DJ...thanks!
@CyberGizmo
@CyberGizmo 4 года назад
Amazing isn't it? I was going to run lynis maybe will try again to see if I can get it to work.
@pwood6446
@pwood6446 Год назад
@@CyberGizmo Maybe spell it correctly in link?
@JD-im4wu
@JD-im4wu 3 года назад
slackware was the distro i used back in the 90's. back then it was built for its time....fast foward 2020 got pretty dusty. i have a love and hate relationship with slackware mostly Love. I blame the redhats and ubuntu's that put hte nails in slackware coffin filling userland with non unixy ways, rumour has it that slackware still lives. its true last release was 14.02 in 2016 with a current stream still in works. all jokes aside slackware with all the junk of packages in its full install worked like a Ford Mustang. throw it at any system and it runs and you can feel its power too.
@northof-62
@northof-62 3 года назад
I miss Slackware, but have given up waiting for an update. Tried Porteus also a Slack variant, so maybe I'll have a go at Zenwalk too. Presently running NixOS, another non-mainstream LInux distribution. PS Slackware is old now. At least the 14.2 release with kernel 4.4.14 and KDE 4.14.3. It's Patrick's latest. Yes I see there are newer kernels available to anyone who wants to upgrade.
@encapsulatio
@encapsulatio 2 года назад
What are you currently running?
@northof-62
@northof-62 2 года назад
@@encapsulatio I have been on Solus KDE since 4.1 on my ThinkPad L460. I was going use it for distro-hopping, but I liked it (Solus) too much and it stayed. Independent, lean and gets updated regularly. I noticed that Patrick is working on a ver. 15 of Slackware and I'm probably going to give it a try. But I hope Solus will be maintained in the future. Are you a Slackware user?
@Skelterbane69
@Skelterbane69 Год назад
@@northof-62 I've heard solus has been lacking updates, recently and has been called dead. Is that true? And have you tried slackware 15 yet?
@northof-62
@northof-62 Год назад
@@Skelterbane69 Solus seems a bit dead to me too atm., sad to say. Though the downlod links for 4.3 at distrowatch still work and the repo still updates and works. But they don't say much about what's going on. So I'm hoping they'll get back on track, but as it's founder Ikey Doherty, has left for his new Serpent OS startup and has taken Budgie along I worry. And Joshua Strobl also left and is possibly going to Serpent as well. Beatrice (who?) has stated/tweeted they are restructuring and want to keep going. Website is still down. ... Yes I just installed Slackware-Current on my new laptop and it worked fine. They are now on kernel 6.1.8 so that's great. But I'm now back in Kubuntu because it is a pain to remove the tons & tons of unnecessary (for me) software and dev. tools that I never use. I may try and do this again - but now I need something simple that just works out of the box. So, as I like Plasma and Ubuntu has a lean install option, Kubuntu is my choice. No games, 1 browser, Gimp, Rawtherapee, Libreoffice 7.5 in my lang. (Cal, Writer & Base), Gwenviev, Rapid Photo Downloader, Bluefish and Okular. And BCompare file sync. Kernel atm. is 6.1.9 stable. Calc is Free42 and desktop calendar is Rainlendar. Vivaldi is my browser as I'm Norwegian, though it causes some kwin glitching I suspect. Cheers!
@lorisbari452
@lorisbari452 3 года назад
A mi parece que el lema de Slackware 'KISS' -Keep It Simple Stupid- debes remplazarse por KIS&S (keep it simple and stupid) porque es estúpido obligarte a "instalarte" en tu cabeza todos los comandos de UNIX y pensar para dirigir todo y como los 'demonios' hacen en Linux; ¿dónde está la inteligencia artificial entonces? Espero una versión de Zenwalk con slpkg de balde y activado el repositorio slonly, para poder instalar facilmente por consola los paquete que uno necesita, con todas la dependencias automáticamente. Con Clementine para poder visualizar todo el playlist (ah! se me olvidaba que en mi PC no logré que Pulseaudio reproduzca ningún archivo audio) y por lo menos mupdf instalado, para poder abrir archivos PDF. En fin, o logran instalar Microsoft Office en Linux o incluir las app (como Peppermint) para usarlo desde la nube con cuenta Hotmail; porque LibreOffice no abre correctamente archivos .pptx y .xlsx (no estoy de acuerdo en virtualizar Windows, pero si no queda otra :) En algo Slackware (Zenwalk 15.0) no le puede ganar a Debian (Mephis-antiX Linux 19.3) y son los 55.000 paquetes compilados (listos para ser instalados en un par de clics ; ) Mejor instalo MX Linux 19.3 "patito feo" AHS -Advanced Hardware Support- que hace todo solo, tiene un cubo verde para las actualicación y un icono para regular la luminosiad de la pantalla a la derecha del escritorio. Es Debian estable y liviano (unos 600 Mb de RAM conta unos 500 Mb de Zenwalk 15.0 "Santa Claus") Semi-Rolling y siempre con SysV. El mejor! Posdata: aconsejo instalar Vivaldi en MX Linux pues es mucho más rápido (con la misma engine de Chromium -aún para Windows-). Si bien Google va a obligar que todos utilicen Chrome, si quieren que funcionen las app :( Luego diría Linux Mint LMDE "Debby" (Debian puro, no Ubuntu) pero pesadito porque viene solo con Cinnamon, en fin Mint 19.3 "Tricia" XFCE (pero Ubuntu y ambos con SystemD). Para una PC con pocos recursos Peppermint, que está por salir en la versión 11 (ojalá Debian puro y ya no Ubuntu) LXDE, que consume menos recursos. Con ironía, para aquellos que tienen máquinas nuevas, pavían en Facebook y utilizan la PC casi solo como "Playstation", pueden meterle el estético "mega-virus-troyano" chino, Deepin Wuhan Tecnology Co., Ltd. :o)
@JD-im4wu
@JD-im4wu 3 года назад
...between the Slackware of the 90's and the Debian of the now's... these 2 can't compare slackware easily takes the crown (for its time). now when i use debian im like mehhh but can't complain too much. but slackware was something else. I guess now the "new" closest thing to slackware philosophy is the BSD's not even Linux to get something with less headache for 2020's. Unfortunately I never tried FreeBSD before in my life as much of the nice things I heard. I used slackwares own philiosophy of if it aint broke don't fix it and stuck to debian lol sorry Patrick Volkerding but that Apt-get and its abundance of packages and stability got me too lazy to distro hop.
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