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Zonal denial: the plants you try to grow in completely the wrong climate! 

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This week on The Horti-Culturalists we're talking zonal denial; the affliction that many gardeners suffer from whereby you try to grow plants that are COMPLETELY unsuited to your climate!! Stephen is in a cool climate area with mild frosts and occasional freezing winter minimums and yet still try's to grow tropical and subtropical plants! Sometimes with success and sometimes not. So in this video we'll look at eight plants that to varying degrees of success are beating the odds and the frosts to survive, if perhaps not always to thrive, in Stephen's garden! And just why we keep on trying to push the odds! The plants we look at in this video are:
Wigandia urens
Heteropterys glabra
Alloxylon flammeum
Acanthus polystachyus
Plectranthus ecklonii
Tecomanthe hillii
Thaumatophyllum bipinnatifidum
Agathis moorei
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@paulacothren3591
@paulacothren3591 Год назад
I love Stephen's philosophy: If I'm not spending more on something than I would on a half decent meal out, then it's worth a try.
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists Год назад
Good. Regards Stephen
@mathewhalpin
@mathewhalpin 10 месяцев назад
I live in the mountains of Crete, Greece where we get snow and horrid frost and my philodendron gets through with no problem! Thanks guys for another entertaining episode. I must say hearing Stevens voice takes me back to a happy place from my youth in Australia.
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists 10 месяцев назад
Thanks for the kind words and I love Crete and have very fond memories of my trip there. Regards Stephen
@Sarragota
@Sarragota 4 месяца назад
@mathewhalpin what species of Philodendron would that be?
@mathewhalpin
@mathewhalpin 4 месяца назад
@@Sarragota No idea sorry. Its planted under a tree and next to a wall which might be why all is fine.
@jcking6785
@jcking6785 Год назад
More information sprinkled with delicious humor! 💚
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists Год назад
Thanks for watching!
@KayentaRojo
@KayentaRojo 11 месяцев назад
I have been growing Argentine Saguaro cacti (Trichocereus terscheckii) in eastern Utah (USDA zone 7b) for about 15 years now. Our temps on rare occasions can get as low as 5°F, or -15°C. We rarely get snow, but can get a good skiff on occasion. I have 5 specimens, and all of them are well over 10 feet now, with multiple arms. You are NOT supposed to be able to grow columnar cactus anywhere north of extreme southern Utah. But yet, I have five large and healthy specimens with zero winter protection. They are now all at flowering age as well, and I’ve been blessed with flowers every single year for the passed 5 years. It really proves that plants can be a lot hardier than we give them credit for! I have also had great success growing the only native palm to the southwest US, Washingtonia filifera. My next columnar cacti experiment will be the U.S. native Saguaro (Carnegia gigantea) which grows naturally one state below me.
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists 11 месяцев назад
That's amazing!!!
@marisaphoenix1893
@marisaphoenix1893 Год назад
I’m in serious zonal denial, growing many subtropicals in Victoria, but I think it’s worth the risks if you go into it understanding that you may lose the odd plant by experimenting 😊
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists Год назад
I certainly agree, hence the video. Regards Stephen
@mawkernewek
@mawkernewek Год назад
I left my potted avocados out all winter long. I grew them out from stones I thought they were killed by frost last winter, but they actually sent up new shoots from the ground just a few weeks ago. I'm in Truro, Cornwall, UK, which I think is equivalent to USDA zone 8 or 9, theoretically. The zones I think are based on the coldest night of the year, but a slightly less intense cold over a longer period, along with waterlogging, can be what does for a lot of things. I did lose a couple of jacaranda seedlings last year, which were in an unheated greenhouse.
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists Год назад
Glad I’m talking to the converted! Regards Stephen
@mawkernewek
@mawkernewek Год назад
@@thehorti-culturalists wonder if I should sacrifice one of my Monstera deliciosa plants by attempting to grow it outside. I think it would be nice climbing up one of the conifers in my parents garden. Its hardy in zone 10, I'm probably in zone 9.
@LC-hf3rk
@LC-hf3rk Год назад
Hi I'm in Western Australia, Perth Hills and my zonal denial plants are; vanilla planifora, pineapples and peonies[herbacious and itoh]
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists Год назад
Well Done. Regards Stephen
@Salmagundiii
@Salmagundiii Год назад
Just curious - in downtown Perth, pineapples would be much less of a challenge, right?
@LC-hf3rk
@LC-hf3rk Год назад
@@Salmagundiii yeah, they get to a good size but generally take about 5 to 7 years from top to fruit
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists Год назад
@@Salmagundiii Yes - much less of a challenge!
@GardeningatDouentza
@GardeningatDouentza Год назад
You speak to my heart 😊
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists Год назад
Yes! Zonal Denial Anonymous Rachel!
@bloomy974
@bloomy974 9 месяцев назад
Thank you for sharing the philosophy of zone denial. Living in Reunion Island, on an altitude of 400 meters, I wish I bought a small extra land with an altitude above 1000meters (colder then) to grow long-admired peonies! I'm not rich so I try the method of ice near the tubers. Keep trying with dedication
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists 9 месяцев назад
You can do it! Keep up the good work. Regards Stephen
@williamfmatthews6059
@williamfmatthews6059 9 месяцев назад
Peonies do well here in zone 5a of SE Newfoundland..... Did not realize they were intolerant of warmer climes.
@Salmagundiii
@Salmagundiii Год назад
What a great video - as usual! I have a minor, very academic correction to note at 19:50 though. It's true that in subtropical, and most (but not all) maritime/oceanic climates, frost does 'settle on the ground'. It would certainly be true of anywhere in AU/NZ. That's because your coldest nights are invariably going to be during radiational freezes on still nights. OTOH in continental climates like the US, there can also be extremely cold advective freezes too. During those events the wind is blowing and all the air layers are constantly mixing. Practically any form of 'shelter' really doesn't matter, and also the top of a plant would be as likely to be burnt as the bottom. I saw this recently in north Florida, the freeze in December was advective in nature and even overstory protection of live oaks didn't prevent various subtropicals from freezing to death. 😞
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists Год назад
Guess I need to feel lucky about where I live as that is my norm. Regards Stephen
@Salmagundiii
@Salmagundiii Год назад
@@thehorti-culturalists Yep! Australia is lucky there is no upside-down Canada connecting it to Antarctica 😄
@williamfmatthews6059
@williamfmatthews6059 9 месяцев назад
We get frost like a layer of gauze/fog....... usually a northerly breezing dying under a clearing sky is the formula for frost in late Spring or early October. Hosing off frost before the sun strikes the plants will usually save the plant from frost hasard.... but there are other climatic situations that harm: short season, wetness persisting, high winds, starving rabbits/moose looking for an exotic meal........ Have had moose munch Horse Chestnut bark, the top of a new Japanese maple, voles/mice under snow girdling flowering crab. Butterfly bush is short-lived here... usually. Supermarket/true chestnut can be germinated to provide a handsome tree; self pollination was a surprise when it finally blossomed. English Oak grown from an acorn has reached 25 ft, and OH how wide the branches have spread especially during a predominantly wet growing season..... Zone 5a elevation 400 ft only NE wind is extreme due to sheltering hills in SE Nfld. Rhodos do very well here as does Laburnum.
@timv.885
@timv.885 Год назад
I planted a Southern Live Oak (Quercus virginiana) here in southern Illinois zone 6b, it has managed to survive 4 winters. I would not say it’s thriving, but it’s alive anyway, it’s grown to about 8’ tall, the side branches do get knocked back tho, I’m hoping that will improve with age. Never know until you try. Bald Cypress (Taxodium distichum) is another good example, it’s now widely planted much further north here in U.S.
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists Год назад
A man after my own heart. Regards Stephen
@carlacourtois5905
@carlacourtois5905 Год назад
USA Vermont is Zones 5a and 5b, Im living in Denial, I have resorted to getting 3ft and larger pots and bringing them inside, and as you can imagine it's a massive task.
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists Год назад
Keep up the good work. Regards Stephen
@gilbertdingle9915
@gilbertdingle9915 Год назад
Enjoying your videos, my zonal denial plants are, solandra maxima, lonicera hildebrandiana, plus dicksonia antartica, these plants are doing very well and growing nicely,all the above mentioned plants have developed woody trunks so I am hoping they will survive our winters here in cornwall which are usually wet but with very little frost.
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists Год назад
Sounds great! Regards Stephen
@glbg10709
@glbg10709 Год назад
Would love to grow tetrapanex here in coastal Victoria. Will keep trying to find one (no luck growing seeds unfortunately). Great topic guys! 😊
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists Год назад
I should have some by late summer. Regards Stephen
@svetlanasgardenhomeofredwa4342
@svetlanasgardenhomeofredwa4342 5 месяцев назад
Me too :) i would love to grow some of your lovely Eucalyptus here in oregon, which is also a type of Mediterranean climate, just a bit cooler than your place, Stephen. Zone 8b. Really love your channel, thank you!!
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists 5 месяцев назад
So nice of you! Regards Stephen
@psanjuro
@psanjuro Год назад
You guys are unique in combining plant fun with facts. Love it. Thanks also for making me feel less guilty about throwing out the Hypericum Fancy Pants (from Mt Fansipan) that I paid 75 Eur for and didn’t perform in my garden at all - too dry here I suppose, I should have known but was in denial…
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists Год назад
Thanks for watching - no guilt about the compost heap!
@rivera0822
@rivera0822 Год назад
I love you both so much!!!
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists Год назад
Thankyou from us both. Stephen
@sunenielsen2686
@sunenielsen2686 Год назад
Thank you for an interesting video about something that I like to experiment with. Eg I have a feijoa surviving winter after winter here in our garden in Denmark, but its siblings died long ago. I would love to try marcadamia some day, as I know mature specimens can be very cold hardy.
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists Год назад
Thanks for watching!
@mariazandwijken7735
@mariazandwijken7735 Год назад
I have an agathis morii in central Portugal for 3 years in a pot
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists Год назад
Well done. Regards Stephen
@slowzuki1
@slowzuki1 Год назад
Apropos zonal denial- I have an Agathis ovata in S. Tasmania (occasional -6C) which is quite happy in a sheltered position. More easily sunburnt than frosted, I find. I concur about the ancestry of these conifers. Have A. robusta close by that is bulletproof. Thanks for what you do.
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists Год назад
A pleasure. Regards Stephen
@darenbarclay9574
@darenbarclay9574 4 месяца назад
Hi guys! Really enjoying the horticulturist. I live in Burnham on Sea Somerset, recently moved in and found a tree in the garden with thick leathery leaves even when frozen. IPhone says it is a pterocarpus rotundifolius saamgesteld .do you have this tree ? I'm looking forward to the yellow flowers. I'm sure it's in zone denial ,many thanks Daren
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists 4 месяца назад
It isn't available here in Australia as far as I know so lucky you. Regards Stephen
@grandmothergoose
@grandmothergoose Год назад
I'm in Far West NSW, arid zone, according to all the information I'm not supposed to be able to grow a lot of things that are doing just fine in my yard. It frustrates me that Australia's limited gardening zonal maps list a huge area as merely "arid", completely missing the point that an arid zone is only about water and can be in any climate. Tropical arid is a whole different type of place to sub-tropical arid, which is a whole different story to temperate arid, or cold arid. Even Antarctica is an arid zone. Arid doesn't tell us anything other than how much rain to expect on average, and if you're in a town with a regular water supply like I am and willing to water the garden, utilise rain storage and grey water, separate annuals from perennials and let annual areas of the garden rest during drought, the arid part of the zoning becomes pointless, and I find myself in a zone that has it all - scorching temps in summer high chill hours in winter, with a bit of extra mulch, shelter and shade cloth, I haven't yet found anything that won't grow here. I can grow and eat both sugar plums and bananas. Zonal denial is a win for me.
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists Год назад
And a good thing too Regards Stephen
@kathybradley7818
@kathybradley7818 Год назад
Love it! I am a ZDer too! I am in Newcastle NSW. I grow subtropical fruit trees with no issue (for zonal reference) but keep trying to grow Himalayan Poppies. I can get them to germinate but that's all. Bahaha I keep trying in different locations and conditions. I know it's crazy unlikely but I sooo want to see those flowers 😂
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists Год назад
No harm in such an obsession. Regards Stephen
@user-wd6fr7vm4z
@user-wd6fr7vm4z Год назад
Love the concept of zonal denial which I hadn't heard of before. I'm sure I'm guilty! I keep trying to grow things that grew in my parents' garden in Hobart which either hate Canberra's cold winter (we get a lot colder here) or they hate our hot summer. For example, primroses and auriculas - fine in winter, but they do NOT like our summer. I've given up on auriculas but I'm persevering with primroses because they do at least survive summer and make a real show in spring.
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists Год назад
Keep up the good work. Regards Stephen
@mt2766
@mt2766 Год назад
Hi Gents, I love your videos. I live in Central Oahu. Why aren’t there a greater variety of plants available here that should grow well? The plant selection at both nurseries and big box stores seem extremely restrictive. It can’t be the temperate climate, so is it the soil? Perhaps a concern about overgrowth? For example, why can’t I buy hydrangeas or japonica or more varieties of rhododendrons? So tired of the “same ol’, same ol’”.
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists Год назад
I don't know your area personally but my guess is that like so many other parts of the world there isn't enough keen gardeners to encourage a wider selection in the nurseries and big box stores. it is better for them to stock only a few plants, why confuse their customers with choice! Regards Stephen
@williamfmatthews6059
@williamfmatthews6059 9 месяцев назад
Surprised at your comment. Hawaii has always seemed like a piece of paradise....... I did admire the orchids when I visited many years ago. I reside on an island which does not have all the flora and fauna of continental N. America.
@FrancienDanielsWebb
@FrancienDanielsWebb Год назад
I will be given a huge bulb ( elderly friend 97 past away 😢) once the home is sold. It will be the smaller bulb, one of 4 much bigger size of a dinner plate round, growing nicely under and with ferns, birds nest fern and Dicksonia Antartica It has very tall wide leaves and the lily ? flower grows about 185cms to 210cms+/ 6 to 7 feet in this tiny little garden facing south (front door and lounge window) absolutely NO western aspect just a brick wall perfect spot. Question is What is it called. I believe I may have seen it in the Alfred Nicholas Garden open to the public many years ago. It was if it is the same bulb at least 3 metres tall / 10 ft. I will call it Peggy if I can’t get the name of it but I am sure you can help me. I am binge watching you and I know that I have many past Fridays and future Fridays to enjoy. Thank you for inspiring me who is renting and has a handkerchief of a backyard on the Diamond Creek in Eltham Victoria Australia 🇦🇺 Congratulations on your awesome informative inspiring and beautiful show all we need is smellavision. 😂
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists Год назад
It could be a Cardiocrinum from your description but I’m not sure. Regards Stephen
@MartinA-fs7kc
@MartinA-fs7kc Год назад
Great video as always and thanks for answering my question recently about my deceased Dicksonia and the tree fern video was great too. I'm in Central Scotland and definitely a climate denier! I lost my Cordylines in the last harsh winter and even some smallish Trachycarpus palms. Had success with Fatsias including polycarpa and Schefflera taiwaniana I was delighted 3 out of 3 survived with almost no damage. Just starting out with gardening and learning all the time. Tetrapanax also survived with cover but still pretty small. I bought a Pseudopanax 'Moa's Toas' at Edinburgh Botanic Gardens but think it will be kept in the greenhouse over winter. Do you have experience with these Araliaceae family plants such as Schefflera?
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists Год назад
Funnily enough we have a video on Araliacaea coming up but unfortunately we don’t have access to the broader range available in Europe and the USA. Regards Stephen
@biekken849
@biekken849 Год назад
Very nice video ! I think most native australian plants can’t survive -15C in northwestern Europe unfortunately
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists Год назад
Thanks for watching!
@Ash_9
@Ash_9 Год назад
My question for the Monday shorts is as follows: can you/how would you grow camellias under the shade of eucalyptus trees? I’m in the San Francisco area in California zone 9b/10a
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists Год назад
You could grow them in large containers as one option or even make raised beds with a weed mat bottom to discourage roots. Well established Camellias can compete quite well with them as long as a bit of extra watering and feeding is done. Regards Stephen
@markcurtis7504
@markcurtis7504 Год назад
Hi Stephen…I have a tropical garden in Adelaide (McLaren Vale)….so I’m constantly fighting and flying the flag for zonal denial!! I have a question for you…have just undertaken a huge project of digging up 19 HUGE yuccas that were about to knock my fence down. I have now replaced with Gracilis bamboo….but due to the large amount of rain we’ve had in the last week they are now under water. The nursery I purchased from said to pack the rootball in large hole and backfill with mix of compost and soil that came out of hole….and pack in tightly! The soil has quite a large content of clay. I know bamboo LOVE water…but is it ok to pool at bottom of plant??
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists Год назад
I don’t think long term water at the roots is a good idea, but as the soil settles it may them drain sideways and not keep filling the hole. Regards Stephen
@grandmothergoose
@grandmothergoose 21 день назад
My front yard is currently undergoing a zonal denial, or maybe my plants have forgotten which hemisphere they are in. My supposed to be dormant capsicum plants are growing large healthy fruit, and I found a stray potato grew a sneaky plant that I found and pulled out for it being in the wrong season which brought with it a full load of large healthy ready to harvest potatoes. It's the middle of winter and my front garden is giving me summer crop veggies. Maybe it's not zonal denial so much as seasonal denial. Is seasonal denial a thing, or is it just my front yard? Nothing in my back yard is confused about the time of year, just the front yard.
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists 21 день назад
It is in your garden I would say! Regards Stephen
@user-np4uv3bk8i
@user-np4uv3bk8i 9 месяцев назад
Hi.I have only just found your channel while looking for information on Wigandias. I now have two after I let one of the suckers grow (I now try to get rid of the suckers) and live in Adelaide. Are you able to give some information on maintenance in particular pruning? There is no frost here and as my plant got huge and leggy, I have cut the spent flowers off but would like to know how much I can cut without risking death. I plan a two stage prune before winter if I am able to cut it back quite a lot. Thanks
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists 9 месяцев назад
You won't kill a Wigandia with pruning but remember it is and wants to be a small tree and will flower best if treated as such. Heavy pruning will lessen the show but create massive leaves. Regards Stephen
@ganeshhegde1979
@ganeshhegde1979 Год назад
Hello sir, Could you please tell me the magic potting mix that you always use
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists Год назад
I buy a commercial potting mix in a Ten metre load and don’t in fact know the full constituents. Regards Stephen
@xinwong8328
@xinwong8328 Год назад
I have a bunch of giant alocasias growing outside in Melbourne. Supposedly killed by temps below 8-10 deg C but hey ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@thehorti-culturalists
@thehorti-culturalists Год назад
Fantastic!!
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