Zoning System Fail 

Unfortunately, the customer is the loser here. Fixing it after it is installed is far more expensive and sometimes impossible to do. Every time I see a job like that I just want to run and see it no more. I know the customer may never be satisfied. Hope you can do them well. Looking forward to follow up videos. GFM

Great information here! I am always amazed at the shotty workmanship and simply ingnorant installation methods ESPECIALLY with zoning. I have been involved troubleshooting zone control systems since 2004 and this is more common than you would think. Thank you for showing the mistakes on this system because the more information like this that gets shown hopefully the less terrible installs there will be (wishful thinking).

Very interesting your video .. Im a house owner and I don't know anything about air condition but sometimes you try to save money and get people that is not qualified to do the job and this is the result ... pitiful

Lol…. If you can’t get them to come back & repair…. there’s a reason! They know they butchered your system and they aren’t really good at what they’re doing! CHEAPER ISN’T ALWAYS BETTER!!!! I got tired of people haggling my prices & let them find out the hard way!!! U want cheaper low quality work…. have fun! That supply non plenum was an absolute joke! Smh!

LOL I want to say welcome to my world... people call me to come fix this kind of stuff at least one or two almost every week... some I have seen even worse than that one. I have a video listed as "Lennox to Trane with zones" that system was less than 2 years old when I ripped it out and replaced it. What a shame for the people in their new place they purchased as a retirement home. So if you get to fix this one at all Brad, we would love to see it after it is improved !!

Great vid ... This really helps the younger guy's coming up ...

I have the same system and i have a bonus room upstairs. Its been working fine but now when i try to turn the air on up there it wont cut on. Downstairs works fine but nothing in the bonus room. Ive tried cutting the downstairs one off completely and kinds of other things. From experience any idea of what it could be? The zone 1 shows red and the zone 2 shows green on the panel if that helps

Wow the stuff we see and the clients who have to pay. I see these types of jobs daily and it frustrates me and makes me think that our industry lacks a lot good trained techs.

You get a Duct Board box! YOU get a Duct Board box!! EVERYONE gets a Duct Board box!!!!!

Excellent informative video!!! Look forward to hopefully seeing some of the remedies!

They left there duct knife & side cutters @ home that day ..they cut & do not stretch flex lol

I saw one just like that in NC earlier this month, guy said yeah his buddy installed it for him, it is 3 years old already an issue!!!!

cheapest bid wins again!

Wonderful explanation , is bypass damper required for 2 stage variable speed furnace and AC ?

That guy must pay his installers by the foot. Thats why they dont stretch the flex. Cut the bag, let it grow a second, cinch it down and on to the next one.

Wow! That’s down right fugly! Hate that the customer got the shaft from some hack chuck in a truck.

Just moved into a house built kind of recently and I have 2 damper zones off of the main plenum, controlled by an HZ311 Honeywell Zone board, but noticed there is no DATS sensor hooked up to it. It’s a gas 1H/1 Cool system. Is it bad that the sensor is not installed?

Wow. I’ve seen a lot of bad zoning Jobs here in NC But that is God awful! I tell people all the time, The second you start to feel like the original company he’s doing damage control or being dishonest, get a second opinion immediately from an established company with good reviews.

I think I could fix that zone by increasing the size of flex to the upstairs bonus room and bring it and the damper all way back to header end of the air handler plenum. When the upstairs call the damper opens and creates enough pressure drop to the downstairs that it would meet set point without over cooling too bad. No bypass needed

Hey!! I live here in Lexington SC. Have a Honeywell hz311 with zone 1,2,3. Zone 1 is down stairs and zone 2 is upstairs. Upstairs works great with nice cool air. Downstairs is getting no air. The system is just pumping all the cold air into the attic!! What to do?

The branch should run off the flex and flex back to flex then add more flex to make it more flexible

Thanks for the video. Madness indeed. Was a permit pulled for this job? If so, did it pass any inspection?

kind of looks like the best option is add a mini-split in the bonus room, get rid of existing ducts to it and leave the rest of the house alone. that is if the rest of the house is working right as is..

I run into the same crap on a daily in ATL!

Spaghetti city with the flex. Unfortunately this scenario is out there

What a flippin' cluster! This is why our industry get's a bad name, it's makes me furious!

Wow man thats horrible

Like you said thats a garbage job horrible strapping, horrible builder for letting it look like that in rough stage too at the end i bet the duct install was a easy overpriced money making day

Also, no TXV, a must have with zoning!

Should just make it a slave zone IF they are not going to be using that bonus room alot. Cheapest way If not then like you said bypass and damper. And strap up all the ducts 😐

It’s gotta be Long heating and Air

16" is way to small for that return. That's a rat's nest of flex. I would've wanted to start from scratch.

lowest bidder i am assuming?

See this all the time, u get what u pay for, get the cheapest price ,get the crappiest job. Sometimes the homeowner is part of the problem.

And sometimes the home builder shops for the cheapest price, and the poor home purchaser holds the bag, in this instance the builder should be responsible for hiring unqualified company's.

What type of flashlight is that

I don't think that is as bad as your making it out to be lol. Picked out a lot of stuff that doesn't make a difference. What was the complaint even?

Blow Joe from the apartment maintenance complex crew who learned hvac from prison did this horrible job.

Did they hire a couple guys waiting outside home depot?

🤦🏻‍♂️ WTF! I feel bad for the homeowner...

That is really bad job, for new system. 1) return with no bypass. Poor duct design..

I might add , good metal trunks, sized at proper static , would be a start, it pi__es me off to see unqualified tecs doing jobs like this, it should be jail time for this.

Hows the job market in SC??

Wow

Start with that damn unit haha

Holy smokes

Rip all that flex out and install hard pipe. I hate flex duct

This is exactly whats going on at work unfortunately their is 30+ homes design like this (Its the usual bonus room upstairs houses that all builders are doing) Long story short all that house needed was A extra 16/18” damper plus a bypass damper that way all all the dampers are coming out the plenum supply closing all the down stairs trunks to push the flow towards the upstairs damper and you know the rest

Shameful. More of the same half assery.

Stop worrying about the flex and worry about the BAdMan I mean Goodman

I don't see what the big deal is here, probably just low on charge!

Typical goodman installer. Fly by night contractors, etc..

anti-zoning lol..... hackety hack hack....

fyi every thing u point out have nothing to do with the heat or cool not working right the only thing u need to do just get the zone dampers to work right that will be it what’s the return box will do if the have 16 inch flex going right to the back of the unit what deferent that box going to make also if they use the 24 volt of the air handler transformer or separate transformer longer or shorter flex u really need to work on ur technical skill before u go around post videos with false information also do u know why thy don’t have a bypass u actually don’t need a bypass in the variable speed air handler because you will always have a sensor it would read the static pressure just friendly advice do some more homework

This duct work is trash

Lmfao. poor quality 💩

A very sloppy job to say something.