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An ebay ZX Spectrum Plus bought for ‪@YawningAngelRetro‬ But is it a pup or a pearl?
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@albert_vds
@albert_vds 3 месяца назад
Not recapping all of the caps is like only replacing 1 bulb in your car's headlights when only 1 fails. Sure you safe money on not replacing the working one, but it will most likely break not long after. Which just ends in double the work.
@Breakfast_of_Champions
@Breakfast_of_Champions Год назад
The British Empire ran on these mighty machines!
@MoreFunMakingIt
@MoreFunMakingIt Год назад
They certainly shook my world!
@kyorin6526
@kyorin6526 Год назад
Very relaxing viewing on a Sunday afternoon. Thanks.
@MoreFunMakingIt
@MoreFunMakingIt Год назад
Thats lovely! Hope the rest of your day was great :D
@TheTurnipKing
@TheTurnipKing 6 месяцев назад
3:35 Once upon a time it was foam, and I think its actually for the membrane leads
@RetroKrazy
@RetroKrazy Год назад
Nice to get a good, solid Pearl every once in a while 😀 Nive repair and jealous of the IIe !
@tailzer42
@tailzer42 Год назад
Entertaining as always, was giggling waiting for you to react to the monitor. Was thinking M1 myself but then others confirmed same in comments. With you on choice of speccy, Rubber everyday as it was my first too with a 16k. Have a + that is my stunt speccy and gets used and abused with peripheral testing and repair.
@MoreFunMakingIt
@MoreFunMakingIt Год назад
"Stunt Speccy"! 🤣 Thank you Tailzer!
@bonemar66
@bonemar66 Год назад
Pup signifying something bad must be a uniquely British perspective.
@MoreFunMakingIt
@MoreFunMakingIt Год назад
I've had a few comments about this! Must be a local colloquialism
@jasmijndekkers
@jasmijndekkers 8 месяцев назад
Great job you did. I love your content as well. Greetings from Steven from the Netherlands
@MoreFunMakingIt
@MoreFunMakingIt 8 месяцев назад
Hello Steven! Thank you for the kind words 😁
@leesmithsworkshop
@leesmithsworkshop Год назад
Another Classic MFMIW adventure. 🥰
@MoreFunMakingIt
@MoreFunMakingIt Год назад
😍
@richardpowell8198
@richardpowell8198 Год назад
When an old speccy has`nt had power for a few years it does take time on the first power up to do anything putting juice back in the old caps..... great video again you make them very entertaining. Keep them coming.
@MoreFunMakingIt
@MoreFunMakingIt Год назад
Thank you Richard! I've been told this is called "reforming" when a cap has been without charge for long periods. Always learning!
@EgoShredder
@EgoShredder Год назад
I had both the rubber and plastic variants, due to having a few go faulty under guarantee. So I began with a Series 2 rubber model in July 1983 and gradually with each repair under guarantee ended up with the plastic key model in the summer of 1985. However I already had a third party keyboard ready to fit when I got the + model, so I only tried it once and then fit my new one. That being said my preference was for the rubber model out of the original factory choices. The third party one I saw in an advert in CRASH! magazine, but I have no idea what brand or model as the case was plain with no logo, but it looked very similar to the d'k troniks one but definitely not that one. Absolute joy to type or game with.
@MoreFunMakingIt
@MoreFunMakingIt Год назад
The rubber keys are just so much nicer under your fingertips. The plus keyboard is hard and sharp. Unfriendly.
@BartSliggers
@BartSliggers Год назад
This was my first computer, at age 11. Until it broke, and the repair center put a zx80 ROM into it 😢
@MoreFunMakingIt
@MoreFunMakingIt Год назад
Wow! That doesnt sound like the best repair center!
@tailzer42
@tailzer42 Год назад
@@MoreFunMakingIt no because apart from being wrong, its a different size! Thats an impressive repair/bodge they did.
@BartSliggers
@BartSliggers 11 месяцев назад
@@tailzer42 After the repair my spectrum+ most notably had the keyboard mapping of a ZX80.
@EgoShredder
@EgoShredder Год назад
Pup Pearl sounds a bit like 🟪... 🤔😁
@jaycee1980
@jaycee1980 Год назад
Seen this before myself. What probably happened here was the capacitor that's part of the reset circut took a while to "reform", and held the machine in reset while it was doing so. I had one speccy that initially drew 1A (what I'd current limited the supply to) and in the time it took me to go "oh shit it shouldnt do that", and go for the power switch, it settled down and worked normally !
@jaycee1980
@jaycee1980 Год назад
As for the Dandanator not working, my suspicion would be a Z80 with a faulty M1 line. I think those tended to be the NEC chips.
@MoreFunMakingIt
@MoreFunMakingIt Год назад
Spot on as always Peter. I suspected the M1 line and have asked Keith if he wants me to change the CPU.
@primokarmasilver
@primokarmasilver Год назад
I don't understand how most devices with fold out legs goes missing?? It's like the owners rips them off because "They're too perfect"
@MoreFunMakingIt
@MoreFunMakingIt Год назад
Its a Primo Mystery that needs solving!
@tejp5101
@tejp5101 Год назад
You mentioned checking for resistance on the voltage rails - is that on the regulator? Still new to all of this. I had a rubber key then a plus. I think I preferred the original. That + keyboard was horrible in a new and unusual way compared to the original. Unfortunately PlayZX isn't available one the Play Store for my device so I've looked at ZX Tape Player. Looks OK.
@MoreFunMakingIt
@MoreFunMakingIt Год назад
The plus keyboard looked more like a proper keyboard, but those sharp square keys are nasty. I check for resistance on the regulator to ground first. Then to all the voltage rails going to the lower ram IC's, and then over the coil. After that diode test the transistors at TR4 and TR5 and if all that isnt dead short I will turn it on and test voltages.
@StephenBlower
@StephenBlower 6 месяцев назад
I believe the black boarder and black and white striped paper is the CPU M1 line failing? This is used by quite a few expansion cards, divMMC also requiring the M1 line not being faulty.
@ghost-retro3733
@ghost-retro3733 Год назад
Good video as always, although are you 100% sure that there is a fault on your Dandanator, the reason I say is sometimes when such devices do not work it is due to a failed M1 line on the z80.
@MoreFunMakingIt
@MoreFunMakingIt Год назад
I will be testing this tomorrow. I think you are right though. I was a bit hasty blaming the Dandanator
@ghost-retro3733
@ghost-retro3733 Год назад
@@MoreFunMakingIt I could be wrong, but its something I have come across in the past.
@britlion
@britlion Год назад
I rarely see it done, but why don't most restorations include a modern power convertor that isn't a heat dump, as well as up to date capacitors/transistors and a composite mod?
@MoreFunMakingIt
@MoreFunMakingIt Год назад
With some old machines replacing the linear regulator with a modern efficient switching version can introduce noise on the video signal. Also, some people like to keep things original.
@britlion
@britlion Год назад
@@MoreFunMakingIt I thought smoothing the power to reasonable ripple was a fairly solved problem. Perhaps the expense of lots of smoothing circuitry isn't worth it. And yes, the original didn't ripple like that, as inefficiently as it runs. Then again that heat is the biggest cause of long term problems too. See that keyboard ribbon in this vid. I think if you are going to composite mod, it's not really original. I'd be interested to see how bad a switching ps was, and if there are ones that still work well and maybe preserve the speccy better long term owing to less heat. Maybe an idea for a vid.
@CallousCoder
@CallousCoder Год назад
Would it be a problem to have a slightly discolored delete key? If not then you can easily buy some silicone make a simple two part mold and cast it in polyurethane (which is nice and affordable and can get you a 100 or so keys from a single lite). I’ve done this in my recent NOVAG micro chess computer fix that missed a bishop. I just cloned a bishop this way.
@MoreFunMakingIt
@MoreFunMakingIt Год назад
Thats definitely a method I want to try at some point. But on this one I dont need to. Have been gifted another broken Plus with a delete key.
@CallousCoder
@CallousCoder Год назад
@@MoreFunMakingIt awesome! It you ever want to experiment with casting plastic parts and you need some help, then I’m more than happy to help.
@MoreFunMakingIt
@MoreFunMakingIt Год назад
Thank you!
@LifeSizeTeddyBear
@LifeSizeTeddyBear Год назад
Did you work out what was the cause of that very slow reset in the early stages of working on this machine? Was that a problem with the reset circuitry? My first guess would be C27 between the Z80 reset pin and ground, but then it failed to reset properly after the re-cap when you had the Dandanator plugged in, so was that just due to the dodgy Dandanator and it would reset normally without it attached (and hence the reason for the big "wrong" text at 13:35)? I suppose that must be the case given that you show it loading software just fine -- we just missed out on seeing the resolution of the slow reset behaviour.
@MoreFunMakingIt
@MoreFunMakingIt Год назад
Looks like the reset cap at C27 was just a bit tired and needed a run up to get going. The other problem seems most likely to be a bad M1 line on the CPU. Will sort that out if Keith wants that fixed before I send it back.
@Xoferif
@Xoferif Год назад
For those of us a bit slow on the uptake, why is it called a "pup"?
@MoreFunMakingIt
@MoreFunMakingIt Год назад
Its a slang term, similar to cur or dog. I might not use it again 😂
@R2AUK
@R2AUK Год назад
Thanks for the video. Could you please direct a non-native speaker to the source of "pup or pearl" phrase? Is it the authors invention, something from a TV show, or... ?
@MoreFunMakingIt
@MoreFunMakingIt Год назад
A pup is a local colloquialism similar to lemon. It's kind of an extension of the negative use of the word dog. As in "dog day" or "dog eared"
@MissDLR
@MissDLR Год назад
Hi is there another discord link somewhere? As wen i try to join via the one listed under the video it says its expired.
@MoreFunMakingIt
@MoreFunMakingIt Год назад
Hi. It looks like discord changed some rules and I've got to jump through a few hoops to make invite links permanent. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Here's a link just for you! discord.gg/ZnDxj2ZQeT
@MissDLR
@MissDLR Год назад
@@MoreFunMakingIt thanks ive now joined :)
@Cozzer79
@Cozzer79 Год назад
I almost bought that one lol 🤣
@MoreFunMakingIt
@MoreFunMakingIt Год назад
Hope you found a decent one instead!
@Cozzer79
@Cozzer79 Год назад
@@MoreFunMakingIt I got a rubber key case and keyboard which I'm going to get a harlequin kit and build into it or similar :)
@Zhixalom
@Zhixalom Год назад
I am sorry, but these "pup or pearl" analogies... they are simply just not working for me at all. Growing up with dogs since an early age, I would much rather have a fun little puppy, than some biproduct of a yucky old oysters anti-irritant defense-mechanism. 🤣 If someone were to walk up and just randomly gift me a pearl, it would be far more likely that I would sell it to buy a puppy (or another Speccy), than actually keep the pearl. - I even have a tendency to get slightly annoyed when antivirus software pops up to inform me that it has found a PUP (Potentially Unwanted Program) and has put it into quarantine. 😂 BTW... my first Speccy was a rubber-keyed one, or a "Spectrum Minus" as it for some reason ended up getting nicknamed around here. But the PSU went nuclear on it after a few years and literally blew up the voltage regulator. I'm not kidding, it actually made a huge POP! sound, a splinter shot out the expansion port, ricocheted off the screen of my little red Sanyo B/W TV-set and zoomed straight past my right eye. So yeah, that was a whole lot of absolutely NOT at all fun, on so many levels. But my dad was kind enough to bring me back a brand new Speccy+ from one of his business trips to England (Yeah, I'm one of those bloody savage Danish vikings, see). I didn't keep that British suicide assassin of a dead flesh Speccy. I do however still have my original 48K+... and have acquired, repaired, and rebuild a 48K Rubber-Speccy from a "spare-parts" board off evil-Bay, and a fresh case and parts from ZX-Renew. I've also since added a similarly rescued Toastrack, the Ukrainian made ITX formfactor "ZX Evolution 2011", and of course the "ZX Spectrum Next" from the first Kickstarter batch... to my collection... (got the ZX Evo while "patiently" waiting for the Next). - Yeah, those are my little puppies 🙃😆
@MoreFunMakingIt
@MoreFunMakingIt Год назад
I might not use the pup term again. It has caused a lot of confusion 😂 Love "Spectrum Minus"!
@takissarris5789
@takissarris5789 Год назад
I have a delete key you can have for free.
@MoreFunMakingIt
@MoreFunMakingIt Год назад
Hey! Thank you for the very kind offer. I have already got one on the way from the lovely Gouldfish on Games channel. :D
@josephneale10215
@josephneale10215 Год назад
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