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So essentially he learned, through many generations of practicing silence, that what we sought to accomplish through this means was merely another trick of the mind and ego attempting to satiate some desire, and the real goal is to cease seeking and only then can we truly understand what we have been attempting to reach all this time. liberation
I'm going through this and trying to survive but I'm feeling as if om going to have a nervous breakdown yet wanting to stay so strong, staying humble but I'm stuck and don't know how to just live simple,I'm also homeless, suffering from so much trauma and there are so many who have no clue. I feel no support from my parents or this Christian family .. I'm treated different by my parents that is hurting me so bad ..I'm tired ..
It would be useful, beside being correct, to quote from what dialogue this is taken: place, date, etc. so one can have a reference for further in-depth study.
Hi, could you please specify which conversation is this from " J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Brockwood Park 1975 - 1-12 " which number is it, thank you!!
Krishnamurti just went round in a pointless philosophical circle, while saying “don’t go round in a philosophical circle”. That’s not wise. It’s just circular. He was pointlessly enigmatic and long winded, like a patronising uncle that makes you slow down and listen even if you already get what they’re saying. These kind of philosophers don’t lead anywhere. We have to actually ’do’ something with our lives to prevent suffering, especially if we’re to protect the more vulnerable. If K had said “this can’t be conceived” so get on with helping each other, he might’ve made sense. Instead he said “this can’t be conceived, so listen to my concepts”. That doesn’t make sense…
So let's see. you want to do something to stop "Rape " And throughout the centuries you are trying and still there is rape victims Do you understand dear how powerfully thought tries to remain in power by becoming "you"
I have to be very careful on what I say, for what I say declares I am not saying anything. However, it’s either experienced or it isn’t. Simple as that.
Evil has been rampant during this epoch of Kali Yuga. Now that we are fully approaching the Golden Age in Aquarius, we will be able to see the True Love that has always been there in our hearts. The veil is being torned. Krishnamurti is definitely part of it. He volunteered to come to planet Earth for our benefit in helping us transition into our new Golden Age. If you feel a tug in your heart for balance and Love, consider yourself a chosen one. If, however, you still cannot see the truth that is around you, you will be left behind and will not take part with the Earth's ascension into the next dimension of exploration.
I think what j krishnamurti is talking goes beyond a relationship with god. Because a relationship with God implies duality. I have the feeling that what j krishnamurti is talking about is non duality. That would mean that the ego is no more. I don't quite understand it , because we need duality to function. This thing as opposed to that thing, etcetera.
No, what he is talking is true union with God, how could you miss it? Right living is living in God , duality implies a division between you and the divine , when you live a coherent orderly life then you and the immeasurable are one and the same.
In other conversation K pointed out that when a man dies with a variety of images of themselves (fictitious self- egoic mind) the ego finds another body and continues with the same pattern, which explains present questioning of darkness. Sometimes he refers to as "there's nothing new under the sun" or "the same babylonian monkeys." Seems like we're already born with certain tendencies which need to be eradicated in this incarnation, which is the bases of K's lifetime work "To set a man unconditionally free" and great collaboration with David Bohm.
David Bohm pointed out in a different conversation, of two dogs fighting fiercely and after licking their wounds they walk by each other as if nothing happens, but it's not so with us. This goes beyond animal instincts when that center gets hurt and what it can do as a result. Compare to animals we're indeed great sufferers. That's how we should greet each other Hello my great sufferer.
This talk from K and Dr Bohm is I m sure made for everyone to learn and understand. However, if one is caught in ego or one s own knowledge, it s only natural to ignore the message in order for the ego to protect itself. On the other side of the coin, one who suffered through life and are passionate and curious about the cause of all suffering without any motive, this talk is liberating. Suffering and the EGO are the same. No suffering, means no more ego! This and many of K s talks uncovered truth in life for ME! Thank you! 🙏
@@sivaganesan8568 hello friend. As K explains in many of his talks, it’s not how to get rid of the ego, however; it s the understanding the ego. One must as K puts it, die to everything known psychologically. Religion, beliefs, desires, hopes, ambitions etc. all this is the content of consciousness which sustains the ego, the me, the center. We are conditioned to this based on our upbringing. It s not our parents fault, because they too are conditioned. However, it s up to ONE to question all this and wish to explore to understand for oneself. Finally, thought is TIME. Time means division; the past, present and future. Chronological time is needed in the material world but not psychology. It is the wanting to become instead of staying with and truly understanding what is, is what causes all the chaos, and suffering. All all things, gain understanding. I hope this helps.🙏
I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you men had known me, you would have known my Father also; from this moment on you know him and have seen him. Phillip said to him: Lord show us the Father, and it is enough for us. Jesus said to him: Have I been with you men so long a time, and yet, Phillip, you have not come to know me? He that has seen me has seen the father also. As brilliant a man as Krishnamurti is, can he really lead anyone to the Father? You must see him with eyes of faith and through the channel he has chosen. If you would like to know more contact one of Jehovahs Witnesses or ask one the next time they knock at your door
The part of our mind is constantly evaluating our experiences, comparing them with other experiences or holding them up against expectations and standards that we often create out of fear. Fear that I am not good enough, that bad things will happen, that good things won't last, that other people might hurt me, that I won't get my way, that I only know nothing, that I am the only one who doesn't know nothing. Do we see through tinted glasses of whether something is good for me or bad for me, or whether or not it not it conforms to my beliefs or philosophy? Be it religious divisions, what creates those divisions? If it is good I like it. If it is bad I don't like it. If it is neither, I have no feelings about it one way or the other, and may hardly notice it all. Who created Philosophy, sciences, world histories, poetry, literature, and creative arts, languages mixing for centuries, who holds powers in beauocracies, governments changing, laws changing, boundaries changing? I am a communist, or one chooses democracy. Has there ever been a democracy? Do I identify with which one? A new education with learning in a different direction of the wholeness for humanity. 🙏❤️🌎🌿🕊🎵🎶🎵
@Rohit-oz1or There is nothing in knowledge that can transform man. Krishnamurti San Diego 1974- conversation 1and2- knowledge and the transformation of man. Only the bible has the ability to transform. If the bible doesn't transform you, nothing will. Why? Because it contains the way to live forever which nothing else offers. If we don't want to live forever, then think of dying today. Do you want to? "You don't want to leave me also, do you?" Lord whom shall we go to? Only you have the sayings of everlasting life. John 6:66-68. Matthew 16:13-20 If anyone wants to live forever, only God, through his word in the bible, can instruct them on how it is possible. If your parents love you, how much more so God, by whom every family gets their name. Ephesians 14,15
@Rohit-oz1or I do not think you are alone in your statement. That is why Jesus came with the power of God. Mere words like you said would not be enough to convince people. So he healed and even raised the dead. They still killed him. I do not know what, other than the power he will be coming back with to overthrow all opposers of God's kingdom, would work. I imagine the only authority we listen to is the government, army, or police.
You are not 100% correct. People’s love and affection is spontaneous. Let them express it. You cannot control or limit it. That’s natural. Thought you try, you can’t compare that of MR.
This is very frustrating. Krishnamurti should be able to express himself more clearly. 36:00 What? The center must explode? The tremendous shock after a million years, "you can not have a relationship with truth." That's pretty self-evident. I wasted over an hour with this video. It would be mind shattering if anyone could actually know the Truth.
"you can not have a relationship with truth. That's pretty self-evident" - Why is it self evident? Forgive me, but it seems you have not understood. JK is saying its not possible for you to have a relationship with truth no matter what you do. You have to understand the reason why. First understand what the psychological "you" is. Once you understand what that is, you'll understand why there cant be no relationship between you and truth.
