had an idea for a light rail line from Roundhay to Shipley. It would run on roads in the Leeds city centre, along Bridggate from Roundhay, then would go through the undercroft of Leeds station (inspired by Manchester Piccadilly), then would use an abandoned viaduct through Holbeck than convert the existing line to Bradford and add more stations and then in Bradford it would then connect the two Bradford stations and convert that spur to Shipley station (which would become an interchange).
Whilst I can't really speak on the efficacy of their planning. They have being doing some interesting stuff with redesigning the bus network in Dublin recently, which might help transit overall. Thanks for the comment!
Visiting there or not, knowing that there is a major city without proper transport system for its size is always painful. I hope the people in Leeds will get a better system.
Everyone knows that buses are important, however, an improved rail system is urgently required. This includes the expansion of the electrified Wharfedale and the heavy rail metro and the promised light rail system, to match London, e.g., the Docklands Light Railway.
The streets in Leeds and Bradford are too narrow for a tram, so will the Combined Authority proceed with an automated metro to match London, i.e., the DLR? Well well see.
Well, I don't know if you've seen the video from @AdventureMe but Leeds Corporation seemed to think the idea was solid. If not you might want to check out his video on it: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8UlSDa2Fft0.html
Visited family in W Yorks recently and noted a lot of cycle infastructure as I passed on the bus. To be honest, it looks a mess. Where I live we have shared pedestrian and cycle routes that work fine, yet in Leeds they seem to need to separate these through the city, and no one is using either. The bus I take doesn't use the guided bus lanes either, so not sure about those either. If you're having a dedicated bus lane, why go the expense of make it guided? (OK that's money spent some 25 plus yrs ago, but still!) x
In terms of the design of cycling infrastructure in the United Kingdom, standards don't really stack up to anything remotely comprehensive like in somewhere like the Netherlands. The level and quality of routes usually depends on how much a council is invested in the scheme, i.e. schemes in towns with decent levels of cycling before construction are usually better as their more pressure to get it right. On bus guideways, it more or less comes down to if its in operation on said day and if the bus is actually equipped to run on the guideway. Ideally a majority of the bus fleet should be equipped to be compatible but usually most aren't fitted due to cost. The main reason behind guided busways tends to be that cars cannot access them and bus lanes often have cars clogging them up due to enforcement issues whilst guideways don't have that issue. Of course bus lanes would be easier if we could ensure that cars wouldn't end up in them... There are plenty of pictures online of cars getting stuck in the guideway's car traps if your interested. Anyways, Thanks for Comment.
There seems to be a lot of private companies that live off the public purse these days. I never understand why Governments seem to think its cheaper for a private company to do something and make a profit than doing it themselves at cost. Thanks for the film. X
Leeds Night bus service is abysmal. Just 1 Night bus that being the N1 which serves the City Center and Otley Road. They should initiate a bus Service for every major roads and direction Kirkstall,Dewsbury,York Road,Stanningley,Hunslet etc
I agree, for a city like Leeds with a nightlife economy, I don't really understand why First or Arriva doesn't try to capture the market with more night-time services other than the N1.
Alringham to Piccadilly (and onward to Hazel Grove) and Bury to Victoria weren't freight lines they were useful and often busy EMU commuter lines, in the case of the Bury line in dire need of upgrading. The Metrolink conversion scheme just happened to offer a convenient way to raise the funds needed to bring both up to light rail standard.
First bus had to draught in diesel buses from leeds and bradford today because yorks all electric buses failed due to a power cut in york last night.😂😂😂😂😂
Unfortunately LCC and metro haven't got a clue, I agree start small and build upon it in the future, after all something is better than nothing. The council had enough money to build a small trolleybus system from stourton park and ride to the city centre via Leeds dock but unfortunately they wanted the full shabam and lost out
Metros and trams are suited for shorter journeys in urban areas. I don't think they're ideal for inter-urban or regional routes. That's better served by regular trains.
My granddad is from Leeds and we now live in Melbourne. Trams are definitely the way. The state of Leeds is shameful and my family will not be returning.
How has the delay in West Yorkshire getting a mass transit deprived the region of government funds over the last 30 years compared with other regions, e.g., Greater Manchester?
This is an excellent proposal for a tram train network to match the Cardiff tram train system. However, the Combined Authority needs to appoint the consultants to deliver the tram trains equivalent to the Stadler Class 398 tram trains currently being delivered to Transport for Wales, i.e., Cardiff Region.
Have the engineers yet been appointed to implement the tram train system? There is no published evidence that the engineers have been appointed, e.g., Atkins, Arup, Mott MacDonald?
I have been looking into the Edinburgh tram system because I may need to use Edinburgh Airport as an alternative to Manchester. It's unfortunate they couldn't integrate the tram line into Edinburgh train station although in my case I can use Haymarket train station which is much closer to a tram stop.
I am thinking whether it was wrong for Leeds to get the old double deck tram retired. As I see Hong Kong, a bigger population city, is still using the double deck tram, the advantage is the station can be shorter and simple. The construction, operation and maintenance cost can be lower. In Hong Kong, the tram company makes the tram fee as low as 30p a ride because they can create other income from the advertisement on the tram, tourist tram, tram rent out for wedding event. As long as the trams do not go underground, a change from double deck to single deck is meaningless. They are just running same like double deck bus, a supplement of bus in the busy route and area.😂😂😂
No need to make a station platform with ticket machine. Just pay at the machine in the tram, like pay at the machine in the bus. Well, by one exit at double deck tram you cannot have the tram ride without pay, just like the supertram in other cities, the financial blackhole.😢 Save construction work influence to people nearby, save money and time. Financially balanced achievable.
@Someone36991 1. There's already a Metropolitan line 2. London already has a metro system in the form of the Underground. 3. We don't live up north. Cities like Manchester and Newcastle call their light rail systems "metro" because they have historically had shit public transport so the idea of a stopping service network is a new one.
The intention was for Metrolink to go further south and “takeover” the Green Line south of Charlemount to Sandyford (which is now a large urban area in its own right which a lot of EMEA HQs such as Microsoft). The Green Line is already at capacity. That was scrapped though because people didn’t want the line closed. I think now it is likely that Metrolink will extend south to Donnybrook/Ballsbridge - UCD - Sandyford. I think we will likely see as well DART Underground revived and extended to Poolbeg which would provide a further heavy rail link East to West. The lack of any construction in 6 years since the LUAS was extended is unacceptable though- a city with a hell of a lot of wealth and growing rapidly. A legacy of the financial crash.
Yeah, the idea was the have the new-ish BSIP stuff next to the 1975 PTE documentation. Tbh it's hilarious how similar they are in what they cover, the PTE knew what they wanted without all the PR fluff.
Such a shame that TransPennine Express has been struggling ever since Covid-19 came and went and there are talks about Northern to take over TransPennine Express or to merge with TransPennine Express and to keep operating train services in the North of England. It seems that the North of England is having a failed railway system than the south. At least HS2 is to provide better services for the North of England and improve better rail services with plans for a new high speed rail line to go from Liverpool Lime Street to Hull and York which would make it lot quicker.
'Are railways neccessary?' Depends on to whom who you speak. In the 60s, government decided they were obsolete and should be replaced by roads which were 'free'. Plenty of room - just concrete the shires over. Job done - tarmac is 'free' too. And road deaths (staggeringly high back then). And pollution. And noise. And property damage, especially from dangerous heavy lorries which grew much heavier over the years. All 'free'. But railways had to 'pay their way'. Buy one, but the other one's 'free'. Which one would you choose? Hmm... tricky....
I don't think it's divisive: I'm pretty sure everyone agrees Leeds (and WY) needs a mass transit system. But the funding model (crossing fingers and hoping Westminster will notice once a decade) just isn't there until we get proper devolution of the regions.
