Welcome to my hobby channel, where I share my passion for tinkering with old computers and emulators! My goal is one video a month, but it shows over time that I often make two.
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AROS is slow on the Vampire also, but not nearly that slow. Between this and the Vampire working on the AROS project, I hope to see some magic before we all get too much older. In the meantime, AmigaOS on the Vamprie is super nice. Perhaps an option to install your own copy of AmigaOS on the A600GS will be possible in the future for those that would prefer that.
Thanx for the info. So it seems that AROS on 68k (being it an emulated 040 or the 080 in the vampire) may be the issue then. I am considering trying AROS 68k on another Amiga of mine for some compare. The 600GS does support importing hdf and rom files. So it is very doable to move your own setup there. I should have been more clear about it when mentioning what it could import, and not just mentioning the formats.
My guess is that it is slow because it is running AROS on emulated 68k. and AROS on 68k is not fast sadly. I hope it will improve a lot when they start getting more and more of the libraries ported over to ARM. I am not sure why it is not done the other way around though. AROS running nativly on ARM and some 68k emulation when needed. Like morphos does it. Not sure all components needed exists. Just started to dig into AROS again after some years.
Cheers for another cool video. As a former owner of Amiga 600, I was hoping for better desktop experience, but with time I guess it will. (Notion of selling You unfinished product for a full price annoys me tho). Moving back to Poland relatively soon, so hope to attend some Amiga conventions. Maybe I'll pick up some old Intel NUC and stick my Amiga soft on it. Too bad I don't have my old joysticks (QuickJoy II Turbo SV-124, and QuickJoy III Supercharger SV-123 that my brother was using. Had as well QuickJoy MegaStar SV-133 that I reinforced and was giving my less delicate friends to play with ^^) Just thinking about them got reminded me the smell of that plastic. Anyways, had a chance to run that Amiga FantaVision yet? I noticed it isn't much on the retro amiga scene about it.
Cheers, and thanx! Poland is huge on Amiga. Still is! So must be a good place to be when digging into this interest. A nuc or a n100-machine is a nice setup I think. And if you want to head for old joysticks there are nice usb to amiga joystick-interfaces to use. I have personally tested the one from Monster Joystick with much luck. Should be doable to find some Quickjoy-sticks! Not had a chance to dig into FantaVision yet. I had some time off work for traveling. I have put it into my "remember to check this" notes though. For when life gets a bit less buzy! Cheers!
it's simple - computer, just different than windows pc we know now, something like Mac vs PC now, or Atari vs young Apple, in short all are computers, just kinda different ;)
I guess it is all about the timing in life for me. The A500 was miles ahead of the 8 bit computers that was in use prior to it. And for me I also used it in my youth and never really managed to quite capture that feeling it gave me when using my Mac. I did in my later youth use Linux though so setup how I like it (pretending to be AmigaOS) that also gives me much the same joy. Another key element for me was the later years when Commodore went bankrupt and all the rumors and dreams in those years. Such an exciting time to be passionate about it. So it kinda stuck. So Nostalgia is the word I guess? :) A bit like last generation had for the cars they liked and dreamed about as youths.
I have only used my ears at some games I know the sound in well, because of the issues I had with the desktop enviroment. Not done any additional testing so I can't answer for how good it is if your goal is to produce music with it (in octamed or something like that) and record directly from the output for digital release etc. But at least not any noise or things like that I was able to hear. If that answers anything? :)
Does it have networking support and what version of AmigaOS does it ship with (or is it AROS)? Wondering if AmigaGPT would work on it. Edit: OK just got to the end. It's AROS based... no ReAction support. Gotta wait for the MUI based AmigaGPT 2.0 =D
Thanks for this video, it's really interesting. I was thinking of getting an A600GS and was wondering what others experiences were of the device. I also appreciate your honesty, showing both the positives and the negatives with this machine. Helps us make a more informed decision, when deciding if we're gonna buy one ourselves. 1. Did you ever get the D-9 joysticks to work properly ? 2. If so, did you notice any lag or reduction in lag between a proper "old skool" connection, and a modern USB gamepad ? Great stuff. Keep up the cracking work Proteque Cheers.
@@ryanfurness8943 thanx mate! I haven't had the time to revisit it yet. However I know there is a new update. So once I get some time to test it I will give you a better answer!
Nah, get a cheap NUC, slap WinUAE/FS-UAE on it and it will be a better box. Or a refurbished Think Center. If size isn't an issue, bargain bin i5, 2500 or whatever you can still find. Pistorm, ISA PicoMEM and FabGL VGA32 are funny products that offer A LOT of value for what they do, this doesn't. Vampire Standalone is innovative, if pricey, this isn't. Whether people like it not, as Toni Wilen and crew have proved time and again, we now have enough "raw power" that "software defined hardware" is a much better proposition for "enthusiast projects" for older machines once you go into "more than a Pi/ESP32 can deliver". It's more consistent, more powerful, easy to "upgrade", easy to extend. Heck, if they wanted they could write a "better than real time MPEG expansion board" that the Amiga side could use as a device and run the "board" on a spare core as UAE only uses one anyway. Once you're past the "emulated/real bridge" hurdles, adding "more features" is relatively painless, as you're just some "software away" and don't have to redesign hw or limit yourself to what you already have.
You think they would ever have Open source AmigaOS like Linux; then you just compile for the cpu/gpu you have? Like you say in the video the 68k emulation isn't good. Thanks for warning us about this crashing, but they better fix this asap.
@@cybernit3 maybe not everyone know, but actually AROS is open source. It can run nativly on intel at least. So should be doable to get running on ARM as well. (I need to check the current status tbh) This is why I cheer for it. It is a recreation though, so not 100% the same. In a way it is also one of the systems I put in the Amiga Next Generation bag myself. Together with MorphOS and AmigaOS 4.x
I don't want to put it down. Amiga needs any innovation it can get. A package manager is a wonderful thing for the whole of the renaming ecospace. For me personally if I can't get real hardware then, PiAmiga and AGS in that order are the way to go. To me the A500 Mini was a waste of money, not even an Evian to tap water comparison. A600 feels too similar to A500 mini.
Not very hard. I think I was a bit unclear. But it supports adding hdf and own roms. That translates to transfering your own setup. Maybe I should make a video showing? For me the hope was a good aros desktop. But I am not abandoning it. Updates are comming.
This is a borderline scam at this point. They are using an Orange Pi zero 3 (that's €25 from aliexpress), a custom pcb (which is cheap, but nothing wrong with that) and an opensourced version of AmigaOS (AROS) to avoid the heaps of issues that come with all the "other" amiga-emulators. Two programs crashes upon startup. I'm guessing their testers didn't do much of a job there.. ... As you said. At the moment, this ain't it. Let's hope for better things to come along.
@@dozern I would love for AROS to get some momentum. And I hope some bugfixing irons out the things in the 600gs. So they using AROS was something I was happy about. Was hoping for something else than standard 3.x emulation. But something with less bugs and slowdowns. Hope and think things improve through updates I am still hopefull,and regarding the hardware I don't mind they used something available.
I was planning to. A guide for the whole setup. With silent linuxboot and everything. But never got around to it. Maybe I should. Descember is usually a dos month.
@@proteque Please do my dude. I have setup PCEm before but the fact that it was seamless was mind-blowing to me. Doing this kind of video for multiple setups including a regular x86 and SBC variants would be cool. Love your stuff like usual though man, killer.
@@protequeThere are plenty of ARM chips that are multiple times faster than a Pi 5. And now that Intel N100 SBCs are available at a similar price as the Pi 5, performance is really not an issue.
@@proteque I have several Rockchip RK3588 devices. Linux support is improving, and recently Collabora released the open source GPU driver Panthor. Particle has a Kickstarter project with a Snapdragon SBC, named Tachyon. They say the Qualcomm QCM6490 can run Ubuntu 24.04. I have plans to buy a Snapdragon X Elite laptop from Tuxedo (end of this year), but that is in another price range.
@@MichalBergseth-AmitopiaTV i will for sure update it and keep testing in. I hope my believe in the future dor the products managed to shined through it all. But had to be honest as well!
@@keyboard_g I would love if this project could put a new fire in the AROS developement. So for that I really hope they iron out the problems and managed to gain some momentum.
@@samuelbanya thank you kind sir. Actually I was considering making one of those for the "wow I passed 1k" celebration video. Was unsure if that would be of interest to anyone though.
@@danielktdoranie like it is now it is hard to disagree. Works okay for gaming though. Fast enough for such use. But that was not what I wanted to use it for.
I remember buying games and reading the manual on the bus home! At school we had an Amiga with Deluxe Paint 3. I remember being amazed by the animation feature, and 4096 colours!
@@proteque yeah this was the media studies Amiga. We also had SuperVHS cameras and an editing suite. I think one of the teachers had connections. Definitely very lucky.
I hope to one day be able to have a go at the Amiga clones as well! But I don't have good machine for morphos nor a vampire. A bit to expencive for me. Only emulators for classic in this video though. But thanx for the suggestion. Would if I could!
@@proteque vampire is also standalone, which is not-so-much original amiga feeling, but it is cool. BUT it is expensive last i saw. like...hundreds of euros.
I remember I tried it a couple of times on Windows. I loved Dpaint, and I really liked Brilliance on my Amiga... I guess I could have liked this also, but never got "used" to it really... Going to try it now in my Pi Zero 2w :-) ---edit Hmm... This should work creating C64 pixel art also I guess then!
@@alexanderwingeskog758 well kind of. But it doesn't stop you from breaking the rules of the graphic mode. Example: multicolor bitmap mode has a pixel Aspect Ratio of 2:1. And for each 8 x 8 pixel character location can only contain 4 different colors: 1 color is defined for the background, 2 colors are defined using the screen matrix (same as a hi-res bitmap). For c64 graphics I would give a vote for multipaint. Very good pixeler for c64 graphics.
@@proteque Ah forgot about "rules" (was so long so I thought x-double pixel and a matching c64 palette would do the trick haha, something for GFX2 devs to create a mode for I guess (with the c64 restrictions):-) I will forget I think, so i'll try Multipaint! Thanks! And for the Amiga they could do the same with Half-brite I guess.. (well no restrictions per say only 32 color palette (from a 4 bit RGB) and make the rest 32 "half-brite" OCS style)... ---edit Oh wait, Half-brite you could do actually with out any problems I guess..
@@alexanderwingeskog758 yes. For Amiga, Atari modes and that generation of computers you are indeed covered! Hope Multipaint ticks your boxes. If not there as several options. (Have forgotten their names though).
Oh, I did. Got myself copy on my emulator (I have Amiga Forever nowdays). Funny how it came to me how to use it straight after launching it, even tho it was about 30 years ago. My A600 was with me in the army with me (back in the conscript times). The fact You had Icons editor/creator was such a mind blowing thing to me as a kid. Making my own startup-sequence files... And Mod files of course. Still have collection of them.
@@hegemon8 Seems we hade the same youth :) It is strange how much time I used on making icons and background images (and later birdie themes and other hacks to make my workbench look scifi). Thanx for sharing your memories. It got me thinking I should start making Amiga icons again!
Nice pic ! It only goes to show that you dont need super expensive PC and the most advanced ver of photoshop or whatever to draw a master piece if you have talent. Cant believe you were able to draw it using soft from 1987 :) Well done !
Ahhh Grafx2 - Quality programme ! I use it on my Linux box (mainly to make custom levels for - Worms TDC) I'd be very interested in the following - 1. Your thoughts / reviews for the old Amiga art apps, E.G. Deluxe Paint Brilliance TV Paint Personal Paint 2. Your workflow for creating digital / pixel art. E.G. Have you thought about creating a few videos showing how you create art for your art projects (and your demo scene stuff) ? I think we'd find it fascinating Anyway, another top video Proteque Keep up the fantastic work !
Thanx for some great ideas. Always happy to get those. Actually I have something like that ready for next Friday release :) it at least show from zero to something-image and showcase some more software. I should do it with ppaint, TVpaint and DPaint as well (have used all of them a lot). For some reason it feels more difficult to do with those giants. But I absolutely need to do it. Especially TVPaint which doesn't get much coverage. As always. Thank you for you continued support and nice comments. means a lot to me!
@@UltimatePerfection i used promotion a bit around 2008. It was very good. But my choise of operating system made it a bit of a pain as it didn't work well in wine for a period and using wine does not integrate very well in the ui. But such a great pixeler. I should give it a revisit. Maybe my license still works on current versions.
@@proteque If you got 6.5 or earlier license, your best best would be to e-mail Jan for a steam key of the NG with proof of purchase. He's a reasonable guy and even if it doesn't work out, PMNG is very cheap on Steam. AFAIK it runs great on Wine and if you are worried about the look not fitting... well, I wouldn't use half of Linux software if I was worried about UI fitting with each other. GTK somewhat (still not fully) fits with Qt stuff, but then you get stuff like Xlib or Motif and other "weird" UI libs.
@@proteque yes feels like a treat to be able to do the line drawing in a program like this with a Wacom. Have had no luck getting tablet to work in FS-UAE so far.
I did not. but the point was not protracker. This can be done with any Amigaprogram. Protracker was just picked randomly to show how to do it. But I would love to know the name of the recreation of protracker though :)
@@proteque Interesting, do you start with drawing next to a photo or do you pixel ontop of an existing one? I ask because I always liked that Amiga art style look but there's barely any workflow videos other than the few ProwlerGFX videos.
Avsolutely. And nothing beats it. But getting harder and harder to get fully working c64s. I need to be using fpga for it currently myself as I don't have a working sidchip atm. This video was ment only as a how to get the most nostalgia feeling if you have one oh "The C64". Not an endorcement! Cheers. Thanx for your comment.
Before I comment anything I would like to congratulate you on your perfect spoken English and also for such an informative vid. I have a pi400 and a very old Amiga 500+, which needs recapped. But I hope to emaulate the Amiga via the Pi400 which has been proven to be a good way to do so. I have used the Pi400 for many things and it proves that you do not need a powerful PC for Internet use and other general daily tasks. I have a myriad of PCs, but the pi400 still has its uses. Thanks again.
So nice of you to say. Not my native language so there is a bit of accent there, but do my best at it. The 400 is indeed a good one. It is a bit better than the 4 because of the good passive cooling. And the form factor is very much a nudge to good old days as well with everything "in the keyboard case".
