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Hey again there is no rail on that new model it’s a frictionless flight it snaps onto serving at rear then rest on 2 rollers on front just like Ravin it’s for accuracy but it’s designed for ten points bolts not some aftermarket back yard heavy foc same spine idex bolts that were made to get more energy that crossbow has all the ft lbs it needs to work great
00:35 Looks to me like you need a stiffer arrow (spine)or less weight on the front of the arrow. The large mass on the front of the arrow and the power of the crossbow on the knock is causing the arrow to flex significantly. In my opinion.
Look at the arrow @.44 seconds. It has a pretty good bend in it and I think the wheelie happens when it tries to correct it. Maybe a spine matched arrow won't do that? Worth another video.
Everyone that has ever complained about turning off Lumenoks needs to watch this video. Once I learned this trimming trick a few years ago, I found the wires would crack black eagle shafts. I switched to SSCA weaved shafts this year and so far no cracking of the arrow shaft.
It looks like it's flexing down slightly as it is leaving the crossbow(the arrow). Is the arrow kicking up or is it just flexing in the air during it's flight? Kinda like a wobble? Rich, I have another question for you. During archery(crossbow) season, I have always preferred my distances to be very close. Typically I'm hunting within 25-50 feet from my "target" area. Should I be practicing to double that distance?
I would be curious to see how the bow shoots with an arrow with the vanes cut off. I am wondering if something is out of tune? I have shot my X-1 out to 40 yards without fletching. As long as the wind is calm it still hits where I aim. With that arrow flight, I do not see how the arrow in your video could be stable.
why not get a camera with better 200-500 frames a second the more the better, then it could be seen better whats really happens better. rent one for a couple of days a week for the purpose of testing. does the arrow flex/bends, is the rotating fast/slow is rotating good or does it wobble or does something else happens
In this case, the camera doesn't lie. That bow has serious arrow flight problems which could cause a hunting failure we all dread. If you were shooting into a strong head wind, the arrow flight problem could be magnified by 10x or more. I once shot at a caribou in a stiff 40 mph wind with a Thunderhead BH, (large fixed blade). The arrow went 6' over the caribou's back and was side ways. In clam air, the improperly tuned bow would shoot about a 3" group at 40 yds. In strong wind, my problems were a show stopper and I couldn't hit a bull in the butt with a base fiddle. I would not hunt with the bow that fired the arrow in your video, no way.
Maybe a different broadhead on it or different weights. Idk my arrows always look very straight. With no funky business but I’m also not slowing it down with slow mo cameras.
I had a similar result with under spined arrows. The 515, power house, might be too much for the vaunted zombie slayers. I suggest gluing a regular diameter arrow inside (400-340 rang spine usually fits with minimal gap. I have one arrow with a solid carbon fiber rod of 7.5 mm diameter glue in one the arrow feels like a weapon on it's own. I would love to see one of those loaded into a crazy powerful crossbow.
@@Deathbybunjie Some crossbow's dry fire mechanism can do weird things pushing down on the back of the arrow and it lifts up the front of the arrow off the arrow rail. If it was the same arrow, could be vane coming in contact with something on the crossbow as it exits the latch, etc.. Also, an arrow that is longer than what is designed for the crossbow can porpoise badly. I don't have much experience with carbons, but could be a batch of arrows that had some flaw? Maybe could shoot same arrow out of other crossbows.
Rich I wanted to thank you for your information that you bring Into the crossbow nation myself have learned a lot by watching these videos you put out are the new crossbows to fast?
@@Deathbybunjie I’m thinking maybe this fast the fins on the back of the arrow need to catch more air giving it more power to correct the front of the arrow. Or maybe even more weight in the front of the arrow those are the two things I think I would try and see what happens when doing so..
If you check my comment from yesterday, that's exactly what I was saying a few of mine do occasionally. Call it a wheelie, wobble, giddy up, whatever. It's frustrating to see when it happens. And like I said yesterday, if you practice in the dark, ( I have a light over my target), with a lighted knock, it's easier to pick that movement up. I'm mostly shooting at 30 yards. Never seemed to be more than an inch or two off. When I am off. I'm not sure if I would see it at 20 yards. Maybe. I'll have to try that. It does seem to flatten out right before it hits the target. But again that's mainly at 30 yards. I wonder if it would screw up and kill shot at 25 yds. I've seen it with other shooters also. Again, not all the time. Makes you wonder. Is it the speed, weight, veins, or possibly air movement?
I suspect, that as crossbows get faster the arrows will become more like bullets than arrows. The will need to be stiff and denser to overcome the planing issues I see in the video. Furthermore it is much cheaper to launch arrows at these speeds using gun powder or compressed air. The technology already exists.
Does the arrow rest not perfectly align with the string path? Or are the springs inside the arrow rest of a different stiffness? A stiffer spine will most likely help, but this is extreme.
check out some super slow mo footage of bows being shot. long bows, compounds, crossbows, they all make the arrows flex when they are shot. I would imagine a 500+fps crossbow would make a bolt dang near flex in half.
Still know album like last year how can you say it’s crossbow appreciation month without it I still got my favorite tree stand stuck in my head lol😂😂😂😂
I have the Venom X and love it. Main reasons for my decision was the cocking mechanism and the build quality. The RDX 410 also shot well but I did not like the cocking crank on it. I also looked at Ravens but they got pricey quick. I was trying to stay at $1000.
As always a great video produced by Death By Bunji. To me there’s more to take away from this than just the arrow breaking. I think we should all be very thankful that the shooter and no bystanders were severely injured. Let’s take away a very good safety lesson from this one guys, and especially from such close distances and angles. Safety was my first takeaway from the original video, and this follow up video Rich. Having said that I was thinking the same exact thing you said. The arrow broke because of simple physics, inertia. I have also entertained the possibility that this shot may have been too hasty? As in was the arrow fired without a tip being inserted, be it a field tip or a broadhead? I don’t have the capability to slow it down that much to see if that possibly could have been the culprit? But, either way I’m very glad that everyone walked away from this one without incident and I held my breath for more than a few seconds when it happened . God is good, all the time.
I’m looking at the Mission Sub1 XR for my wife. (I have a Barnett Raptor STR). My thought is that she likes it, she will hunt more and be committed. When she doesn’t hunt, I will use it and love it. It seems like it will last and the co. seems solid but who knows. That being said, its hard to justify $2100 for a crossbow. I’ve looked at others and they all seem inferior. I’ve been researching and going to stores all over town, just can’t make up my mind. The affordable crossbows are heavy, too long, cheaply made. The sub1 is too expensive and who knows what problems I might still have. Tough.
Man those look delicious and I know you are using the vintage way of making a burger. Supposedly they were originally grilled meatball sandwiches. As the story goes a impatient customer complained their order was taking too long to the chef. He lost his cool and in a fit of rage then smashed it flat. He noticed they cooked much faster this way. The customer said it tasted better as well due to the crispy outer edge thinking he did it on purpose.. Other people soon loved them too and didn't want the meatball sandwiches anymore after that.
With those high power crossbows, you have to inspect your arrow and flex it after every shot if it has just a hairline crack in it, it can make it explode with all the power it has
@@Deathbybunjie I understand that the curve will be a hysteresis curve ie the load curve differs to the unload curve however it is fairly linear and therefore for the purposes of simple calculation- triangular.the formula therefore must be Max Draw x extension x 0.5. To be totally correct its technically the integral of the curve or simply put the area under the draw force curve. The released energy is the area under the unload curve which is transferred to the arrow and bow system.
I think with them crossbows shooting 500+ fps they should have at least a 500 grain arrow to be sold with them or maybe heavier that just my thoughts on it
I’m thinking too much power for standard bolts, based on Ravin making bolts specifically for their 500 series. I enjoy watching your videos and learning from your experiences. I’m considering hunting deer with a crossbow, and using the Swhacker 125 grain with 2 1/4 inch cut. I haven’t taken a deer in about 20 years, not that I haven’t had plenty of opportunity. I’ve been considering the Swat X1 , and wondering if you know about how many times you have shot yours since replacing the string.
