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There should be no criticism until they show they are not really knowledgeable. Same with college degrees. But between a college degree vs bunch of certifications. Certs matters more (assuming they have gained knowledge and skills)
As an Instructor of both CCNA and ENCOR. The wireless topic is the major difference. L2 and L3 topics, ENCOR is just a little deeper, not the same magnitude of CCIE Written.
The obvious answer if you only want to further develop on the networking side would be the CCNP Routing & Switching or CCNP ENCORE as well as CCNP DATA CENTER
If you learn about CCNP concepts it doesnt matter if you are goin to work in the future with other vendors. The knowledge you have helps you a lot to understand the protocols and fundamentals to deploy networks in general. I have CCNA and i had last year to deploy a mix of Meraki and Unifi switching tech, so i only had to spend some time learn how to apply what i learned in Unifi and Meraki equipment, but the protocols and standards are the same at the end of the day. Its more about how you adapt what you know in real life, desing, use best practices, and troubleshoot.
CCNA, F5, Firewall cert, Cloud Networking cert, Wireshark. That is generally the cert stack I recommend to people. Usually specifically Palo Alto PCNSA specifically, or Fortinet
There is truth in the desire for wanting to become a network engineer starting to disappear. For example, in the latest DICT hosted forum in Negros Occidental which La Salle and other other local universities participated in, there was not once any focus on the networking aspect of today’s IT industry, instead focusing on game development, cryptocurrency and cryptography, Internet-of-Things and even call center support. It felt insulting that they left out the networking side of things and even the Cybersecurity side of IT since there was no Cybersecurity specialist who could attend. Really, without the network to support the infrastructure, the jobs they do would be finished. It’s sad is all that the networking guys get under appreciated. How can you defend a network if you don’t even know how a network works?
First of all thanks for your helpful channel and contents. Can you make a video and talking about Extreme network devices? Generally I'd like to know your opinion about Extreme network equipments. Thnks
Context is key here. I would assume most people who were becoming a Network Engineer or Admin with CCNA during the times you mentioned had other experience. Everyone now wants to skip help desk and level one work. Those people who became Engineers and Admins spent years whether formally or informally working with technology. That is so different to present day where you have completely non technical people who never did technical things growing up (setting up a lan party, fixing dial up internet etc). Saying CCNA is a help desk cert is misleading and will lead to people making mistakes early in their careers. To anyone reading this please know your time will come. I went from college (which everyone told me was stupid) to help desk for 1 year and now I am a cloud engineer.
Still love you both. Neil your CCNA course helped me learn networking while I was on the help desk only a couple of years ago. Dean love your certification videos. If you ever want to interview a person newer in their career but has made great progress in 3-4 years let me know 🫡
CCNA during the time you mentioned had other experiences - No! There was a time that there are too many Network admin/engineer positions and if you invested for a CCNA training. You can easily get a job. Now, the situation is different. Too many CCNAs but not enough networking jobs. Thats why other CCNAs ending up as a helpdesk. The discussion is for those zero to minimal experience.
I work on a Cloud engineering team comprised of freshers from mainly masters programs and the other half comes from a variety of IT backgrounds. I think it is always great to skip help desk when possible however I will share that 6 months to 1 year of help desk or entry level IT can help you grow way faster as long as you put the work in. Yes help desk gets repetitive quickly. Yes you most likely will have to leave for your next opportunity. But I have experienced it myself where I am so much more prepared compared to someone who skipped that level 1 position.
I am an application developer who wants to move into Sysadmin/Devops and I must say that the CCNA might not open doors for me, but it gave me a looot of basic understanding about networks which is needed a lot from as far as I can see. And even I would say, developers should have a CCNA.
Ccna depends on the person who delivers the knowledge.. if the person shares he real life experience youll stand out and get the best offers out there. Generally speaking, the market is about whats make you different
Why do people keep dancing around the elephant in the room. There are fewer networking jobs today than 10 years ago, and the trend continues to go down. If networking jobs existed like they did 10 years ago, there'd be much more drive, much more interest.
I agree, CCNA is not enough!!! I’m struggling to secure a networking role. Without experience and degrees, breaking into the field becomes much harder. A lot of companies want people with degrees & experience, what can we do to get around that. Volunteering is the same as attempting to get a job.
Thanks for acknowledging. My ultimate advice for young generation is this: Best way to start your Cloud Career, Skip helpdesk job! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-yWj-KnokUdI.html But if you wanna stay as Network. Just go for CCNP and F5
@@StyxShow You think you're good with this two, but then you see a bunch of offers where they ask you to know Linux (iptables etc.), FortiGate, FortiClient, PaloAlto, Ansible, and so on. It never stops 😁
@robfilms6264 Learn Linux (iptables, scripting), Windows Server, Microsoft Endpoint Manager, Ansible, AWS or Azure, VMWARE or VSphere and you might have a better chance...Good luck 🙂
I have 1 and a half years experience in cyber, 1 and a half in IT support. Plus sec+, Net+, and BTL1 certifications, will CCNA be enough to move to a network admin role in the next months?
I would disagree that the next thing to get after a CCNA in order to become a Network Admin/Engineer is CCNP Enterprise. Personally I'd look at the other skills being asked more on job postings in the Networking world, Automation with Python, Firewalls like Palo Alto or Fortinet, Wireless, Cloud, etc. Adding one or two of those things at the entry/associate level can help people land that Network Admin job after the Helpdesk. If I see a guy in an interview that has no Networking experience and has a CCNP I question if he took an exam dump or to what degree he knows things, but if they had a CCNA with a Azure/AWS cert or CWNA for wireless then I'm less inclined to question how valid their certs really are. The professional level certifications generally speaking are helpful for people in already in those roles and want to level up within Networking or whatever area that their professional cert is in. As a side note with Juniper, their big market share is in Service Provider Networking. I've worked for two ISPs in the USA and they've both used Juniper Routers and Switches in their core Networks to provide MPLS L2VPN services to business customers. I don't think they're as big in the Enterprise, but the QFX is decently popular within Data Center in some cases.
I would have to agree with you. Currently studying for my ccna. I’m always looking on indeed and zip recruiter ti see what skills they look for. Aside from ccna I see they asked for python (automation) firewalls even azure. After my ccna I plan to learn python
@@johndro9 Good luck to you on those studies. I'd recommend looking at Harvard's CS50 Python Course on RU-vid as a great free intro to python to get your feet wet if you don't have any resources on that.
CCNA + CCNP is easier than many 4 year college degree. Are you aware that some colleges. They include CCNA and CCNP in their curriculum? In short, you dont need experience to get CCNP. You can build your own lab and try many different scenarios while using various resources (books and vids) to gain more knowledge.
@@StyxShow I have seen CCNA in some Bachelors Degree programs like WGU here in the United States does that for their Network Engineering degree, but I've never heard of CCNP. Perhaps this is a disconnect from whats happening in the US compared to in different countries and how things are viewed.
@ShadowKenneth96 CNAP or NetAcad is the Cisco learning division designed for students in College and Universities. Check this out: www.netacad.com/courses/networking Its available in some colleges and uni in the US.
What do you mean stay away from CCNA? CCNA is to me the best entry level into networking but obviously, you can't just stay there when you get the certificate. Advancing to get a CCIE cert is what establishes you as a seasoned engineer. But CCNA is definitely required for newbies.
I currently have the Network+ and Security+. I’m currently working on AWS Solutions Architect while simultaneously looking for a job. Should I consider CCNA even though I already have Network+? I’m currently looking for entry level job while deciding if I want to go into cloud (what I’m leaning towards) or Networking. Would CCNA be worth getting to bolster networking knowledge in other areas like Cloud?
Yessir, I say get the CCNA. Also, look at what the market is wanting and what you want to do, to see what type of certification you should. CCNA and cloud go hand in hand. Plus most companies want you to be CCNA certified with an additional certifications
@@robfilms6264 @anwar6971 I think, there are always some companies that would give you the opportunity without having any experience or degrees, provided you have some relevant certifications. Apart from the lack of soft skills, I don't see how one would not end up getting a job with certs and knowledge like CCNA, Network+, Windows Server, AWS admininstrator, Azure Administrator, Microsoft Endpoint Administrator, Comptia Linux, Ansible, Docker, VMware, VSphere, FortiGate, FortiClient, Juniper, PaloAlto firewall. That's a long list, and it might take a year to get those skills and certs contrary to the appealing RU-vid videos that say "How I became a Network Engineer in 3 months without a degree or experience". But how one think they gonna compete with people who have degrees and-or experience with just CCNA on their CV.
More tech bro bullshit. CCNA isn't entry level, it's mid level. You nerds love to say "actually, what you know isn't that impressive, it's helpdesk level!". It doesn't make you look smart or cool. All it's doing is devaluing everyone working in the industry. Shut up please.
Its the same thing that happened witht he rest of the world. People who had degrees had a leg up so everyon wanted to get a degree. Now a degree is necessary for a lot of fields. Replace degrees for certs and thats the it field now. A+ may as well be a highschool diploma.
I followed the same path as Neil. I studied Todd Lammle's books and took a CBT nugget course with Emilio as the instructor. This was around 2001-2003, so I didn't have broadband, but DSL was available. Back then, Cisco courses were really expensive, costing thousands of dollars, which wasn't an option for me.
That time Computer based training and simulation wasn’t popular. But to those people who knew it already exist and used them of cert preparations. They were able to grab opportunities and high paying job thru cheap self paced prep course. What a beauty!
Regardless of my cert. There are many companies requiring Helpdesk position with CCNA cert. Freshgrads and new to the industry would take the position as getting Netwrok Enginring/Admin position is quite difficult. Many people agree with this. Check out the comments.
@@StyxShowThat's minority but based on research, majority of the companies see CCNA as an Engineering Cert because of the amount of concepts you have to grasp in order to pass the exam. That's why one of the requirements for the Engineering level is atleast the CCNA.
sir Neil Anderson's CCNA course was the best and it was the only video material I studied over and over again in 5 years along with the official cert guidebook of CCNA from cisco. I am proud to say that I dont have a line of 85 score for every topic in CCNA (IP connectivity, wireless, security, networking, and automation). All of them are line of 90 and yes that's the amount of time and preparation you need to have to almost ace the exam. That's how hard CCNA is as a gateway to become network engineer.
Anyone who actually has the CCNA knows that it's beyond entry level. Yes, it's billed as such, but by comparison to anything else out there, CCNA is actually more intermediate than entry level. Infact, they used to have a lower cert before the CCNA.
There is an lower entry level cisco cert. watch it here: Entry Level vs CCNA Certs w/ Jeremy McDowell/Jeremy's IT Lab ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Q8a8YeeV83Y.html
When it comes to certs theres things you need to know and things you need to do a job certs help certify that your aware but what you have to do is likely minimal compared to the subject you cover as i see it
This sounds like a couple of douches bags that don't know shit about the industry... Either far removed or neglect listening to grunts or even vets in the field. It is more than hard to get out of help desk once you start out in help desk. Its a known fact. Your literally subject to getting lucky or trying to cert your way out of it. CCNA rules over any other lower network cert but of course experience trumps all. Also if the company doesn't know the value of a cert then its just a piece of paper. If your going to acknowledge the field as a trade please fight for it to be unionized.
