The Midi Box 4 does not support bi-directional midi. It receives midi on the midi-in port, and transmits the data to the pedals attached with TRS. It can not receive data from the pedals. In short you can not use the MIDI Box 4 with the editor. The MIDI Baby 3 can be configured to work with the editor. Set the multi-jack to MIDI I/O, set the MIDI Thru to USN and the appropriate multi-jack. Reach out if you have any more questions.

@@ElliotGarbus very helpful: thanks!

@@ElliotGarbus Hi again: I goy a Strymon Conduit which apparently supports bi-directional midi: I have it functioning with my Midi Baby 3 and Ottobit for changing presets, exp pedal etc. I'm still having the same issue with the editor/librarian launching with all "Unnamed" presets. I'm able to alter the sounds of the ottobot with the editor but not able to save presets. Any guidance for configuring the MB3 with the Conduit would be greatly appreciated. Ottobit is Midi channel 4 MB3 is set for Midi Thru on USB Should the DIN be set to Midi Thru for USB, DIN or both? midi input channel is 1 (not used for any other device) I have the Conduit jack set to Tip Send for Meris pedals. THANK YOU!

@@ElliotGarbusHi: sorry for another question but it occurred to me that the Strymon Conduit has a usb port so i can connect to computer bypassing the MidiBaby 3: should i do that? thx!

@@projecktion7 I responded to your questions on reddit.

The editor needs to receive MIDI data from the pedal. The omniports on the MC6 MK2 only send MIDI, they do not receive MIDI. You could add a Meris MIDI I/O use a TRS cable to the Hedra, and (2) 5pin DIN midi cables to the MC6.

Connecting to the editor requires 2 capabilities. 1) TRS to MIDI and 2) Midi to USB with SYSEX support. The omni ports on the MC6 Pro are only outputs so you would need to use a Meris MIDI I/O to convert the TRS to MIDI. I would expect the MC6 Pro could handle the USB to MIDI with SYSEX support but you should confirm that with morningstar. I do know other users have used Morningstar controllers I just can't recall which ones. FWIW there is a more up to date video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8B3bewUexsw.htmlsi=bEhf4cCEdewec3TW

@@ElliotGarbus I've reached out to them as well. I think it has something to do with the MIDI through settings, and must admit that I'm not really understanding what settings to engage.

@@idaho_rex How do you have things connected? On the MC6 Pro you would want to make sure that MIDI Thru is on connecting the USB and DIN5 MIDI ports.

@@ElliotGarbus I have the midi thru sending to the omniport that the enzo is working on. Just to be sure, I set the USB MIDI host IN thru to everything, and have the USB Device MIDI IN thru to everything as well. I have set the globals on the enzo to your specs. One question, when you're setting the channel are you meaning to the channel that I've assigned to the ENZO ( 5 ) or the channel for the controller?

@@idaho_rex The editor will not work with the Omni ports. The Omni ports are midi out only. The editor needs midi in and midi out. Assuming the MC6 Pro will support sending and receiving SYSEX midi messages from the usb to the din5 port to use the MC6 with the editor you would need to the Meris MIDI I/O box. You would have to connect a TRS cable from the Enzo to the MIDI I/O, then connect two 5-pin din cables from the MIDI I/O to the MC6 Pro, and a USB cable from the MC6 Pro to the computer.

It depends on the specific device. It must provide midi-in and midi-out on TRS. The Morningstar Omni ports are just midi-out. The Disaster Area MidiBaby and Qconnect provide midi-in and out on TRS. Check the users manual or contact the manufacturer. I recommend using the Meris MIDI I/O, it works, and provides the MIDI opto-isolators that prevent ground loops.

The "SY300 panel" just on Windows. The editors I developed for the Meris pedals are all on Mac and Windows.

it looks fantastic and i can really see why you made it. for now, i'll try and get my head around these meris editors @@ElliotGarbus

That is a question for Meris. Send them an email: info@meris.us

What is the error, what are you doing when it crashes. I think there are 2 possible issues. A virus scanner could have corrupted the installation, or the .ini file got corrupted. You can also take the next 2 steps, they may fix the problem: 1) In the directory: "C:\Users\YourUserName\Documents\Enzo Edit Presets and Library" there are 2 files, delete the file main.ini, this file holds the window size and position and the default locations of the library. If you delete this file a new one will be created the next time the program starts. If this file was corrupted this will fix the issue. Restart the app and see if it works. If it doesn't go to step 2: 2) Reinstall: In WIndows go to settings, Apps find the editor and uninstall. Then turn off your virus scanner and reinstall the app. Try the app if it works, turn your virus scanner back on. If those fixes did not work: There is a log file that captures behavior of the program located at: C:\Users\YourUserName\.kivy\logs There is a list of txt files in this directory. One is created when the app runs. Look at the most recent log, if there are errors reported in the log, let me know the error. I'm confident we can get you up and running. Please let me know how it goes. Good Luck!

@@ElliotGarbus Thank you for your immediate support! There is no error text, after clicking connect the app no longer responds and I'm forced to stop it using task manager. I'll follow your instructions with fingers crossed and let you know. Thanks again for your time.

@@òlksdaskghgqè Make sure you are using a TRS cable to connect the Enzo to the MIDI I/O. It will not work with a regular guitar cable.

TLDR: Get the Meris MIDI I/O, and a Roland UM-One MkII. There are two things you need to connect the Hedra to the editor. A TRS to midi converter and a MIdi (5-pin DIN) to USB converter. The Meris Midi I/O provides the TRS to Midi; I use a Roland UM-One MIDI to USB. There are lots of MIDI to USB cables that will work - but avoid the cheapest of them, they are often marketed as keyboard connectors and will not work properly with the editor.

thanks for the reply. I'm going to implement it this way

Thanks for your kind words. I'm glad your enjoying the editor. Go to the help menu and select donate, it will bring up a paypal page. Are you using the Hedra? You can select the settings on the generator panel, and select the items that are included or excluded in the random patch generation. Remove key and mode, and set specific values in the editor. They will not change. You can use the A/B Morph or A/B Sweep and limit the range of intervals by setting the max and min values on the interval knobs. The generator does not have the capability to select specific intervals to include or exclude - but between the settings (include or exclude a knob) and the A/B modes (limit a range) there are some controls that can be used to limit the intervals.

@ElliotGarbus thank you for the quick response! I'm actually using the ottobit jr. but it sounds like a I need a hydra now haha

Yes the editor will work if midi clock is being sent. If you wanted to use the MC8, you would need a way to merge the 2 midi data streams. There are midi merge devices that do this kind of thing. I have a simple midi clock generator program if you want to run a clock while using the editor. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YgN36jkAgF4.htmlsi=8eTmy2iqsA7pfBHQ

@@ElliotGarbus thank you so much, this is exactly what I was hoping for. It works perfectly. thank you again!

@@colepearson2345 Happy to help. Enjoy!

The editor needs a bi-directional connection to the pedal. This requires converting the proprietary 1/4" Meris TRS connection into MIDI IN and OUT. If you are using the omni-ports on the MC8, it will not work. The Omni ports are midi out only. Here are a number of connectivity options: * Connect the Ottobit Jr to the Meris MIDI I/O box and connect the Midi in and out DIN connections to the MC8. I expect this should work. * Alternatively you could connect the Meris MIDI I/O to a high quality midi DIN to USB cable, like the Roland UM-One. Avoid the cheapest cables they will not pass SYSEX messages. * Another choice is to use a Strymon Conduit, this provides the TRS to MIDI to USB. * There are also a number of Disaster Area products that will work, for example the MIDI Baby 3. Good Luck, feel free to reach out if you need more help.

Thank you! @@ElliotGarbus I will pick up the Meris Midi I/O box. Thank you again!

How are you connecting the Polymoon to the MidiMan? You need to use a device like the Meris MIDI I/O to convert the TRS connection in the pedal to MIDI in and midi out. Both Midi in and Midi out must be connected.

@@ElliotGarbus okay - I just wrote "a What to do" question in a thread at Gearpage about your editor. But I just connected my TRS jack - midi cable from the Polymoon to the midiman...I also have the DMC.micro - could I use that instead (and how...?)

@@soerenbendixen.audiotect I'll respond to the gear page post. Short answer, you can't use a simple TRS to MIDI cable.

@@ElliotGarbus thanks

I would expect it to work fine on Venture, have you had an issue?

The editor requires a bi-directional midi-connection, midi in and midi out. The empress Midibox2 has 1 bidirectional connection, and of course you can use the Meris Midi I/O.

There are 2 "functions" that need to be provided TRS to MIDI and MIDI to USB. As long as a bi-directional solution is provided, it should work. The Empress MIDI-box 2, for example has 1 bi-directional port, that will work. Any robust midi to usb solution should work, avoid the cheapest cables they will not pass SYSEX. Some of the DA devices provide both these 2 functions in one device. Taking a quick look at the DAD MicroPro, it looks like it should work.

@@ElliotGarbus Thanks so much for the reply! I decided to go with the Meris MIDI I/O because I already have several Meris pedals and 5-DIN MIDI in&outs available from the computer in my studio (plus the DMCmicro Pro is already on a pedalboard)... I'll let you know how it all works out. Thanks again!

@@Shmoe54 The Meris MIDI I/O easy setup and you can run multiple editors at the same time. Have fun. Reach out if you have any trouble.

the BPM thing alone is huge

@@CyberattackWorld Many Thanks. I love your videos. Great visuals, playing and sounds!

@@ElliotGarbus oh thanks man glad to hear it

The qConnect must connect to the Enzo using port X on the Qconnect, be sure to set it to MD.io; See the bottom of page 11 of the online qConnect manual. If you still have issues contact DisasterArea, their customer support is quite good and they can help you out.

@@ElliotGarbus you're the man. worked perfect

@@scottyw116 Glad to hear it worked out. Thanks for letting me know!

Thanks for the kind words. In MIDI the channel is the way to address an individual midi device. You would set the midi channel of each of your pedals. This is done with the global settings. The PC (program change) message includes both a midi channel and the preset value. When you send out the PC, only the pedal with the same channel will respond to the PC. Hope that helps!

@@ElliotGarbus Yes, thank you!

I'm glad to hear you are enjoying the app. If you would like to make a donation, go to the help menu and select "Donate". This will take you to a Paypal site. Thanks!

The app requires a bi-directional midi connection midi in and midi out. The TRS ports on the MS midi box are midi out only. The app is not receiving data from the pedal. Use a Meris Midi IO to connect to your Scarlett.

One other thing I'm noticing is On the Select Midi Ports portion, MIDI Input shows UM-ONE 0 and MIDI Output shows UM-ONE 1. I'm pretty sure in watching your examples, both said UM-ONE 1.

I expect it should work with the Conduit. I have not used it myself.

@@ElliotGarbus appreciate the reply! Hoping to grab one soon.

@@Michael_Is_Avgdid you ever happen to test if this worked with the conduit?

To recall a preset a PC messages is sent. Here are a few things to check. Make sure each device (TC flashback triple delay, CBA Brothers) is on a separate MIDI channel. I took a look at the midi section of the TC-FTD manual. I'm concerned that the MIDI implementation may only support midi clock and not other messages. Here are some tests I suggest to help your troubleshooting. 1) try controlling the CBA pedal directly from the midi switcher. If this works you know your switcher is sending the correct data. 2) Connect the midi out of the switcher to the midi in of the Roland Quad Capture and use a midi monitor to see the data. (You should see two hex (base-16) numbers, each 2 characters. ) If you see the data, then connect the midi out of the switcher to the midi in of the TC-FTD, connect the MIDI-THRU from the TC-FTD to the midi monitor. If you do not see the data - the problem is the MIDI-Thru is not passing the PC message. There is a nice, free midi monitor for the PC: www.bome.com/products/sendsx If you need more help you can find me on Facebook, and send me a DM.

@@ElliotGarbus Thanks ! I'll test it ! But I've tried the CBA directly into my One control and it's not working

@@brunodeoliveira331 Make sure the midi ch of the message you are sending matches the midi ch of the brothers.

@@ElliotGarbus it matches, It's on Channel 2 and I've been setting the PC message into Channel two. I'm using wingtail app to do it and it's pretty clear I think cause I've managed yo program my TC Electronic ftd

The editor saves presets to the 16 preset slots on the Polymoon. As you mentioned the preset switch uses the first 4 slots, so yes, you can use the editor to program the first 4 presets that you would then select with the preset switch. One thing to keep in mind, to switch between the preset switch and the editor you would need to reconfigure the pedal for Midi to use the editor, and the preset switch for performance. This is done using the Globals on the pedal.

@@ElliotGarbus fantastic! Thanks so much for the quick response. Now I just need to get those midi connections and do it :)

The Editor requires a bi-directional midi connection, midi in and midi out. The multi-jack on the DMC3XL is only midi out. If you are connecting the pedal to the multi-jack it will not work.

Thanks for the kind words. Enjoy!

The file HedraEdit.zip is the Mac version; HedraEdit_setup.exe is the Windows version. Please refer to the directions just above the files.

Yes, already done. Download: github.com/ElliotGarbus/Polymoon-Editor-and-librarian/releases You can find the video on my RU-vid channel.

@@ElliotGarbus wahoo!!!! Thanks so much!

I'm not planning on any updates right now. If you want to try the editor with the Habit, you can select a similar pedal (Mood for example) from the menu. The editor will work fine, the knobs will just have the wrong labels.

Thank you, Elliot. I will try. Cheers :)

I’ve just released an update that added the Habit.

I suspect that a virus scanner is corrupting the install. Try disabling your virus scanner during the download and install. If that doesn’t work let me know. There are more things we can check.

@@ElliotGarbus Hey ! Cool to read you. I did disable but it didn't prevent from warning me as before. I bypass it and It lets me install the program and the file looks full and ok. I just can't open it. I also tried the option for solving compatibility problems. All it could though was to tell me that the program was incompatible.

Breaking News ! I gave it another try, in despair, it worked ! It doesn't seem to relate to the old presets and library files though. I don't have time right now to test the sounds in the pedal but the library in the app is not too encouraging. Is there a way to make my old files communicate with the whole ?

@@slylang if your old machine is still running, open the editor and export all of the presets to a file. On the new installation, import that file. Alternatively you can find your old lib file and import it.

@@ElliotGarbus Thank you Elliot, I'll try it !

Let me know how you are connecting your computer to the pedal. Is the connect indicator green?

@@ElliotGarbus it’s connected through a midi to usb cable that is going into the in and out of the Selah Quartz V3 midi controller which is connected to the Mercury. The editor goes through the connection process but the connect indicator is not green until I drag a preset from the library into a slot. Then it turns green.

@@joshuamiranda1825 The Selah Quartz V3, only sends midi out on the TRS Jack. The editor requires a bi-directional connection (midi-in and midi out). I suggest you use the Meris MIDI I/O in place of the SQV3.

@@ElliotGarbus that makes sense! Thank you!

The Meris MIDI I/O provides a MIDI spec compliant connection to up to 4 Meris pedals. The Roland UM-One Mk2 is a USB to MIdi interface. You could use the Meris MIDI I/O with the UM-One and the editors for editing and creating presets. Then unplug the UM-One from the MIDI I/O, and connect the 5-pin midi out from the DMC-3XL Gen3 to the MIDI in of the MIDI I/O for selecting presets in a performance setting - you can also connect an expression pedal to the DMC, and send midi expression to the Meris pedals. The MIDI I/O is fully midi compliant, and ensures the midi connection does not cause ground loops. I would recommend you get the MIDI I/O, the UM-One and a Midi Controller. This provides the most flexibility. It will also let you edit and create presets on multiple Meris pedals at the same time. You could have both editors open - and create patches that work together. The qConnect has one-port (X) that can be configured as a bi-directional midi port. This can play the role as the midi to computer interface, saving the cost of the UM-One. There are a number of restrictions, the qConnect is more complex to configure. If you only had one Meris pedal and cost focused, the qConnect would be a consideration.

The symptoms suggest that the midi data is not getting from the pedal to the editor. Make sure you are using a TRS cable. If you are using a TRS cable, contact Disaster Area support for how to configure the qConnect. Make sure that the inCh on the qConnect is not the same as the Hedra or the editor. Try using different values for the thru setting the on the qConnect.

@@ElliotGarbus Took me a hot minute to realize that I was using TS cable from qConnect to Hedra. Using a TRS and setting THRU on qConnect to MIDI.io helped. Your comments helped, thank you. I found that editing a patch and then trying to save back to the Hedra didn't always work. Instead, it was easier to just save 'new' preset to Library and then drag it over to the presets list. But at least I now have things backed up and named.

On Mac or Windows? On Mac you need to go into midi setup to configure the connection.

see: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WboryxnQBbI.html

@@ElliotGarbus Hi Elliot. On Windows 10. I can connect the MD-BT01 to the Laptop fine but when I run the Mercury 7 program it does not show the device as a connection option in the connect menu.

I found a partial workaround using MidiBerry on windows and loop midi but this only provided one way communication so not really helpful.

@@bucketbot1 see this link: www.yamahasynth.com/ask-a-question/can-i-use-the-md-bt01-to-connect-to-a-pc-windows-10 You may want to consider a BT midi adaptor that supports the W10. The Roland adaptor lists W10 support.

The editor requires a bidirectional midi connection, it needs a connection to midi in and midi out. The Omni port on the mc3 is only midi out. You can use a meris midi I/O and connect to the mc3 using two 5 pin midi cables.

@@ElliotGarbus thanks for replying so fast, wasn't expecting that! Disappointing, I grabbed the MC3 so I wouldn't need a midi box so I'll just make presets the old fashioned way for now... maybe a tweak in the future that just requires a one-way connection so you can create presets in the editor and just send them to the Meris?

@@dancehallc The editor will send out the appropriate CC messages when you turn the knobs on the editor. You will not be able to save, or use any of the more advanced capability. I also think selecting one of the 16 presets will work. You can clear the popup that says loading presets, by clicking in the window.

Make sure you have adjusted the security settings in Catalina to enable running the programs. I see you have also reached out on Github - I'll follow up with additional details there.

@@ElliotGarbus thank you for being so prompt on this, im unsure as to what features could be blocking this so any detail is greatly appreciated, ive been scratching my head for the past 4 hours, Thank you!

@@lfennew1 Check on github - my feedback is there. I'm confident we can get you up and running.

It works on Catalina

@@ElliotGarbus thanks! I downloaded the app, and made all the appropriate connections. The app is recognizing my midi controller (mastermind PBC) as the midi in and out, but is stuck in a looping "reading presets/writing names". Any idea what could be causing this?

@@JimmyJamLP this means the pedal is not responding. Here are a few things to check. Check the pedal settings: exp set to MIDI, set to midi out. The pedal and the editor need to be set to the same midi ch, no other connected devices should be on that channel. Use a trs cable to connect the pedal. How are you connecting the pedal to the PCB?

I have not used the BT01. My guess: make sure your BT01 is connected in the Mac Audio/Midi setup prior to opening the editor. I found a short video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Q8RMWRBV9ic.html Please let me know if this fixes your issue.

@@ElliotGarbus Will do, I'll let you know as soon as I try it out.