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I'm of the unpopular opnion that 21 Sharp is actually exciting. I think people seem generally happy with 17 hmr from an accuracy perspective, but want to dump on the 21 sharp for trying to modernize the 22lr. A modernized design with easier to jacket/plate bullets that don't require lube and don't have a heel seems like a good idea. 22LR fills a nice niche and updating it to make it easier to fill said niche is a good idea IMO. If it makes it easier for the big american ammo manufacturers to make subs that acutally shoot well, imagine the sort of field day Lapua/SK, Eley, RWS, etc will have with the round. People who want to shoot 22 compeitions for fun may not have to spend a huge amount of time and money finding something their gun will shoot consistently and will not have to buy a pallet when they finally find a good lot. 22LR is such a weird, finnicky round that people pour thousands of dollars in to have it shoot consistent ~2/3 MOA groups. If this cartridge can shift those goalposts so that regular guys can get consistent 3/4-1 MOA without a crazy amound of investment and the crazies can be chasing sub 1/2 MOA, that would make things better for the shooting community.
Invest in this ammo. Some dummy will surely need it in the future. If they were dumb enough to buy this caliber they will be dumb enough to pay way to much for it later
I bought a Colt Officers model 45 in 1987. The grip safety never worked straight from the factory. Took it to two gunsmiths and they could not figure out why it wouldn't work. Then , one day I decided I wanted a better looking hammer so I ordered a new hammer and sear from Wilson Combat. The sear was much better designed than the one that came with the gun. and magically the grip safety finally started working. Don't know why that would make a difference, but it did.
In the previous video where you showed the round with a dent in it I knew it was not going to end well. It speaks volumes about their quality control. You should put that rifle in the closet until someone else besides Winchester starts loading for it. Also, any rifle that you have to go to such extreme measure to get barley mediocre groups is of no use to the average hunter shooting offhand
Yep, parts wear, particularly when they are not the best quality in the beginning. A less than stellar firearm as a base model will definitely give you ample opportunity to showcase failures. You picked a good one for that. I've run somewhere approaching ten thousand rounds through mine, (not a Remington) aside from replacing springs, it's running well. Yes, I give it a clean and check after every shooting session. The brand I have has it's own eclectic group of haters, my experience is contrary to theirs, if indeed they have experience in anything other that parroting. No argument whatsoever with the encouragement to do cleaning and safety checks. I do that with every firearm I take to the range. I'm not one to brag about how many rounds I put through a gun without cleaning to prove some inane concept of "it doesn't need it". Choosing not to be stupid is usually a good option.
Don't you just hate it when someone tells you that you ain't shooting the right way. A lot of them would cringe if they had to fill a couple of socks with dirt and rock or sand if they needed a bag in a real pinch. A lot of the same people will tell you that you need to use both hands to shoot a pistol every time, never thinking about the child or other they may have to hold back or hold them selves up. What works for one ain't always a thing working for someone else. Especially when it comes to a bench or other spots. Thank you for the time showing this new round
If this was a .22lr or .17 rifle, I would suggest using target rounds to see if the issue is the round or the rifle, but that can be problematic a new caliber and not that many other .21 cartirdges to use for testing. I wonder how much of teh accuracy issues are due to the round or the rifle. Granted, a light round will be influenced by the wind to a significant greater degree. I wonder if the .21 Sharp is mainly for indoor target shooting at 25 yds (maybe 50 yds). Eliminating the lead would significantly reduce indoor environemntal protection requirements.
Kind of sad you had to make all those statements. I had a .22 lr Savage Mark II a couple of decades ago. Interesting to see what has changed. Had synthetic stck with stainless steel barrel. Acuutrigger was not offered on this riffle back then. Barrel wsa not threaded or ribbed. It had decent accuracy and was good value for the money. No idea about the new one. I suspect the .21 lr will have a flatter trajectory initially, but drops off faster due to the lower bullet weight. I am curious as to whether the bullet would expand. Not familiar with copper matrix rounds. I suspect good enough for squirrels. The biggest issue for me is the cost. For now, too many variables with regards to the cartridge, especially teh quality control.
Back in the 1980s there was a resurgence of interest in the 1911 both law enforcement and civilian alike. As a professional gunsmith, I was building custom 1911s at the rate of 3 to 4 a month for customers. Every part was selectively hand fitted exclusively for that particular weapon. Those who carried one for a living, I would inspect annually for wear, and prospective issues. Let's face it. Parts do wear by use. And those that shoot often accelerate wear. How much wear depends upon the quality of the parts, their installation, and how well the weapon is cleaned and lubricated. Lubrication is the life's blood of any firearm. Operate them dirty and dry and excessive wear will occur. Period. Any firearms owner owes it to his weapons and himself to properly clean and lubricate them after use. I've zero respect for the ones that brag about never cleaning and lubricating their weapons. Boasting about thousands of rounds fired and never maintaining their weapons is the mark of an idiot. My suggestion is to clean and lubricate your weapons after each shooting session. And while doing this, inspect your weapon making sure screws are tight, pins in place, springs have good tension, and looking for signs of wear. Doing this simple inspection while cleaning will give advance notice of potential problems that are not noticed otherwise.
Never buy the new this month gagetry. Let the cussing fly on rich kidderz dimes. Remington reputation went down with shhh china parts??? Winchester guns any good??? Dunno!
Years ago winchester was 100 yard winners. Nearly 0 duds. Remington were dudderz. If it said hunting, they were very loose and dented and very inconsistent. CCI were always the very best in the farm varmint hunting community! Decades sure change brand loylaty! Only airguns nowadays. Rebuilt to target accuracy. Lol the best may be the least pellet cost! So surprising.
I agree its not looking good for the Winchester ammo. You might check the average weight of the rounds. Also check the average rim thickness. Cull out any round that doesn't make the average. In some brands of 22lr ammo i have culled out 40%. The flyers stopped. Good episode.
I had this exact rifle in 17hmr and took it to the range once and sold it. Accuracy was subpar, the magazine was absolutely terrible. I could see past the rough bolt, but the magazine couldn't even hold the rounds in. It also didn't lock in place consistently. Plus, the cheap synthetic stock is absolutely atrocious. But, for a rifle and magazine that have been around for well over a decade, you'd think they'd have ironed out all the magazine issues by now. I've got older Marlin rimfires that are 60 years old that fit and feed better out of the older magazines that have probably hundreds of thousands of rounds of 22lr through them.
Those ES are crazy. No way can we expect a 150fps ES to produce good groups. One thing that maybe could help is cleaning the barrel. I think you have only shot copper bullets through the rifle, but I have seen hunting rifles with copper bullets show poor accuracy if the copper bullet is shot after another bullet. They just don’t seem to like it. So maybe a clean barrel would help, but with those ES numbers I wouldn’t count on it.
I didn't know that was a "series 80" and I was expecting it to fire, a "series 70" would definitely fire. And if you are talking about a firearm that is already worn and/or damaged, a "series 80" might also fire.
I would say you could pick up some accuracy when sk, lapua, or eley pick it up. Also I don’t believe in cintered copper powder, I don’t think Winchester has the ability to tell if there is no voids in the bullets causing wild instability.
I'm pretty sure a Umarex , Gamo, or a Crossman Air rifle in .22 caliber is WAY MORE accurate than this rifle to hunt and kill small game at 50-100 yards! Much quieter too!! Not sure if 21 Sharp would be very humane for Deer hunting unless it's a head shot..
I’d clean it really really good and put it back in the box. In 50 years from now, nobody will have a clue what a 21 sharp is lol.. definitely getting collector vibes with this gun. I don’t see this one catching on.
