I think Iax stole the moon to impress Felurion...

@kingkillerpodcast8559 do y’all think maybe you got too close to the truth and all the flaws you pointed out is why Rothfuss can’t finish 🫣

Great analysis. Personally, my guess is that Encanis is the true evil force in this story. And I think he is the Cteah. With Iax being more of a tragic victim of the Cteah in the same vain as Kvote. The story of Menda chaining Encanis (the most evil of all demons) to the great iron wheel, I think is analogues to Encanis being bound to a tree in the Fea. but I think they likely could not destroy him (keep him behind the door of death) so binding him to the tree makes more sense. The archery of the Sith / and the link with archery to the Adem is also interesting here. It would mean thet Menda likely founded the sith and they are likely the starting point for the Adem also, as they were first very focussed on archery. Perhaps the Sith were Menda's faction in the Fea, and the Adem where his faction in the mortal realm. In order to chase and kill those who had spoken to Cteah and had fled into the mortal world. They would want to kill those people from a distance with arrows the same as they do in Fea.

The Ruach couldn’t have ruled over men. Ruach weren’t around with men. Ferlurian is one of them and she said this was “before the cities of man. Before man. Before fae.”

One thing that confuses me is that the chronicler has a book in the library before koveth went to the university however he attended the university after koveth so was he chasing the wind the entire time koveth was there or what happened there.

Maybe Caudicus is working for Braden/Cinder? Not sure why exactly but he is also nearby.. perhaps that’s why the blue flame is present as well

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Love how you could really be logically correct in assuming that Kvothe needs wild life-threatening sex for the rest of his life to really get the charge he started with. It’s a weird thing to talk about - but probably not wrong. Hilarious.

I think the candle is a symbol for hope in the engtire series. Haliax/Lanre is often depicted with a Candle and Thelu also had one. I think the Black candle symbolizes the loss of hope. Auri is trying to equip Kvite with cape, key and candle. Perhaps because she is preparing him for something.

Felurians personal reaction to his questions about the 7 I think is telling. I believe she might very well have been personally involved much more then we know. We know she was there the entire war. And I believe that, like the seven, she had her own name changed in order to become what she is. So she is a lot like the chandrian herself. Having a power around her which is automatic. Her sign is desire.

I believe the doors of stone are the greystones. Not the 4 plate door. So Iax is sealed somehow using all the greystones. The lackless door may play a role in it also, but the doors of stone are not the same as the lackless door

The Cthaeh (I believe) is the bound Encanis from Thelu's legend. As he is described as the most evil and powerful of all the demons and there are many clues that skindancers are his agents (he moves like a worm in fruit). Also his voice like a snake fits, and that he was bound to a wheel which would prevent him from lying (the Cthaeh can't lie because the wheel/tree will hurt him). So Encanis is the heart of all Evil, and Encanis literaly means something like Wizard or magical speaker or even singer (encanta) So that makes Thelu the highest good god and Encanis (Cthaeh) the ultimate good in the world of KK.

The dross of black en Tor... A dross is actually a term from professional butchery. It simply means slaughter. So this actually probably translates to: The slaughter of the Black at the Tower. or... The slaughter at the Black Tower...

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You think cthaeh is female?

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Totally agree that Roderick Calanthis is toast. I think the blue and black butterfly could be Cinder. The "bad turn once" makes me think of a wheel turning. And the only consequential wheel we have in the series is the giant iron wheel. It's not my theory, but I read a decently compelling theory that Cinder is Tehlu on reddit long ago. A burnt up, transformed Tehlu. Tehlu and Cinder are both described with the same dark eyes, and the mask Cinder wears hides the burn scars on his face. I can't do it all justice here, but it was a good read. So, if the Cthaeh = Encanis and Cinder = Tehlu, the "bad turn" would be his pinning on the wheel when they both burned in the fire. Probably isn't true, but it was a fun theory to read.

How do you guys interpret the Cthaeh saying that many would envy Kvothe for the chance to speak with it? As we know the Cthaeh does not lie, but everyone we ever met who knows of it is absolutely terrified. So who would actually want to be able to speak with it? 🤔

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Cracks knuckles and turns on ps5 (what a good time to turn on RU-vid for the night boys)

We're told that Jax' house is at the end of a broken road, and we know that the University is at the end of the great stone road. It seems pretty likely that the tinker in Hespa's story ends up building the first university out of Jax' house, which ends up becoming the underthing. And to add a tinfoil hat theory: It's mentioned in the story that the box which traps the moon is small enough to close your fist around. As you often say, these details aren't random. So maybe it's not the Lackless box, but it's the thing inside the Lackless box. Having a box within a box is kind of weird to have in your story, but it would fit with Kvothe also locking something precious away in a box. Or maybe the fact that it's small is hinting that it's a jewelry box? We know that when namers learn the name of something, they make a ring of it. So maybe Jax made a stone ring from a moon stone.

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Rothfuss talked about Feyda Calanthis being in the next book… he even said he’s a draug, and the sleeping barrow king

So we learn early on in the books that Kvothe taught himself how to hide things from himself in his mind. I feel like the Thrice locked chest follows that same vein. I think Kvothe has hidden how to open the chest from himself (or from Kote) and hasn’t yet retrieved/found the answer of how to unlock it from deep inside his mind. I’ll have to re-read that passage to fully form this theory for sure haha. For now it’s just a bit of an idea?

If the Amyr didn't want a Lackless heir, why wouldn't they just go after Meluan? We're told that she has two dozen suitors, so are the Amyr going to whack them all? And why only now? I don't buy that it would be because of the poem or a Lackless heir. But we know Alveron looked into the Amyr in his youth, so it's possible there's a different connection there. It could even have been Meluan who arranged it, in order to make Alveron desperate. She wasn't getting any younger, and if Alveron had been healthy, he could have stayed single for another 20 years. Kvothe even says "Everyone sees you as the worlds first bachelor", so he clearly had a reputation for staying single. So maybe Meluan decided to light a fire under his ass, being careful to not kill him. But that also wouldn't explain what motivated Caudicus to do the deed. On that point I think you're right; it would have to be either Roderick or the Amyr. Those are the only factions we know are stronger than Alveron. This was a fun episode!

Here’s some speculation: how about Kvothe changes his name & locks “the important thing” (the lockless box, which (maybe) contains a key, or an important component to creating the key, to doors of stone?), THEN realizes Denna is trapped behind doors. Or perhaps he’s closed off the path between his world & they fey, learns Denna is now trapped there, the evil things have become trapped in the human world & he can’t fix it because he no longer has access to the fey part of himself that gave him his extraordinary skill. All he had left to him is his sharp mind. He could have listened to Bast, who is fey & is sort of a “first order thinker” as a result, and now Bast can’t go home, & wants Kvothe back so he can go home. I dunno. As I mentioned, purely speculation.

Regarding your discussion at around 1:04:50, Rothfuss made a good effort to establish a hard magic system, but it's still a little broken (mostly due to artificing). Your example with the draccus could be resolved if we assume that the wasted energy results in slippage. The draccus would be transferring a ton of energy into the coin, but 99.999% of it is being "wasted". I.E. going into the arcanist. Though as you've brought up before; we really don't know enough about slippage yet to say for certain.

Hey gents love all the content. I have a question I’m curious your thoughts. Where do you think Kvothe’s sword is currently? He promised to the Adam that he would find a way to return the sword in the event of his death. The world believes that he is dead and it seems he went to some lengths to make it so. Would having the sword sent back be one of those things?

I read a theory that Kvothe hasn't lost his power in the frame story and infact he is hiding it. For example when the skin dancer came in Kvothe threw an elderberry bottle at him and mumbled a binding. Given magical properties of the elderberry and what Kvothe did was why the skin dancer wasn't able to jump to another body and died instead. He never wanted to set him on fire as Bast thought. This theory changed my perspective a lot.

The theory about the knots on the Lackless box being worn away seems solid. Nobody recognized them as Yllish(sp?) knots because they don't feel them. Remember when Kvothe recalls discussing with Denna that she's learning knots, there's a line about him learning to sight-read them and she says he's doing it wrong. Might uniquely position Kvothe to recognize and read them when others couldn't.

After he calls the wind the first time he basically goes catatonic, and we learn that it's a common side effect of the sleeping mind awakening for the first time. We can infer from that, that the first time he calls the wind, is the first time his sleeping mind awakens. Not when he's in the forest, or when he's in Tarbean. He didn't seem to handle it better than anyone else, so it's not like his mind had been trained or prepared by what happened to him in his youth.

This is amazing. I just finished my 2nd reread. I thought Bast is the one trying to re awaken him and Reshi has already given up. And also what if Denna got hurt or died or he thinks she died or something bad hapoened to her becayse of him and thats why he hid away. Denna really is a big motivator for him.

It seems to me that Arladen probably found his way to the university in his research of the chandrian. They probably met... and Kvothe being clearly an orphan inherently tells the tale of the end of his father. He may be trying to protect Kvothe by dissueding him.

I think Kvothe’s arrow-catch provides an additional way he has become wealthy; there is a WAR going on, in the frame. Assuming the university is still standing, something like that would probably be making him hella money. However, if everyone thinks he’s dead, perhaps that isn’t it, unless he bequeathed his royalties to Kote.

40:35 RE: putting a mirror on shoe for strategic reconnaissance - Isn’t that what John Candy did in Splash? I remember him “dropping” change then physically getting on the ground to look, but thought he used a mirror as an adult, it’s been many years since I saw that movie, it was IN the 80’s. It’s just one of those weird things that you remember, one of the very few things I remember about it

He may have created the Fae, but remember felurian talks of a time in the cities before the Fae

Actually I find this really interesting because I think the Adema Rhu are a play off The Romani the origin story is the Rom were cast out exile survivors of Rome so my running idea is the Rhu and the Adem Tempi's folks where once part of the same kind of empire but culturally ended up diverging from each other in one key aspect the Adem hold in emotion and treasure silence and stillness the Adema Rhu love storiees and performance making people feel things and see themselves as kind of cultural custodians of all kinds of stories

I mean the way it was described with Jaxsom being flippant I think it was just simple negligence over cautiousness because when something is super frosted and then it gets superheated typically structures get kind of fragile and breakable Now do I think sometimes people like Stale take advantage of these kind of industrial accidents most certainly

I am sure as I can be that Encanis is the Cthaeh, or the other way around if you prefer. As you pointed out, the language, the phrasing (biting and breaking), but also Tehlu and the iron wheel. Tehlu pinning him to the wheel is analogous to the Cthaeh being trapped in the tree. The tree is almost certainly roah wood. Probably has a high iron content, (remember how hard it was to burn for the blacksmith who made the mounting board for Folly.) The Cthaeh at one point says, "do not try to PIN me with small names boy." It's a small thing, but the word PIN stuck out to me, really the only other times in the book PIN is used is the description of Tehlu pinning him to the wheel. One interesting thing I thought of is, what if Tehlu is trapped in the tree with the Cthaeh, and that is why he cannot lie? In the story, Tehlu stays pinned with the wheel to keep Encanis on it. Maybe they fused together in the fire somehow.

Is it just me, or could there be a sinister undertone in Kote/Kvothe telling Aaron "I'll tell you stories nobody will ever hear again"? Because if chronicler publishes the text he's compiling, then all sorts of people will hear the stories he's telling.

I argue that Heliax wasn't calling Cinders name, Ferula is the name of iron. Why? Think of the preceding chapter in the frame story. The reaction was the same between Bast/Cinder. And it's more proof that "Kote" can't use his sleeping mind so only heard iron, but Kvothe at that time was using his sleeping mind and heard Ferula (iron is FE on the periodic table, FE for Ferrus) instead of Iron. Presented for your consideration.

What if I said I could prove pretty convincingly that Ferule/Ferula is not Cinder's name?

After listening to the depth you’ve added to Kilvin’s character, I think Rothfuss made a mistake. Clearly, Kilvin is the main character of this story.

I think the moons on the pot are related to timing, from the Lackless poem (“one, a time that must be right”)

I skimmed over a couple parts of this video so I don't know if you go into it, but Rothfuss has said that he added a ton of stuff to book 2 that was never planned. Notably one of the things he added to book 2 was Tak. This could imply that Bredon was also a late addition to book 2. If that's true, then Denna's patron was probably originally supposed to be Cinder, but Rothfuss changed his mind when he added Bredon.

Can't believe I never thought about why the birds would be called Calanthis.. Just to back up the theory even more, the new king is also called the poet king, which would also point to the Maer.

45:00 I think the true enemy of the story is the Cthaeh/Encanis. He is the driving force in so much death. Prior to being trapped in the tree, he could lie, thus being able to trick anyone into doing the most despicable things. He started the creation war, created the 7, and put Kvothe on the path to disaster.

25:00 it seems like trapis is telling the story from the church that is currently in power. It is where Teluh came down and started the church while chasing demons.