Have had a triplex for about 5 years. Wasn’t aware of the offset trio. I’ve only ever used it as a single or 2 person, 3 would work but definitely see advantage of the offset if you are with 3. For 2 I think I like the triplex over the offset due to each person having a big vestibule to keep their pack etc. also 3 adults is just a weird number of people for a tent. Who are these 3 ppl? Close friends? A couple and their platonic 3rd wheel? I’ve only ever camped with my date or myself or a buddy. If I had 2 buddies we’d each be in our own tent.
Offset Trio is less than a year old, so you likely wouldn't have been aware. The bigger vestibule on Triplex is nice, but it's not exactly a huge one, and there is enough extra volume in Offset Trio that it becomes preferable to store gear inside rather than outside anyway. Not here to say how people should use their 3P tents, but we'd guess that most common scenario is two people who just want extra space, followed by two parents and a kid, or two people and a dog, followed by three friends. If there was a survey, we'd be curious to find out the stats too!
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You guys helped sell me on this tent. I have an original Durston X-mid Pro 2, which has been great, but I had some trouble fitting into smaller tent sites at times. I can do a "skinny pitch" with it, but I really don't like that setup. I love the palacial experience of sleeping in a larger tent, so this seemed as close as I could get to that in a 1P setup that also takes up a lot less space than my X-mid. I'll still keep/use the X-mid a ton, but this should be great when I want to ensure I can fit in any spot available. Really looking forward to trying it out! Quick question, I ended up deciding on the Offset Solo over the Altaplex due to the better/more convenient feature set, but it also seems like the Altaplex requires a lot of space around it for stakes. Would it be accurate to say that the stake-out points on the Altaplex require more space around the tent than those of the Offset Solo? Basically, seemed to me like the Offset Solo might actually be easier to fit in small spaces that have bushes or rocks around that might get in the way of stake-out points.
Phenomenal tents, you have great taste! Altaplex and Offset Solo are similarly sized in terms of how they fit into spaces, but yeah, technically the Altaplex has a marginally wider floor plan with no taper, while Offset Solo is a bit narrower and tapers so it would fit better. But more importantly Offset Solo has steeper sidewalls and a higher interior volume, so feels bigger inside.
I bought the MSR PocketRocket 2 (not deluxe). Room temp 16oz bottle water, 71 f outside using a 100g fuel canister at 100 ft sea level. Lit stove on a very low simmer, poured in 16 oz water into the Stash pot.. lifted Stash Pot onto PocketRocket 2, and cranked it to HIGH and timer on!.. 1 min 17 sec. 450g fuel canister resulted in 62 seconds. (again 71f outside). Stoves that will fit (I tested the fit of these 3 stoves) in the Stash like the origional stove will be " GSI Outdoors Pinnacle Canister Stove " , " MSR PocketRocked 2 stove " and " Snow Peak LiteMax Stove ". Snow Peak pot stands fold like the Stash burner, 3 together.
Not personally, but looks similar to all-in-one models from Jetboil and MSR. Generally good heat output and fuel economy, but not quite SuperStove/FrankenStove levels, and twice as heavy.
I love my Jetboil Stash but it struggled heavily at -8°F on a trip. My go to for three seasons is the OmniLite Ti and white gas. My best four season and storm performing stove is a Trangia 25 with a Nova burner using an amish mix of kero and white gas (75/25). The Trangia works in 80mph sustained winds with up to 140mph gusts (tested during a hurricane). My absolute performer, ease of use with a glove, etc stove for cold weather and 100% reliability is an Optimus 111 burning kero.
By itself, an AD hoodie runs a bit of mosquito interference, but the lattice weave is so open that once they a find a landing spot in between lofted tufts, they can def bite through. If you have a windbreaker overtop though, you're pretty much mosquito proof.
Thanks for the detailed information. I am planning on using for a slightly different situation, that is probably less common, but I'm sure not uncommon. I want to be able to go to places that out of cell phone range, but be able to receive emergency text messages. (I'm helping care for some sick family members) So in case of emergency, I can quickly pack up and head home. Usually I am not backpacking so weight is not an issue. It seems like the zoleo is the obvious answer since my primary use case is someone texting me in emergency and I'm able to get the text, despite being out of cell phone range.
it's funny that you refer to that lightweight mummy bag as a "traditional" bag. Traditional bags to me have a wide cut and they use cotton or other fabrics for insulation, which work without needing a sleeping pad but they're heavy as hell.compared to modern bags and they don't pack down.
I’m surprised Bulin remote canister stoves don’t get compared in these line ups - at a lower price point they offer similar systems to that MSR reactor & jetboil with faster boil times.
Fair question. It would have made the Triplex a bit bigger, though definitely not a gamer changer level. It still would not be as big as offset trio. You also have to be careful not to pull them too taut though, since they're not reinforced as well as the trio's foot end, and thus more likely to damage the tent. Using those guyouts adds stake weight and set up time. And at time of video shoot, it wasn't windy so that aspect didn't matter.
Really great overview. I was looking at the Offset solo for my "just me" trips but wound up getting the new Duplex Lite for the better interior space. I did add the end poles that the offset series uses to get more interior room if I dont want to use the "find a stick to use as a prop" that I'd been using previously with the Gossamer Gear The One I was replacing.
Thanks, friend! Yes, the Duplex Lite and Offset Solo occupy a very similar space, despite technically being different capacities. We may have to do a similar video comparing the best 1P options from across the entire Zpacks line. IMO, the bigger reason to choose Duplex Lite is that it is lighter and less expensive. While it is 1.5 sq ft larger interior floor area, Offset Solo has better headroom, which kinds of makes it a wash when you compare interior volume vs interior volume. Clever to use the offset poles with it though. Hadn't thought of that.
You've got a major flaw with your methods. You didn't control for gas canister size. The smaller canisters are going to get cold faster, and that is going to affect the efficiency to a higher degree, especially in the stoves without regulators. You should use all the same kinds of gas in the same size can with the same amount of gas in each can to control for those three variables. The level of gas in a canister can also have a large effect. Unfortunately, your data here is not good because you have way too many variables.
Thanks for your feedback. The testing was conducted with the same 16 oz canisters as seen around the 7 minute mark in the video. The mixed canisters you're seeing in the intro are just for show.
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I used this combo all of '23 for over 30 days from mid summer temperatures down to ~ 25F. The fuel efficiency is great, it works well in wind, the pot is an ideal size, and I like that it's aluminum so I can do some slow cooking directly in the pot if I want (though I just freezer bag cook). This spring I'm going to dremel some grooves in the base to drop the pot down (like the Firemaple) so the burner is closer to the pot's bottom. I figure this will help even more in wind and shouldn't cause any flame quenching because the PRD is designed to work that close to a pot. Care will be needed to not overheat the fins though, but that's easy to watch for. All in all a great combo. Expensive but I'm glad I sprang for it.
Surprised there is no mention of the Petrel. With a Windmaster TriFlex it's considerably cheaper than a jetboil, and the stove and canister both nest inside the pot. The problem with the stash pot is it is quite unstable on stoves not designed for it. The Petrel has slots that make the whole thing much more secure. Only downside is if you want to carry a 230g canister, it won't fit inside the Petrel.
This was shot before the Petrel came out and we will be testing it soon and integrating into our content. Really keen on those slots, also how they lower the pot closer to flame, in addition to security. That being said, we do have a preference towards slightly larger pots than the Petrel - easier to cook in, less prone to spilling over, easier to out of, easier to clean, better for mixed 1-2p use.
@@adventure_alan_co The Petrel is actually larger volume than their marketing says it is. The volume of the Stash and the Petrel in reality is almost identical. Petrel is narrower and taller, Stash squattier.
@@ddff5242 We've since tested the petrel, and agreed it's the best value proposition and is featured in our gear lists. However, the narrower diameter base yields a slightly inferior performance compared to Stash, as it allows more heat to escape out the sides, despite the heat exchanger.
One of my favorite canister stove combos as far as wind resistance and fuel economy is the Soto Windmaster with the Fire Maple .8L XT1 kettle with heat exchanger technology. This kettle is fairly wide at 5 3/4 inches. It would be a little awkward to cook in it but for boiling water it works for me.
Thanks for the suggestion, we may have to try that! Definitely like the heat efficiency of the wider base of the kettle and of course SWM is an excellent stove. Don't love the 8.5 oz weight of the kettle, 2 oz heavier than their 1L pot, and difficult to eat out of and clean.
While the Soto Windmaster is a slightly better value than MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe, to call PRD a waste of money is hyperbole. PRD is the best burner we've ever used, and our current go-to based on performance and user-friendliness.
Just bought the soto windmaster from REI - 20% off for members so got it for $55 and free shipping! I had rewards that are now online and so it was essentially free - bought the Olicamp heat exchange pot for $32 plus tax and free shipping on Amazon - so the whole thing for $87 plus about 6 or 7 bucks for the canister so about $93 for everything - Thanks for your ratings - saved me a lot of time
MSR Windburner is really good (though we have a slight preference towards Jetboil MiniMo - a very similar stove), but the bar is higher now than either of them. SuperStoves like FrankenStove are lighter, boil faster, and more fuel efficient.
Soto came out with the regulars many years ago. Put canisters in a fish aquarium with water, then add ice and see with one burns with high flame. Soto!
Haven't tried that one! Thanks for the tip. It does look Stash-like. First impressions are the burner unit looks a cut below MSR PRD and SWM, but similar to Stash. Don't love a frypan lid, but you could of course fashion a foil lid of your own to replace. Interesting...
I am wondering what weight Alpha Direct fleece you are using? (60,90,120?). I have just purchased a 90 weight Senchi hoody (4oz) with half zip and first impressions are very good but I need to accumulate experience with it. I am pairing it with an Arcteryx Squamish windbreaker (5.5oz). The combination seems to layer well with my Montbell sun hoody. This saves 9 ounces from my usual fleece/rain parka combination and breathes much better for active wear. The windbreaker doubles as a bug shirt.
Great question! Glad you like it so far! We have a strong preference towards the 90gsm weight, so glad to hear that's what you chose too. 60 gsm feels a bit too airy/not warm enough to be all-purpose, and we'd limit use of 120gsm to shoulder season/winter.
Thank you for doing this. There are many reasons to buy a system - cost, performance, versatility, etc. If this is about time to boil water in cold and wind, please try the MSR windburner. It should be at the top of the list given those conditions are what it was designed for. Also, the MSR deluxe burner is a design copy of the Soto Windmaster, not the other way around.
Thanks for watching! In our experience and testing, MSR PRD + a heat exchanger pot is more efficient than Windburner system, which is also heavier and more expensive. MSR PRD did iterate on SWM design, not suggesting otherwise. We simply prefer the MSR iteration.
Fire Maple is on our radar, we'll be testing the Petrel this spring! Looking at the Firemaple site, they are only selling a 1000ml version (which we definitely like, and which identical to the Olicamp)
Well I think a white gas stove is certainly the best in very cold conditions. Not to mention it's more environmentally friendly without all those throw away fuel canisters.
Love the comparisons! My only two cents is that the Soto Windmaster with the tri-flex is the lowest weight for the best performance. The pocket rocket deluxe is a copycat made by MSR to compete with the Windmaster, but its igniter is less reliable and it weighs significantly more than the Windmaster (when paired with the tri-flex). The Windmaster’s igniter never ever fails, it’s like magic, I don’t know how they do it.
To each their own and we get it on the weight saving. Alan and I both prefer the MSR PRD for being less fiddly and better balanced than triflex arms, regardless of whether or not the burner unit on the whole is an iterative copy design. We view the quality of the pietzo ignitor as largely inconsequential. PRD's ignitor seems fine and works well enough in our backcountry use. Even if SWM's ignitor is better, that's not a key feature to evaluate based on, and we still have a lighter as backup anyway.
