I Was Wrong About Ben's Ancient Egyptian Vases UnchartedX 

I have lots of respect for people I disagree with, like Ben, Jim, Graham... We all have different opinions here in the alternate history space. I don't 'lose faith' in people because they see things differently than I do. I'm not going through all the comments that disagree with me and arguing, sorry. If you think the vases are the product of higher tech than I do, I don't think you're a lost cause, stupid, or even doing poor research. I think you see things differently than I. I hope you can handle someone seeing things differently than you.

The tolerances of the vases would require exceptional strong tool holding, very strong and precise bearings and cutters harder than quartz, all signs of a technology higher than 17th or 18th century, I still think you have misjudged the difficulty..

This makes me so happy. I have done high precision manufacturing. These vases were made by a machine... Infact he just put out a video where one's base is so circular it is only off a 4th of a micron..... Bacteria are bigger than this. Computers were needed for this. Its impossible otherwise. Period. Unless you have done any work like this... Your opinion on it is as good as your brain surgery advice. It means literally nothing. Because you couldn't possibly have any idea of what it truly takes to create something like this.

Ben van Kerckwyk provides hard evidence, but even that doesn’t seem enough. When will we admit it’s impossible to make these vases by hand? The precision is so fine you can’t even see it with the naked eye? Yet people still claim they were handmade. No matter how much solid evidence comes out, it’s never enough because people are stuck in their beliefs. We’re taught one version of history, anything different gets rejected. But more and more evidence is coming out that challenges our timeline, shouldn’t we start questioning it?

love the fact you posted a video correcting YOURSELF! You won't see Flint Dipple doing this.............. much respect.

Don't say that I didn't warn you on that video, I left quite a long comment there, lol. However... This isn't the first time you admit that you were wrong, and this is EXACTLY how a sceptic should be, just like you. You did/said something wrong, and revise it with new information obtained. Not clinging to their argument and creating lies, or nitpicking some facts to strengthen their stance. Ben has a lot of woo woos, but people gotta admit, what he and the Dunns did on those vases are phenomenal, and deserve recognition. What they did was a foundation for many things to come. Keep being you, Dan. You gotta show em, this is how you take a logical stance. God, I'm glad I subscribed to your channel, Dan.

Thank you for correcting this. As someone who works with this tech, the original comments really rubbed me wrong and made me wonder where that stance was from. They’re doing top tier work with these vases and doing it exactly how high end manufacturing does it

DeDunking - Love your work Brother, Love your Opinions, however this used to be my job for 6 years, in fact, not to toot my own horn but I made several parts that were used in multiple NASA projects, yes several of those parts were used in their probes and rockets, no I don't know which ones, and some in their Heat & Blast Deflectors. I've made hundreds of thousands of Bearings and Bushings to Micron Tolerances and cut all sorts of materials with Carbide, Diamond, Plasma, Abrasive Waters/Acids, and Yes, I have used Photon Scanners for about 15-16 Months at one of my old companies - I will tell you for certain, I consider myself a very well versed machinist and programmer, the job I used to do was pretty specialised, you rarely get an Engineer, that can also program the machine tech he works with, they just understand how to operate and press Go, they do not understand the Programming nor the true need for the Functions used in their machine. I apologise for any spelling errors, I don't have time to proof read this comment but please everyone who reads this really take the time to absorb some of the information and go online and read the basics into these subjects listed, and you'll see very quickly that saying something and doing something are VERY different things. Cutting Materials this Hard - Requires Precision Engineered Bearings and Guides, as well as Cutting Tips, that can withstand High Frequency Micro-Elevation Ossilation, on a Surface, at Precision Tolerance, without Deviation or lack of Concentricity, on a Material that is Incredibly Unforgiving, Due to it's Hardness Factor. This is Impossible without these Custom Made, Precision Toolings, I promise you that much Sir. Modern Lathes will use something called a Servo-MultiStepper, as well as precision cut tips, to increasingly create More and More Precise Tooling, for More and More Precise Tasks. a Multi-Stepper would either require a CPU and Electrification to do this, or Tens of Thousands of Hours of Manual Calculation and Adjustment. To get any understanding of how Impossible this truly is, Read Up On how a Multistepper is Programmed and Functions, and you'll quickly realise that Simultanious Movement is not something Easy to Achieve, even by todays standards. I have just realised that I know far too much about this particular topic to easily condense and explain several important points but I will do my best; 1.) In order to make the Tips necessary to cut Granite Materials you need Diamond, or another High Strength, High Hardness Carbon Material, Lazer Light, a 30,000psi Jet of Abrasive Water/Acid, or the state of matter known as Plasma. Non of these things will just cut the thing you want cut, No, You must Process them into usable tooling, with Diamond for example, you must fashion a Cutting Tip, and then Bind that Cutting Tip to a Face that can be connected to the Machining Arms. For Water, you must Channel it through Precision, High Pressure Tested, Typically Seamless, Alloyed Metal Piping, which requires Rubber Gaskets and High Pressure Valving, often as well a Micro Sized Pin/Flange on the Valve Mouth. 2.) Lathes do not cut things, Cutting Tips Cut Things, Lathes, Rotate and Glide an object along an Axial Plane at High RPM (NOT SPEED, REVOLUTIONS PER MINUTE). This is an Exceptionally Important Distinction. Beyond anything else. Lathes have multiple Axial Planes X,Y,Z,(-X,-Y,-Z), Tilt and Rotation (R) and t(Time) is a Decent way of thinking about a 5-Axis-Bed over Time. the Lathe used to cut this vase didn't just 'Spinny Spin' around some chunk of granite, it traveled 3 distinct Axial Planes: X(Horizontally) Y(Vertically) and Z(Depthwise), at exceptionally high RPM. To do this you need Precision Gears that do not warp or crack under high pressure and angular momentum. Now I've already written way more than I have time for today so I'm going to condense this down really far. A Gear is a Circle, with Teeth, there are 360 Degrees of Seperation in a Circle, lets say 100 Teeth per Gear, that 3.6 Degrees per Tooth, say the Circumference of the circle is 100cm, thats 1cm per Tooth, which means each cm you travel you move 3.6 Degrees on the Perimeter of the Circle, in order to move lets say 1mm or roughly the width of this line || (and I'm being very Generous with that line), Would require teeth with an arc angle equal to 1mm, this is not something you can make by hand - You require Advanced Understanding of Geometry, Tooling, Advanced Metallurgy (For Hardness and Strength of Teeth and Gears) and Chemical Engineering (Treating Metals and Acid Cleaning Metal Faces) for smoothness, concentricity and strength and hardness. Now I could literally Talk and Talk, All Day and All Night about this subject, but I have things to do and have very much realised that I know way more Primer Information about this topic than most, so I have to go down to the nitty gritty and break apart fundamental pieces of information for this stuff to become Elucidated. The Vase being anything other than Machine Cut with Advanced Drilling and Cutting Technology is Anti-Logical and also Ridicuous to anyone who has done this as a job for more than a Year. I Love Your Work Sir, Please Continue! and Please Continue to be honest, as you have been! Take Care!

It takes courage and mostly putting aside ones ego to admit mistakes. Shows what kind of person you are. Respect.

Dan, I enjoy your discussions and I appreciate the fact that you took the time to correct a previous error. However, to state that this was made on a simple lathe is somewhat missing the point of what you have in front of you. If these objects were easily manufactured on simple lathes I would currently be able to buy a translucent vase made from granite, or some similarly hard material, for £20 on Amazon. The fact that I cannot tells you immediately that these objects are bizarre and warrant a "drop everything else and concentrate on this" approach. I still cannot for the life of me understand why this has not happened.

@dedunking you are an admirable dude. In today’s world, almost no one can admit they were wrong , almost no one apologizes, and no one goes back and corrects their work. you care about what’s right and that’s why people follow you. well done. Keep up the great work!

How can you still think that such level of precision and thinness in hard to work material like granite is somehow achievable on primitive belt-driven lathe? I dont't think you truly understand just how anomalous those objects are. You are right though that Ben et al. made a very important discovery.

Glad that you apologized for getting something wrong regarding the data, but I must say that I'm sad to see that your position on the vases hasn't changed. Even with a primitive wooden lathe, you still are not going to be able to achieve this level of accuracy consistently throughout the material (and definitely not in multiple instances). As you said yourself, humans can't even visually percieve that level of detail. Which beings me to my point, that you're only thinking about half of the story here. Even if they did have a primitive lathe, how were they able to check their work if they can't do it visually? They have to check it somehow to know if they did it accurately or not. Not only that, but if you go check out Ben's presentation at Cosmic Summit 2023, he shows how every single curve on the vase can be defined by a mathemetical equation... There's only one single thing in our modern world that can take a numerical input, and make a 3D material output representation of that numerocal input. Do you see what I'm getting at here? It's undeniable once you give it an honest thought (not to suggest that you haven't). EDIT: If you want another indisputable example of ancient structures being explained away and attributed to people that are said to have used tools that aren't capable of such accuracy, check out the recent documentary by Back to BAM about the Barabar caves in India. The team a ton of data from all the caves and took them to master stonemasons throughout Europe, and they said that they were not sure that they could even accomplish what they did back then with all our tech and knowledge today. They also have some very important functions when it comes to sound that relates to something that I've been hinting at in your comments sections.

So u still think that these were turned on a wood lathe? What materiel was the cutting tool? What could be the work holding mechanism? Did they have a compound to cut the inner dimensions of the vase so precisely? I’m curious to see a wooden design of a lathe with such capabilities. I hope you dive deeper into the machining world, people look to you for information and conclusions, best to equip your self with a hands-on understanding of todays precision technology and capabilities to truly understand how to reverse engineer precision artifacts.

Very cool seeing people correcting past mistakes. Cheers good sir.

Glad you are re-visiting your opinions about this. I think these vases are every bit as hugely important as the Dunns and Ben et al do. These stone objects require more than just a lathe and a skilled pair of hands to make though.

Ben makes a good point, never addressed. If the claim is made that the vases were made with X primitive tools, its not on ben to prove that the Egyptians used these primitive tools, but on the people making the claim. Every single person does the same thing in this subject.

Maybe get someone in industry to make something very similar without modern technology.... IF you can.

The perfect example of why civil discourse is needed. Two different takes where information is exchanged and given. The way every "argument" should be.

It is strange watching academic archaeologist scholars, whatever and when the public shows interest or starts looking into the very thing, they know instead of like embracing it and talking and hashing it out, they just smash and criticize, and we could all be having fun talking about this

Good on you, the precision is pretty impressive especially for stone work. I worked in a machine shop briefly as a young man. Keeping things within a couple thousands of inch takes some pretty good equipment and a highly skilled individual to pull it off. Very good tools are implied here.

YOU WERE NITPICKING FOR THE SAKE OF IT. IT SEEMS YOURE SMART BUT HAVE NO COMMON SENSE. SHOCKING. BUT YOU GUYS QUESTION BEN ALL YOU WANT BUT YOURE REACHING SO HARD EVEN THO YOU KNOW DAMN WELL THOSE VASES ARENT HAND MADE AS EVERY EGYPTOLOGIST SAYS...PERIOD, SCREW YOUR DATA POINTS AND BEING A BIG BABY. BE 10% BETTER

Only absolute fucking giga chads *sincerely* admit their own mistakes in an online video and apologize. From what I understand not the first time either. Individual integrity is almost as rare as brain cells these days. Rustling up a Ko-Fi ☕

should spend more time with somebody who operates a Haas CNC, and ask him what he thinks about the vases. Those where NOT made on a normal and certanly not on a first of the machine tries for a Lathe

Can you DeDunk the World of Antiquity video about the vases now that you have learned more about it? Please 🙏🏻

Question: Might the fact that the holes in the lug handles seem to have been done later (assumption based on the visually asymmetrical placement of the holes, presumably due to the hole being drilled straight through something that's slightly curved) and therefore producing data points that aren't relevant to the symmetry of the rest of the vase? Seems like the kind of thing that given the accuracy of light measurement could skew the overall data on what is otherwise almost perfect symmetry. Just a thought. 🧐

This is why i subbed, your integrity & willness to self correct {while still tackling big issues of our real past vs what trending in tenure},

The lugs are still a problem for the lathe theory. Everything between the lugs would have to be hand finished. You would expect even more imprecision in those areas - which doesn't really exist. I took the model into a modeling program and superimposed a simple sphere primitive (i.e. a perfect spheroid). The results were astonishing. I posted the image on one of Uncharted's early tweets when he posted the model.

Thanks for owning this. Public contrition is rare and we all applaud you for doing this. However... ...Just like the MSM, the original erroneous front-page 'debunk' fact-check is all that most ever see, as it was on the front page/evening news. Then the playbook enters: the routine and comical retraction (after getting busted) gets thrown to small print on page 3, weeks or months later. 'Oops we were wrong.' Like I am doing here, it's 100x easier to criticize than to create, or even think critically. The Vases are almost another form of the rosetta stone, but on a whole 'nother level.

How the tool is powered isn't the issue. You can't get a precision turned component without precision tooling. The work holding alone requires this. It's extremely difficult to get concentricity all over a workpiece when you are having to remove it from it's clamping to turn it around. These vases would need a novel form of work holding to account for the fragility of the material and the need to machine every surface concentrically, let alone account for the lug handles. This is not a simple exercise at all, especially seeing that they aren't mass produced to be the same dimensions.

If you do ANY amount of 3d modeling in a software like blender for example you'll quickly come across a very basic transformation called remeshing. The software can take your shape, and just change the number of vertices or change the number of triangles that describe that shape. This is totally fine, and this is usually done to reduce the file size. Basically, the same shape can be described with a 1.000.000 triangles, or with 1.000 triangles, and there's hardly ANY difference. Now, below a certain threshold, if the triangle count is too low, the differences will become more and more visible. Just by looking at it, I'd say that the handles could have a triangle count as low as 500 or 1.000 without losing hardly any precision at all. Above that very basic threshold, adding more triangles won't really change the precision at all. There is a law of diminishing returns here. When you're talking about 40 data points vs 35 data point the difference is huge because your number of measurements is very close to zero. At that point you're talking about something called a "low poly" 3d model, which is a kind of an art style. Like, what's the fewest number of triangles that will still give you a discernable shape. Almost like an origami. Try making a shape that's relatively simple like a vase handle, and I'd say that a thousand triangles is PLENTY. Anything above that is extra that doesn't really add mouch to the overall precision you're trying to make. Add in an engineering margin of 2x or 3x for safety and you're talking about the amount of points that they actually measured. When you're talking about numbers that are sufficiently far from zero, then 3.000 or 4.000 or even 10.000 is essentially the same number. The accuracy will be very nearly identical. Why the different number of points? Every method has its quirks. The important thing is that they, as far as I can tell, did their due diligence to account for that.

We are not suggesting that the Egyptians had solid use of the "Lathe", but had no idea about the use of the "Wheel" are we?

If this was the work of a primitive lathe, then replicating the same level of precision with a modern lathe should be a breeze... or at least doable. Which it isn't. That's the whole point of measuring an ancient vase vs. a modern vase. By your focusing on their measurement of an ancient vase, and ignoring their measurement of a modern vase you're dunking on their whole argument for whatever reason.

Great work Dan! If only mainstream archaeologists would be as open and honest when they make mistakes or in one particular “experts” case (no names mentioned 😂) when they blatantly lie!

I have to wonder how to build a lathe without ball bearings and still maintain precision. Copper or brass tube bearings greased to support a spinning shaft? How well would that work? It would be easy to test with a dial indicator.

The next question is how did the Egyptians lose knowledge of the lathe for millennia?

Keep making honest content, and I'll keep watching :)

I dont believe theres any way, that these vases could have been carved with the tools they are claiming they were carved with, at a time when egypt didnt have the wheel.

We can't make those today on a lathe.

It's been an hour or so... where's that one guy who calls you and everyone else stupid and liars no matter what the subject is?

Nothing wrong with skepticism. The very thing that caused this kind of research in the first place. It doesn't really matter who wants to claim that anyone is trying to cheat, there will always be some that don't want to believe for one reason or another. However, for me personally, find anyone who can recreate these objects by hand and with documentation, please, show us and it might change my mind. I have not found anyone who is even close. There is far more evidence of ancient tools around, and in places hand tools aren't likely going to be used. I do not think the ancient Egyptians did this work, they documented way too much stuff to not have any info on how this was done. Even the Egyptian authorities state some of these items are older than the dynastic Egyptians. Is it really that hard to imagine civilizations have been completely erased from this planet? We still occasionally find ones that we had no idea about.

Isn't a lathe a couple thousand years before its time by definition "high technology" for it's time? We're into semantics now of course.

Great video, got to respect a guy who can say oops I f-d up a bit. I think it comes when you don't carry the arrogance of a doctorate from some over blown hyped up educational facility lol.

Also, would there be a time gap where predynastic or old kngdom had an advanced lathe, then later in the middle or new kingdom? If so, why? And what was egypt like back when this original advanced lathe was used?

The world's best dedunker would just have to produce one of these vases without todays technology. Good luck😂

It's not just about whether they had the lathe or not it's more about what type of lathe they had. To maintain circularity within the tolerances of the vase the lathe spindle must have been spinning in machined high precision bearings in order to maintain workpiece centricity relative to the cutting tool. These bearings were developed during the 19th century for exactly that purpose and modern machine lathes all have them. Just spinning a lubricated wooden or metal shaft in a hole in a wooden or metal block cannot produce the rotational stability required. It needs precision bearings. So kicking the can down the road how the hell did they make precision lathe bearings?

These are not able to be made with a primitive belt driven lathe. Also the modern screw lathe wasn’t invented until the mid 1700s

How much was done back in the day that resembled the Flint Stones? Relatively "high" tech without electricity, or not much of it. Perhaps the "stone age" was not all that much different than now in the way humans tackle problems. Ropes and pullies along with a knowledge of gears could accomplish much without the use of electricity. Fire and water two other key factors in working with rock. It is refreshing to see someone actually own up to a mistake, let alone apologize. YT thought I should watch your vid so I did. New sub here. Been following Ben and Randall for some time now.

Worked with a couple people scanning vehicles for part reproduction, they would dust the reflective surfaces(windows/painted surfaces, light lenses) with baby powder or cornstarch to counteract the reflections as much as possible.

Dan, you are an electrician and I am an Industrial Designer…I use a CAD called Rhino 3d. It is a t-spline/nurbs/surface program. When I BUILD things like a game controller you model it as a surface object, but then to CNC or 3d print you must make a GEOMETRIC MESH of your surfaces, this is an APPROXIMATION RESOLUTION. The computers/scanners cheat by reducing facets, not actually reading the volume. So reverse engineering from a “scanner” is only used by novice cheaters to get APPROXIMATE faceted resolution…so approximating the “points” isn’t a big deal just for learning the form…that’s all you will ever get until we have non-binary CPU’s that actually use natural shapes. Hope that helps.😊🤙🏼✌🏼

lol you are sticking to the lathe and lol a foot powered lathe that could produce these results. Dam son open you eyes....

"Light scanners use light...to scan things." WHAT?! I'm legitimately surprised here. Curse you DeDunking for ruining my life! *This may (or may not) be joke.

Great job, this is what you’ll see at all of these granite ancient megalithic sites. The tools attributed to the civilization can not by any means explain the process

I love the fact that you will be at the cosmic summit. It shows that the non mainstream historians are willing to debate a sceptic and even give one a platform.

A lathe cannot be used, because you couldn't make the handles. Now go watch Ben's recent video where they scan them with an electron microscope and find titanium.

The problem you're running into with this opinion is that in order to produce something accurate you need to be able to measure accurate. If you can show, with 'primitive' lathes...which would wobble to high heaven...that they could put it on a lathe, cut it with primitive tools, aka another stone to grind it down. Then here is the kicker...MEASURE it, to know when to stop etc, with high precision, then you have something. If my measuring is only good to 1mm, then I could only produce accuracy of 1mm. My digital calipers have an error of 0.3mm+-, meaning i can be off by as much as 0.6mm with them. I don't think ancient Egyptians had more precise measuring tools that we do today. And certainly not in use for vases. Not saying Egyptians didn't do it, but they had techniques that we cannot replicate, without the use of lasers. In fact, we wouldn't know the accuracy of these vases without literal light scanning beaming technology, but you want to believe a primitive lathe just produced them without measurement checks ...come on.

The fact that you're still sort of holding onto the fact that they had devised a primitive lath that could cut to the accuracy published, man-powered is equally impossible, there's no way you could turn anything without a judder mark without using an abrasive and yes, they lived surrounded by an abrasive to attempt to remove them or show any sign or evidence one was used. Not a chance, though saying that. Whoever had the technical knowledge, skills, and tools to construct The King's chamber in the Great Pyramid certainly could have mass-produced the vases.🤔

Accuracy aside. How were such hard stonesmachined or carved by hand? Many have inclusions that have different hardness as well. Which adds a new level of difficulty. These vases were also found in the 10's of thousands which means they were somehow mass produced. Good info here, but many questions remain.

I think you should deeply consider the posture of “debunking”. I think you will see it is as ridiculous as the posture of “true believer”. We all need skepticism, awe, and belief in roughly equal measure. When we become too attached to any one of those things we will soon be lost.

Thus technology still exists and doesn't require measurements. It is used to copy sculptures blocks. It's really simple with something round or oval. A fixed point is used, it the case of round objects the fixed point is the center and it will be rotated. A silhouette is cut out of something flat to fit the end shape of the intended thing. The stone is carved away untill the silhouette fits then the stone is rotated and it is carved again. A rough cut out can be made by unskilled people and finished by skilled people. The same idea is used with clay but the silhouette can do the shaping instead of carving it to fix. But I wrote this before I finished the video and you probably already know this

Would you call the contraption that scientists against myths used a lathe that breaks the understanding of egyptian history? I would not. Ben is not doing a service to science or whatever...the way these rare vases could have been done has been explained several times without the need for Ben's absolute bs....he is not the great knowledgeable individual coming to the rescue of ancient understanding, he is a grifter that was peddling fantastical bs about high level tech while stripping the actual creators of any skillsets or knowledge. People that think they are the saviour of the truth and are the ones that really understand things while everybody else doesn't or is hiding behind some type of dogma......over the bs and defence of it.

That disparity in the point count is not gonna make any difference in the similarity algorithm, because most algorithms subsample the data anyways to compare it, secondly after the 1000k points threshold is very difficult to really find measurement errors like that, even when they clean the data, they do need to clean the extreme points before the alignment, and this a standard procedure in any science. Also it just good enough to have 10 points that are very close to each other in both sides to proof the precision of fabrication. Those vases are very obviously the Jars that contain the heart when is weighted in the Book of the death, and Im not surprise if they are precise, the egyptians could very easily have a lathe and use the water of the Nile to power it.

Thanks for the correction, but I wonder how it is possible to turn a stone vase with handles on a lathe ? Surely, this is impossible due to logic. The handles weren't stuck on after like a clay pot. Or am I missing something ?

Retractions are a sign of strength

Just wish a few others would take a lesson from you... Regarding the lathe, I take it you are aware of the pole lathe or sometimes known as the spring pole lathe could be used with abrasive or harder rock tools

Ben is full of it .....Dude says the Gosford Glyphs are a real thing. Kudos to you for apologising but don't change the fact Ben is full of it

wait you can admit your wrong?...... guess your not as headstrong as mainstream academia LMFAO

Have you seen the CT scans? Matt has been doing the vases with CT scans and its astonishing the results. He did a podcast with Danny Jones about it.

. . My god .. if only disputes, not just in science, were approached with the attitude displayed here .. . . What would be the best accuracy .. . achieved by manual lathe Today ? . especially making a Vase? .

Just that they are very precise but also they seem to be easily produced since there are enough to give us the impression they were commonplace. This suggests some level of advancement similar to manufacturing

Dang this DeDunking guy must be making mistakes just to correct so he can have more content -- PS (joke) -- PPS First

Thank you for your retraction of your prior comments. The vases clearly defy the limits of the professed technologies at the time. Although I feel you’re still nitpicking on some points to admonish perspectives and not hold fast to a set point of view is what ultimately the debates need to evolve to.

Knowing about tolerances, the vases are a smoking gun for me. There isn't a single chance in hell we could do it today without machines.

This is why I always refer to you, brother.

It's a very helpful thing to do your best to disprove Unchartered X, you didn't succeed, because you are over theorizing what you read about light scanners. The operators however, have proven their skills professionally (so in real life), and you probably can't teach them anything about the process, while they could teach you everything. So unless you find fraud, grove errors, or artifacts, this is probably not the route.

Average human visual acuity of 1/3000th of an inch? Where did you get that? I guarantee most people would be hard pressed to visually notice a difference of 1/64 " on otherwise identical objects.

We don't know the provenance of these vases, so it is not really accurate to say 'these vases come from closer to 5,000 years ago'. They might do. But they might not In fact, the biggest question mark over these vases is their provenance. Procurement on the shady antiquities market makes them immediately suspect.

jumped the gun there huh? do your research before shitting on people.

de-dedunking?

Dan is that kind of a guy, who would be great to chit chat over a beer. Thanks for the content 💪🏻

You should make your recall clips black and white

You are simply not technically knowledgeable enough to criticize stuff like this.

You don't know the details involved if you think simply saying the word "lathe" explains them away. I would have thought gaining knowledge would be an important part of truth seeking, so I'm a bit confused at you getting bored at the detailed sciencey things. Excluding them your interpretation and conclusions do make sense; however with the boring sciencey things they clearly do not. I suggest you either look into the boring sciencey things, one way is simply watching and listening into all the presentations Ben has made on this subject on his channel and for added bonus watch him on others talking about it. Or ideally contact a local engineering company or college with a lathe and ask them (or the tutor) if they could make one from dolerite or granite and get them to explain to you the problems in maintaining the tolerances that these vases show AFTER changing tools.

Thank you for being honest. I don't always agree with you, but you are always honest. I started following you because of this. You have integrity unlike that rat flint fibble. Keep up your great work.

We all make mistakes, it's how you handle them that matters. I hope professional archaeological gatekeepers learn from your example. Admitting you were wrong stings a bit at first, but feels so much better later on as your integrity grows.

Who cares about the data points. Either find someone on this planet that can replicate this by hand or admit whoever made this used a technology we dont understand.

Well done stepping up and making a correction...I wish more would be discussed, regardless on how these vases were made, but why did the technology decline over time? Craftsmanship in stone work should improve over time no?

If these were indeed just "vases" that didn't need to be accurate, imagine what their most most accurate work would've been like. Those vases were the equivalent of today's plastic spoon.

2000 years is crazy. Imagine finding out we had watches in the time of Jesus.

Dude. A lathe doesn’t work between the handles.

We all make mistakes but it does take courage to admit when we are wrong, especially when it's in front of thousands of people. While I disagree with Ben's notion of ancient high technology, I absolutely appreciate his dedication and determination in trying to figure out a mystery that had puzzled the world for a very very long time.

Academia has its issues, no doubt. But this is what happens when people don't use peer reviewed data and just trusting people because they are chill dudes. (That's how I choose my sources too, by how much I connect with them) Expect a lot more retractions in the future.

After the initial few videos Ben and others did on the vases I thought they were a sign of higher advanced tech too. But then I saw people making really advanced looking things by hand, polishing them well, and it turns out it's not as hard as it seems, if you have the right equipment and millennia of experience behind you. And that last part seems to get forgotten all the time. Ben and friends are a bit too distracted by the copper tools, and they forget that the stone age lasted for tens of thousands of years. Of course there's lost devices that they used, techniques that were forgotten in time, etc etc. The fact that we only see these vases in 1 location means that there's probably only a few people every making these, and the technique died with them. They used some lost technology, sure, but nothing that couldn't be built by people in that time.

Too many complex aspects to the creation of these to just say “ they had lathes”. Particularly the inside and wall thickness. Get yourself a potter’s wheel and try to be that good in clay; never mind hard stone … and then throw some large gravel in the clay and work with that. What we see here is absolutely mind blowing 🤯

So you debunked without accessing real experts, got criticized, and so then did more of the same? Listen to what those people are calling you. They're mostly right.

I really don't get why it is so hard to imagine, that given we have evidence that the desert in north africa around 14000 years ago was not a desert, it was a very fertile area, that who ever had been living there for umpteen hundreds of thousands of years had developed a high tech society, which due to climatic change deforestation whatever happened the natural environment changed the ecology of the whole region changed, and the population was decimated, why can "smart" people not image this could have happened. And what they left as evidence of their existence is all that cannot be explained in Egypt. I look forward to the day they find microscopic laser etching in some of these artefacts as that is about the only thing that will enable everyone to see them for what they are.

Has anyone tried recreating these vases with modern machinery? It seems the machine/lathe itself capable of producing something so accurately would be pretty darn amazing as well, if not even more so.

It's good to own up to your mistakes, but I had a hard time telling the current video from the past footage. I recommend putting in some of those wavy lines and some mystical music to better highlight the flashbacks.

I'd have to say if the lathe is 5000 years old and the vases are 5000 years old. Why are vases that are more modern? Not done? As well, did they lose the technology of the lathe? And stop using it for more crude methods of making the vases.

A lathe would not account for cutting and Mass producing one piece cuts that can be almost card thin, the technical cutting of tens of thousands, some with round bottoms that balance perfectly. Not possible. It also would not actually account for the accuracy either because the securing tech is almost as critical as the cutting. They were closer to inventing a motor car that tech to cut diorite and granite that, I mean literally. Man invented the car before CNC machines that could cut so accurately