@@ConcealedSteel Hi. I was a tester on an Operational Detachment- Alpha (Army Special Forces team) back in 2010 and my report highlighted the inadequacies of the piston driven operating system of the SCAR 16 that created unnecessarily heavy recoil, the adjustable gas block that failed to reciprocate the bolt when suppressed, and the reciprocating charging handle that got caught in equipment or hands. The SCAR 16 did not outperform the MK18 which is why my team turned them back in, which we later learned were then reissued to DHS. It’s a cool rifle to have for nostalgia. But I can speak for the Green Berets on my team: The recoil sucks for a 5.56. Which shows in the first few seconds of this video. 💁🏻♂️
“In the free field” is a major part of PewScience testing that people miss… Shot my MK18 in a wide open area for the first time recently and it sounds a lot quieter…
Great review. I see the market shifting that all manufacturers are doing flow through and new alloys. I was going to buy but I’m going to wait a year and then see what out there.
I've been debating on what to buy more than a year honestly. I shoot 7.62x39 but on an ar platform. It's just for hogs/varmint hunting. I have no real benchmark for performance, I have considered the Enticer L because it seems to have good performance for cost. But the ODB seems great. I just don't know how to justify more than double the cost. Sucks that all the places around me in TX only offer suppressors at indoor ranges lol.
I know that the cost sucks for the ODB but IMO the lack of back pressure is WELL worth it. Long baffle type silencers like the Enticer are awesome for 300 BLK subs on semi autos, but I really don't enjoy them for any caliber shooting supersonic ammo. It makes for a very gassy experience.
@juncho1977 When it has a 16" barrel and a magnified optic it would shoot just over an inch with Hornady 75 grain frontier/tap t2. I never really messed with match ammo or bench shooting much though. Never tried 69gr ammo which I read that the 16s likes more.
Not even close, PSA actually cares about their customers and FN is crap. I'd never pay today's prices for a SCAR but I got both this and the 17s for significantly less in 2016 and 2013. The 17s on the other hand is the best 7.62x51 platform in its weight class.
All of this is great info, it does not surprise me though that the longer CAT ODB A1 performed the best in the setting you were in with the roof etc considering it's overall length. Although, I still find it impressive that the K can performed at the level it did considering overall length and the fact they offer this can in a lightweight titanium option now. I'd say for a designated CQB gun i'd still run the 556k TI for it's size/performance ratio but if I were a customer who only wanted to purchase one can that can do it all the ODB is the way to go.
Lol, you're not wrong. It is dumb, and I hated it like that, but a bunch of good rifle lights takes time to accumulate. All of my rifles have Cloud Rein 2, or Rein 3's on them now.
@tehlawlcat I never tried it but based on the ejection that I'm getting it would probably be a little light on gas. I have a discarder on that gun now and I run it down 3-4 click from max open. The gun runs perfectly like that with underpowered ammo. It may actually run on the lower OEM gas setting.
So.......the HUB adapter that you used to attach the CAT ODB to the Huxwrx muzzle device - is that a Hux adapter? And how much weight does that little adapter add?
@@ConcealedSteel from your experience what would you recommend for a 6mm bolt action rifle. Hydrogen L raptor 10 with the reflex ocl polonium cat jl/obd or resilient jolene full size
@sethperry1323 I'm going to be no help here, lol. I don't have a 6mm. For me, I'd probably approach that choice thinking about versatility, or, what else would I use that silencer on. If it's only for a bolt gun that I intend to hunt with I'm probably getting the CAT ODB in titanium. The Hydrogen L, JL, AB10, Nomad L, DD Enticer LTI, etc, are longer than I want to deal with on an already long rifle while hunting. Also, If I'm in a scenario where I only shoot at public ranges, I'd also go shorter/lighter, because you'll never hear it without hearing protection anyway. Best answer is to check out prescience rankings.
@@sethperry1323in theory, for a bolt gun, low back pressure cans are a waste for you. Go caliber specific, and find the tipping point for length/performance. Low back pressure = louder at the muzzle. You will get performance from a standard type can on a bolt gun.
Any of these will do you well! I love the flow 762 on my SCAR 17 because it's so light, the flow 556k on my 16, and the 718 ODB on my 8" Galil 7.62x39. The ODB sounds unbelievable on an 8" 7.62x39.
The only reason was because I wanted to use proprietary HUXWRX muzzle devices with this hub silencer. This is a normal hub silencer and any normal hub mount and accessories will work. Huxwrx qd muzzle devices are not made to work with hub cans. The adapter that I bought and modified is no standard mount by any means. Hub is hub (which is 1.375x24 thread pitch), and will work with any hub, or 1.375x24 mounts perfectly.
That’s a sweet setup on the scar. Too many guys out here either try for a clone correct mk16 cqc or make some abomination with an acr stock and some dumb aftermarket handguard. It’s nice to see a simple and straight forward setup for a change
This was a great video, thanks for showing them off. The Timney looks much better to use IMO, I was surprised you said you prefer the Geissele. The Timney looked to have shorter reset, shorter travel, and a crisp AF single stage. That seems better to me.
The timney wasn't strong enough for some ammo in my gun. I got a lot of light primer strikes on tul ammo 308. That was a deal breaker for me. Other than that, the timney is fine. I've never had a light strike with a geissele (those geisseles are still in both of my SCARs). Lots of rounds through both at this point, I've owned the 17s for around 11 years, and the 16s for going on 8 years now.
I have the same exact barrel and have shot about 3k through it. I’ve had it for 4 years and live in Texas. I also don’t clean it often. I definitely think you got a dud. At least in my experience, they are pretty good barrels for the money.
I can’t imagine only being able to fire 10 rounds fast and having to let it cool for 5 mins…. Will it damage it to keep shooting past 10 rounds fast? I run the hell out of my rc2 waaaay more than that.
Supposedly the titanium versions will erode pretty quickly if you get them above 650 deg F. Yeah, I certainly wouldn't recommend getting the titanium version of the ODB for general 5.56 SBR use. I do keep it on this gun at home for the unthinkable. IMO, this can shines the most on a gun that you'd hunt with, or a 300 blackout for subs. The reason that I put it to the test on an 11.5 was purely for science.
The buildup that you refer to is not buildup. It's material that is there by design inside the blast chamber. Don't be hater. The previous video was on DI guns.
A little tip. Take off that pistol light and run a rifle light. Also put the light on the side and move your irons up. There is no reason to have a little pistol light on there. You can get a stream light for 100 bucks if you need to budget. And it comes with a pad.
Not what I said at all. I think you should really decide what is most important to you from the factors of, weight, length, muzzle suppression, shooter's ear suppression, back pressure, etc, as well as ability to work on more platforms than 5.56. Also, don't ever forget that wearing hearing protection is pretty much mandatory for anything over a couple of rounds f you don't want to lose your hearing. So splitting hairs over a few decibels isn't worth the witch hunt IMO.
Apparently cat will not warranty anything that does not run their muzzle devices based on what they are saying. So any of the direct threads are sol it seems.
Excellent overview CS! This definitely will help folks make decisions about which can is right now them. P.S.: We're hoping to get some more ODB 718s soon :)
Thank you! Love that you guys checked my channel out. I found a 718 a few weeks ago at a shop in GA and got it shipped up to my SOT (through my SS account of course). Picking up today!
