“The War for Chinese Talent in America”: A Conversation with Dr. David Zweig 

I just hope more Chinese grad students in the US have enough pride to look at this status quo - and realize how humiliating it is to stay in the US as second class citizens, forced to bow down and pledge loyalty, artificially ignoring the needs of your kin and homeland. Come home - China is the country of the 21st century, and you can develop your career here successfully and proudly.

"war" instead of "competition"" for Chinese talent?? That tells volumes about the US. All talents must wake up and not be part of US war machine.

This whole podcast is full loads of contradictions 1) US is accusing China of stealing technology and call out China for using technology as national security threat but which countries was stealing gun powder tech and compass and invaded China? Also let’s not forget USA had rounded up all the top nazi scientist under paper paperclip right after world war 2. 2) your saying China is pinching talent from USA when in fact these scientist mostly went for PHD study and some end up staying in the US in exchange for green card. Initially They were treated nicely but in recent years there’s been over hundreds of cases where Chinese heritage PHD scientist either been arrested or wrongfully detained without any concrete evidence. How can you blame them for returning back to China?!? 3) @8:55 - your saying between 2008-2011, USA was counting on China as being a reliable partner for stabilising global economy. For your record, China was the one bailed out U.S. in GFC buying hundreds of billions of U.S. treasuries and continued to do so many years after despite knowing Wall Street was solely responsible. 4) there are many technologies which China invented before U.S. and your sitting there saying China is stealing western technology just don’t make people laugh. Think of 5G internet, QR code and digital payment, these are the very technology that Wall Street deemed as “national security risk”

China has the right to attract Chinese talents back, having nurtured them since childhood.

I hope AS can have a session about those Chinese Americans who were wrongly prosecuted under the FBI China initiative, released but never get names cleared and lost their jobs. This is a huge incentive to motivate the Chinese diaspora go back to China

Take a look at all student who take AP Calculus AB and BC. The 5s are all scored by Chinese Americans and Indian Americans and Eastern European/Russian Descent students in USA. All top Engg schools PhD programs are dominated by Chinese, Indians are far behind; There are no White students in these classes (less than 10%).

Many South-East Asia talents return to ASEAN and East Asia more because of the push factors of fear and discrimination, with the pull factor of wanting to help their own countries move towards prosperity. A reminder to USA that in the day before the old yellow phobia becomes prevalent these days, USA was never worried about any country overtake it in economy and technology. It was understood that any country that follow USA in its way (term wrongly as theft?) in commence, engineering and science, would not overtake it. But the priorities of USA shifted mainly towards military dominance and neglecting trade and technology causes the decline of the country eventually. Personally, I have innovated a few engineering designs from the existing understanding of nature. These have also been copied by the West but not acknowledged. I have no issue with this as I am keenly aware that knowledge is to be shared and those who follow will always be behind us.

To set the right context about the turn of events in 2018 is that the West was finding ways to instigate change in China politically covertly when China was seen to be getting more opened to the West. It was at about this time when there were internal political struggles in rival factions happening within China and western influences could not be ruled out. Key events that came to the fore: Bo Xilai scandal...the up and coming governor or mayor of Chong Qing that saw his wife being invloved in the death of a British, defection of a former Chinese police officer to the American embassy in China, the purge of high ranking political leaders and finally the Hong Kong riots. All these precipitated for tighter and quick actions from Xi Jinping. One cannot be sure that the West has noble intention when try to instigate change, or rather instability, in another country. In the name of democracy, many bad things had happened in the world. The West had a bad record as being a colonial power that is still clinging on to its past as the setter of the fast being out of synced rule based orders. The playbook of the West is obvious: divide and conquer. They want to break up China so that it would not be able to challenge the West by virtue of its size and unity.

Well, if I was wrongfully accused I think I’d rather head back to my homeland too.

America drove away so many talents through bad attitude. Will take ten more years to recover.

Where did the US get their technologies from in the first place? How many homegrown scientists are China producing today? How is Asia Society funded? China taking over the world? Whose narrative is it? Have the US not taken the world since the WWII? It’s not concern of the US? Where does it say, the US have to lead the world? Is it in the US constitution?

The American has practiced jaundiced treatment of Chinese scholars and technical people. It does not help to retain the expertise that drives the innovation. On the other hand, the plumbers in America do better than the engineers and professors.

Racist channel spreading racist topics as usual.

Would any US organisations ever and even discuss a topic like this if the subject is about British, or Canadian, or Australian, or New Zealand born professors/talents? No! This really isn’t about China, in fact is more to reflect US’s inherent distrust and mistrust towards China- a nation most of US political elites really are ignorant about (how many of the US congressmen speak Chinese? Been to China? Studies Chinese history?) The change of US’s attitude politically to China started from Trump when he was first elected as president in 2016. Then all things went downhill from there. A society could nominate people like Trump twice for presidency really reflects US is a troubled society. When last did US or in fact UK or West Europe have a long-term strategic leader/? The wars in Europe and Middleeast reflect US/West incompetence in leadership. Peace, stability and prosperity on the other hand, reflect competence. The world would like to move to the future yet we are still led by US/UK/Europe leaders who are stuck in the past with cold-war mentality, with deeply rooted distrust and mistrust of China or foreignness, protectionism and even dreams of their past glory of imperialism and expansionism. I think it is a huge waste to politicise fields in arts, music and science fields. These areas are and should be carried out as a common property for the advancement for human race as a whole. Where the talents live or choose to fruition their talents should be a decision by the talents themselves, not dictated or pressured by any politics.

Teachers cannot be teacher forever, student one day will become teacher

When you look @ the old railway construction pictures and u cannot find a single yellow man on there , do you think the thousands of Chinese of phds who contributed to the buildup of the semi conductor industry in Murica feel the same way ? Actually , many taiwanese have also started to join the thousand turtle programs and its a trend of Amerika's own making.

IT is classic uncle Sam act, Yellow fever syndrome!!!

Western scarcity win-lose mindset vs Eastern (sans Japan) abundance win-win mindset.

AS target studen tentu pulang , AS hadang China tentu China tendang.. AS histeris dunia makin dengar ..AS sakit

Rorry Daniels should let Dr Zweig do most of the talking. I want to hear from him, not her. China has the right to be great again.

One sector that shows that the Chinese could out-perform US is in the development of batteries for EVs. Though it was the US which started experimenting on the batteries for EVs, now China had taken the lead in the sodium-based battery manufacturing. Of course, it was Elan who really popularizes the EV industry but now the whole West simply could not compete and then come out with all kinds of practice to prevent China from selling them in the West. China should just produce the simple models for the emerging nations to help them with their logistics progress and this will offer them the needed advantage in international trade.

Dr Zweig provided insights for me to understand the importance of the tech war between China and the U.S.. this is a very sad commentary for one who believes in cooperation and dialogue. American military aggression and paranoia toward everything Chinese is a sorry system that seeks to kneecap China.

This is NOT the first time. We did this to Qian Xuesen, the father of China's space program. Under Secretary Kimball said "It was the stupidest thing this country ever did." It was also done to Wong Tsu, an engineer that helped put Boeing on the map. The late Charlie Munger said, China was always going to get rich, we might as well get rich together.

Two white people discussing about China on a channel called "Asia" society. Just amazing

while keep saying about free market economy and market force, have you ever considered maybe the incentives are just not enough?

😂😂😂 china is marching ahead no chance of stoping them good luck

What War ? More like Expulsion vs Attraction

Cool that people like Dr Zweig work on such arcane but important subjects. Grateful for the insight!

The Chinese, actually India, Italian, Brazilian …etc them all, had no complain to American to captivate or engross their talents to study overseas because America then owned the most advanced science and research environment which is an accumulated results of years of non-America born immigrant scientist and researcher from the globe. The biggest contributor to attract global talent is the vitality of the said society. America should re-create if not improve a social atmosphere of preferential lifestyle filled with amity, safety, equality and most importantly opportunity for every non-American talent to apply visa from.

About 2500+ years ago in China, talents from a prosperous Chu nation were migrating to Jin nation and used by Jin resulting in them greatly improved and enhanced Jin economically and militarily, hence an idiom had had been coined as: 楚才晋用。

What if the USA treats the foreign talent nicely?

Very informative and apparently without blatant bias

Chinese high quality overcapacity stuff was produce for western market but western market decline Chinese offers, now all high quality excess Capacity stuff will be sold to developing countries under loss or very little profit

I learned so much from this discussion. Balanced and thoughtful. Thank you

It’s Amazing conversation insights very interesting to hear thank you for sharing

A just cause attracts much support, an unjust one finds little (idiom, from Mencius) It is not race, genius.

One of the most eye opening discussion💯

Very informative talk !

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