Head movement is literally easier without gloves. No gloves means a smaller surface area for the front of the hand. Which means you dont need to move your head as far for it to miss entirely
@@moreparrotsmoredereks2275 See You actually were raised to use that thing people used to have back in the day what was it called oh yeah Common sense To bad so many people these days don't seem to have it
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I just do the Dragonball Z thing where I punch their punches so that our knuckles line up perfectly and we're both completely out of range to be throwing punches in the first place.
Yeah, while Dragonball can often have some really good choreography, it also has stuff like this. Especially the original Dragonball Z anime where most of its fights are basically GIFs and 20 minute long beam clashes.
I have used my knee to block knee strikes. And I totally got the idea from majun vegeta vs goku. I still try to apply it when I a clinch or pinned on the cage. Sometimes it works, sometimes not.
My friend told me yesterday that we went to the gym at 9 pm and learned how to stop a punch with our jaw, that to me was jaw-dropping because frankly I don't remember any of it.
Yeah I know. It's simple, Force= velocity*mass. Adding 16oz to your first is a fair bit of extra mass, probably more than double. The glove protects your skin and bones from connecting breaking and tearing, but the blunt force trauma is higher with the glove.
It Blows my mind that people who have never trained a day in their lives let alone been in a fight since the 10th Grade and the extent of their knowledge comes from watching RU-vid videos and UFC on T.V. can have the audacity to try and tell someone who has pretty much Devoted their Life to Combat and has actually Fought many times that they don't know what they are talking about and that they who has done nothing but watch RU-vid knows more It's almost funny except it is way too common of a thing that happens so it really is Sad and says a lot about people. Ignorance is scary and Arrogance is Scary but Ignorant Arrogance is Frightening. Really the Big difference without Gloves is Hurting your Hand and more cuts
Yeah they call them armchair coaches You see them in alot of professional fighting or sports in general They got that elitist mentality and always think they're right no matter what
The way you explain the boxers style of feeling the opponents punch and use that information to "follow" him with your counter, is exactly what my wing chun Sifu teaches us as one of the realistic applications of chi sao.
one trainer I once had showed us the proper way to block by having me try to punch him while he covered up, he wasn't wearing gloves and I sure couldn't get through.
Very true about punching the head. When I was younger, I was a competitive boxer, so very early on I ingrained the habit of keeping my chin tucked and changing levels slightly to absorb impact. Around 19 years old, I got in a fight with one of my friends. He was drunk, and I didn’t want to seriously hurt him, so I mostly blocked and evaded, allowing him to tire himself out. He threw a hard straight right, I had my chin tucked and slightly ducked down. Instead of hitting my nose or chin, he made contact with the upper part of my forehead, right above my hair line;, that ended the fight. Within half a minute his hand swelled to about double its normal size. He couldn’t even bend his fingers.
Was interested in this video because I've been doing a little sparring (I'm fairly new to sparring) and learning to use parries and bob-and-weave and absorption-based blocks in a controlled but stressful environment. Thanks for the insight.
Haha when you did the: "Ooohh, but you got those big gloves and big pillows on your hands" I lost my shit 😂😂 Btw as a practitioner of Wing Chun your comment about Boxing gloves with wing chun is True. It was hard at first but your get used to it. Of course you can't "grab" the same way but you can do most things.
No, you can't! Why would you train trapping with gloves on, stupid?? Are you going to use GLOVES when you are out getting your stupid ASS KICKED on the streets?? NO, you train as you fight, and that means NO GLOVES!!
I used to think this was true until I learned how to block properly and noticed my forearms made the same size gap between them with or without gloves on.
That happened to me too when I first started training. Getting smacked in the face by my own gloves. It was just sparring so I didn't hurt myself too much but lesson learned. It seems so sensible when you think about it, but for some reason it seems fairly common for people to block that way. Maybe it comes down to the fear of getting hit. You want to stop a punch as far away from your face as possible.
Right! That is why we keep our hands OUT in the center in wing chun! It allows us to intercept the attack WAY before it even comes close to our faces!! And a simple body rotation moves us out of the way of the attack.
@@mortalkomment8028 Sure it is. An angled step and body rotation moves you to the outside of the attack and out of reach of it. It's way better than the linear footwork of boxing!
@Piri Reis You are also vulnerable to the hook when you use boxing footwork, which doesn't happen in TRADITIONAL WING CHUN because we use ANGLED FOOTWORK ALL THE TIME, AND A BODY ROTATION TOWARDS THE ATTACK, THAT NOT ONLY PULLS YOU AWAY FROM THE ATTACK, BUT ALSO PUTS YOU OUT OF REACH OF HIS COUNTER, BEING ON THE "BLINDSIDE" OF THE ATTACKING ARM, WHICH DOESN'T HAPPEN IN JKD, MODIFIED WING CHUN AND ALL BOXING DERIVATIVES!
@Piri Reis That's because MMA is FAKE FIGHTING! WHEN DO YOU SEE FIGHTERS WITH GLOVES ON, IN A TEMPERATURE-CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT, WITH REFEREES AND DOCTORS-ON-CALL, WHERE YOU CAN VIEW YOUR OPPONENTS' STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES?? TRADITIONAL WING CHUN IS MADE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE STREETS, IS COMPLETE AS A SYSTEM!! MMA AND ALL BOXING-DERIVATIVES ARE NOT! THEY MISS KEY ELEMENTS SUCH AS REALISTIC SCENARIOS, WEAPONS TRAINING, AND MULTIPLE OPPONENT TRAINING THAT IS TRAINED IN WING CHUN! ALL SPORTS-ORIENTED MARTIAL ARTS SUCK FOR THE STREETS AND IS ONLY GOOD AGAINST PEOPLE WHO CAN'T FIGHT OR SOMEONE WITH MODERATE FIGHTING EXPERIENCE.
One of the best take down drills I ever learned was starting with my eyes closed, and my partner's hand on my face. On 'Go' he had to swing again and I had to front headlock him. Great way to train a response to being punched in the head.
Its harder and more painful. Plus they are not training in it. Can you blame them if their gyms are not teaching it. Fear of injury prevents people learning it. One I took my gloves off is my hand was one tenth the size, however no one to practice with, you need to have the opportunity to train in the same way as with gloves, but self defence is not the same as sport.
@@boshirahmed the margin of error without gloves is smaller but it's also more dangerous to throw to the head without gloves because if you hit someones forehead you might break you hand.
@@kaischreurs2488 Also if you hit the forearm at a weird angle with bare knuckles...or even worse, the bony protrusion of the wrists. And then if your own bends when punch?? Talk about pain.
Of course you can guard without gloves you just have to be mindful they cover a bit less surface area. We wear gloves for the safety of our partner's guys.
That's just a bullshit excuse! Try punching someone WITHOUT the gloves on! I can GUARANTEE you will BREAK YOUR HANDS!! If you don't toughen up your hands, fingers, knuckles, forearms, etc., then your hands won't be tough enough to handle it hitting off of someone's skull!! Traditional wing chun toughens their hands on the various bags (including the sand/stone bag), wooden dummy, etc., so we don't have to worry about our hands, fingers, knuckles, arms, legs, shins, because they are toughened up!
@@9words40 No, I said that it doesn't matter and that his hand will break because of lack of strengthening. If you are going to fight a REAL fight, which means BARE KNUCKLED, then you have to strengthen your hands, fingers, wrists, etc., so they can take the brunt force.
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Coach your video has helped tremendously, I had 2 matches that I lost but I did considerably better than ever before. Yes this was jv and not varsity but I still want to thank you. The following day after you made that video I had a rough practice, perhaps one of the toughest. But the first match I pulled off a throw that is hard to get. I’ll link a video of it once I edit it down. Again thanks a lot for the time you spent to encourage me, and drive me to get back up.
Punch my head with my own gloves trying to stop punches was the first thing that happend to me went i started kickboxing and sometimes still happening...
@Deus Vult. He got pummeled by someone who weighted his gloves real bad. So its not his fault for getting cheated in a fight, that shit still happens in china regularly.
Yeh that blows my mind that people would thing that. I'm not fighter, just a guy that's been in a fair number of fights. (Big distinction here.) I've never had much in the way of hand speed, I wrestled in high school, and sparred around with my father and friends a few times but I'm pretty damn slow when it comes to strikes. Hell the only reason I still have my brains on the inside of my head was learning to cover up, minimize damage, and wait for a chance to land something big in close, or take'em to the the ground. Hell if it comes right down to it you can block a weapon with your arm. I'd highly recommend running the hell the other way but if you ever find yourself in a situation where there is no escape you'd be amazed how your not exactly worried about how your arms going to look tomorrow at the time. My left arms a damn mess dude to a guy with a shank(joys of being the white boy incarcerated in a mostly black prison) but better the arm than the throat ehh?
Hey ramsey, awesome vid, I've gotten extremely good at your "tai chi" sweep where you catch a leg, I notice I can do fairly good standing and on the ground, but *getting* to the ground is really hard, especially on top, whats your biggest advice on improving wrestling (other than the obvious; wrestle more!), love the content as always, also your old blog from 2011 is an absolute goldmine, thanks for not erasing it.
I always figured that defences like high guard wouldn't work in bare-knuckle fighting(or even MMA with the smaller gloves) but it seems I was thinking about the defence all wrong
Plenty of people use the high guard well. Yoel Romero has the most underrated blocking defense I've ever seen. Uses crossguard, high guard and has a generally very high and dynamic guard.
If I remember correctly, a lot of the Karate training involving breaking stuff with your bare hands has exactly the purpose to harden your bone structure to not break any of your own bones when hitting someone. But you have to train for years to get your bone structure adapted. A lot of other martial arts have similar training methods with the same purpose. If someone can bare nuckle punch your forehead without injuring himself and the punch has decent power, you can derive that he is probably adapted and trained for some years.
Research suggests, this is a myth. For years, many of us(me included) thought that traditional training and the modern understanding of "Wolfe's Law" was clear evidence that repeatedly hitting things strengthened bones and possibly soft tissue. Further studies discredited that. When people run the compressive stress causes leg bones to thicken, however banging on bones does not seem to cause these adaptations. Theoretically repeated compression from punching may thicken the bones in the forearm, but it looks like repeated strikes mainly deaden nerves that effect pain receptors. Less fear of pain, and muscle memory created by training the motions seem to be effective, but hitting things repeatedly appear to do nothing to strengthen physical structures
@@TreyYork1 : Well, thanks, but I did do Judo most of the time. So ... that would actually more support what you say. I have not followed the science since I had to quit due to injury!
Something interesting about the high guard ,the more you look up while doing this the more your elbows block your face instead of your forearms.Your elbows defend against straight punches better than your forearms however the obvious downside is that it leaves the body wayyy too exposed. However,if you were throwing shots to body or ducking low,keeping your elbows high is interesting idea to defend from strikes from above (also fighting taller opponents). These are just some thoughts I had, still testing them out.
I agree 100% with you Ramsey on all your points. I really enjoyed your presentation of the material. I would like to add a scientific point on the "bob and weave". This works because the eyes signal the brain on where the target (typically head) is. The brain sends an electrical impulse to the limb to activate the muscles. Then the muscles react to the signal and fire the shot. The muscle will only create momentum in the direction that the brain tells it to, nowhere else. This process takes 1-1.5 sec. More than enough time to "slip" a punch. Muscle only creates movement in one direction at a time. Feigns are not strikes before anyone else brings those up. So when you bob and weave this causes the brain to constantly try to correct and gain a new target location while you are always moving out of where the strike is being sent to hit. This is why people like Mike Tyson was so good at slips, bobs and weaves. D'Amato said, "Remember, it’s always good to throw the punch where you can hit him and he can’t hit you. That’s what the science of boxing is all about." Your point sir, is totally true and valid. The internet trolls just don't understand. Thank you for sharing your Insights Ramsey! The world needs more level headed people like you in the martial studies.
Great video, setting straight some misapprehensions about fighting without gloves. I have found that “catching” (I don’t mean parrying) a bare knuckle punch with the hand as if it’s a focus pad, whilst certainly being preferable to being punched in the face, is only really suitable for “feeler” type jabs, thrown without power. Anything more powerful results in injury of some degree. Granted, some guys have massive hands that can take more punishment but even then, I’ve an in-law with huge, powerful labourer’s hands who got one broken catching a heavy punch in a fight. Obviously, a lot of “blocking and covering” still hurts, which is why many prefer evasion and redirection when possible, but a broken hand will really spoil the evening!😊
You know ever since I saw this video and I started practicing elbows blocks in the gym I became a new fighter it developed my confidence and I started to be more offensive and dominant. Thanks coach
Yes, it does teach you how to fight, how to fight for REAL on the streets, not like those FAKE martial arts, like MMA, BOXING, MUAY THAI, KARATE, TKD, JKD, JIU JITSU, AND ALL THE OTHER FAKE FIGHTING MARTIAL ARTS!!
@@mightymeatmonsta Xu Xiadong beat a wing chun master while being a not so good out of prime mma fighter. If your masters are like that then wing chun is utter garbage.
@@zoarmhirr2964 First of all, stupid, those were NOT masters, not even close!! They also learned the crappy, flawed, stiff and rigid, and incomplete modified system, NOT the real traditional, which has all the elements that are missing from modified. Second, traditional has the proper footwork, body rotation, and use of all ten concepts at once, which actually make the system work well and be very efficient! You can tell the guy wasn't even a master! He stayed out in mid range, which we don't do (we enter immediately upon contact!), didn't use ANY techniques, and didn't use the proper footwork to go to the outside of his attacking arm!
In secondary/high school it's really a killed or be killed situation nowadays. You almost have to fight your bullies and take those 2 weeks of suspension in order to be left alone for the rest of the year. My go to defenses were the helmet guard, a plum clinch followed by elbows to the jaw or when it came to regular old boxing I would go for the liver or the spleen because I didn't want to leave any physical marks and risk legal reprecussions. After a while people started noticing that I would fight back if I had to and that I had martial arts experience so they left me alone, the occasional new kid would still try but would end up on the floor. I did become much more vicious, vile and dirty after a while. Things like grabbing the larynx, face goughing, spitting in you face before throwing the first punch. That last one actually granted me the nickname "The Llama". I am so glad I am away from that toxic environment, but boxing defenses do work in a bare knuckle situation.
I wonder how all of these people who don’t box have all of these pearls of wisdom concerning boxing, such as you can’t block or parry without gloves? How we should punch, etc. Non boxers just seem to know so much about boxing. Oh yeah, no they don’t. Thanks for the video.
I never understood the logic of people who say all this. I have never sparred with gloves of many type until i got out of the military. Then my partners wanted boxing gloves. Yeah it was awkward at first as I got used to it but everything except row full hand grabs was still doable. And then gloves didn't make any of it easier. Also I am a huge proponent for bare knuckle no wraps sparing. Maybe at most some light padded gloves just to protect from cuts. Honestly if you cannot control your sparring to a point of not hurting your partner you are not practicing your techniques correctly. Slow deliberate precise movement builds muscle memory, and muscle memory does not care about gloves.
Coach Ramsey, in your other video on martial arts blocks, you showed one use for the inward middle / inward forearm "block" going to the arm bar - in this video you showed the primary use for that same move without calling it out - when you were parrying the punches with the open palm. Its the same movement, but in the 'real world' version without the exaggerated chamber. It can be done open palmed (my preferred method, since open hands are faster than closed hands) or with the fist. Open hand you can be doing a palm block, or block with the forearm with the same motion. As to the high block / rising block - don't think of it as a block either - think of it as a forearm strike or hammer fist on a different plane of attack, or another way to break contact if they're going for collar ties or if they're dumb enough to try choking you or grabbing you from the front, it can clear their grip in the same fashion that the low block does for a wrist grab.
Great video, I love that style of blocking, its (as you said) low risk and high reward and you can get away with it easily + it benefits certain movements
I train JKD and FMA. Everything you showed in this video works 100%. In the systems I practice the goal is to CATCH or PARRY incoming punch onto my elbow to break opponent's fist, so we always cover behind elbows. Most of the time I train without gloves or in MMA gloves to practice accuracy (obviously not at full speed), but every now and then we swap to heavy gloves to be able to attack faster and oh boy. If your opponent will block with elbow no amount of padding will save your hand. I am genuinely baffled that anybody who considers himself a practitioner of martial arts can believe that defense in boxing relies on gloves. Utter nonsense. Thank you for this video it highlighted the logic behind some of my favourite defensive techniques. It is a shame that you had to make such video to explain basic concepts.
Hey coach, I thought of an interesting question today, and I'd like to know your opinion: All animals seem to have an inate ability to fight, so humans must too, right? How much of fight training is recovering ability we naturally have do you think? Is it more learning new skills, or just unlearning habits that are ingrained in us by society? Do you spend a lot of time as a coach getting students to rid themselves of unwanted, unnecessary movements so they can advance in skill, or do you feel you're teaching something they would never have any knowledge of? I'm 52 years old this year, and I've never been a fighter, but I find your content interesting. I've practiced karate since I was a kid, and for the past 10 years or so I've been practicing Chinese swordplay as well. Thanks for reading this!
Im not the coach, but I can answer you as a martial artist. Humans do have the fight reflex just like animals. But martial arts techniques are not something that already exists in your brain before learning them. Assuming a person has never fought or even seen any techniques, they can punch, bite scratch, grab, cover their head and so on just like some animals. But through different fighting styles humans have thought of methods in which they can do all these things more efficiently. That is something you have to learn through repetition until it is ingrained as an acquired reflex. And depending on what style of fighting you learn those reflexes to certain situations are different. A Boxer will react to a punch in a different way than a karateka might for example. And yes, you have to rid yourself of some natural reactions in order to be more efficient. As an example, most total beginners in Boxing/kickboxing have to learn, not to flinch when getting punched or not to hold their hands too far in front of their head when blocking (like in 10:05 of the video).. which is a natural reflex we have to trade in for an acquired one.
i used to stay with mike tyson's pikaboo style , its faster and head movements better than blocking ,but when we get stranded by opponents attack ,this kind of block work but we need to actively change guards
of course he never had to worry about gettin kicked in the leg with the force that could break a wooden baseball bat... or gettin slammed against a steel cage
my primary block/parry is with my elbow or forearm so the glove thing always seemed odd to me, I just figured it didn't apply to me because I didn't use my hands most of the time.
To clarify the idea behind what they were saying, I don't think anyone was arguing that it couldn't be done barehanded, but that covering is more difficult without the ability to put giant pads on your head, which I can attest to by my own experiences, there's just less area that you can protect at any given time when covering up without gloves, even MMA gloves have a lot more girth than the average person's hands, catching is just as easy with or without them though. This is why for me when I spar I tend to use covering as an "I'm about to get hit and there's not much I can do about it" kind of response. Basically when you're too late to parry or slip. It's definitely something you can manage without gloves though. Even some traditional martial arts forms have some variation of things like the helmet guard and covering, and those forms were never designed with gloves in mind
@@RamseyDewey Yeah that's a bit dumb then. Especially since, as I mentioned, those motions exist even in TMA forms, and it would just be silly to assume that they were developed for people wearing gloves.
Yeh. That's pretty dumb. You can totally block without gloves. We do it all the time in FMA to entry into grappling or to get into a clinch. This is the way.
The only thing that comes to mind (and please tell me if I have something wrong!) is that, if you see your hands as spheres, boxing gloves increase the diameter of those spheres. I see fighters in one fc for example using that to decrease the chance of a punch coming through. I don't see them using the forearms to parry perse. I especially see the difference when they use the small mma gloves in muay thai, where they seem to be more careful to use their forearms more. Anyone's thoughts?
Ok, you can parry and block bk, but...Honest doubt: Does Peek a boo guard works without gloves? Does Philly Shell Guard works without gloves? I have no doubts about the effectiveness of the long guard in bare knucle fights. In old pictures of bare knucle fighters from the old days they display a longer guard, maybe not too long but longer than the usual classic boxing guard seen in most boxing matches with gloves today and I think that was to avoid what you explained in 10:00
Ok here is what I think. Learn all guards, hand traps, etc. Just makes you better. In Muay boran, they also teach " elbow destruction " in high guard. That means attacking the fist with your elbows in high guard as it comes. The idea is to break the opponents hands. You can do the same with leg kick checks. " Knee " the kick to try to break the shin.
I stopped to read the title... Then I saw all the guys who thought dodging and blocking was like an upgrade in a video game where you need gloves to press X to block and dodge.
Ah, elbow blocks! Though a little tricky to get right, they are evil if you manage to get them on a non-gloved fist (I've felt one or two of them playing around without any gloves, though far from at anything like full power)
Great video, I feel like I learned a lot! I did have a question about the phrasing at around 9:56, where it’s stated that gloves allow for more reckless punching, but do not allow for bad technique. I was wondering what would be the distinction between reckless and bad technique in this example? I assumed that they’re synonymous most of the time. From your experience, are there situations where reckless technique is preferable to more cautious and deliberate movements?
i really like you videos sir. BUT a couple things on this one. 1. boxing gloves are to save lives not knuckles. yes you will break your knuckles on a forehead or an elbow BUT you will break faces, temporal, and occipital bones with your knuckles. 2. you can block a full power round house kick to the head with a into out karate block.
Hey Ramsay I know I’m not on here that often, but I do appreciate these videos a lot. This is a topic I’ve been wondering about for some time like if the boxers guard can help defend punches as good, if not better on the street. I can see what they mean about the hand being able to get through the gaps without the glove, but I can also see that it’s a good guard for dealing with punches (as boxing has proven) and particularly people known for “head hunting” a lot. Would you just have the guard a bit tighter if neither of you have gloves? And instead of throwing punches like pot shots, what if someone tries to grab your guard with one hand and throw punches with the other from there? Or if they’re close enough to attempt a takedown, would it be a bit risky having your hands all the way up there? I don’t expect you to use that guard for dealing with knives of course but it might serve as a good fail safe/emergency block for dealing with impact weapons perhaps. Apparently extending the elbows out slightly to parry straight punches with is supposed to help a bit with this aswell.
Oh wait nvm you did say to keep the guard tighter (I’d already watched the video before I just didn’t get around to commenting until just now lol) and if there’s any of your videos that help explain anything better feel free to leave me a link :D
Man I learned defence from watching Winky Wright and he clearly blocks with his hands (palms facing his face). He utilises a high guard, with his hands protecting his face and the arms and elbows protecting his body. I think the gloves give enough protection for the face for boxing but maybe not for MMA as the gloves are smaller. On my channel I got a Winky Wright tribute video and you can see him blocking Shane Mosley’s attacks with his hands.
i think what people don’t realise is that the high guard is not a static guard. you just have your hands up so that it’s quicker for you to parry or block and counter right back. Not stand there with ur hands up just taking shots
Yup - that should silence the doubters. Nice flow, and movements too - I tend to concentrate more (when light-touch sparring) without gloves. Just got to watch the eyes. Remember touch sparring with my martial art master, accidentally poked him in the eye socket. Can be hazardous. Which is, as you say, part of the reason gloves feature - protects both ways.
Hey Ramsey, I'm sure if you can answer this one but what do you think about Choki Motubu's( The strongest fighter in karate) fighting stance the Meotode( Husband and wife Hands)?