That line really hit deep. Even though he hates everything and everyone, especially himself, Oberon still has a dream that he knew from the beginning it would never come true. Therefore, he might as well destroy the barrier between reality and fiction with his own hands by erasing everything. However, deep down he wanted his dream to become reality. Guda called him out on that, hitting him where it actually hurts. What a complex character. In just one chapter, he became my favourite Servant by a landslide.
I love how the game give you the option to suspect him ahead of time. After the Woodwose fight you are given the option to leave him alone when you go to Manchester, but if you choose to talk to Oberon, he admits to going behind your back to ask Koyan to help. You do not get this information for a while otherwise. After the Cernunnos fight, you get red text options to call him out and spot the Abyssal Worm before everybody else, and Oberon acknowledges you doing so. It makes the final fight way more personal.
now knowing that, every time he leaves the party for a short while he literally lurked in the shadows eavesdropping Especially on Muryan, Oberon really played her like a fiddle and discarded her as trash
The best part is when it gives the MC added dialogue about Titania's star and Oberon genuinely getting pissed off at being seen through behind the lies
You forgot a very important detail: After meeting Aurora for the first time ever and leaving the cathedral, he talks to Blanca behind our backs and literally muttered: "Why don't I hurry things along? Because you've to take your time with the opening act. Let them get used to how things work here" That should serve as a massive red flag that he should NOT be trusted whatsoever
I think it’s really well done because there’s alot of things in hindsight that show who Oberon really was but they’re only able to be taken that way in the hindsight. Especially since the way the game usually handles people who betray you like this with a lot more heavy handed foreshadowing it makes Oberon really stand out
Well, the reason why this lostbelt is peak is it lets us question our actions and the matter of perspective value. While to us Oberon/Vortigern is evil and that fairyland deserves to be burned and dusted (yeah no shit!), and to him our wiping off other lostbelts is nothing more than an attempt to play god, its stench of hypocrisy that even him, the first pretender couldn't let it slides.
He is as evil as Guda. That's why Guda saw Oberon as "The Guda in the Mirror of Despair." Guda and Novum Chaldea did the same as he did: use natives to get their world destroyed 5 times, Oberon just did it once. He snapped by the duty he had because Oberon was added to "Vortigern" self of the Abyss Insect. Arturia Avalon only condemned his tantrum at the end, not putting down fairy Britain. Even so, he calms down after confronting his loved ones. He needed to get that bitterness and anger out. Nasu himself stated he no longer will endanger PHH.
Agreed, ive spent the last 3 weeks hard grinding and completed lost belts 2-6 to be able to participate in the upcoming tunguska event and even knowing he was evil fuckin hell this story was a banger. The emotions if makes you feel throughout and the way its all done was amazing
I'd say LB7 hit me more. The overarching theme of LB6 is that everyone is a dick and those that aren't, get what they DON'T deserve. It's not gray, it's just pure blackness and the white somewhere in there. *SPOILERS* LB7 had the best story imo, from Camatotz being a literal grand gigachad with the most metal duel in the entire series spanning hundreds of centuries. To ORT just constantly showcasing why he's the "secret boss who's harder than the final boss" Even in terms of gameplay it's abundantly superior. ORT raid is leagues better than Cerunnos fluffy bags. Not to mention Dino-Shiki being the best Dino altogether. We also had Olga come back in a way and finally, the main reason why LB7 reigns superior... ORT-chan and ORT-kun. One is playable and the other literally made Chaldea shit their pants once the understanding of how... fucked it was came.
@@HandleDeeezNutzThe theme of LB6 was more like "this country looks irredeemable but it still had a right to exist as long as the fae paid their sentence."
@@atpr3241 I would add to that the lies. The lostbelt is based upon lies and throughout the whole story there are lies from everyone which fits the conclusion.
When Nasu first was presented with the potential design for Oberon, he scrapped everything he had planned originally for LB6 and re-wrote it into the crazy super long story we have now. Really goes to show how a single character can change everything in a creative process.
My impression was that he had been looking for a way to bring Oberon into the story for a while, but had been holding back until he had a setting that would make Oberon really shine.
@@atpr3241 Tbh I'm glad Morgan went out whipping Chaldea's asses and also smiting as much of the rebellion against her as possible before she got brutally backstabbed to death. Really shows you how much power she truly has...
@@cameraredeye3115 Morgan was done justice as a character. Even her death had irreversible consequences for the narrative painting her as a benevolent dictator behind the exterior
Camelot and LB6 stories go wild when Nasu is heavily invested. Funny it’s always something related to Authaurian Legends are always the best storylines
@@lordtouchme77your not wrong about Babylonia and the lostbelt 1 and 5. It’s that after this boss fight I actually read the Drama CD for Garden of Avalon and it was a fantastic read about the beginnings of Merlin and and King Arthur and the round table. Really wish tho in the story of Avalon they mention more about Morgan and Mordred in detail starting the rebellion other than that a good read
to clarify, Vortigern wasn't fully pretending from the very beginning. When he was summoned into this lostbelt by the planet to enact his purpose and destroy Britain, his spirit origin was severely weakened and unstable. He was found by the Welsh fairies, who genuinely believed him to be an incarnation of their fairy king Oberon. Through their beliefs, the concept of "Oberon" merged with his identity of "Vortigern" and effectively fuses his personality. When he helps you throughout the lostbelt, he really did mean it, even though he says he doesn't. Amusingly enough, the Vortigern half does not hold that much ill will towards Chaldea. It's actually Oberon who holds contempt towards you for going around wiping Lostbelts out of existence. He hates that Chaldea gets to decide which stories are worth keeping around and destroying the ones that conflict with theirs. This is primarily because Oberon is searching for his "Titania," his fairy queen counterpart who was invented by Shakespeare in a Midsummer Night's Dream. Even though he knows Titania is a fictional character in a story, he wants to believe that the story can become real and he can find his other half. You, wiping out lostbelts, represent the denial of Oberon's hopes and dreams. That's the primary reason as to why he fights you. But as a "Pretender," anything he says becomes a lie. He does not know where his truth ends and his lies begin.
something interesting about that, is that in the shinjuku remnant, i don't believe they ever used Titania, despite Shakespeare being the creator of most of the enemies. they've likely got his release planned alongside the epilogue of this lostbelt, tied to some manner of event that brings Titania into the story, possibly as either an alter ego, foreigner, or even as a pretender class, to round up the numbers and give him something of a happier ending.
Just a minor correction: They're called Welsh Fairies since they live in Wales, the forest where Vortigern was summoned. Not Mors Fairies. And yes, everything else here is right. Oberon-Vortigern really is incredible as a character.
Geez, for a final battle music the refrain sure sounds really melancholic. Like a battle neither sides wants, but *has* to do. The kind of battle you have in the middle of the ashes of the war that has already concluded: hollow and meaningless. Not out of hate, not out of necessity, not out of survival, not even out of ideals. You just want to kill each other because it's your state of being. One can't live while the other survive. No glory, no desire, no animosity, no fear. Just goodbye for good.
@@ask_0 He should have been the Grand Archer, dude. Heracles was so good at archery, but I guess the guy who gets to name the stars was more skillful at it.
@@ask_0 Though the Marmyadose connection did make it seem pretty solid (also the fact that Merlin bringing him along would be like Gramps with Babylonia), but you have to realize that the 'manual Grand servant summoning' was done a Lostbelt prior with ROMA. So it was deffo fishy from the beginning.
_The Fairy King Oberon…no…he is no longer just that. He has become something greater…he has remembered his purpose and his True Name. Servant. Pretender…the first of his kind. Insectoid menace to all fairies…_ *Defeat Oberon-Vortigern.*
when he was first announced and have his silhouette unveiled, i was disappointed that he was some gung-ho kingly like folk with too much fairy tale vibe then you play the LB and start to grow up with his personality and all. Before you know it, he became the focus of your attention. then slowly you see him descent into something and something further beyond your wildest imagination and when the truth is unveiled, you're both at awe and dread of what he was to begin with and to become through the influence of the journey. everything woven perfectly, from the start till the end of the stage, the audience cried, laughed, angry, felt multitude of emotions masterfully composed from the start, to build up, to climax, to it's closing when the curtains closed, only raging torrent of applauses echoed through the stage. Bravo Oberon. just like that, you became my favorite servant, a seat i was always undecided on for over 5 years.
And Tosshiyuki Toyonaga played him excellently. Make me remember his other great role who has the same "Descent to Madness" theme, Mikado Ryuugamine of DRRR!. His ability to portray an innocent teenager gradually losing himself due to gang war was truly spectacular.
You summed up perfectly the brilliance of Oberon and also how I personally feel about him. At first, he seemed like a part of the entourage of heroes in a stage play, but he ended being the composer behind the scenes. The fact that he managed to come out on top of every other faction through merely wits and cunning is outstanding. He sort of reminds me of characters like Tyrion, Varys and Littlefinger from a Song of Ice and Fire: they seem insignificant but are actually the chessmasters of the plot.
To me it feels more like an FGO representation of Beelzebub, the king of pestilence in demonology, and on that topic I’m curious if Vortigern is going to be given some sort of relation with him in FGO thanks to this sort of design with him. Like somehow alongside him getting summoned and his Saint graph getting mixed up with Oberon’s, it also got a little bit of Beelzebub sprinkled in.
@@Kanethedragon If he also ends up been related to beelzebub, man this is a huge package for a single servant as the king of faries, the usurper king of britain and the lord of flies.
I can totally picture a knight in armor going through a wall of fog to be greeted by that guy, falling slowly from above, and then, "Oberon, the pretender" appears at the bottom of the screen.
I don't think is that incredible when you remember this is DW and lately I feel there are a lot of important plot holes that are too fucking much to number, both quantity and how big are. At least the plot twists and character are very good but this is still inferior to 5.1
Still remember a year ago when he was first introduced in pre LB6 livestream. I thought there definitely was gonna be something very special about this guy and I was right. I grew to love everything about his character so fucking much and still do now. Even ended up grailing him immediately after pulling him. Never regret that decision.
To be fair,Ritsuka knew already from start that Oberon is a Liar.But,the sheer weight of grief of ending 5 worlds have made his mind f**ked up enough that he just accepts anything thrown at him and believes it.if I would have read the story without spoilers I wouldn't even have suspected that he's Vortigen of all with a Big a** dragon.heck,this mf even fooled Sion Eltham Sokaris and freaking Atlas Super computer.Thats what the level of Deception he's capable of.He truly deserves the Title of,"The Great Liar".
The fact that you can hear a strong orchestral melody as the face of the song with a more mellow backdrop representing his Oberon "persona" that lasts throughout while Vortigern is ever present is perfection
you know, part 3 of the LB encapsulates the meme: "I don't need sleep, I need asnwers." Like the wait is litereally killing just what in the goddamn hell happened.
Honestly part 2 as a whole feels like a cross between Nocturne and Strange Journey You're part of an organization that's trying to save the world, which has already ended, and others are trying to bring about a new world, and everyone uses contracted Servants to fight in a manner akin to demon summoning The difference is that you get neither a magatama nor a demonica, and you can't beat the shit out of God yourself (even though we'd all love to)
I really like this theme captures the image of ballroom dancing while sounding fierce. It fits Oberon being the more dominant one in this boss fight since Vortigern did his job already. Think this beats the EoR final battle theme as my top fave theme now
Just did this fight in NA, peak storytelling and a fantastic grand battle for LB6. Im going to be riding this high for a while Edit: after the high has been ridden now the sadness comes in, all the good ones lost along the way along this amazing journey. Still genuinely feel bad for a few of them, hopefully we can get some of the NPCs playable like Coral, she deserved better given how she ended up being one of the few decent faeries with her limited screentime, design is also really lovely
I finished it too today. It was peak but still i think the final isn't great, oberon was presented as a character that is stronger than the alien god and then they give us that easy fight (compared to cernunnos), and everything else about the end is just forced: chaldea escaping an unescapable void, melusine who was alr dead destroyes the worm...
@@capononsupremo5443 He was never presented like that, stop saying lies. Oberon expressed from start he had no means to defeat Morgan (who genuinely could beat up the Alien God with her Rhongomyniad,) and if you really mind to story it states that in his prime (King of Mors) he was defeated by Woodwose. Why he needed to overthrow every threat to his plan to destroy Britain and why he used of you as pawn. The only reason Oberon won is as everyone who could stand up to him, or take him down (say Woodwose, Boggart, Morgan, the Tam Lin, the Fang Clan...) were slaughtered before he made his final entrance. With Melusine being the spectacular exception but whom is just barely holding herself together at this point.
@@maenadvey4353 Oberon is saying that because the Abyssal Worm is basically sealed by Cernunnos at the time, in which Cernunnos is being kept in check by Morgan. Yeah, they did concluded that Morgan's Rhongo is a valuable weapon against U-Olga but the Abyssal Worm is the collapse that was predicted since the Prologue. The same thing that's on par(not stronger) with U-Olga, and could also destroy the Planet. It's definitely the strongest thing in LB 6. Using the Mors King as an argument is pointless because the Mors King and Abyssal Worm are different kind of calamities especially in terms of Great Calamities. Oberon's real prime is the Abyssal Worm. I still think Oberon's presentation as a Calamity is great though because all this time, he's still a calamity that put the faeries to ruin even without fighting. He had the Wing clan massacred so that Murian would also massacred the Fang clan so there'll be no defenders for the Mors. He's the reason for the fall of Woodwose by collaborating with Koyan and Aurora, which would result for the Calamities to start showing up and lets his real form, the Abyssal Worm, manifest and suck up all of Fae Britain as sure kill if the said Calamities are cleansed.
@@maenadvey4353 why u are telling me about mors king? Ofc oberon without insect of abyss is nothing. I'm just saying that they let us beat him too easily, that all. And i still don't understand how could melusine destroy the worm, doesn't make any sense to me
Damn. Just finished LB6 yesterday and... it was great. So great. This theme matches so well with Oberon. What a great adventure it was. Thank you, FGO. Thank you, Nasu!
@@emincash6931 If my knowledge is correct, Oberon only remembered he was Vortigern after Barghest burned down the Welsh forest and killed the Welsh faires.
@@jacksimpson8529 Reminder, this old man is the one who canonically took Gawain from bragging at the beginning of the fight to pissing himself before the end. And according to Garden of Avalon, this is still not what he was in life. A dragon of Shadow that eats Holy Swords.
@@firstnamelastname7298 That’s what I said, he started the fight by eating Galantine’s power. That’s why Gawain freaked out. Arturia used him as a mook so he wouldn’t eat Excalibur. She then horrified Vortigern by using Rhongo. Then finished him with Excalibur. All of this is in “Garden of Avalon”. It’s how Vortigern canonically died.
@@ahaloburnout As far as I was aware, he drained Excalibur's light as well. That's why Artoria needed Rhongomyniad and that's what she finished him off with, by stabbing him through the heart with it.
The fight with Oberon is more about a battle of convictions than a battle of the stronger And this theme shows exactly that. It's epic, cold, menacing, but not brutal, emotionless and overwhelming
Yeah. I think the final battle of strength is Cernunnos part. While Oberon's part is a battle of ideals and convictions between him and us, the Master of Chaldea.
He wanted to prove he didn't love anyone. Or he wanted to be proved he DID love someone. That's why he's level 85. That's why he smiles in relief. He was fighting for an unreal concept of love against his real loved ones. He was taking out his frustration and things Guda also probably felt but couldn't externalize.
The shadow that lies at the end of eternity. The embodiment of the white dragon, who wishes man's world would receive total destruction is tasked with ending the world of fairies. He gets mistaken for Oberon, King of the Welsh fairies and folklore figure, but upon regressing back to who he was he still realizes he needs to for full his duty as Vortigern, but the side of Oberon wishes nothing more than to end Chaldea for their need to end stories at their own digression. Because both Vortigern and Oberon wish for a dream of a Titania if she exists somewhere.
i guess amakusa could qualify as a pretender but i see it more likely if they give him that class, it would be as an alternate servant or possibly as a welfare, maybe as a future santa amakusa
Its been 2 months since i finished this lostbelt and i cant get oberon out of my head. The design the writing the story. It was so good. Hes my favorite character in FGO now and i dont think ill ever find anyone better. You played us all like a Fool oberon and i gotta respect you for that
He wants to destroy the world and yet he's still relatively jovial and polite about it all Basically, I love this guy and would still consider him my friend
Well,Yes The way the world treated his Beloved as Trash not worthy of recognition so why he shouldn't be allowed to do the same?and yet,all he did was give this Picturebook,Morgans dream an Ending it deserved,So that It may be remembered by "us" The Audience.
damn, i didn't know oberon's np was one that made you dance and dance and dance, unable to do anything as you succumb to the fire beat and shake your head in delight furiously
LB6 really killed it at the end thats for sure, I absolutely loved how every big boss fight at the end had thier own custom intos relating to the fight. The fact they started doing these for the bas lostbelts has me excited for later fights.
He had the best entrance in all of fgo. i like how we can figure out his sussyness. He was a really complex character. No wonder Nasu rewrote the whole story of lb6 just for oberon. Sure the lostbelt also had its flaws but it was peak FGO after lb5. Cant wait for lb7 and fight ORT. Can't wait.
Such a fascinating character When he was revealed to be final villain,I had mixed feelings towards him. But now I think he was amazing. The way he fits with whole lostbelts scenario is just beautiful.
I do not know about the story but the theme is like battle fated to happen but no anger or hatred involved. In the theme it feel like both side not want to fight, they fond or trust to each other but they have to fight because different goal or ideal.
You got the 3rd point right. The very reason why they are fighting because the guy on the left-or rather, the other fragment of him-want to destroy the protag world since their world reject the guy's world history, or so since he's kinda complex character + the world on this fiction is complex.
@@minerinaldi3884 Compared to other FGO battle theme, this one feel like sad or dramatic battle. It feel like battle againts old friends or companion and remind me to P3 Fes battle "Heartful Cry".
You got it mostly right Oberon fought us because we're ending the British lostbelt, aka his story, and the fight was meant to be The Prestige of his stage presence. And he wanted us to remember it when the curtains inevitably rolls down
he fights us because we go around basically destroying lostbelts and he hates it because we shouldnt be the ones to decide what story goes on and end's because of the story of titania
Oh wholeheartedly, first they likely wanted to another epic chant thingy like for other bosses, this time tho violin boy said ,,guys, hear me out, i got this"
I just realized, I literally went into this fight with these 3 starting members. Mash and HaoHao fought bravely but sadly fell down. However, Kama and Jalter stepped up to help me finish this epic fight. Artoria Avalon dealt the final blow to Oberon, something that felt like poetic justice to me. This fight carried so many emotions and is one of my favourite Boss Fights in the game
God, this Lostbelt was a ride from start to finish. Easily my most favorite Lostbelt and the only things I can say for it is that it's amazing. Bravo, Nasu. The skies were plenty beautiful. It's been far too long since I've seen the blue.
@@rxyalgenesis yup. It also make it even sadder that as he is dying he is reaching out to Guda and and tells them, “My Titania...” dammit Nasu. Making everyone cry with this lostbelt
@@naehalmulazim 95% of the Fae were rotten to the core and disgusting. Many of them did not understand the human concept of sympathy and kindness. They needed to be stamped out. Castoria, Morgan, and Baobhan were made miserable by the other fae.
The whole theme is excellent, but that piano gives me chills, especially those two consistent keys that start at 0:22 right as Vortigern comes into view. Such an amazing theme.
LB 6 all endings Neutral Ending You defeated Oberon and destroyed the Lostbelt Bad ending Oberon defeats you and achieves his goal Good ending You like Oberon’s sussy 3A so he stops and decides not to fight you Oberon theme ending They didnt fight. They just stood there for 15 minutes straight. It turns out… they’re vibing to the theme that they forgot all about their intentions??? Seems about right, this song hits so different
I'll say it again Lostbelt 6 aint just a chapter in fgo, It's literally a whole new magnum opus that nasu make. He can literally repurpose the whole LB 6 into a new VN that is not fate and people will still love it.
It's precisely because of it NOT being fgo was what made Avalon le Fae so good, evident by how the worst parts of the story were ones with elements relating to or originating from fgo rather than the self-contained narrative that the rest of lb6 was.
@@trdl23 I actually agree with you on those two exceptions-pepe and beryl(not as much but even then) were great-, but I still stand by my words. The "suddenly summoning random characters to deal with shit before disappearing from the plot"(gawain and lancelot in barghest's fight was as godawful and immersion breaking as the ending of 5.1 with hector being summoned before vanishing. Mash, while also better than her last iterations, felt very much like a third wheel at times especially when she invades the tight knit dynamic between castoria, (you), and oberon.
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i wonder how the players of Britain felt when they played this story all the way to the end, i wonder what it was like to see a fictional what if story of their country.
One detail I loved about this Lostbelt, and that Merlin also picked up, was we talked to ourselves a lot more in dialogue options "for some reason", and it was because we didn't trust Oberon. I guess we, humanity's last master, are pretty good pretenders too.
I thought that was referring to all the times we talked to Oberon one to one, and Merlin couldn't even perceive him, otherwise he would have known something was up like Holmes immediately realized Oberon wasn't from PHH when he first saw him.
@@GunNlazorI think "we" realized Oberon wasn't telling the truth when he said he was from PHH but seemed to not be affected like Holmes and Nemo were by Britain
Its the fact that Merlin cannot perceive Oberon (Oberon hides himself from Merlin) so Merlin believed we were just talking to ourselves a lot anytime we had a one on one conversation with Oberon.
Titania is someone who would accept Oberon even if he's a Psycopath.The Protagonist,"Fujimaru Ritsuka" knew from the start Oberon was lying when he said Humanity was A Happy Civilization yet from all the mental torture he received he just accepts whatever thrown at him as normal,so he just gone with the Flow.The Reason Oberon is not seen by Merlin is because of Oberon's Passive,"Anti-Human Order"which he uses as 98% of his Power to hide From Merlin.(due to personal reasons and He hates Merlin.)and it was because we completely trusted Oberon is the reason we are classified as Titania.more like Playing a Role Of her.
Spoiler: He's not fighting you to accomplish his wish as Vortigern, but to accomplish his wish as Oberon. He only became Oberon due to the corruption of his Saint Graph, yet even after regaining his memories of being Vortigern he considers himself to be just as much Oberon. That's strangely beautiful.
During his conversation with you, he hinted that he hated his role as a destroyer, but... "The liar Oberon cannot admit that." Oberon, who only sees the ugliness of the world. Oberon, who hates every and all existence. With his last breath, he looked at the sky of Pan Human History, and said "It's pretty...."
