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Bro there a interview with ramy he said Phil and Ron in fls its equal 😂😂how he said that when Phil is narrow , Ron had more v taper and wider last , and in sc he said Ron doesn’t has a hamstring from the side and he give just two poses to Ron from 8 poses
he made Yates look 5'9 lol, they were equal height and Yates had more true natural width (across the clavicles). He's been doing this for years and refuses to change it no matter how many comments are written about it
@@bestopinion9257 I completely understand that's a lengthy and difficult process to get proper scaling, but after so many videos over the years and so many comments pointing it out, you'd think that Supersetman would actually do something about it. These are arguably 2 best and most known bb-ers of all time, not some chumps nobody has seen on stage.
I looked back at the 96 grand prix footage(where thet both competed) and think based on that Ronnie is oversized here. Dorian has a bigger head😂 and his calves dwarf Ronnies. Might just be the 93 angle though
I suppose he can only work with what he’s got but the angle difference is absolutely key to this matchup. I know it’s just for fun but you almost can’t even judge it based on this. Not fairly anyway
Man is spoiling us harder than Draco Malfoy. Thank you again supersetman! Side note: i do wish there was some good video footage of Dorian when he did those infamous black and white photos where his size would actually stand up to Ronnie, whilst still being conditioned enough to step on stage and win pretty much any show
Great comparisons like always. I will say though that you made Ronnie a bit too big. His torso here is longer and broader than Yates when in reality it was the opposite.
I have to hard disagree on what you said for/how you scored almost every pose FDB- easy 3 point win for Ronnie. Perfect X-frame and he flows well despite his midsection because everything is just so damn big. Dorian literally doesn’t even have biceps compared to Ronnie and his flow is bad imho. He’s blocky around the abs and too shallow up top to balance it out. ST- other than the tricep Dorian is literally getting dwarfed. The only other thing Dorian has is execution, but this is a 1 point win at most. 3 points is absolutely ridiculous when you literally look like a classic physique competitor next to your opponent. AT- it’s the same story. Ronnie is just so much bigger and doesn’t flow too awfully. 1 point for Dorian imo. FLS- should be at least 2 points for Ronnie. His lats pop almost as well as Dorians (who has a better camera angle for this pose) and he literally looks like a whole different species size wise. BDB- again at least 2 points for Ronnie. Bigger back, actually has biceps and absolutely dominates in the lower half. The only thing Dorian has is definition. BLS- 3 points for Ronnie. The conditioning edge from the BDB is almost gone in this pose. You are again left with what looks like open vs. classic physique. Hell with that lower body Ronnie makes Dorian look like a mens physique athlete even. Overall should have been a way easier Domination for Ronnie imo. 16-2 minimum for Ronnie.
I think these people watching this must have like lost their vision or something Dorian is clearly the superior bodybuilder it's not about who weighs more Ronnie looks like a bloated holding water mess there's no way those judges would give him this contest if you stood him next to Dorian with that paper thin skin in that kind of condition and by the way during Wait about 270 lb there if you stood them side by side not in a picture like you're doing Ronnie would not be bigger than him not by much most of their career Dorian was bigger than Ronnie let's be real here Dorian would have beaten him Ronnie almost looks fat when you stand him next to Dorian his belly bulging out everywhere there's no way a judge could give a man with a belly that big the win over somebody as shredded and perfectly shaped as Dorian no way
Thank you for the video, however, your sizing of the individuals are way off and this gives Ronnie an unfair advantage. It is abundantly clear that this video shows Ronnie as a closer image to that of Dorian. Very important to note that Dorian and Ronnie are the same height, however, in your video, it seems that Ronnie is viewed to be way taller - This is exemplified due to the mismatched individual characters.
you made coleman look bigger when height difference is barely noticeable. And the majority of the poses go to dorian, he was better conditioned and a clear winner.
@@SiG-PopartThe problem is, this is open bodybuilding, where size and conditioning are equally important. Dorian for sure beats Ronnie in hard grainy conditioning, but only a bit. Ronnie on the other hand, is almost as conditioned as Dorian but overwhelms him with size. By those metric, the only way Dorian beats Ronnie, is that if he's near Ronnie's size with the same condition he has here, which never happened in his career because it's impossible to outsize the king with greater condition.
@housesports000 because Ronnie's arms are so much bigger than dorians especially the biceps they actually cover up some of his lats,we're as Dorian had weak small arms so you can see his full lats.
@TheLusianPopa you make a good point, when it comes down to it though, bodybuilding is still a subjective sport. Muscle conditioning and size aside, the judges and everyone else's eyes would automatically be drawn to the bigger and freakier guy on stage, you can't disagree that Ronnie's biceps, chest, shoulders, quads, hams, and glutes are another lever compared to Dorian's. If these two were to step side by side with each other on a stage, 9 times out of ten judges would pick Ronnie as a winner.
what is this scaling lil bro? you keep doing this in every Dorian + Ronnie video that you've ever made. I also remember you replying to me that Coleman was taller and wider than Yates when neither of those are true Fix your scaling, you already have many comments calling you out on it. When something isn't true, then it isn't. Stop shoving it down people's throats.
Dorian doesn’t even look like a mass monster side by side with ‘03 Ronnie. The trap development in the 2000 body builders just takes things to another level, but at the sacrifice of lower back muscle separation/definition.
@TheLusianPopa I997/1998 Ronnie was his best-he looked fit and able to run and catch a football at top speed. Once you get into 2000 Ronnie, he just looks unathletic. By traps, Ronnie’s upper traps bulging up to nearly his ears from the front is something Dorian never had. Dorian’s mid traps and rhomboids underneath were massive and thick.
No chance in heck. Ronnie's traps are bigger thicker than Dorian's. His entire back is thicker, you can see it in the back double bi. You can talk about leaning back all you want, but it's obvious it's a lean mass difference. Ronnie looks in contest condition, holding a bit of water under the skin, when he is also holding more water in the muscle and looking bigger and more full balances out. Especially when Coleman is has much more round muscle bellies. It was everything Dorian could do to beat Levrone, Wheeler and Shawn Ray because they all had better shape than him. Ronnie became bigger than any of these guys and has shapely muscle like Flex with a ribcage and chest that can stand next to anyone. It's Dorians worst nightmare. A guy with round muscle bellies who can match his size. @TheLusianPopa
Bad scaling. Dorian was a strong 5'10 and Ronnie was a weak 5'11, half an inch difference. Yet Dorian is standing straight while Ronnie is crunching is most of the poses and still Ronnie looks a full inch or even 2 inches taller in this video, @thelusianopopa will back me on this one . Bad scaling for comparing, I know how hard it is to scale them properly.Still even if it was scaled properly, Ronnie would have a clear mass advantage. Ronnie wins this clearly, he went full mass mode in 2003' while Dorian was already by far the biggest on the stage in 93' so he cut down for crazy conditioning. Especially the back, while Dorian was arguably getting worse after 93' one bodypart that kept getting better and better was the back. His back was the best in 97' and he can match and even beat 03' Ronnie from the back. I wish DOrian came one year at his full size, then we would have a battle of all ages against the 03' Ronnie. But he didn't, so nobody can challenge the king
Ronnie’s calf doesn’t look too small compared to Dorian and we all know Dorian has superior calfs. Plus Ronnie’s glute is massive here, so I don’t think the angles between the two really that much different
In Ronnie’s early years he hit the front lat perfect . As he got bigger he turned it into a most muscular ab and thigh combo . He could have looked so much better in it
The 1993 OLYMPIA was held in Atlanta Georgia, the 2003 OLYMPIA was held in Las Vegas. / Dorian demolished Ronnie (and everyone else) numerous times, and had Dorian not been injured and had competed in '98, he would've stayed OLYMPIA champion. / The footage you're using is blown up on Ronnie's side to make him appear larger than he'd actually be in real competition.
Ronnie still needs to lose like 35 pounds or so. Sorry Dorian had the best combination of mass and conditioning. Ronnie holds way to much water and looks 6 to 7 weeks out here. Not knocking Ronnie i like Ronnie but Ronnie even at his leanest was not even as dry as Dorian.
That’s what I’m saying. These guys are like two different animals the conditioning is so much greater for Dorian. He does make Ronnie look 6 to 7 weeks out here. Dorian for the win. No greater combo of mass and conditioning
IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A COMPARISON, AT LEAST SIZE THEM UP CORRECTLY!! RONNIE AND DORIAN ARE RELATIVELY THE SAME HEIGHT, BUT HERE, RONNIE SEEMS TO HAVE AT LEAST 2 INCHED ON DORIAN. THIS WOULD BE DUE TO RONNIE BEING BEING BROUGHT CLOSER IN THE VIDEO. YOU HAD THE RIGHT IDEA BUT WRONG EXECUTION.
Incredible work..No one can really defeat Ronnie's pure slab of mass..The earlier posing stance also makes it impossible in certain shots.... . My only criticism is I think you scaled Dorian slightly to small in comparison .. Top vid tho.
Ronnie wins, he is just too big for Dorian to contend with (but Dorian is handily beating him in muscle quality, best all time back and better posing). But I would definitely rather have Dorians physique.
Remember, when dorian stepped on stage with that physique it smoked everyone else at the time. Though Ronnies is impressive, his competitors had definitely sized up in years since 93.
This awesome video shows why Ronnie Coleman is the Greatest of All time when it comes to pure physique. Dorian or Phil is the best contender to the 2nd spot when they share the rest of the podium based on what and what criteria will be used to measure them. When it comes to the GOAT distinction, Ronnie and Arnold in my opinion are the two GOATs of Bodybuilding. Supersetman took the comparison game to the Next level with these video conparisons. Lets take him to the Silver play button.
Look here, real both on stage: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_ErbttdxpQE.html Ronnie is not taller, not with bigger hands (you do not put muscles on hands) and not with bigger head. Dorian is obviously in the distant plane in your video. Another comparison you can do is via Nasser. Nasser looks as big as Dorian in 1997 but much bigger that Ronnie in 1998. Same weight. I know Ronnie is in big 2003 version here, but c'mon, you deliberately put Dorian in distant plane.
This was close, your scaling is off tho, you can tell even from DY's head he was too small here for this comparison. But comparisons aside I mostly agree, but I feel the rear double bi and rear latspread is not totally in RC's court, it's a really close call here, I'd prolly call it a draw in many ways (on these two poses).
Awesome work. I do think scaling is off a bit. I know Ronnie had more mass, but the difference was not this much. I know Ronnie will win most mass comparisons, however this is bodybuilding which takes into account aethetics and conditioning, Dorian wins in my book.
Love it! But you know what we want! And we know that you know what we want, and that’s 98 Ronaldo Coleman vs 93 Dorian. It shouldn’t even be possible but somehow you’ve made it possible. Cheers SSM.
As always, great concept once again - HOWEVER, this could have been sooo much better had the scaling not been so far off. You have Yates looking like Dexter Jackson next to Ronnie. Ronnie was 287 in '03, Yates 257 in '93, yet you have Coleman looking 50-60 lbs bigger here. You always need to compare the size of the heads, and hands, to get in the ballpark. Ronnie is bald, with a smallish head, compared to Yates, who even with hair, his head appears small next to Coleman here. Same with the hands. Yates is slightly taller than Coleman, as can be seen in the couple rare comparisons where they are on stage together in '96 in a grand prix show. Yet in this vid, Yates appears shorter. With your expertise, I'm sure you can get the scaling more accurate. Maybe next time.
At the challenge rounds that were done before in the Olympia Ronnie Coleman won against Dexter Jackson in the abs and thigh. So yes, thighs matter way more than the form of the abs 😂
Ronnie is too close to the camera on this one. I'm a huge Ronnie fan, maybe the biggest on the channel (no homo) Ronnie looks at least 2 ft in front. Ronnie still wins 10/10 times tho. His muscle shape is just too much better. Flex and Kevin and Sean all pushed Dorian because of their shape. Ronnie had that same shape, but managed to throw more size on than all of them. He dwarfed Kevin and flex by the end.
@@Supersetman Aye I agree 👍 full v’s hard’n dry is very subjective so I guess it comes down to a personal preference...Ronnie spilling over v’s Yates 💎 and tad flat 😃🤷♂
"Granite" conditioning is massively overrated in bodybuilding. It's better to be 95% of the way there conditioning wise and still have all of the round muscle fullness like Ronnie here than to over-diet and look flat in poses like the side chest which Dorian unfortunately did, more often than not.
I'm a big Dorian Yates guy, but the only shot where I see him beating Coleman is in the front abs/thighs. Coleman was absolutely enormous and ripped that year. I think the great Kevin Levrone said it best: "He came out looking like a Silverback Gorilla."
@TheLusianPopa Most Muscular is a mandatory now. And the 90s are long over. And yes his shoulders looked small in most muscular compared to Ronnie. Biceps were asymmetrical and his thighs had no outer sweep.
@TheLusianPopa Dorian has worse symmetry. Especially with those biceps. And asymmetrical back. Of course you don't like the Most Muscular because it shows the glaring flaws from Dorians physique. If it was in Dorians Favour im 100% sure you would agree to include the pose. Haha
2017 Phil v 03’ Ronnie I wanna see Phil’s biggest version with most impressive back in this match up. Also since both their mid sections weren’t so good in the respective years it seems fair.
Very impressive editing. Unfortunately the angle of each original video makes this look odd :). Dorian’s head (& upper body) is too small/Ronnies too big because of the lower camera angle (below the stage looking up), whilst Ronnie’s appears more straight on. Still, what stands out is Dorian’s superior detail/separation; in comparison Ronnie looks not quite competition ready; he’s too bloated and full of water. ‘98 (aside from Gyno) & ‘99 Ronnie would be a better comparison
With this video, side by side comparison the size difference between Ronnie and, not just Dorian but, every other Mr. Olympia competitor in history is much more evident. When people in the comments of vs. videos are always saying about Ronnie's size in 03 giving him the edge in poses where the focus of the pose is close; they really aren't exaggerating. He was the best bodybuilder of all time on that stage in 03. Thanks for the comparison Supersetman. I didn't think this would be possible with the footage I was aware of when you made your first size-accurate video comparison video but here it is.
honestly dorian's back double bicep never really did it for me. For some reason his wide lats don't flare out in the pose, that plus his wide waist and lack of outer quad sweep makes his x-frame really mediocre. Sure he has his strong points like his huge traps and overall back detail and hardness as well as his huge calves, but even taking those into account the balance is off, his muscles don't pop one bit and his asymmetry is very apparent (although admittedly Ronnie's asymmetry is comparable).
Dont completely agree with ur BLS analysis. Ronnies presentation with legs spread apart is better than dorians straight legs. Dorian doesnt show any quad sweep in that pose. Also arms are a factor if you ask me cuz triceps sweep enhances the pose a lot and as bad as ronnies triceps horshoe is his over all sweep of thr triceps is amaying and better than dorians.
Dorian’s rear double is overrated asf. Yes, it is hard and grainy but it’s flat. Lacks the 3D that Ronnie and Phil had. His shoulders and arms are terrible and his upper traps are weak. Downstairs. His quad sweep is non-existent.
First time ever they both are sized correctly......otherwise nothing against dorian ...but everybody argued for.....him winning the back shots....✌️✌️✌️
