I enjoyed you demonstrating the various machines. I recommend you bag the machines even when just practicing, as breaking equipment down, reducing cross contamination, is a skill that requires practice, so might as well practice it as well. Additionally, your depth was inconsistent in general, which translated to weaker lines when they would have been more powerful at proper depth, although, I still extracted a LOT of great information from your demonstration. From the demo, the Hawink MX1 seemed to offer the most consistent resonance, which translates into needle chatter. I would recommend practicing stretching the skin, even if it is fake skin. The primary reason people have difficulty tattooing is from a lack of stretching,... even those with a lot of skill and experience, fatigue and get lazy with their stretching techniques. A good stretch is created from left thumb and palm, left index and middle finger, and third point from tattoo hand outside palm. This creates a triangle of points that prevent the skin from bouncing. A 2 point stretch will actually make the skin taunt, preventing the punctures from vacuuming the ink into the skin when the needle leaves. Voltage generally translates to higher rpm speeds only. Higher speeds actually can work against you by increasing needle variations causing jagged lines even when hand motions are smooth. If you notice the needles spitting ink, its due to too high of a machine speed and your needles are jumping around. You can also get smoother lines from moving your arm, not your hand. so lock the wrist and make the move come from elbow and shoulder. Just a few pointers for ya, take em or leave em. Though I made some critiques, I think the demo was very effective and did offer the machine info I was searching for, so thank you.
Wow, thank you so much for your in depth critiques, I have been reading all of your comments. I appreciate your detailed and kind approach to constructive criticism. Do you have a tattoo RU-vid channel I could check out? You seem to know your stuff and I am always looking for more information resources. (3D Printing is an interest of mine I would like to get more into someday)
@@FloatyTattoo I don't have a channel, i post some stuff on instagram: @naterogersart But its been a while. Im just getting back into tattooing, and learning as much as i can about various pen style machines. the industry changes so quickly! I see you do have a lot of control in your hand control, so I expect learning to tattoo wont be a problem. You'll pick it up with some practice. Took me about 2 years to really feel what was going on with various skin types and machines. Your off to a great start! Once machines are learned and you can get ink in, then its all about the art, producing amazing artwork. Even if the tattoo isn't all that perfect, if the artwork is incredible, the tattoo can always be cleaned up a bit to result in an incredible tattoo. If the artwork isn't that great, then even if the tattoo is executed flawlessly, the tattoo will only look OK, because the visual impact is limited by the artistic interpretation.
Can You recommend some some exercises for improving the quality, and consistency of the line? When im looking for any, i only find excersises on paper, which helps, but the paper isnt really good way, if You cant control the thickness and depth. (Excepts for brush pens)
Baby oil does an amazing job of cleaning fake skins once you are done tattooing. I've been using trueskin lately and it's pretty nice. I really appreciate your reviews, very helpful for beginners like me. 😊
Thank you for your comprehensive and informative reviews and sharing your experience and best practice. Your reviews gave me the confidence to invest in an Archer. Looking forward to trying its. 👍.
Hey there. I wanted to check out that dagger plus I've been having issues with my cnc q2 and I'm out of warranty. Where did you get yours? I really want the bishop shader wand but I don't have that kind of money...
I also had a machine out of warranty. I just let them know it was having issues during the warranty process. It's a challenge to communicate with them, but they are friendly and care about their machines.
Nice review, LOVED the cat, but missed the Mast Tour...? For a rotary pen in the sub-$150 range (as most of these are) the Tour would've been a nice addition to the lineup. And it's quite the little rotary pen for the price. Awesome vid none the less and your cat (cats?) is GORGEOUS!!!
Thank you so much! I have heard many good things about the tour since making this video, I may just have to pick one up. If you want to see more of my cats you can check them out on IG @stormyandstanly
@@FloatyTattoo I'm THERE! They're so adorable! My wife and I have been debating on a breed for our son's first cat and we've been leaning towards a Bengal or a Devon Rex. We LOVE cats!
Dagger x is sold out some places and $350 2021 price. I don’t think it’s fair to the other pens. Someone needs to go q2 vs mast tour pro on real skin compression
Check out my instagram i only use a Q2, so far so good! Color packs, lines, soft shades it’s awesome! I didn’t buy it from amazon tho i got it from CNC itself 👍
My top recommendation right now for getting started is the InkClaw C-charged battery (inkclaw.com use code FloatyLady for 15% off), which you can also find rebranded on Amazon as the Dragonhawk B1, although it is not the updated version. For a wired power supply the BRONC on amazon is decent to get started with. For cartridges I like Rhein for budget friendly or Black Claw for top of the line.
Wow thank you my friend. I really learned alot in this video. If the motor runs at low voltage it does not mean its stronger. Hence it means the motor is smaller. Bigger motor = more longevity and more power
How long does the MAST battery life last on one charge?? I’ve Skaggs been faithful to the OG guns and now I’m looking at the MUMMY R1 … is rotary really better than the OG in most cases or are there better og style guns out there?
The Mast battery life is great, 8-10 hours no problem on a full charge. Rotary is better in many cases, biggest advantages that I see are in ergonomics and convenience, much less vibration (less risk for carpal tunnel and tendinitis) and better weight distribution. The convenience of using cartridges instead of Needle on Bar is great. Lining is where it gets a little tricky to be able to line as fast as you can with a coil because of time the needle spends in the skin on each stroke, or needle dwell time. Check out my video on the Neuma 4 to learn more if you want to see a rotary machine that let's you line as fast as with coil machines while also giving better healing times from my observations.
@@FloatyTattoo .... thank you thats great info ill def check that out. seems a rotary would be good for shading easier than for straight fast lines but ill check tat out thanks again.
i find that the foam paper for scrap booking and stuff works wonders over this fake skin just make sure you get one thick enough. so cheap in comparison too
I didn't see any stiffling/pepper shading,all i see is dotwork/shading.. But yeah the dagger x is a great machine,i love Ambitions soldier,ninja,dragonhawk wraith,stigma wireless etc more,alll in all great review
I love that you want to teach us, but the lines are scratchy because of how you're holding the machine! Try holding it like a rock instead of a pen. And using your shoulder. Never turn up the voltage to get the line.
hello, my name is angel, and i really enjoyed this video i use to make tattoos a really long ago but now days things seems to be way different so i want to coming back and start with tattooing again so my question is which of this amazon Rotary machines do you recommends me to by base on quality and price. cuz im not in the states right now i'm in Dominican Republic. so want to open my shop next year if God allows me to.
Hi Angel, welcome! So I have a few suggestions for newer machines than the ones which are in this video, if you are looking to buy the best machine for the least money I've tried, it is the Mast Saber, which is very similar to the Archer from this video but I like the grip and buttons on it better, it feels nicer in my hand. If you are willing to spend a bit more and invest in a machine which will last you a bit longer I would get the CNC-X-WE (or WE-Plus when they comeback in stock) if you are into Black and Grey Realism work, or if you do more traditional work with bold lines and color I recommend the Rhein 'Red Diamond' or 'Lipstick' Tattoo Pen, it has a very hard hitting motor that can drive larger needle groupings no problem. I will be doing a comparison video on these machines sometime soon. I have reveiws on all of these machines which you can find in my Reviews playlist.
Thank you so much for your help I really appreciate it and Imma Wachtel it out on Amazon to compare prices and then I'll let you know which I'll be buying 😉. Thanks alot I love all your videos.
I use a foot pedal for my wired machines. The wireless ones have buttons. I use a Muso Toku power supply and can use the push button too but I prefer the foot switch.
The one you refer to as the spinny flashlight needs a pre start- power supply or you can bump your voltage up to start it and then back your voltage back down
@@FloatyTattoo also just some constructive criticism. At some point you will need to get into a shop with professionals. it will help you grow and you will learn things that wouldn't be possible by teaching yourself. That fake skin is nothing like real skin. Maybe try some pig skin, there is more to tattooing than the machine and how you pull a line. Your other hand is also doing things. But keep up the practice you can get to your goals. but at some point you will have to learn from some professionals. And practice, practice, practice.
Great video, my only suggestion is pay more attention to where your needle is riding the tube; you'll get cleaner pulls across the board, and a better review overall. Otherwise, GREAT content!!!
Thank you! You should check out my updated version of this video I just released: 👀 The Best Tattoo Pens on Amazon - 2022 👀 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-R8aF9aGukTE.html
Great video thank you .!!! I wish i would have seen this video before I bougth my mast your. Not bad for $ 150 Canadians but I would have rather bougth any of these 3 ,probably the #2nd you reviewed. Great video thanks
@@mauriciorestrepo3906 The second one, Mast Archer I would recommend of the first two, seems to run a bit stronger, with less vibration, and is the best bang for your buck.
Do you tell this to clients? “Hey by the way I don’t actually care about how your tattoo turns out or the fact that it’s permanent and painful for you so I’m just buying the cheapest junk I can find I hope that’s ok with you “
Actually a newer pen (MAST Flip) I have done a review on here ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Ru6UgYXiKCs.html is my new favorite in this price range. Here is a test with it on human skin ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lY8RQWoa7o8.html
the virbration on almost any pen is a fraction of any coil, and more for noise. So for the Q2, both are null points. IMO. And you should not be running your machine on fake skin on a strait table. it's incredibly hard on the machines as most of those are direct drive, and worse for the maxxon. You should at the least have a towel down under it or better yet, mimic actually tattooing and put in on your leg. You're teaching bad habits all around in not wrapping as well.
Why do you think it's incredibly hard on the machines to run them on a straight table, what is the difference? What is the reasoning there? Not sure why it would be worse for the maxxon, it's just a motor brand. I don't usually tattoo people who are sitting on my leg so not sure how that is supposed to help. This is a product demonstration and comparison video where the machines are not being used on a person so wrapping isn't really an issue. Seems like you are grasping pretty hard here to make criticisms. What are your real motivations?
my 2 cents: doing a proper apprenticeship is important in avoiding teaching yourself bad tattooing habits that are difficult to unlearn. machine info was good, thanks.
Back in the late 80's I tried to get someone to teach me and I got laughed at. I was told to go to prison. LOL I finally got a lady with 20 years experience to hire me because of my art skills and drawings. I picked up everything I needed to tattoo in a week and boogied. It isn't rocket science. Most of the people today offering apprenticeships are just exploiting people and no better tattooists than many who are self taught.
If you don’t have time to be an apprentice, you shouldn’t be a tattooed period. Then you don’t have the time to be a good artist and improve and actually learn the correct way.
The q2 is not anything like that That's a bad machine mine is basically a db over whispering air for sound and barely vibrates more then a sharpie. Yea you just got a bad 1 unfortunately
U can contact amazon alone and get another sent. I have a cnc q2 and i use it quite frequently. Guys at the shop were really getting a good one off on me for getting it but after seeing some work put out with it another artist got one and it turned into one of his go toos.
I am working on silicone not people here, I use different voltages for each, and to each their own really, this machine is rated to go up to 10v, really just depends on the hand speed you are comfortable with.
@@scottcarlson3475 Practice is practice. If you're getting in to habits while practicing, you're going to take them with you to the field. Just saying. I've grown and adjusted since then, now line around 8-9 depending on stroke. I only hit ten with a 3mm and below and I work fast.
There’s so much to criticize in this video that I don’t even know where to start but it didn’t bother me because I understand your new to this and it was helpful too those that are shopping for machines on a budget although I would never get one of these have plenty of real brand name machines like bishop and whatnot I have used some of these machines u showed here and they did run well for the price I don’t know about longevity though but kudos on the video keep it going don’t let no one hinder your tattooing goals As you further your career just come back to this video and your gonna see what you’ve done wrong and laugh rookie mistakes all that it is I sure do laugh at old pictures and videos of my early days of tattooing no1 is ever good or do the right steps in the beginning Btw the only thing that truly did bother me about the video was those hideous ginormous gloves girl cmon now lol seriously though I’ll give u one tip wearing smaller gloves gives your hand more fatigue during the session less stress in your hand Since the glove is smaller it compress your hand into a ball more making it easier to grip the machine using less force to keep it balled up like that with the machine in hand
I appreciate your honesty and constructive criticism. The gloves are because of supply chain issues, I ordered small nitrile gloves and was sent these generic vinyl gloves. I have seen another video about wearing them tighter and doubling up for ergonomic reasons as you have mentioned. Just started trying it out and it does seem to work well in helping to hold the machine. Thanks again for taking the time to come and comment in such detail.
@@FloatyTattoo no problem and I was just messing with you about the gloves as long as the job gets done right and clean who cares how they fit your hand or how funny they look on your small hand lol but I totally get it we’re in the middle of a pandemic right now and supplies are limited it was hard to buy in bulk for the shop had to go out to so many places to get enough for all of us here as my supplier would only allow me to buy 2 boxes per order but none the less keep it going with tattooing it’s the best decision in life I ever made
Did u just use straight green soap without diluting it ?? 🤔 SMH!!!it wasn't your V it was your hand positioning when your pulling lines! just because it's called a tattoo pen doesn't mean u use it like a pen !!!
There’s a reason apprenticships are so expensive. It’s a shame anyone can go buy cheap Chinese junk off Amazon and then all the sudden be “a tattoo artist”. It’s like going to a surgeon but instead of sterilized scalpels he has a dirty butter knife. If your not a licensed professional in a licensed shop you shouldn’t be posting this crap acting like you know what your doing. Because we are the ones who end up getting stuck fixing all this kitchen magician scratcher garbage
There is a story of Ansel Adams meeting Ernest Hemingway that goes something like this Ernest Hemingway: "You take the most amazing photographs I've ever seen! What sort of camera do you use?" Ansel Adams: "You write the most amazing stories. What sort of typewriter do you use?" It's not the machine that makes the Artist. Take a look at what Lil B does with a machine he made from scrapyard parts. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nWCQt0LI6mc.html Some people learn best from an apprenticeship, some are better at teaching themselves, and many do best with a bit of both. It's all about what learning style fits you best. You may have missed the part of the video where I say that I am just practicing on fake skin with these machines. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-X5lNK6HQ-Xk.html Thanks for watching and taking the time to share your honest feedback.
I think you need to chill a little bit... Most of the tattoo artists start practicing at home and then with friends. You don't pay for apprenticeship, you get a position in a studio if you have a solid portfolio. If you're lucky and persistent. This video is obviously just a small guide for beginners and someone who would like to start in the tattoo's world. Yes, she is still has a lot to learn herself, but she just posted a review about the pens, this is not a tatt masterclass. A couple of those pens are actually not that bad (cnc q2 and Archer),they're definitely not a £500 Cheyenne pen, but they do a decent job without messing up your skin as other Amazon's crap. So this is helpful for people who has no clue and they were thinking to buy the cheapest pen on eBay. This is what RU-vid was created for, to help people out and share your knowledge/opinion. A lot of tattoo artists are too arrogant to share their experience to help others, but they're the first ones to come after people like her that are trying to help out...
Wow what a an arrogant thing to say, aswell a just being a duck move on your part, you do know some of the best tattooist in the world are self taught right? Not to mention the fact that you watched this video, so what was the reason if you that good why you watching a beginners guide to machines? Ever heard the praise over compensating for something. Yeah that comes to mind....
If you pay attention at all to my channel I am self taught, everything I have done tattoo wise is posted here. Who taught you to tattoo? What does your work look like that makes you qualified to criticize?
bad thing about you you're not a pro artist...it means a lot with using those gloves with large size lol... i think you should learn a lot more...,😂😂😂😂😂
