🔴T-Mobile Home Internet Gateway Comparison and will an External Antenna help 

Many thanks

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Great! Let us know how it goes.

I'm getting 450 mbps down, 233 mbps up using the G4AR with a " Good " Signal ( 3 bars ). You should be rocking it when you get the 4x4. Did you get it yet? How was the improvement (?), since you started using it, if you have it.

I did get it set up and my download was about 150 and upload increased to 50! Since then there was an update on my tower and my download speeds now hit 300 sometimes. 150-225 usually during the day thought. Upload seems consistent at 50. Gateway shows excellent at 5 bars so not sure why I don't get better speeds.

@@Grem135 It might take a bit. I have notice I get updates once a week for the first few months. I'm not sure but I think they are tweaking specific routers to help with connectivity. I do know they only allow a certain amount of 5g home users to a specific tower. I don't know the number. When I first set it up I got 150mbps/50 up. I was receiving an update daily for the first week. Then once a week for about a month or so after. Now it's randomly once a month I get an update. Slowly making my speeds more stable. Now I get almost exactly the same number when running my speeds test. 440mbps-460mbps down, 220mbps-250mbps up. You might try a quick call to them, they may be able to change some settings on your router to get it running faster.

@@philphil3386 have had a lot of signal drops lately and no internet at all for a few hours about 3 days ago. Turns out they were working on the tower I connect to. Once it came back on it seemed faster but still not stable. For the next 24 hours my gateway rebooted at least 5 times. The updates you mentioned? Yesterday was hitting 270-325 down but download only 30+35. Today it's been very stable . Only 1 stutter and no reboot. Speeds pretty much the same. I will check the aim on my waveform 4x4 antenna when I can. Looks like storms most of the week.

Thanks for the question. I am not a fan of cellphone boosters - They are themselves radios and can only repeat what they receive. These radios do not repeat the entire spectrum but only a small set of stations, I would much rather go with an external antenna. I have found two external modem products from a company in Brazil that are pretty great. Brazil is a mountainous country and they routinely pull signals from up to 20 miles away!! Earlier today, I drove out to a dead spot along the highway to test out their $199 4G modem/antenna. I will be posting that video tomorrow. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-trkwxC8j0nY.html They also make a 5G modem/antenna at $699, it is more expensive but literally the fastest modem I have ever tested. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SqJ5e8w8iio.html

Here is the HINT app HINT App on GooglePlayStore tinyurl.com/HINT-5G It is android only but I have no control over that. Here is the video I first mentioned the HINT app. It is about positing your TMHI gateway ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4E7ogM9AVSY.html

Lots of good topics here. First off, the T-Mobile gateway is not bad it just has internal antennas. Getting the signals outside is a HUGE help! The newer gateways have those ports outside but that is only going to save you 20minutes worth of work. You would still need to spend money on an antenna and cabling. Many of these antennas are highly directional which is not great for an RV that is constantly moving around. If that is the case, I would recommend looking at the Yeacomm NR610 modem that I have reviewed. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6uXWAI8bXBY.html It hold two SIM cards, so if TMHI was not working for you, you could easily switch to Verizon or AT&T. This device has places your Modem outside and picks up a huge number of bands... even will aggregate multiple 4GLTE signals. Note: you need an access point for inside. This acts as a modem only.

Jack, here is a video that will probably help you a lot. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4E7ogM9AVSY.html I have been very happy with the TMobile service, it has been very responsive and fast but... unlike a phone, the network treats Home Internet users as lower priority, meaning that they can slow you down to balance their network needs. So during the late evening you might get 15Mbps and during peak times you might get 4Mbps. Now a BETTER signal could flip that on its head and you could get 100Mbps! When we think better signal we think BARS but that is not the full story. It is all about RSRQ and SiNR scores too. Watch the video and let me know what you find.

Scores are just scores. If it feels right and you are happy with the speed, don't change anything!

@PeterC408 - Fair enough...thanks for your input! Awesome channel by the way. You put out some good stuff.

@@brianwilson1979 thanks. It will be neat to see how your scores improve as time goes on and n77 rolls out. 😀

USB type-C is more than just a connector, it is a specification that can provide up to 100W of power. Sounds like you just need a better USB type-C power source. Just cause it fits doesn't mean it will work.

@@PeterC408 thanks. Will get something

Doctor, will glasses make me see better? The answer is most likely YES but if you are already getting really good scores, an antenna will not help. Here is a new 4x4 antenna from WaveForm and it tested very well. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lyI8qS_LhLA.html

That sounds pretty amazing. Allow me to say, you might not benefit from an external antenna.

Let's see... two big questions here. 1. Can you take TMHI with you? T-Mobile is trying to sell excess bandwidth in markets where excess bandwidth exists. In fact, once they have enough Home Internet customers in a given area, they close it. Some people have been successful taking their solutions on the road but often complain that it is slow. Here is how TM manages it - They have made Home Internet users lowest priority on the network. This means that if other people are trying to use their phones, they come first. This is also why some people claim that their service fluctuates from being very fast to very slow. They probably brought their unit somewhere it does not belong. 2. WeBoost Signals are not the right way to improve your signal. In general, these devices were designed to give you phone reception, not bandwidth. One of these products got the only Negative Review that I have ever given. Watch this video to see how deceptive these devices can be ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1wJhVV5hDK4.html Sure, I got more bars but with no measurable improvement!!!! GET AN ANTENNA - IT IS A MUCH BETTER SOLUTION. Better yet, look at this device, ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MWqcj_P-JG0.html This is an outdoor modem with an omni-directional 4x4 MIMO antenna built in

Verizon is a fine service if it reaches you. They cap their service at 100Mbps but there is a case to be made for that.

It all matters what you signal is like. B2/n41 is a great start but what is your RSRP, SiNR and RSRQ? If those looking good and little improvement is possible, you may want to up your PRIORITY... you can get a business account with T-Mobile... same money... but you could also try changing bands. 5GSA could get your band N41 and N78 and you would be pulling 2.5Gbps when all is said and done!!!

My signal are all strong….What do you mean by changing bands? Switch the antenna hook ups internally?

Let us know. Sounds pretty good. If you run into a NAT issue, I want to hear about it.

You can thank your switch to T-Mobile for making cable companies willing to come back down to earth with their pricing. Two things to keep in mind, T-Mobile is going to bet better with 5G SA and bands rollouts like n77 !! That is going to be 2.5Gbps+ and cable is definitely going to raise your rates as soon as they can.

@@PeterC408 agreed, no way cable would have lowered their rates without T-mobile pushing them. And in 2 years, the very day they raise the rates and they will try I will simply tell them to lower it back or cancel it that day. I flatly refuse to pay anymore than $50 for internet anymore

@@nunyabizz50 Cable company usually has a contract, no contract with TM.

@@EarlBalentine usually yes, in my case right now no contract and two years guaranteed not to raise price.

It is best to keep antenna runs short (30ft or under). If you need to bandlock n41 you may want to get a different gateway. Scores are just scores, what's your experience like?

@@PeterC408 overall things have been fine, but my router is on the other side of the house and in the attic so i'm mostly limited by the 2.4ghz wifi that I have to run in order to use it. That's why I want to move the gateway to a better location. With the gateway in the attic i've had to reboot it several times more frequently than when it was down below and my antenna was in the attic. But no n41 band with antenna in attic... One weird thing is it takes a looong time to connect to a website/domain. once connected, it's fine. It feels like a DNS thing, since all my machines do it, but i'm not sure. if i'm on 5ghz near the gateway, I can pull 450mbps which isn't too bad, but that initial connection is always slow no matter what

@oobligah that's odd. My initial connection is solid. I don't use its WiFi. It gets Hot and easily overloaded. I use it as a modem only. Sounds like this would work for you too. Just run an Ethernet to where you want your access point and put one there. Look at my video for the Netcom Orbi mesh wifi.

lol, lightning, yay!

Do you have the ability to rotate the antenna or is its direction fixed? I really like the Waveform 4x4 MIMO KIT amzn.to/3s9i9SY but it is directional. 30 feet with a low loss cable is okay. You also should see this option. The G4AR is strong because it has external antenna inputs but it still only supports 5GNSA. 5GSA is going to be the future however the G4AR does support N78 which is pretty exciting. 5GSA will give you a better balance of upstream and downstream and should get you better PINGs as well.

​@@PeterC408 yea shouldn't be a prob to point in the general tower location, i was also thinking a bought that bobcat 500 5g hotspot as well will 6ft seperation rule be ok with its placement?

that might be a bit to much going on but ide rather go big then go home :) omni style on top, probably cable inside the pole if possible, noill cable it on out side, dont wanna damage the wire

Those seem like some pretty good scores so if it works for you and you don't need the ability to serve or port forward then you don't need to make any further changes. Now if you want the ability to run a security camera DVR or serve PLEX to friends and family then you do need to replace this gateway. Right now your modem even though you turn the Wi-Fi off is still doing NAT, which means you have a double net situation but that's not a big deal at all and in fact can make your network more secure.

@@PeterC408 🤔 thanks for the response! I think I'll just stick to what I have! It works very well and is faster than what spectrum has to offer! We have ours on battery backup since power goes out in the borderline sticks! Our son has to have Internet lol

Hi David, even the 5G experts tell us that each installation is unique. There are so many factors that can effect our reception. Many towers now use beam-forming to point their signals certain directions to cover a freeway or reach a far away city, shooting right over our heads... but that said, you are getting signal and pretty good signal. Do you have an external antenna yet? If not, perhaps that is all you need is something like this ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lyI8qS_LhLA.html but if you really want to see something crazy take a look at this one ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gMRfklUD_E4.html

@@PeterC408 Thank you for your prompt response! You've already been a great help. I do not have an external antenna yet. So far I'm happy with download speeds but I am concerned with stability, ping, etc and we have a forest, one large metal garage off to the right of line of sight and an incline of about 2000 feet difference to account for.

Sometimes you just have to admit that you don't know.... this is one of those times. That said, ask your TMobile Business Internet rep the same question. They would probably be happy to help you transition from the evil empire that is Comcast. Let me know. I know someone that could use this info too.

@@PeterC408@ PeterC408 I found a working solution if you want to hear the details. Tested today, I can send and receive calls from this GSM to VoIP device with a T-mobile SIM, and best of all, by porting my phone number from Comcast to T-mobile, I was offered buy one, get one free iPhone 15 pro with interest-free financing. With the new line and equipment from T-Mo, I'm saving around $50.00 per month, and I'm seeing a speed of +400 kbps down and 60 up. Never saw that with Comcast business.

Nice.

Check out this new 4x4, perfect for the 4GAR ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lyI8qS_LhLA.html

If it is fast on your computer but slow on her computer, than it is isnt the signal, it is probably something with her computer or your network. Is it an old PC? Maybe the Network Interface card is old. Is it wired or wireless? Maybe it has WiFi 802.11b when the rest of the world is doing 802.11ax

I love a good project but dishes, just like antennas, are designed for certain frequencies. Not only are we hoping we can capture the right one but somehow reflect it towards a poorly made device and make it better. It reminds me of Gilligan's Island when the professor makes a radio out of coconuts. Her is a better solution and it is on Black Friday sale. amzn.to/3MYqjVB It is a better gateway that is placed outside with a proper 4x4 MIMO antenna inside. You can position it outside where the signals live and not only will it perform better but look a lot better too. Sure you might make your signal slightly better but this is the Internet and I am willing to invest a little to make my life more comfortable. A $400 investment, is less than $20/mo in less than 2 years. I have seen people use those dishes to focus the sun and cook hotdogs. I like that idea a lot better.

@@PeterC408 I took both my Arcadyan and my sagemcom to the top of my roof and all it did was add more noise and lowered my speeds so I don’t think the yeacomm models would work for me. I have two 2x2 antennas that I got from Signal Plus (a Bitcoin mining company) for a steal at $50 though and I mounted those to my garage wall and they worked great but probably not as good as a dedicated 4x4 would be. Just thought a dish as a reflector might make for an interesting video experiment on parabolic reflectors since people are trying anything to save a buck, including using tinfoil lol.

That is odd. I was going to ask if the Trash Can has a SIM card but I bet you've checked that. Most people are clamoring to get the White one with external inputs. Not only does it have external antennas but gets many more 5G bands including the long anticipated, still rolling out, n77 @ 3.7GHz. I bet half the world would be willing to trade you. Just curious, why are you buying gateways over the internet when TMobile gives them for free. The TrashCan unit is pretty good but it only gets n71 and n41. The next unit gets n25 then n19 and only the last two give n77. That's going to be money but only for those who have an external outdoor antenna like this one. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lyI8qS_LhLA.html This one is super small and tested super well.

It is an interesting Idea but I have not seen any radio that will do that. Keep in mind that most of these radios are 5G NSA, meaning that your primary signal is 4G. What you want to do for upload is find a good 4G band to lock to. Some bands have much better uplinks than others. Personally, I have found that 5G SA (n41&n25) give me a good balance of up and down.

T-Mobile is a wonderful service but let's just say that gateways are not their thing. The have farmed out the gateways to several companies and most of them are adequate for most users. That said, if you are not happy with the reception you are getting, you have two options: 1. Go Outside to get the signal (antenna) or 2. Live with what you get. For many people, the signal they are getting is good enough to replace their existing internet. If you want/need more, external antennas are great and I have used many. It is like a pair of glasses, it only helps if you need glasses.

The very first link is to the video that talks about HINT... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4E7ogM9AVSY.html You can find the link there, but isn't it better to learn how to use it first? Here it is HINT App on GooglePlayStore tinyurl.com/HINT-5G posting this brings nothing to me.

Have you tried rebooting gateway? Before you do, look and see which bands you are getting? N41 might have changed to N71

@OOTheBlueAir I do not have a CPE pro 5. I think what happened is that to save tooling costs, many vendors will use a reference design for their plastic casing. The can literally put anything in there. Just because the outside looks the same says nothing about the internals. Sure the plastics of the CPE pro 5 look just like the Yeacomm NR330 but once another company ships it, it could be anything. Well made case, if I might add. Really challenging to take apart.

I have not seen this feature on any of the gateways that TMobile currently provides, but I have it on mine. If you have been following my channel, I am been turning off WiFi and using my own router. This can complicate things by creating a double NAT (not a big deal) but I have managed to conquer this as well. I am now running 3rd party gateways in bridge mode (so modem only). This enables me to user my NetGear Orbi Mesh gateway and pass through the IP address, eliminating double NAT. Of course we still have the changing IP cause by T-Mobile's use of CG-NAT, but I fixed that using DDNS and No-IP service. Now I get 700Mbps down 140Mbps and can finally serve my data like a real person. I am reviewing a new gateway that I am embargoed on... not available just yet but it is the fastest I have seen to date. Goes outside and built into a 4x4 MIMO antenna. Bridge Mode and 5G SA (real 5G, not 5G NSA like Tmobile send you). Subscribe so you don't miss that!

Great question but it kicks off a 1 hour conversation. See the signals that travel the furthest are the lower frequencies, like n71 @ 600MHz it goes far but is not full speed. Full Speed ends at like 300ft from the tower

I have had T-Mobile for 15 years and must say, that I have been happy with their service most of the time. It is exemplary, actually. As far as 5G signal... allow me to say, nobody does it better. In the USA, wireless frequencies are controlled by the FCC. You must bid and buy frequencies and this happened years ago. T-Mobile played this game masterfully. They bought low and mid band frequencies for coverage (big country) and planned on aggregating them together to get the speed back. It works!! No body reaches further or covers better. Verizon might light up a sports center with highspeed but you can't even walk to the restroom without loosing connection. They spent $54B on the wrong frequencies!!! T-Mobile spend $9B and is covering the US so much better. Saying you had T-Mobile as a phone provider was laughable 15 years ago, now it is respectable... soon, it will replace Verizon and AT&T. You can do with that what you want. Not sure why your connection goes down but I bet that is just a short term growing pain and not the reality. T-Mobile is also rolling out faster 3.7GHz bands that will give even faster speeds. I am expecting even more speed improvements to come, both up and down!

Absolutely! I use a VPN all the time (well most of the time) and it works great. I use IPVanish and I get over 100Mbps with VPN on!

Thanks

Almost everyone's wifi is faster than their Internet connection. Are you talking about peer to peer connections?

@@PeterC408 the Ethernet port speeds are way slower than when connected to the WiFi which is weird, I looked up on Reddit and it’s an known issue in sagemcom gateway

The Gateways that T-Mobile sends you have very little user control over access point and modem features. Band Locking is a requirement for many of us. I have explored many 3rd party solutions that get better signal, allow pure 5G, Bridge Mode support and more. I am working with one right now that will blow you away. Out door unit with directional 4x4 MIMO. Stellar performance! Subscribe because the video is coming soon and will sell out quickly!

Xfininity has a nationwide network of WiFi hotspot that you can grab just about anywhere. Make sure you call them and get your login. When I had Comcast, I used it all the time. If you get a little device like this ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NYjzChGkomg.html you can pick up Xfininty hotspots and rebroadcast them to yourself you can also tether your phone and give yourself internet. Perhaps something like this would save you some cash.

Here is my new favorite solution, it is an outdoor antenna with the modem built inside. It acts as a modem only which means that I can use my mesh system and not fall into a double NAT scenario. I think this is the best solution I can imagine ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gMRfklUD_E4.html This thing will beep like a metal detector and help you find the optimum direction.

There is a setting in Firmware internal/external. 192.168.12.1

Not true at all. Just like if you are born with perfect vison, you need to spend exactly ZERO on glasses. Got straight teeth, BOOM!!! You just saved yourself $10,000. Same thing with Cell signal. If you have the goods, you got the goods and you are done but if you have crooked teeth kind of signal, you need to spend the money honey!

Sounds like you need this ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SqJ5e8w8iio.htmlsi=BZj6p6ODwDFFH6nw

Lol. Ummm, okay. That is not true. I was showing the progression as they came out. They totally support different bands and are made by different manufacturers. It is not T-Mobile that wants to utilize anything, it is Nokia, Arkadian and Sagemcom. How about the 5G SA? I can assure you that my Nokia does not support n25, n66 or n77.

Add to that is there still is no band locking and it is still 5G NSA (so based off of 4G Lte) oh and it still requires an outdoor antenna for $399. That is my biggest complaint. Thanks for putting the ports on the outside but that only took me 30 minutes and cost $9!

​@@PeterC408just buy APA-L2458M912 for like $50 cable depending where you want to place the antenna.

Most walls on average are white. Blends in. I usually get black things too, but I realized I don’t want to draw attention to appliances

@@hoopininit I agree I prefer white, but like Verizon’s home internet router is all white, tmobiles is a bad mix of black and white

What are you running into?

Twice I have called them and got them to agree, send me paperwork confirming the order and have it miss shipped as the wrong product. Now I am awaiting a pile of return labels and have billing issues. It has been a real PAIN and all to get a gateway that still only performs 5G NSA and requires an external antenna. The Yeacomm is starting to look like a better deal. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HU7TQ97cv9s.html

White spray paint 🎉

...I got one

Blocked by whom? How?

@@PeterC408 T-mobile “not allowed” message

@@SkypowerwithKarl on the device or on the phone?

Make sure you're on the same Wi-Fi network

You have huge expectation for the RU-vid community to provide you all the answers you desire. I am a consumer just like you, freely sharing my knowledge and time. You probably can tell that I understand this pretty well, but instead of asking a good question you chose to use your energy to complain. I wonder, "How's that working for you Bro?"

Lol. I'm showing you what's available on the web. These are resources you can find. You're not supposed to try and read it from my screen! 😂 I left (blatantly obvious) links to the pages that I'm showing. The web is filled with terrible presentations but I don't think this is one of them. I must say that, "delusional lack of empathy" made me laugh. I'm going to put that as my epitaph to this world. So much better than, "doesn't play well with others". Do you know how many physics textbooks I've read that had complete lack of empathy towards the understanding of the reader? All of them. I think some of them were poorly written but I've never been so self-confident as to write the author and tell them so. Best of luck getting the world to cater to your needs, ramjet4025.