🗣 What is Quiet quitting? & why it's prevalent in tech culture 

Josh???? hello????? 🥲

This really is right up your alley. Glad to see you here :D

@@Sakurambo great video, make more!

Would love to see you both collaborate on a skit.

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Yes I don't really like my job but I love what it provides for me and my family. This pandemic has people rethinking working

@Anushka Anushka right now I run my own business and While I was still in service I planned towards early retirement, making about 3k weekly from my retirement investment portfolio trying so much to build more side hustles and extra income

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This is a very valuable info thanks for sharing Sandra I've really learned something new here

Gary vaynerchuk feels like one of the culprits of perpetuating hustle culture to an extreme.

But of course, these businesses are made and ran with the intention of making a profit. It is why most of the time you shouldn't feel like you owe them anything, and move jobs whenever it benefits you. You'll always be working to make someone else money unless you take it upon yourself to freelance, get a government job or start your own business. Most people lack the discipline to start their own business though, they'd rather put the bare minimum into being an employee for instant gratification now, then complain about it.

Yep and "multitasking" is essentially doing what used to be 2 jobs but getting paid for 1.

You must work were I work. Spot on.

So true, im going through that now. I try "try" to mention this would be better but of course the PHD Master boss, manipulates it to be like this is the only thing that is valid...do it or be fired. I liken it to just grabbing someone off the street to fly a plane...imagine that and think about it for a while.

Spot on!!

Once you see it as BS, you can’t unsee it as BS, and thus begins the downward spiral.

This is where grit and a strong mind come in to break all that nonsense down. Think about every single great invention or innovation..takes a team, a common culture, intelligence and serious skills to get shit done and get it done right. You want to simp and cry about soul crushing jobs and not do anything about it? Thats entitlement. get off the internet and maybe don’t go out lol

Me too. Working remote 100% now and it has changed my life for the better drastically. It's not for everyone, but it works for some :)

Me too!

I want to work from home so bad. One of reason I’m considering

Recently, I don’t know why Google, Facebook and Musk are saying wfh ppl are slackers! We’ve shown during early Covid that work still gets done! Wfh especially helps where office ppl can just stay at home, and the traffic is greatly reduced. It gives lab workers that have to be onsite, less commute time. Overall less office drama also helps everyone.

@@MrDarthvis I suspect they have significant investments in professional real estate. It's one of the main arguments against wfh becoming the norm since it will utterly devastate the price/rent of offices. Also I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of useless managers struggle to remain inconspicuous when the team works from home.

Thanks for these kind words. I was raised by a businessman from the Boomer generation and he simply doesn't understand what it's like to work for a salary.

Yes! This! At school I did well - but I enjoyed school and learning stuff. University, the same - I remember my parents asked whether I was "ready" for the next year and I gave them my club and social life schedule - studies hadn't started by then. About a year into my first IT job I was talking with a colleague and he had the work / life balance down to a fine art. Go home and immediately change clothes and in the process purge work. Return to work and re-engage and work until the end of the work day. I followed suit and that was that. Work at work and then stop when you are off the clock. I don't really agree with this - absolute minimum - idea but I can see that if you have become indoctrinated into a culture where all your time is company time actually rocking up at 9 leaving at 5 might feel like the absolute minimum but that's just doing your contracted obligations which is all you should be doing unless there is some directly attributable compensation for anything extra. In my first IT job I persuaded the company to change from Lotus 1-2-3 * Wordperfect * dBase (??) to the Lotus Smartsuite - $1600 per seat to $500 x 60 users. I saved them $66000 in one day, in my first month of work, but was payed $15500 a year. A thank you. here's a one time $6000 bonus for your great help!! That'd motivate me ... and anyone else saving the company money . But of course I got nothing and I'm sure the IT director took all the credit. Since then ... you pay for this I do this. I'm pretty good at what I'm paid to do and have been lucky enough to enjoy doing it but I'm not going to "give away" the only thing I can't get any more off - time! I remember once being asked if I wanted to do overtime, I said "no, thank you", the manager said "you'll get time and a half" ... I said "that's fine, no thank you". The look I got was shock ... hey, hey extra money!! I just wasn't interested I lived within my means and didn't really have need / interest in extra.

🤣🤣🤣 Yesssss😏... I had great attendance bc I wanted to see my friends all day everyday... we had way too much fun WHILE getting great grades and being #1 in all our sports... we got good grades so we could KEEP OUR FREEDOM TO PLAY PLAY PLAY... 😏 n THAT is the American Dream People... Have More Fun... and MAKE.SHIT.FUN!!!!

I graduated 3.93 in math/comp sci. Hustled for the first 30ish years. After getting kicked to the curb multiple times over the years due to mergers, etc. I just don't see the point of being "exceptional" anymore. I'm gonna cruise to retirement, if I can pull it off😎

very bad if you want to accomplish big things in life that you love, very good for working in companies and finishing highschool lol.

Some of the best things I did were to grab corporate clients from a big corporate courier co.

This! Well said!

Facts.

100% agreed when people have the means to quit. I only felt better after taking a break and switching to a job aligned with my career goals + better work life benefits.

@@Sakurambo Yep, the means and opportunity. I mentioned upthread that I am 53 and have ZERO desire to work for another company, instead I'm working on starting my own business which takes time. I just do NOT have the motivation or inclination to dust off my resume again and start over at some job I don't really want.

Until you’re forced to get yet another job

@@roxannesmith4519 Start your own business and dedicate yourself to it fully. I started my online business in 2018 while working a job full time and worked on it every night after I put the kids to bed for 3 hours before I went to sleep. Slowly and steadily it grew. My job (boss, actually) was unbearable and the compensation was terrible, especially with the inflation over the last 2 years. I spent all of 2021 in total resentment after one department got a cost of living raise and my department was ignored. I immediately "quiet quit" and went from the most loyal and hardest worker (I developed electronic systems on my own time in 2018 to increase intra departmental efficiencies that were adopted by the corporate office at all the branches, for example) and I turned into the worker who wouldn't do anything on the job unless I'd get fired for not doing it. The resentment that year was terrible for my blood pressure and anxiety. Thankfully my office was on the opposite end of the property from the boss and I started bringing my laptop to work and just spent 5-6 hours of my day working on my business while on the clock. By November of 2021, I had replaced 90% of my job's monthly income with my online business (and I had saved every penny of my online business for over a year which covered my bills for months and months). Before Thanksgiving I packed my stuff in my car and all my tools that I bought that should have been provided to me and went in his office and politely asked about a raise and was literally laughed at and dismissed. "With the economy like it is, no one is getting a raise." I simply said, "well, this is how I thought it would go." I turned around, walked across the property to my office, left the keys on the desk, deleted the RU-vid channel I had built for the company on my own time (that showed the other departments how to do our job if there was an emergency or if we were off property) and changed the master password on the software program that was used that took our company from the paper age to the digital age for the last 3 years. Now they'd have to go paper again until someone replicated what I created. I jumped in my car and was liberated. Since the only other guy in my department was hospitalized with Rona and wouldn't be returning until late January, they now had 2 months without my department and no one to train a new person. My boss called me on the way home and I screened his call. He called me again and I picked up. He asked "WTF?" I simply said, "Your actions, and lack of action, have consequences. Good luck getting by without us. BTW I'm no longer an employee so I will be removing your number from my phone and will screen your call from here on out. Have a good one!" Now, I'm making more than I ever made while working a job and I do it in my robe at the dinner table. I'm NEVER going back to a job. This economy and poor management are causing "brain drain" in the workforce. Anyone with intelligence and ambition is finding a way to escape the job market altogether, and they wonder why they can't hire anyone. We're done with their BS and done with being exploited. We're not lazy like the media suggests, we're taking advantage of the options that the internet gives us.

But it takes courage sometimes

100000% 🤝🏽

Me too. I have zero confidence and self belief due to traumatic work experiences

If it makes you feel better, you are hardly alone.

I do love that this is not a new thing. If the company that you've invested your time and labor for, only cares about the bottom line, then you lose your motivation to do your best and give your best. I used to give the company so much of my personal time, and didn't really care about it, until I got a new boss that was a clock watcher. He harassed me enough that I quit giving the "free" time and just clocked in and out per the requirements. They definitely lost in that deal. Why give extra when it's not appreciated? I get paid the same if I work my ass off, or get just the minimum done.

putting up an act is so true. I feel that especially in tech, ambition is really high, and everybody feels pressure to "show" others that they're working hard. I've felt this a lot myself.

Okay if your quiet quitting since day one, then that's not the company that's you.

You probably have adhd

Bingo same!!

@@emerson-sheaapril8555 all companies will eventually disappoint you. Why waste the energy?

I worked field service at a tech company where several of my coworkers quit. For 3 months I was the only tech. I had worked there just long enough to where I stepped up my game and kicked a$$. When the service dept was restaffed, and I x trained them. I kicked back, as I was fried. The a_hole owner noticed, and I was soon fired, but later re_hired. Work is Bs. Nothing but back stabbing and politics.

The re-org is unfortunately SO real. I empathize with you. I've had 7 managers in less than 3 years and I'm exhausted of having to advocate so hard for myself. I'm sorry to hear about this and I hope that you get what you feel you deserve.

Sound to me you were too good for your job, that is why you never get promoted. If they promote you, they would have to higher 3-5 people to do your job and often with higher pay because most company Acquisition rate/pay is higher than their retention rate.

This is me too

Did you try changing companies/jobs?

For what it's worth, it's not exactly a secret that to get ahead in tech you have to actually change companies. They simply do not prioritize existing workers at the same level as attracting new people.

never work harder when presented with more deadlines. start setting new deadlines you are not a robot.

Weird, we must work at the same place.

Sounds like a public hospital too...

definitely, by all means this is not "new" but we definitely grew up in a culture of expression (maybe even oversharing on social media, haha) and I personally think it's good we can talk about it!

@@Sakurambo yep, totally agree. I love that we’re calling attention to stuff like this!

Just curious as someone that's also a creative freelancer. Did you go back to school to get to where you are now?

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yeah me too. im in construction management. and i just focus on doing the work provided. i could take opportunity to learn but that results in overtime which i won't do. so i found what will work better is doing work at another company by applying for a promotion type position.

Yes. Healthcare U.S.A. is so managed and layered with managers. The ones who really do the work-work are burnt out, and top mgt. is so clueless -- being so many layers away. Quiet quitting sends the message to top mgt., eventually, as corporate stock $inks.

Also in healthcare and am so burnt out. I show up, take care of the patients, do the minimum on the required paperwork, and go home. Don’t talk to me about a promotion. I’m too smart to take it.

First of all, thank YOU and all the healthcare workers, and the essential workers who don't get the recognition and support y'all deserve. I'm so sorry to hear you're hating the workplace. Your patients are lucky to have someone who cares.

Yes thank you for caring for your patients! I know what you mean about the layers. It’s sad but the reality is that most jobs start to wear on you after a while.

Build a tiny house and rent it out on Air BnB

How have you made out?

Same here currently serving notice period. Hope you are doing well.

Absolutely. I heard some good advice the other day: “if you couldn’t do it, you simply wouldn’t have the opportunity.” You were chosen for the role because people think you would be great at it. This is what I try to tell myself now when I feel like an imposter 😂

I've observed people who are good at presenting their work. Poke a little deeper and they start becoming unsure. When someone talks confidently, it might appear as if they know a lot. No one knows everything, most people are just good in their respective silos. If you feel others know more than you and are excelling in their work, you may be somewhat right. But understand that you will also know things that they won't and you can excel in your own work. Just keep learning and increasing your skill level. Showcase your accomplishments and talk confidently. That's how you beat the imposter syndrome.

@@balaji1980 Thank you so much. That's the plan!

@@balaji1980 that makes sense, people tend to focus on how to "perfectly" present their work - but more importantly, they also need to prepare and practice how to deal with questions that they do not know the answer to. It is okay not knowing how to the answer at that moment in time, but there is also a good and bad way to respond to it during a meeting or presentation.

I was told in my first year with my employer that the highest rating (exceeds expectations) basically required walking on water. I've been happy with "meets expectations" (the next highest rating) since then, and I've been promoted several times. No need to kill myself to fail to get a better rating IMO.

fair enough 😂

same

Hi Diogo, thanks so much for sharing your story. I am so incredibly sorry for your loss. I'm glad to hear you're productive and happy now in your workplace with a good balance of your life outside of it. Totally understand the WFH -- I think it's definitely not for everyone, and being able to do what suits you most is important.

In the U.S. that’s known as “disengaging”.

Well.. It will work at any job. There is no way you can hide from it. The best thing to do is to keep changing jobs at, lets say, 2 years and using your best time to make side projects that can also give you money

wtf 12 hour a day 7 days a week is the equivalent of nolife, do you want to no life.,

If you are open to unsolicited rando advice, I'd like to offer just this one idea. Put that time you were going to put towards your current job into finding another employer. Unless the 12/7 pays quite a bit more and you are saving up a nest egg to support you during your job hunt.

I find it ironic that some of the hardest/smartest workers are the hardest on themselves. We need to take more time to appreciate how much we do and focus on what's best for us. The company will run with or without us. This is the story I keep telling myself to try and not feel guilty. Hope that you are living life and enjoying it.

I've realized, I just need to get on Zoom calls more and just BS better and create some word salads...then you're a genius. I went into tech to avoid this political BS but it's still there.

I like the very simple approach to this (skill = paid). I also think people don't understand that the "minimum" is still a high output in tech. So quiet quitting does not mean doing nothing, you're still pretty much doing your job well but saying no to extra projects or things outside your scope. The high expectations of doing anything and everything is what causes burnout, I think. Thanks for watching :)

You’re definitely not alone. Hope things are better now? :)

@@Sakurambo Not exactly but I am definitely moving a bit forward, learning, struggling, like a duckling struggle to swim.... : ) Hope u keep these eye opening content up as a direction guide for girls like me in freshly dropped in the workplace, many love!

@@jasontodd518 half the battle is trying, and you’re doing just that! I’m wishing you all the best ❣️and thank you for your support. It means the world to me. I’ll continue to try and create content that’s valuable ☺️

Set yourself a deadline! Your health matters.

Good job!

Hi Christel -- I'm so sorry to hear you're in this position. I'm not sure if it helps at all, but I have absolutely felt similarly before, feeling as if I am just a number, completely replaceable, and 100% burnt out. What ultimately helped me is to work in a new job, but making changes like the position you're doing, your manager, your company -- I know easier said than done, but some environmental changes closer to the ideal state of how I wanted to work ultimately led to my recovery from burnout. I certainly hope that you will have the opportunity to make such changes, and until then take care of yourself and your loved ones. Remember, work is a part of life -- not our life. If it helps at all, I've made a video about burn out as well as how I pivoted careers that you might find useful on my channel. I'm rooting for you, please stay well.

American office jobs are salaried - no overtime. Usually only hourly workers - typically labor or part time jobs - are eligible for overtime. And in those jobs, managers usually closely monitor employee hours to ensure they DON'T work overtime. But the tendencies for burnout are most common in the salaried jobs where you are pressured to work longer hours with no guarantee of any benefit, like at tech companies.

I think it depends on a company and also country in Europe. In private Tech industries and start-ups in Estonia(Europe) people go to company paid therapy to handle their consistent burn-out. There is paid overtime for some sectors of employees, but mostly and "worsely" there is no official overtime, but you are pretty much expected to perform 100% all the time. And if you are not able to do that, you will do unpaid overtime to "catch up". Already during my training they said that our job is to do 200 hours of work with 160 hours. It was all "jokesy" at first, but if your manager knocks on your shoulder you better show what you got. Some employees even complained that they don`t have enough time to pee as they were hyperfocused on meeting their KPI`s. I was part of the management meeting where some managers tried to opt for a positive change and reduce the workload of our employees(as the research showed people are burned out due to demanding quotas) and the higher manager laughed it off with another one that employees these days are such snowflakes xD The same higher up was on sick leave/vacation for 50% of the time(literally) and of course we had to pick up the slack without any extra pay.

Interesting comment. Definitely think culture can play a part here. After all, American companies will have American working culture embedded into it.

And if you ARE the owner,treat your staff well especially if circumstances conspire to force your staff to go above and beyond for a short term.