#1 upgrade for your Airplane, cheap too!! 

It's a great team that has shown how to be successful in this world.

Nice!

thanks!

hahahaha, so true!

Even earlier, cars have had electronic ignition since the 1970s.

Nice! Good to know on that tach.

100% agree

That's what I did on both occasions.

Thanks for your comment, glad you enjoyed the video!

That's great! Check back in when you get it installed. I'd be curious to know your experience.

5 months now. How is it?

@@8literbeater I forgot to update, sorry. I absolutely love the Surefly! My Arrow was very difficult to start when warm or hot and was frustrating having to use all of those crazy techniques to get the engine running. Those days are a thing of the past. I can now easily start the engine and have significantly more confidence that I won't get stuck out because I killed the battery. This was the primary reason why I installed the electronic ignition - more reliable engine starts under all conditions. The other benefits of better fuel economy, smoother running engine, more reliable, and whatever other folks are talking about - are not that impressive or significant to me. What are your thoughts about the Surefly?

@@JS-lg7vm I have 3 Cessna 150s. They're notoriously easy to start in my experience. I've really never had problems starting any plane I've flown, from Arrows and Cardinals to Barons and Chancellors. I suppose I've been lucky. I'm interested in the efficiency and reliability. I've only had one mag failure, but they're supposed to have inspections every 500 hours. My planes fly a minimum of 100 hours a month, sometimes well over 200 hours. (edit: each plane flies that much) I suppose I could keep spare mags on standby to change out all the time, but I think the efficiency of a Surefly would really help out, especially if I can avoid changing a mag every month. Presently I just ignore the 500 hour recommendation. I'm also looking at the Electroair, but I don't know if it's worth the extra price.

@@8literbeaterLike you, every plane I have ever been in has been quite easy to start - in fact, I never really thought about it before. Just get in and start it up - the planes tell you what it needs. However, this Arrow - not so much. Quick story, I got a little frustrated that I was having these starting issues. I looked all over the the internet and that was mostly no help finding a "real" solution. I even came across a very experienced instructor pilot (who apparently is neck-and-neck with God for being all knowing, etc), so I asked him to give me a lesson on what he would do and how he would handle it. Well, no surprise, he drained my battery and never got it started. After a lot of research and understanding of my specific issue - I found that I needed a very "hot" spark to overcome my issues. If you are interested, I can go into what is happening - such as fuel injection vapor lock caused by the routing of the fuel lines over the engine, etc, but that is what you are not interested in. So, my engine was coming up on the 500 hour - and I was going to send out my mags. There was a recall several years back on some of the replaceable mag parts that could have been contributing to my problem. So, I was faced with roughly $500 bill to overhaul my mags and for about $1000 additional, I could completely replace my mag with the Surefly. I thought, what do I have to lose? Well, as I mentioned earlier - it completely solved my starting issues. The mag is incredibly reliable - just like your car. In fact, once you install it - you don't touch it again until you overhaul your engine - ultimately saving significant money if you have a 2000 hour TBO as compared to the mag overhaul process. Some aircraft have a TSO vacuum advance feature, which I installed. The result, is better fuel economy above 4-5K feet and a noticeably smoother running engine. It's not a ton - I am able to lean very precisely and have chosen to lean rich-of-peak which is not as fuel efficient as lean-of-peak and have noticed about 1.3 GPH fuel savings. In the end, not very much, but it is saving fuel nonetheless. If you have a complete electrical failure, once the battery dies, then you will only be operating on your #2 - right old mag. Not a big deal, you would have plenty of time to work through this situation. One other thing...In some Bendix switches - the key to start the airplane, if you flip the key really fast, you could cause a backfire if doing a runup mag check at 2000 RPM. This is a result of the Surefly electronically shutting off and then back on. We are talking about micro-seconds but if you turn the key slow it doesn't do it. Another way to prevent is to do the mag check at 1500 RPM and the rest at 2000 RPM. Surefly is working this issue...Future models will get programmed to fix this. Finally, Lycoming is putting the Surefly on new engines now - they are just that good with really no draw back. All this to say, this is an absolute no brainer - get a Surefly! You will be glad you did. Let me know what you decide to do.

The LAA attitude changed nearly ten years back when people demonstrated the safety and reliability of the systems.

buy one for the wife too!

Yeah, I noticed that in the playback as well...

Thanks! hahaha

You don’t replace it after 2500 hrs, you send it in for an inspection after 2400 hrs and it gets sent back to you to be reinstalled

Left side, strong side! on both the 180 and the 6. Only because that's the ones that had to be replaced. On the 180, that year (1967) had a strange 2 solenoid setup on the battery and so I had to attach it on the solenoid side of the master switch power.

@@therealjimmysworld did you go with the sim4p or sim4N

4p on the 180. left/coupled side

That is a crazy story! and yes! Murica!

Good question, first I've heard of it. Maybe someone on here can update us?

can't speak to that setup, but, I've put several hundred hours on mine with 0 issues and no adjustments since install.

Like the other guy said I have seen an Electroair system that has given zero problems over the two years since installation, are you sure that the very specific instructions for the ignition cables was followed ?

I do know they are working on it.... FAA takes a long time to get anything done... basically (you didn't hear this from me) it will have a small battery for backup power. Similar to all the efd's.

@@therealjimmysworld Mums the word. I know nasink. Jimmy who?

my way of justifying it is, "As soon as I have to spend $0.01 on a mag, I'm putting this on there." So, run the mag while it lasts and WHEN it fails or needs a 500hr, use it for a tire chalk and put a surefly on it ;)

@@therealjimmysworld perfect for a Tire Chock. Very Heavy Scrap Metal.

@@therealjimmysworld Love the channel! Good advice.

Thanks! I'm glad one of us is learning something ;) hahaha

Hello, the box comes with a generous length of power wire for the battery connection and the electrical connectors/terminals. the only thing I had to buy was the brass fitting for the vacuum advance. And yes, it replaced a slick mag on my 180 and a bendix on my 6. I did have to buy a slick harness for the bendix replacement (ebay $60usd)

doh! yeah... that's a bummer.

And good luck finding parts in the future. Mag shops are increasingly NOT working on the dual mags ....too much of a head ache for them.

nothing a big stack of money can't fix...

@@ronstowell8646 Make it an experimental and put an Edge performance engine on it and get 300hp and all electric and better fuel burn.

Thanks for your comment, glad you enjoyed the video!

You nailed it.

buh dum bum chee

1 million % agree!!!

no.... he even said if I bought another plane I wouldn't get a discount on that one either. I'm still going to buy one though... lol

@@therealjimmysworld wtf lol they got almost 6000 impressions so far! I just found your channel man. Im 32 and kinda struggling with addiction issues but 10 years ago I had my recreational license and med cert. Engrossing myself in aviation videos like these really help me to keep my head pointed in the correct direction so thanks for the unexpected role you are playing in my recovery. 😀💪

hahahaha, did you see his face?! He's like, oh man, I may regret this interview...

Yeah, I did notice that in the video... I was just so excited!

Well bless your heart

@@frankmeyers7304 Its not a joke. My designs are in many planes today and in space. In fact this web message is made possible by my designs that are part of the north American communications system. I'm not giving away my designs anymore for free, to companies i work for, to watch them get rich. I do have a way to prevent e mags from firing at the wrong time due to any failure that may cause it.

I'm glad you like the product! Take it easy poncho, I was nervous and this was my first interview... simma down now. mister rude text speaker. This might be a dumb question.... if you hated the video and me so much, why did you subscribe? you do know that I don't get any less annoying... just ask my wife... hahahaha