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Somehow basically meaning "We literally don't have the guts or brains to do or even try anything different. So here's some shit we know you like... Don't spend any time thinking about how stupid it is or how little narrative sense it makes."
@@stevegallo8483 the pitch meetings channel describes it perfectly. The Screenwriter is so delightfully dumb and has not a single original idea. And he almost seems proud of how bankrupt and dumb the movies he pitches are.
Yeah, you miss fired on the Barbosa bit. He's exactly the foil that Jack needed - see how rough the 2nd movie is, without him - and they actually made his resurrection a key point of the 3rd movie so it wasn't a hand-wave return.
i can get on board with Letty suffering from amnesia. i can even get on board with Owen Shaw ending up in a coma (but not how quickly he recovered). but Han's retcon made absolutely no sense and just felt contrived and convoluted.
I always thought the Harry’s return was a tongue-in-cheek statement about the fan’s demands in franchises as a whole. Like, the producers said “we kill off the favorite character in the first movie, and then in the second movie, we bring him back…but we kill off everyone else”. I actually thought it was funny as hell in a dark comedy sort of way.
Barbossa wasn't just 'resurrected by a voodoo practicioner'. She's Calypso who is literally stated to be a legit goddess. It's a hell of a lot more believable in the POTC universe than many of the others on this list.
Barbosa wasn't retconed at the end of the movie. When Jack goes to see Mama Dalma (who's NOT a voodoo witch, but a godess) for the first time, you can see that Jack (the monkey) after being released from the cage goes to the backroom and if you pay atention, there is someone laying on a bed (you can see his boots). She had a plan all along, and needed Barbosa for it, regardless of what happened to our beloved Captain Jack Sparrow. :)
The biggest issue with the retcon of Palatine's death is that now he is never dead. Even if he died at the end of Rise of Skywalker, he probably has more clones out in the galaxy and yet again could return. Even if Disney would "confirm" he is dead, it's still not confirmed because of the implications.
Agent Lindsey Perez had a retconned death in the Saw movies. In Saw IV, she sustained shrapnel wounds and was revealed to have died in Saw V. However, Agent Perez was alive (her "death" was meant to be a protective cover) in Saw VI, only to die toward the end of the movie when Agent Hoffman's Jigsaw identity was exposed and he stabbed her.
On "Harry Hart" coming back: I made up my own 'Head Canon' for that. When asked where did they get something like that from, Halle's character says: "We got it from a couple of visitors to New Mexico in '47, but we only have a limited amount" Thus explaining away why they have something that is super High Tech even for them, and saying that they use it very sparingly because they don't have a lot (not even using it to save certain world leaders who suffered similar injuries....as far as we know 😅)
It's weird that you somehow have footage of both The Quickening and The Rise of Skywalker when it is a well known fact that neither movie actually exists and are just mass hallucinations. 😉
And now Dave FIloni has used all the series he has a part in to explain the "somehow" lol. Between The Mandalorian and The Bad Batch, it's slowly becoming more apparent.
Yeah, but at least there they had the openly 'cloned' excuse. Even adding her to the suburbs Sim environment as a Prius driving anti-gun Hipster vegan! (Talk about off-stereotype!)
8:06 Wait, wait, wait! People hated Barbossa's return in Dead Man's Chest? I've heard a lot of people were surprised when they saw him return at the end of Dead Man's Chest. Hell, even the actors who who were involved in the production of Dead Man's Chest didn't know that Barbossa was gonna be resurrected until that very end. And besides, there was hints of something happening in Tia Dalma's hut when you briefly see what appeared to be pirate boots on an unseen corpse on a bed, of which, Jack the Monkey ran towards. Which indicated that Jack knew who the corpse. And who did Jack the Monkey interacted with the most in Curse of the Black Pearl? Barbossa. And considering that it is established that Tia was a practitioner of the dark arts, it's not that far off to see Barbosa was going to be resurrected in a future Pirates of the Caribbean movie. Plus, it's not really a retcon of a character's death if the person was actually dead, but was later revived in a future film through the logical means that the movie had established.
I don't know anyone who disliked Barbossa's resurrection. It wasn't a retcon either, so this one is dead wrong. I will go so far as to say this is an example of a resurrection done properly.
I just wanna say that I would've loved to see a third Spider-Man where he teams up with his thought to be dead dad to solve the cold case of his mother's death.
I would have loved to see a third Spider-Man with Andrew Garfield. He really got short-changed. Thankfully, his inclusion in No Way Home did help give him a redemption arc.
I don't know any PotC fans who disliked Barbossa being brought back. Aside from Jack, Barbossa is arguably the best character and he has some great scenes in At World's End.
@@josiahstoehr1297 100%. Robot Chicken has more credible writing than Disney. After all, Seth Green is a true Star Wars fan, whereas Kathleen Kennedy hates Star Wars.
I know I’m in the minority here, but I really liked that fifth Pirates film. Barbosa was my favorite character, so the focus on him was welcome. Plus it was a fun movie.
It bothers me even more when the dead are brought back in the SAME movie! Just one (three) example is when Kylo Ren died FOUR times in the Rise of Skywalker. He died in a Tie fighter crash, he died taking a light saber to the chest, he died falling down a bottomless pit, and once more died by force saving Rey. There are countless examples of a scene ending with the hero presumably dead (get out your hankey) only to have them at top form in the next scene!
We can all agree the Star Wars prequels could have had some rewrites before it released, but they flopped with Palps... I think he follows up with something about sith alchemy, but an average joe barely knows what a sith is. Even if we'd seen him already, they could have written the scene in a way where they doubt his return, and the movie could have pieced it together, could have just made it some imposter, whatever... that certainly wasn't the only issue with the film...
Concerning Palpatine, SW fans are used to the idea of Palpatine returning. It happened in the EU. It's just the way it was written, especially the infamous line, that's the problem here with his return.
Considering that Barbarossa was, at the end of the fifth Pirates movie, canonically pushing 80 years old, uh, I’m not complaining that he died again. For a pirate lord like Hector Barbarossa, dying in bed from tuberculosis or something might be worse than just dying at sea.
Barbossa's return is simple and can be explained by two different ways: 1. he got an aztec coin just before dying, thus becoming undead a second time. Or 2. Calypso ressurected him because she is a goddess. Jack Sparrow's return from death is a 1000 times worse.
For Captain Spalding, since he was killed at the beginning of the third movie offscreen via state execution, they should have just said that he didn't survive.
I must admit...I NEVER understand why WhatCulture, and all the other similar content makers, make titles with such ABSOLUTE statements: "EVERYONE hated", "NO-ONE liked", "EVERYONE praises"...well no, they don't. Positive OR negative, you'll be hard-pressed to find anything that EVERYONE agrees with, so why make such a stupid claim?
Giving Barbossa's corpse a cursed coin would not have revived him. Elizabeth owned a cursed coin for ten years and wasn't cursed. The curse would only affect those who stole the coins directly from the chest. And no, the end credit scene didn't show the monkey giving Barbossa a coin. It showed the monkey taking a coin and becoming cursed again.
You got your top two mixed up, your number one is an easily glossed-over minor retcon in a trilogy that lasted five years, people barely remember that retcon. Your number two overhauled the entire story of a nine-movie forty-two year franchise (being generous including the sequels), completely missing it's own point about hope and redemption and further destroying what was once the most popular film franchise in the world.
Kingsman 2: I wish they had just said he was saved because...some people actually survive being shot in the head! Being shot in the eye could help; the ocular bone could help direct the bullet into a less severe injury. "They called an ambulance," is a way simpler explanation than some nano mask thing.
Yeah, the Barbossa one is just incorrect. Tia Dalma, while bound in human form, still has some access to her powers as the goddess, Calypso; Barbossa still died, but she brought him back to life - initially it is a bit of a mystery, but the Calypso reveal explains it. Also, I doubt a single POTC fan was upset at Barbossa’s return, since he has great chemistry with Jack Sparrow, which works better than the fairly flat Will Turner.
As crappy as Palpatine's return was, at least the SW shows are expanding on stuff like that with Mandalorian giving a lot of context and Ahsoka potentially adding even more.
First of all, I love me some Hollywood amnesia so don't go dissing it as a plot point. All of these are fantasy or scifi movies (yes, clearly the Kingmen series, and TFATF series are fantasy series) . I'm fine with some retconned deaths. I was fine with Letty coming back. I thought the way they originally retconned the entire series to make it before Han's death and the weight hanging over the character for the audience because of that was really cool, but I also understand that IRL losing a member of the family made losing one in the movies for real much harder for fans. I was happy they brought Harry back, but not the way they did it and not at the expense of killing off everybody else. They could just as easily have had him survive that head wound because his spy glasses deflected the bullet just enough and the American branch had an amazing surgeon.
From what I've heard, audiences watching #7 in the cinema stood up and applauded the final moments. So that retcon stings even more. Because the apparent death was met with great reception.
Harry coming back didn't really bother me. First of all, people survive being shot in the head. It's obviously not very common, but it _does_ happen. Furthermore, there are a handful of cases where the person suffered little to no long-term brain damage and essentially made a fully recovery. So, the nano machine explanation wasn't even entirely necessary. As for realism...I mean...bulletproof umbrellas guys...
Are these really retcons? I consider retcons to be stuff where the director or writer contradicts stuff that happened in prior content. This is just extra reveals, no ("Surprise, he IS alive"). It's not like they said, "no he didn't fall down the reactor". We didn't actually see Palpatine dead (like his body shown to us).
I think you're going too deep with Spiderman 3 because it was still Pete's fault Uncle Ben died, Marko was ready to stand down but the guy caused him to shoot him, so it's still his fault in the end
Everyone was pumped when they brought Han back, we basically insisted that they do it. I don't think anyone cares when stuff in F&F doesn't make sense.
One of the most annoying things about the extended Star Wars universe is the fact they're using a lot of it to justify the return of Palpatine. Nothing's gonna stop it being bad, just move on
Elena's death was poorly done anyway. They just brought her back and gave Dom a son specifically to kill her off. They essentially put the major 'Is Dom evil now' plot point on the one person that wasn't a part of the group but had ties to Dom. Letty's death was an easy retcon. Han's though... that was pure retconium. They could even bring back Giselle because she just kinda fell backwards into darkness and was never seen again. But Han? Even the explanation for how he survived doesn't make sense.
Universal soldier 2. Essentially in the first movie jean claude van dam was a soldier that died and with technology was revived to continue being a soldier. In the sequal from the very beginning he was alive and how they justified it they simply said that they had reversed the process. So they reversed the process of being dead ?
Calistro was a sealed/restrained godess, someone on that level bringing a dead person back to life sounds far more reasonable to me then a voodoo priestess...
Did anyone actually expect Morbius to be good though? The guy is a C-list hero/villain at best and only got a movie because Sony is trying hard to make a Spider-Man Villain Cinematic Universe without Spider-man being involved. It's just an extension of the Sinister Six series of films that they had planned to follow TASM2.
@@shinzero0271 I knew it was gonna be bad from the get-go It had Arad and the writers from Gods of Egypt People were optimistic because they didn't know any of these facts It was just like watching After Earth without knowing that it was made by M. Night Shyamalan, because his name wasn't shown in the trailers or the posters
Here's one that happened within the same movie: Professor X in X-Men: The Last Stand. Jean Grey/Dark Phoenix kills him but in the end it turns out he's alive in a different body... so sequel-bait in a movie that's supposed to be the finale. And it managed to belittle the death of Cyclops even more,. "Don't worry, folks! Professor X is just fine! Cyclops is still dead but who gives a sh*t, am I right? Not like any of the other characters did."
Maybe I'm missing something, but how is bringing a character backto life through magic (highlander) a retcon? That's lazy writing, but isn't this a plot point of the sequel, and thus not a retcon?
I don't care about how Palpatine survived. That's the least of the sequels problems. I care about how he kept huge swathes of soldiers underground in huge corelian ships and they all stayed quiet till someone showed up. What the hell was that? What were these people eating? Where did they come from? Are they clones? Are they born there? Are there hospitals in that planet? How many times did they test those ships coming from the underground? Did they know it was going to work? What did they do all day? Nothing makes any sense in that film.
They brought Harry back but killed Merlin; they literally had a good tier hacking tool, just hack the mines. (This could be done as Poppy deactivated the mines earlier in the film)
Star Wars the rise of skywalker is a awful fan service that nobody wants,put big middle finger strain on the stars wars franchise/lore, love to forget about all together too.
It wasn't even fanservice. It was what happens when a studio is so dead set on the trilogy format that the the film had to be two different films smashed together and put on fast forward. Add in the problems they had with directors and the script, TFA killing off Han, TLJ killing off Luke (both in terms of characterization and actual life), Carrie Fisher dying (RIP) , and the replacement director's inability to do anything but nostalgia baiting and you wind up with RoS.
@@shinzero0271Han's death was Harrison Ford's fault, as he insisted Han be killed off of he was going to do the movie. Luke becomes a Force Ghost in the third one, and appears more after being dead in TROS, than he did, alive, in TFA. Princess Leia's death was a result of Carrie Fisher's death, brought on by playing Russian Roulette for years with her life by filling it with drugs and alcohol. So two of the deaths were out of Disney's hands, and they had no choice, and the other was a character who could be a ghost after death anyway. Also, the fans wanted someone other than Lucas to make "Star Wars" films, and cheered when Lucas sold to Disney, since after the PREQUELS, George Lucas was apparently a "hack who was never any good, and the original films were thanks to advice from others, like Kathleen Kennedy, who you now all bag. You all wanted Luke, Leia and Han, not Rey, Finn and Poe. You wanted the original characters. You all jizzed your pants when Han Solo said "Chewie, we're home" in the trailer. You got what you asked for, what you wanted, and still weren't happy. It is the fault of the impossible to please crybaby Star Wars fans who are at fault. It's Your faults. With fans like SW, who needs critics. About time you all grew up and got a life.
I don't like the Amazing Spider Man's retcon, but I do like the Amazing Spider Man and I think it should definitely have sequels. Big missed opportunity. Andrew Garfield is the best Spider Man, full stop.
Worst one for me was Palpatine. So who is the big bad of the new trilogy? Someone new and interesting? Someone from the extended lore? No, it's Palpy, again. The original star wars trilogy is iconic, the prequel trilogy is flawed yet still has some great characters, moments and has a special place for a certain generation, but who was the new trilogy made for? New trilogy has ruined the movie franchise with entirely predictable plotlines, no risks taken and mostly unlikable characters. I still love the franchise and lore as a whole, but the movies kinda suck now.
Speak for yourself first you say, Tokyo drift is excellent huge hell no and then you say people hate it Han and Letty‘s return. Yeah, again speak for yourself.
Anyone that kills off Michelle Rodriguez's character, deserves to have their franchise fail. She is the only reason for watching those ridiculous Fast & Furious movies.
