FACTS scott first and only run in the wwe was just downright sad and terrible because it showed that all those steroids he was taking and all of those muscles were catching up to him.
@@justinqualls4964 bah booker t had to go threw like 8 years humiliation before being allowed to win the gold the others switched sides before the end of the Monday night wars so we're given a pass
@@harrylewis4430 Yeah that's pretty much what Vince did. He protected those that switched over, but those that were acquired when WWE bought WCW were here just to job to WWE superstars.
@@redrick8900 Not really. How many ECW/WCW stars thrived under Vince compared to how they did under their previous bosses? Nearly all of their careers were in tatters in a very short space of time.
@@Longlostpuss More than thrived in ECW. Those guys weren't even getting paychecks half the time. Taz had it much better in the WWF. He had a career and was getting royalties, not week to week few hundred bucks to bleed in a gym. The WCW guys that didn't do well in WWE weren't good wrestlers. Even mid wrestlers did great. The Radicals did much better. Booker T did much better. DDP and Steiner flopped becuase they weren't good and didn't belong at that level to begin with.
@@redrick8900 I meant as in coming across as strongly as their previous promotion before Vince took over. Nearly every wrestler that came over was poorly written into the programme and looked nowhere near as good. WWE just nerfed the hell out of them. WCW and ECW were more hardcore, crossing over to the mainstream nearly always weakens talent and that's most industries you can think of. Too much red tape and politics.
The thing no one remembers (and I wouldn't have had I not re-watched 2001 again in recent years), is that he and Dean destroyed two jobbers (especially Saturn) in much the same manner a week earlier on the same show, Jakked/Metal, which are floating around the internet as they are not even considered high profile enough for WWE Network to upload...
Tazz had wrestled in both US and Japan and was well versed in the technical theory on the mat, as well as the state of the industry in both countries. Even in the original ECW, he was proud to show off the throwing and jointing techniques he had mastered. He was a wrestler who could handle both hardcore and comedy with ease. He was also an excellent storyteller and his commentary was a pleasure to listen to. I can only assume that the WWE could not provide a book that would take advantage of his character. It's a shame. I love Tazz.
The problem with Tazz was too short I didn't have a great physique compare to other a little man. That eventually got pushed which was chris beinto, Eddie Guerrero and Rey Mysterio. A pretty much had the Samoa joe game like without the size who's go in there and do some high risk level supplexes and a bunch of power. Moves that look ridiculous coming from a man his height. I thought he was cool ECW but he wasn't gonna work in the WWE. Now his son's a different story his son should be in WWE.
Even at No Way Out 2003, Scott Steiner was getting Booed despite being the babyface and Triple H was getting cheered despite being the Heel even showed that the fans didn’t care about him anymore
Scott Steiner was miscast as a babyface, and he went into WWE with a foot injury. Sad run for Scott Steiner. What WWE did with Tazz and DDP is disgraceful. They both deserved better.
Thing is, DDP got a bum deal, he truly did, but Taz just didn't live up to expectation, Vince thought he could look past his size, but he turned out to just be another suplexing wrestler.. Well, Vince had Kurt angle there & knew he had Lesnar coming up from OVW in the near future, so Taz just wasn't good enough really. He had his chance
Even paul Heyman brought it up To Vince in the ring. Paul Heyman:you turned our monster Tazz into an off color commentator! Tazz gets up from desk goes in ring Chokes the life out of Heyman in Front of Vince.
I found him annoying in wcw at his peak, but no denying he was as over with the fans as anyone. Listening to all the shoot interviews these days it seems like he's a great guy as well, a missed opportunity for WWF.
I canf believe whzt i am reading. DDP was self made and earned every dollar he made and every title he won. Nobody rises to the top like he did, anymore. He earned that spot by being the peoples champ and blowing people away with variations of his finisher. Who else has done that?! Hmmmmm... Nobody I can think of. BANG!😵🤕😝
@@redrick8900 DDP was a good wrestler. He wasn't a Brett or Flair but he absolutely put together great matches throughout his career. He is one of the few wrestlers to actually get a good prolonged match out of Goldberg. You don't do that by being a bad wrestler. Also you want to know how over DDP was? He got the biggest pop of the night for that episode when revealed himself as Stalker. The fans were so happy to see him they temporarily forget he was supposed to be the heel simply because of who he was.
DDP was the case of a wrestler "too big" to start from scratch in WWE. He basically had no choice back in the day if he wanted to keep making money, but WWE was not going to touch his superstars to give space to people's champ, unless you already had the 'WWE type'(like Goldberg). Page eventually understood that and just rode along as much as he could stand it and moved on. This is the kind of bullet Sting dodged by not jumping ship in that era
Two corrections. First, Eddie Guerrero wasn't immediately any better off than Saturn or Malenko. He just rose above it. Benoit is the only Radical who always had support. Second, Tazz came into WWE damaged goods. The company realized that, but kept working trying to avoid neck surgery. Given his limitations, they kept him in the mix but he did very little and avoided bumps. He didn't want the neck surgery and so ultimately retired.
Scott Steiner was suffering from a severe case of drop foot when he signed with the WWE. They should have never allowed him in the ring until after he had surgery to fix it.
Tazz was my favorite ECW wrestler. As a WWE fan back in the day, I was excited when I learned that he was coming to the Company. But even then, in the back of my mind, I knew they were going to screw his character over somehow. It's just what Vince did back in the day. You weren't home grown, you were almost most certainly screwed in many cases.
@@FAMCHAMP Sting deserves so much respect for seeing through Vince's BS. He's one of those guys who's loved as much as the good guy he is in real life, just as much as he is loved as the good guy he portrayed in the ring. If not, evenmore. Much respect always to Sting.
@@burnsZY85 That was Disco Inferno's claim, but it could have been either Undertaker or HHH (or both) that were upset with DDP. Disco's story is that DDP wrote out plans for his match with Undertaker, then showed those plans to HHH. HHH told him not to show the plans to Undertaker, but DDP ignored HHH's advice and did it anyway, only for Undertaker to ball up the paper and throw it in the garbage.
It was beyond stupid and I hate they ruined him. DDP was already married to Kimberly who was smokin hot at the time and 100 times finer than Takers wife. DDP was the people’s champ in WCW and they just completely ruined him when he came to WWE.
Chris Masters was really a big loss. He SCREAMED champion, had the literal perfect physique for Vince to cream his pants for and they gave him a big protected submission move, which could hide any big issues in the ring.
For some context with Taz, he had many injuries during his time in ECW (Especially with the botched Pile-driver he suffered during that time), and he later decided to become a Color-commenter after retiring his In-ring work. His backstage attitude didn't help either, once the invasion storyline started, he then became Steve Austin's punching bag.
An old school one that I'm kind of surprised didn't make the list: King Kong Bundy. In 1986, he's facing the Hulkster in the main event of WrestleMania 2. one year later, he's at WrestleMania III working a comedy match in the midcard with hilbilly Jim and midget wrestlers. He was the premier monster heel facing the champion for the title and a year later he's in joke match on the biggest show of the year.
Facts, apparently Bundy had heat with Mr. McMahon at the time and two used to get into arguments on a daily basis, while it's unknown what the problem was, Bundy was never gonna be a top-tier wrestler during that point.
@@kazallroberts I'm guessing that it had to do with that computer endorsement he had and I'm guessing that Vince didn't get a cut of it, and that is what I'm guessing (among other things) led to their falling out.
@@heisensaul5538 From what I've heard, Bundy reportedly wanted Vince to pay him more money but Vince refused and another rumored I heard was that King Kong Bundy was campaigning to win the title at Wrestlemania 2 but Vince also refused as he though Bundy was too fat to be a high-tier star in the business and the last rumor I heard was that Bundy apparently gain a reputation of being very difficult to work with but Bundy claims it was the locker room that who were ones cause the problems and not him.
I remember when i was a kid, i always liked Masters. He was always my world champion in the SVR games. Plus, i thought he was a shoe-in to win the 06 rumble. In my head, i was thinking with his big muscles he can hold onto the ropes really tightly and nobody would be able to get him over.
Thought Kurrgan may have been on the list. They were building him like an unstoppable monster but turned into a comedic act in The Oddities (although I loved that stable)
I remember Perry Saturn being presented strongly for quite a while, European Champion, Terri as a manager, hardcore matches - even a random match on Heat against HHH in which he looked strong - (most likely I think because he had the same trainer as Helmsley). His downfall was pretty much his own fault due to injuring others and substance abuse issues. Dean Malenko's quality shone, however putting him with the cruiserweights was the wrong decision as fans watched those matches to see high flyers and cruiserweights had always been underutilised in WWF.
DDP had a career ending neck injury. He showed back up in the positive role model gimmick, staying out of the ring due to the injury. He did some brief spots with the diamond cutter in TNA, then was on AEW for like 4 weeks in non-physical roles, then did a couple high spots in a one off 8 man tag. WWE tried but failed with the stalker thing during the invasion, but his downfall was solely due to the unfortunate injury.
Saturn got the Mopie gimmick as a punishment for going crazy in the ring and violently attacking a jobber during a match. Yes, the jobber screwed up royally and nearly ended Saturn's career. But Saturn's response was way too over the top. WWE might have given him a real chance, but Saturn blew it.
He shouldn't have reacted AT ALL after he got hurt he should have went straight to Vince. Been the bigger person and none of his stupidity would have happened.
In my opinion taz’s size and that whole backstage controversy about him having a attitude about other wrestlers using suplex’s and saying how he was the only one who is supposed to do it derailed his wwe run luckily most people remember taz in the wwe when he debuted at the royal rumble 2000 against kurt angle or his run as a commentator.
Explain to me about the suplex thing. Did he not want others wrestlers doing his Tazzplex? Or suplexes that all? I heard that other wrestlers lied and said his suplexes were unsafe when that wasn't the case.....
Size had nothing to do with it, Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio, Bryan Danielson, C.M. Punk, The Miz, Chris Jericho are all smaller guys that have been Champions & destined to be hall of famers if they're not already. Rey Mysterio is shorter than Taz & smaller in stature & is definitely going to be a Hall of famer, no question. I believe Taz should be in the hall based off his career. There are lesser talents in the hall, guys that never won World Heavyweight Championships in any promotions. I believe Sabu as well should be inducted to the h.o.f. How many World Championships did Sting win in WWE & he's in the h.o.f. WWE politics is what kept most of these guys back. & really WWE watered down Taz. In ECW Taz was suplex city & who did he seriously injure with his variety of Tazplex's. WWE wasn't worried about Brock Lesnar dumping dudes on their heads. Taz wasn't even using suplexes after that debut match with Kurt Angle & if he was it was scaled back (watered down). But since Vince (McMahon) didn't create these ECW guys he never had plans to push these guys. He treated most of them like s#!+. Rob Van Dam, Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio & The Dudley Boys were so over when they came to WWE that it was undeniable that they would eventually get their push. All are or will be in the h.o.f. Benoit won't for obvious reasons but would have been had he not did what he did.
Some extra info for some of these. Steiner was injured during his WWE return, hense his god awful performances especially in those 2 Triple H matches where his injury was at a all time high. Perry Saturn got buried because he intentionally injured Mike Bell during a match on heat. Amore & Cass got buried because they had backstage heat with the locker room (Amore) & management (Cass). Alex Riley had heat with John Cena, so he got buried for it. DDP had heat with the Undertaker, so he got buried for it.
The silver lining of Tazz's run is that he helped Kurt Angle's in ring work. Angle added a lot of suplexes in his moveset after they worked together. And Angle passed that to Rock and Lesnar
What did taz give angle? Benoit let him use the multiple Germans and later brock borrowed them too but not very well. What did rock apart bar that terrible belly to belly that he whipped more than did a lift for?
The downfall of Tazz is almost like that of Samoa Joe. Both of them being badass wrestlers, and then ending up as commentars. Its even worse that WWE didn't make Joe world champion
Very sad about Christ Masters. After returning and re-debuting, he has improved a lot since his original debut. Shame they didnt know what to do with him, except for "haha funny pec man". Which got him over, but man, I just enjoyed seeing him wrestle.
@@ShaneDouglas713 Kofi wasn’t a draw and didn’t really have a good reign. The chase and Kofimania stuff was great but it was all going downhill from there
I think AOP when they went up to the main roster was really sad, as well as partially Somoa Joe. Somoa had a little bit of success, but they the awkward commentator status came and went, and then he disappeared back to the Indies
Samoa Joe kept getting hurt every time it was a push for him he'd get hurt and Vince gave up on him that's not Vinces fault that's what 20 years on the indies gets you and I remember people loving Joe's commentary
Lol you do know and drew has even talked about it his 1st run ending up how it did was his mistakes he literally became a alcoholic in his 1st run why you think.he looks like he does now he changed his whole life style to fix his career as well as Keith Lee he got sick and was out for awhile and got out of shape he was told to lose weight cause he was going to.get the push Gunther has gotten because Vince didn't like Gunther Keith refused and he didn't like his nickname Keith Lee
Rusev was still loved by fans after his loss to John Cena. Vince didn't like how he got over naturally and gave him a shot feud with Bobby Lashley before being fired. Same goes for Wade Barrett as he was able to stay relevant after SummerSlam
DDP was my favorite wrestler from 96-98. I don’t think I ever watched more wrestling in my life outside of those 2-3 years either. Him and Sting in WCW were my favorite moments in wrestling period. DDP just overlapped too much. Despite being one of my favorites he pops better as a baby face and they didn’t have room for him. And he never worked well as a heel. So when the WWE got him they couldn’t pay him peanuts and they had no room at the top. I don’t hate Vince for pushing him out. Just wished it would’ve lasted longer.
I liked Jinder as a champion and am sad they bunked him soon after. Enzo and Cass simply weren‘t that good, but Enzo could speak. This is what the duo was all about. The release of both had their reasons because of their actions outside the ring. Sanity is a great example in your list how Vince gave nothing about most that came from NXT. He hasn‘t understand the building and threated everyone as a new guy in WWE. The destruction of Taz, the Suplex Machine, was an other thing i didn‘t understand back then. One guy i miss on your list is EC3. He was presented as the next big thing (in his second coming) but then gets dropped like a hot potato without any reason named.
Enzo ans Big Cass were the most over tag team probably since the Dudleys made their wwf debut. They missed a huge opportunity to call their tag team The Certified G's they never even got a title match.
Lesnar refused to have a match with Jinder (Lesnar would probably jobbed to Jinder in this situation) and i guess WWE just lost confidence to jinder after that It doesnt help that Jinder has a weak finisher. He has the physique and can move I'm the ring but that finisher is just bad
You were kind to call the singles run Big Cass had in WWE as “mid-carder”. I think that’s where they wanted him, and maybe my memory fails me, but I don’t remember him ever really gaining traction with any of that. Kinda just flopped. WWE went to splitting them up way too early.
Dean Malenko was like.... Who the hell is this guy. I remember always thinking that when playing WCW World Tour. Steiner on the other hand was a household name, only for his trash talking though. Scott Hall could actually wrestle and had trash talk game, loved that dude.
The WWF/WCW/ECW mergers has to be the greatest travesty in modern wrestling history. So much potential and so many amazing wrestlers were lost under Vince’s mismanagement and poor promotion. I wish it never happened and they all were still their own entity.
Steiner’s last WWE run was the most disappointing for me. Instead of waiting for him to heal, they put an injured Steiner with an injured Triple H and blamed Steiner for the shitty matches.
WWE seemed to do the same thing with Kofi Kingston as they did with Jinder and just push him aside when he lost the World title. And Kofi has been around WWE a bit longer.
Man I remember Kozlov back in 2008 was looking like a beast going up against triple h and undertaker that was my childhood times those were the days I cherish and miss so much with idol John cena the goat winning championships 🎉 ❤😢
Going back into the 80s, the then-WWF attempted to piggyback on the popularity of the movie “Crocodile Dundee” with a character called Outback Jack. He dressed somewhat like Mick Dundee, and in a promo they showed Jack befuddled by an escalator at an airport, similar to Mick. However, the wrestler did not catch on, and he went faster into history than “Crocodile Dundee 3.”
For me Jinder as a champion wasn‘t that bad. Only the way to the title was at least odd. Shinsuke as a „greater“ champion would have been a good thing. But then there was a McMahon, who don‘t like foreigners that much in higher roles, except he can make money with the decision. Just like Jinder and the indian market. You can see a lot of examples in all the years. Especially asian wrestlers (male and female) weren‘t handled that good.
Not gonna lie When you brought up the end of Kofimania I got mad asf all over again. How tf they gonna have him lose in 8 seconds and he just forget about it. Even if he lost to lesnar in a rematch I would’ve been happy if he would’ve pushed Brock to his limit and go out on his shield
I have no.clue why you think it would make sense to book Kofi that strong its supposed to be booked realistically so him beating the crap.out of Kofi was actually great booking if everybody else is barely booked strong against brock why would Kofi lol
@@ccmcgaming327 dude he was the wwe champion that knocked of the same people that pushed Brock to his limit. It ain’t like I said he needed to win. It could have been a 5 minute match with kofi catching Brock off guard for a bit. I have no clue how you gonna respond with that BS. If you don’t like kofi just say that
Honorable mention: Heidenreich. Went from a psychopathic dangerous monster who even gave Undertaker a run for his money, to a joke, reading stupid poems and making friends with children.
If you look at the current roster you can add Hit Row, The Vikings Raiders, and Karrion Kross to the list. The latter winning 19/43 times since being resigned by WWE with 4 of those wins being this year.
Facts mate Karrion Kross has major potential if you look at his highlights from TNA he was incredible I thought he would succeed the undertaker as he is a great heel,Hit row is a btec street profits i enjoyed the action when swerve strickland was there as he was also a great star in the makes WWE should get him back and Alistar Black,Murphy and Adam Cole as the was splendid wrestlers
@@RomaroBrandon It could work but I think it would be better if they brought back swerve and make him team up with hayes and they feud against hit row i would pay for that match
@@user-up7lb2xq2y I say no only because I know Hit Row will be on the losing end since they are jobbers. It really would be worth watching unless it was in NXT.
You could also go with Baron Corbin, Bobby Roode, the Ascension, Mia Yim, Nikki Cross, Jason Jordan, Omos, the hurt business, lacey Evans and “Bearcat” Keith Lee. For a while, It seemed like mustafa Ali, ricochet, the Viking raiders, and shinske could have been here too, but it seems wwe may be trying to do something with them…
Tazz’s failure in WWF was a combination of his small size, past injuries starting to cause him issues, and WWF talent refusing to take his signature suplexes
Tazz's true calling is on the mic, i accidentally found his sports talk show one day, Tazz & The Moose, and loved it. Hes great on the stick no matter the setting
There should of been a tag team feud between all the radicals that was made way bigger I always felt. Dean and Saturn being mad they got left behind, chris and Eddie rubbing their faces in it. Would of been great
You have idea how much I miss SaNiTY. They everything on lock, and we’re amazing. That Post-Apocalyptic , Mad Max/Fallout aesthetic was so good, and got me into creating a music project similar with that same look at one point. They are still one of my favorites in this Modern Era of WWE even though they aren’t together anymore. I miss them so much, man they could have been huge.
He’s not good on the mic, and doesn’t have a character. All he does is flips and dives and that’s why he’s in the midcard. Yea h wrestled Brock but that wasn’t a sign of any main event push
@@dhenderson1810 u must not have been watching because he was red hot after and during his fued with the miz he could have atleast won a mid card title.
to be fair perry saturns moppy run was absolutely hilarious. his random "youre welcomes" and when he got hit with a chair and bounced back up yelling "yahtzee!!" became an inside joke with my mma group. we would quote those lines decades later before and after matches with lines like "the blue ones are for fiber......youre welcome"