Vince hated Superstars who got over organically because Vince loves to be in control of everything, he wanted Roman to be over, everyone hated it, Rusev, Sandow, Ryder, etc were over with the fans and Vince hated it because he didn’t control it. For Vince it’s all about Him and his Control.
That's a typical Vince move right there. I guess in his mind, organic growth isn't controllable in his mind so nope we gotta stamp that out real quickly. How that's done is taking them off TV, not pushing them when they could use it, and probably stopping any and all merch sales related to them somehow. Vince pisses me off so much I swear.
People say that, but then forget stone cold steve austin and the rock exist. I get that vince did very questionable decisions, but he generally had a good feeling
Vince its probably getting old to the point where he finally gets the mentality of being "you're all wrong, I'm right" and throwing out the logical decision for whatever he wants. Basically he's getting old man energy
@@ponglenis9273 except Vince was never a creative genius in begin with . Stone Cold & Rock easily managed to get over with fans on their own respectively . WWF even had serious competition against WCW thats why Vince didn't messed things up that he did after Attitude Era ended
*Daniel Bryan and Zack Ryder definitely come to mind when it comes to discussing wrestlers who got over organically. Although I would say that Daniel Bryan got over on accident but at least everything worked out for him. It’s just too bad I can’t say the same for Ryder. Even after 12 years later, it still stings how they did him so dirty.*
@@tamzidmohsinkhan3333 The thing in my mind is with Knights case, Triple H is the top guy now, so hopefully he’ll keep him getting over organically and not make his run feel forced, but at the same time, I don’t see how he can run with the ball in the long run, I’m sure he’ll do great even in the long run and still keep his strong connection with the crowd, but at the same time, if it’s the same thing for a long while, fans might get tired and start turning on his character, maybe not, maybe after a long great run as face, maybe down the road, he’ll turn heel, maybe even be over as heel, I’m gonna still like his character if he turns, but only if Knight can remain in control somewhat and H lets him be organic
RVD not getting pushed is probably the biggest waste on this list in terms of long-term potential. Say what you will about guys like Cesaro or Rusev, but guys like that would probably get one world title run ever and that would be the end of it. RVD could have been a consistent main-eventer for years to come. Easy multi-time world champion like Rey Mysterio. Sure, RVD didn't play to the backstage politics to get ahead, but he was certified money. Fans were buying his merch, lots fan signs and pops for him, it was clear as day.
RVD got a major push and was a double champ at one point but he declined help from Triple H for his promos(I don’t blame him cause he didn’t need promos) and he got arrested for possession and they made him do the job instantly to lose both titles.smoking weed is the last thing they need to worry about as far as drugs go in their company.
@@LosHitmanDrug addict? Excuse you, RVD is not comparable to Jeff Hardy in the slightest. RVD is simply a smoker of marijuana. Hardy has had issues with alcoholism and drug abuse (pills, etc.). RVD was simply a smoker and nothing more.
@@LosHitman Shawn Michaels was drug addict during his run in 90s yet he was allowed to become World Champ & hogging spotlight by using backstage politics . So RVD was clearly wasted
The difference between LAKnight and those other wrestlers is Vince no longer making any creative decision. Let's hope 3H can keep up his momentum with good bookings.
That's what they want you to believe, because the optics are better. But given how often Vince is showing up and making changes, or making them from home, to say HHH has creative control is laughable.
@@drbongorama most recent raw and smackdown episodes would contradict that. But i get how wwe fans have been blindsided for a long time it would be hard to believe hes no longer in control. Only time will tell.
@xlr8nflo this is true, but I think we can agree Vince will have something in the company sale that would allow him an in if he wanted it. Also other than some interesting stories HHH isn't really putting his stamp on what he's doing. Allowing a part time champ to clench records for time the belt was held. When, if you did the math, he does less work than a jobber you rarely see.
@@tamzidmohsinkhan3333Yeah! I’m very happy he’s been killing it in the indies. I’m not sure if he’ll actually return to WWE. And if he does, I don’t believe they’ll see him in the main event.
Zack Ryder is unfortunate biggest example that WWE wasted him despite huge over with fans even then the likes of Rock , John Cena & CM Punk at that time . Hope same thing should not happen to LA Knight
Even after over a decade, it’s still stings how they brutally buried him just because the fact that he got himself over by himself, but WWE makes it clear that they make the stars.
@@mycahjofficialand since Matt Cardona left wwe he has done awesome since leaving wwe and has won all the championship and also cesaro has done awesome in Ring of honor as longest reign roh world heavyweight champion 🏆 and ember moon has done awesome in ring of honor women's champion her matches with kiera hogan was 🔥🔥🔥
Vince has been effectively put on the shelf in terms of creative so hopefully the trend ends if someone manages to get over organically. they seem dead set on pushing la knight since he's listed as their top face on SD currently.
Now that Vince has been put on the shelf, I'd like to believe things can only get better.. I mean guys like Ricochet, Nakamura, Finn are starting to look alive again.. Hopefully more talent can get some TV time regardless of how little it is..
@@Eric_Cartman1Nakamura is already a legend in the industry, it's just nice to see him finally got a meaningful Feud with Seth, and not jobbing around in the midcard
Damien Shadow deserved better too. After he turned on The Miz, they should’ve pushed him to become a mid-card champion, but they instead had him team with Curtis Axel & started cosplaying as The Mega Powers for no good reason. Then he was taken out of TV for the rest of the year (thanks a lot Hogan) & he only ever made like 1 or 2 more appearances, before getting released. They really dropped the ball with him & it still gets on my nerves to this day.
I one hundred percent agree with the list here. WWE has screw up so many talented wrestlers that had gone over with the fans on their own. At the moment I’m a little worried that LA Knight will slowly get screwed over by WWE and also screwing up his popularity with the WWE fans.
@@GREAT-DYNASTYwhat’s wrong with Harper? I agree not a wwe champion material but definitely should have had a wwe title match at one point. Real wrestling fans understand when smaller talent deserves a push.
@@TheRealOmen1 luke harper did win the Intercontinental Championship when he wrestled tDolph Ziggler. back in 2014 and there was no way he will become a aew champion in the near future when he passed away in 2020
@@GREAT-DYNASTY yea I know he passed away and I was talking about the past. The intercontinental title was the farthest title he should have gotten I agree. I was just saying he should have gotten a wwe title match just to put on a good match and then lose the at match.
I think that with Wrestlemania XXX approaching, they had no choice but to add Daniel Bryan to the main event (he had to beat HHH first of course). Otherwise, if the main event had stayed Orton vs Batista, fans would have either booed both men out of the building or leave the arena.
@@DracoSafarius That's what I'm saying. I think that no matter what Randy and Dave would have done, the fans would still chant Daniel Bryan's name and jeered both men.
I would say Batista getting booed was Vince's wake up call but that wouldn't be accurate. Vince held a meeting the next day and people had to explain to him why fans love Daniel Bryan. Even after all of that Vince's reply was "but look at Batista."😂
The JD having the briefcase has turned out to be much more interesting and now LA Knight is in a program with Roman. If he can stay over after that then he'll get a midcard title. Maybe the US title. Even the IC once Gunther takes the WHC off Seth. LA Knight doesn't need gold or the briefcase to be over and now he's getting the rocket.
@@alexmiller4534 thats not the case . LA Knight need mid card belt but not World title doesn't made any sense . I disagree with your last statement that LA Knight doesn't need gold to be over . It is like saying Hulk Hogan or Stone Cold are way better off without World title
@@alexmiller4534 so LA Knight is easily a World Champion material . It will remind of AJ Styles becoming World Champion despite being 40 years of age . So same thing can happening with LA Knight
@@YaBoiTorts Gunther could easily beat Seth which is what I was talking about. Agreed there's no way he'll take the title off Roman but he doesn't need to to get even more over.
I like the way Bryan Danielson would talk down to bigger guys like The Big Show like that time he accidentally pushed AJ Lee to the ground. Big Show is crying and Danielson is shouting at him and blaming him for being reckless. Bryan also wouldn’t let someone like Kane intimidate him.
"Vince McMahon is a millionaire who should be a billionaire, you know why he's not a billionaire? Because he surrounds himself with glad handing, non sensical, **** yes men like John Laurinaitis who's gonna tell him everything he wants to hear."
ZACK Ryder and RVD were the biggest guys who got organic pops but WWE just refused to push them all the way, man I loved Zack Ryder's promo skills, man was electric
There's a lot of wrestlers Vince McMahon failed to pull the trigger on making them main event players after getting over with the fans organically. Ryder, Rusev, RVD, Christian, Ziggler, Bryan, Lynch before SummerSlam 2018, Sandow, Wyatt(RIP), etc. If Vince McMahon was still in control then LA Knight wouldn't been considered in the main event. Still, I blame Vince for ruining these wrestlers but opted to make Reigns Cena 2.0 before becoming The Tribal Chief.
I came back to watch wrestling after 6 years and LA Knight is the main reason i'm sticking with WWE now. If they screw him over i'll probably stop watching again.
Its no coincidence that LA Knight started getting a push after the sell of WWE from Vince. Under Vince he didn’t want to push LA Knight. He hated his organic pop
I agree with Vince speaking about Cesaro, just look how the fans got bored entirely from those people they pushed due to popularity but ended up getting booed by the fans because they get stale and boring.
Every member of The Hurt Business, individually and as a group. Cedric got so many chants in NXT they hired him, Bobby Lashley gets chants as a Heel, and the way Shelton was treated is criminal. At this stage of his career MVP is at the top of his game as a manager. I would put him on the level of Paul Heyman at this point as a mouthpiece.
Chad. Effing. Gable. He went toe to toe with Gunther (who is a super boring champ IMO) and was super over with the crowd, so what did they do? Buried him in tag team, undercard jobber territory, and have barely featured him on TV ever since. Yeah, he’s a modern day Kurt Angle, but he’s a fantastic performer and the crowd loves him. Makes zero sense that they torpedoed his organic push.
The RVD thing does make me wonder: DID he need help with promos or was it another person looking to make his success looking like his idea? I remember him saying j.r. and Paul constantly tried to take credit for things done for him over the other.
Isn't it a bit early to be including LA Knight in this list? He's at the height of his popularity right now and about to headline the Crown Jewel PLE with Roman Reigns. While he's not expected to won the title, it should set him up for a good run heading into Wrestlemania season. EDIT: Then I realised that the video was put together before WWE released Dolph Ziggler because there was no mention of that or his run in NXT.
He’s obviously facing Roman at Crown Jewel, and they’re not taking that belt off Roman anywhere but Wrestlmania. Hopefully it doesn’t kill LA Knights push.
Yep, agree. Fans should never stop show support to their wrestlers cause with the right amount of pressure and right circumstances, they can get the proper push in the right direction
Interesting that WWE/Vince wanted these wrestlers to get over, they do, but then don't fit Vince's plan. A damn shame. Glad they were able to go elsewhere and succeed.
Could you only come up with nine names? There's absolutely no reason for L. A. Knight to be on here, as he's been doing pretty well. High profile Wrestlemania match, mic time. The guy may have been wrestling for years and years but he's only been the character on the main roster for less than two years. Five years from now if he's never held a major title, you can put him on the list. It's too soon for it now.
If it weren't for fans' loyalty, Daniel Bryan would have been buried as jobber for his entire WWE stint. That's one battle Vince lost and everyone benefited because of that
Imagine Hunter did teach RVD promos. Look RVD, just ah, talk ah, for a really long time ah. Then marry the bosses daughter ah and thats how you do promos ah.
I have never gotten why WWE do this, like it's a terrible business strategy to try to piss off own fans as it can lead to people not consuming your product anymore. Look at Disney as an example of this. Imagine if they did this more in the 90s, like if they decided to keep Austin as a heel despite his positive reactions, or continuing to push Lex Luger instead of Bret Hart. They would be out of business right now if they did that.
Honestly it’s up to us fans to push for people we like until they do get over. push truly dies the moment we stop caring and moved on. Crazy how they would deliberately go out their way to stop people from moving up the card though.
The fact that WWE was supposed to be trying to grow new stars, but would then take new stars and bury them because they weren’t getting over by Vince’s vision is so petty and pathetic
That's hilarious and sad about triple h and rvd, because triple h was never a great promo. He'd just drone on and on and on, but he was office so he could use that to justify not pushing rvd more.
They need to bring back all the released wrestlers from this list. Once all of them are brought back, they need to form a heel stable with every member in this list, similar to Nexus. The main motto of this group is a complete takeover of the WWE which did them injustice during their previous run. I know this ain't gonna happen, but if I were Vince, I would make sure this happens and we would have a huge heel stable running roughshots over all babyface factions.
