100% PROOF That “Charasmatic Tongues” Is NOT Biblical… (Speaking in Tongues) 

On point 3, if this is an intelligible human language, such as me as an Englishman speaking Chinese although I've never learned the language, why would an interpreter be needed? The whole point of what happened in Acts 2 is that people from various parts of the world WOULD have needed an interpreter to understand what these Galilaeans were saying, but because of God giving them the ability to speak other languages, an interpreter was not needed.

The Bible calls tongues "the tongues of men and angels" I Corinthians 13:1. "For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries." I Corinthians 14:2 If tongues were readily understandable they would not need interpretation. Mark 16:17 says, "And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;"

@@jannaswanson271 so are you arguing for the gift of tongues as an unintelligible language?

@@shaunhunterit342 The Bible calls tongues the "tongues of men and angels", not the tongues of men only. I speak in tongues. I have prayed for interpretation but have not yet received that understanding. So tongues are always intelligent, they are languages and therefore were created by Yahuah. Yet they are also a mystery when we don't understand them.

​@@shaunhunterit342 The tongues would be for the person/persons that speak another language or other languages; but the interpreter would be for those who the Spirit was not addressing.

Crazy!!

upc? I know they teach it as evidence of having received the Holy ghost.

Any teaching that start go forgot about Jesus sacrifice in the cross definitely go error The other form of it is by saying someone must get saved by doing works for God When Salvation is gift, carry the cross is the work so later we get reward that being mention in Revelation, about the crowns Salvation being design so in order no one can boast that they get saved by such mean that doesnt need Jesus But many forgot about it and it is sad

The United Pentacostal Churches and One-ness Churches seem to believe this.

@Greg. Yep - Holiness/ Pentecostal church!!!!

You’re welcome. Hopefully this video helps many!! Matt 🙏

The apostle Paul taught against everybody speaking in tongues IN CHURCH, teaching that only two or three speak in tongues IN CHURCH so that those tongues could be interpreted and thereby have the whole church edified by the message, rather than just the tongue speaker being edified (built up in faith). Paul also wrote in his 1 letter to the Corinthians that 'not everyone speaks in tongues' 1 Cor 12:30. So every Pentecostal or Charismatic church who come together and speak in tongues are going against Paul's teaching on church function.

Glad it helped 😃

The enemy tries to bring confusion, The Lord leads us in Righteousness. Praise God 🙏

The reason no one understands him in 1 Cor 14:2 is because there is no interpretation. If someone in the room spoke that language (or had the gift of interpretation) they could interpret it. Paul is saying WITHOUT interpretation, no one understands it. That’s the context. Not that it’s not a language that anyone in the world speaks!! I would say that various kinds of tongues means just that; various types of (human) languages. Not all tongues are in one specific human language.

@lionoffireraw it doesn't make sense to me that tongues always has to be a known language in acts 2 it was tongues for a sign to unbelievers so it was a known language yet in corinthians paul talks about praying in tongues 14-14 , he speaks about speaking in tongues in the church so now to believers and clarifies this by saying someone needs the gift of interpretation to understand that type of tongue so that cannot be a known language otherwise you wouldn't need the gift of interpretation? Obviously in acts 2 the unbelievers didn't have the gift of interpretation they understood because it was a known language, so if the believers in the church hear a tongue and nobody understands it unless they have the gift of interpretation then that doesn't sound like a known language if it was a known language that would make the gift of interpretation worthless , and listening to people like David wilkersom , dereck prince , carter conlon , these people love and preach context and they helped me greatly understand what paul was writing to us but I respect you see it different brother just giving you my understanding like you are to me God bless 🙏

Thank you for your comments. There is just no hint of any secret language. This is something that came into existence around 1900, and has been inserted into peoples understanding of the text. It makes perfect sense for someone to speak in tongues in a human language, that no one in the service speaks, and then have someone with the gift of interpretation of that language. In no way is this negated by the gift of interpretation. My issue is that there simply is no occurrence in the Bible of anyone speaking tongues other than a known human language. As I demonstrated in the video, those passages which people used to suggest it is a prayer language, are easily explained away in the context of the passage. I believe that many people today are sincere in there seeking, and experiences, but the Bible simply does not communicate that anything other than human language even exists.

@@tckirk2827 "I don't think the bible is saying when you speak in tongues and are building yourself up it is a bad thing" exactly. This isn't the first time I'm hearing someone suggest that Paul is criticising or rebuking the church for doing this. I think we know when Paul is rebuking the church as he doesn't aim to be subtle.

i understand that there is a lot of abuse and if you speak in a service in tongues it should be with an interpretation for you should build up the church, to boast or to exalt yourself above others is a problem of the flesh. I am grateful to speak in tongues it has often builded me up, when I did not know what to pray, it builded me up and gives me strength but it is not an emotional high and certainly does not mean I am some sort of an elite. but it does certainly not mean I am influenced by a demonic spirit. I asked god for it , and he would not have given me a bad spirit.

No, he is talking about speaking in the church WITHOUT an interpreter where no one can understand (this is the entire context of the chapter). The contrast to this is speaking in a church/public ministry WITH an interpreter, or someone who understands the tongue. This isn’t implying private tongues at all!! You’re reading that into the text when it isn’t there.

Amen!!!

Exactly, sometimes i am tired, don’t know what to pray for, when i start with tongues the spirit helps me, and it is often confirmed laterwards in a biblical way through the word, guys i know how it feels to be hurt by the church but don’t throw the bay out with the bathwater. What we need is balance.

@@lionoffireraw he is contrasting his prayers in private (which he is saying is done in tongues) versus prophesying in the church which is public. The change was the setting as he said “Yet in the church” meaning publicly. If you don’t see it then it’s because you don’t want to.

"If I speak in the tongues of men AND of angels, but have not love, I have become like a banging gong..."

I agree with much of this, and I’m glad you’re out of there!! I will never be a cessationist (or Calvinist), but I will never get caught up in NAR nonsense either!!

Maybe consider that when you ask Jesus to save you, He is part of the Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) and cannot be divided or separated. If Jesus is in you, so is the Holy Spirit.

Don’t believe the lie. These are false manifestations. Stay strong in God alone!

I was raised in a free holiness church. Lots of the expressions like you mentioned. Shaking, hollering, clapping, falling in the floor, speaking in tongues (but not actual languages, just sounds with the mouth almost like “la la la”) etc. They taught that how you know you got the Holy Ghost is if you spoke in tongues (they would use the book of Acts).

I’m not surprised!!!

Praise God. Thank you for your encouragement. Matt

Tongues plural simply means different human languages. Not all speak the same tongue/language when exercising the gift. Someone might speak Spanish, someone else might speak Chinese.

@@lionoffireraw thanks for your opinion! I used to think the same. Keep moving forward for the Kingdom! Bless you bro!

God bless you. Matt 🙏

Very few? 😂 Why are you watching me then?! 😝

@@lionoffireraw Truthfully? You make me laugh sometimes.

Haha 😂 In what way?

God bless you. Thank you so much. I’m glad these videos are helpful. Matt 🙏

God bless you sister Sue, good to see you.

​You continue to bring a smile to my face. What a wonderful blessing it is to be part of this body, loving and supporting each other as we continue on our journey in Christ. God bless you too Susan. ​@@susananderson9124

@@susananderson9124 Lovely to see you Susan as we journey forward together in the body of Christ. Many blessings to you too.

Glad it was helpful!

Thanks for being open and honest. What are your thoughts now? How did this video impact you?

@@lionoffireraw Well first of all, this is the first time I’ve ever heard a professing continuationist reject the “prayer language” concept when referencing tongues. To be honest, I don’t know if I’m ready to believe your exegesis on that. But I will be praying. For years, there was a certain effortlessness when I would pray in tongues in the context of my prayer time. I was encouraged to do so by my disciplers. I experienced many supernatural occurrences and deliverances during these times that pointed directly to scripture, and remember feeling so unbelievably blessed. Times where I struggled with sin so bad, I would break out the tongues, and a praise and worship song or Bible verse would pop out, and it was tremendously encouraging and got my mind back on the Lord… and to think I could have been influenced by something like the Kundalini spirit seems quite shocking. For years, I had friends who were 5-point Calvinists insist I was only speaking babble, that tongues are not for today, and the tongues I spoke were not biblical. I wanted to believe them, but couldn’t, because these people were *SO* dogmatic. No truth in love whatsoever. The words that come out of my mouth when I pray in tongues are not babble, but are languages I’ve been able to identify over the years as I’ve become exposed to Hebrew and Greek translations of the Bible, and as I’ve come in contact with native speakers of those languages. But these are only experiential “evidences.” They are not proof. The Bible is proof of what is true and not true. Still, there is one experience involving the private use of tongues I would like to share with you that stood out to me. Okay, so we can all agree that the doctrines of “slain in the spirit” and being “drunk” in the Holy Spirit are false (I’ve denounced the charismatic church and most of its doctrine by the way). Well, one morning I was excited to spend time with the Lord, and of course, tongues eventually came into play, and gradually as things came to a lull, my body began to go dead weight. I thought I was being pressed into the bed I was kneeling against. Pretty soon, I lay silent, feeling TONS of peace, I go to stand upright, and I stumble around like a drunk person. I telephone one of my friends, slurring my words like a weirdo, and they were like, “Scott, it sound to me like you’re drunk in the Holy Spirit.” The only time I’d ever witnessed that sort of thing was in church meetings and I really didn’t think anything of it. It just was whatever it was. Then to have it happen to me during a time I’m genuinely trying to spend time seeking the presence of God-ALONE- was quite startling (I lived with a group of raging alcoholics at the time and was incredibly uncomfortable. Definitely seeking God and his comfort). Anyway, to look back on that and think I could have been under the influence of a demonic spirit makes me feel a little betrayed by God. Why would he send these charismatic Christians into my life to mentor me, only for me to become deceived? By the way, I was not fooled by their doctrine on female pastors. They were very dogmatic about that, and I smelled a rat, as I did with the word of faith stuff that they would sometimes spout off. My parents didn’t go to church, and these people were responsible for bringing me up in the ways of the Lord. I now renounce the charismatic church, and feel quite bitter for having been influenced by them. After they began ordaining women, they began sliding leftward, and now suddenly homosexuality (a sin I’ve repented of) is okay… or at least, they don’t like to dwell on that subject. *All* 3 of the people have become deceived, and one even died having gone back to his sin. I was orphaned so to speak, and these are people who the Lord used to develop my prayer life and my doctrine. Jesus used to be God in the charismatic church. Now humans are god. I know I already said it, but I have to say again that I feel very betrayed, and not sure what to believe now about the doctrine of tongues. It’s quite unsettling, really. Jesus is still my Savior and my God. The essential doctrines are settled as far as I’m concerned. Just really upset at being jerked around by Foursquare and Assemblies of God (I don’t mind calling them out, as they are apostate, and need to be marked and avoided). Sorry for the soliloquy. My real name is Scott. I live in the states.

@@lionoffireraw Sorry, by the way, about the “drunk in the Spirit” part. I’ve never felt more at peace and carefree than that day. It was a very scary time for me, as I was living with drunks, and I wanted to know the Lord was there. I couldn’t have cared less about some kind of kooky “experience.” I wasn’t interested in that. As the years wore on, I became sick of the wet noodle doctrines that the charismatic church was teaching, and finally found a great church that teaches expositorally. Anyway, I have thought in recent years that while slain in the Spirit and “drunk” in the Spirit are indeed false doctrines, they do seem to be experiences that parallel with a lot of scripture. I just wonder if, when the Lord wants to punctuate a Biblical principle in the life of a believer, perhaps these things do happen? I won’t die on that battlefield, by the way. Lol

Thank you so much for opening up. It sounds like you’ve been able to identify a number of these false doctrines, despite pressure to the contrary from people in those churches. I also reject those doctrines, and I also reject Calvinism too. It is completely unbiblical. It’s actually insane, and perverts the character of God. I don’t believe in such things as being drunk in the spirit. One of the fruits of the Holy Spirit is self-control, so it makes no sense that someone would be stumbling around and slurring words if they were under the influence of the Holy Spirit. I don’t think those experiences have any parallels with the experiences in the Bible, if you look closely. You certainly shouldn’t feel betrayed by God. All sorts of people come across our path, and it’s up to us to be able to discern truth from error. His Spirit has helped you to discern much error already. Sadly many people get stuck in this type of error their whole lives. As for tongues, I just don’t see it as a private prayer language, biblically. It seems to me like people have injected their own theology into the text. IMO, those passages are easily interpreted without anything to do with a private prayer language. I guess there are some things for you to consider and to pray about after watching this video.

@@lionoffireraw I only use my gift of tongues as a private prayer language. "For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries." I Corinthians 14:2. I have been to the Pentecostal churches and was so uneasy that I left the church for 20 years. Just because people act that way does not make the word wrong.

There’s simply no explicit example in the Bible of anyone praying “privately” in “tongues.” Nor is there any explicit example whatsoever of tongues being anything other than communicating in another human language. This is all a recent invention. I know that you are most likely sincere, and genuinely believe that your experience is real, but sadly it’s not biblical. There are other religions and philosophies that also talk in these “babble tongues,” and believe what they are doing is real because they “feel it.” Tongues is a real gift today, but it’s not something used in private (even the praying in 1 Cor 14 is IN THE CHURCH), nor is it this form of unbiblical “babble.” It’s understood as other human languages. I know it’s hard to let go of things, but this teaching at the very least, demonstrates that there is zero example biblically of tongues used in private prayer, or spoken in a way that isn’t understood by the hearer as another human language. So the entire theology is being READ INTO THE TEXT!!

Replace intellectual with biblical. What people call Holy Spirit led often simply means emotionalism. Charismatic tongues is a theology invented around 1900.

@@lionoffireraw dogma with no conviction, a few scriptures taken out of context, an intellectual interpretation of scripture and little love only amplifies how deceived many are, when they could be encouraging the body to press in and walk in the gifts, to be led by the Holy Spirit, they choose rather to justify their unbelief and walk in arrogance and try to convince others that their beliefs are superior. What the western body of Christ needs is serious persecution to come and purify the church until everyone rejoices when someone steps out in faith and walks in obedience to the Word instead of trying to find out what they are doing wrong so that they can criticize and amplify their errors instead of Jesus.

@@Metoyou465well said!

Amen 🙏 Well said!

I agree with most of that, although the Bible doesn’t make the distinctions apostolic gifts. 1 Corinthians 13 is clear that the gifts will pass away (including tongues and prophecy) when “the perfect comes.” This is referring to our glorified state with Christ “when we will see in FULL.” But I have never seen those gifts in operation. Sadly there are many fake manifestations, but that doesn’t change what 1 Corinthians 13 tells us.

1. It never said Paul prayed it alone. 2. He wants ORDER in the way it’s prayed in church. He is saying that without that order (which is the entire reason he is writing this chapter), it is better for prophecy to be spoken, because without interpretation the tongues is meaningless. That’s his entire point!!

@@lionoffireraw 1. He didn’t have to say it, but it’s clearly implied. 2. I do agree that’s the point of the passage for church use. However what ur missing is that Paul is giving a two-fold message - Paul is saying yes, order in the church, but alone pray to God in tongues in the spirit, because he does it all the time. We can argue all day I’m sure, and we will get nowhere. That’s my standpoint and most of the churches also. Not sure where you get your indoctrination from, but I guess we will have to agree to disagree on the matter. Be blessed …

I didn’t make any joke!

What's wrong with jokes? Elijah joked and mocked Ahab and Baal. Micaiah mocked Ahab with a fabulously sarcastic joke. Joking not always bad.

​@chummleslee351 PROVERBS 26:18-19 “Like a maniac shooting flaming arrows of death is one who deceives their neighbor and says, ‘I was only joking!'” EPHESIANS 5:4 “Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.“ EPHESIANS 4:29 “Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.” Think twice before saying or even joking about something, because for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. Matthew 12:36

@@Artiek23thanks for the reminder

Well done for leaving!! So much nonsense going on these days!!

You shouldn't be taking charge over your husband like that. He is biblically the leader in your marriage. If it comes to the point of you physically hitting him it doesn't sound like you were leaving room for him to play his role at all.

​@@shaunhunterit342theoretically he could have told her no if he disagreed. Maybe he was already feeling it and that was cobfitmation...

@@GregRickard I wouldn't take my wife hitting me in the arm as confirmation of anything but her disrespect

@@shaunhunterit342God gives all His children gifts. This one the woman has is discernment. Maybe her husband has a different one. That being said, she is definitely permitted to use her gift even with her husband. If I waited for my husband to use his discernment, which isn’t a gift of his, we would have been in a lot of “spiritual” danger, especially with our children. I’ve had to step up a lot in over 27 years and use my discernment to protect our family. Also, the husband needs to listen to his wife’s warnings while going thru life. That’s how God created a woman. She has instincts that he doesn’t. If he can’t listen to her, that’s called pride.

I don't know. God has to reveal it in an unmistakable way, otherwise it's just people making it up!

I think they would know because they speak the language and they are there to interpret it when needed.

So glad!!

Interesting counter argument...

It does seem a bit strange in that sense. But it would be exactly the same if it was an unknown/heavenly language (which it isn’t). In both instances someone would be speaking a language that no one knows, and someone would be interpreting it. It is a bit confusing to me as to why this would be needed, as opposed to the Acts 2 situation, where it is clear.

@@lionoffireraw you don't need an interpreter to understand my words in this comment because we are both English speakers. The people in Acts 2 didn't need an interpreter because they were hearing in their own language. I'm asking you to explain exactly how this gift of interpretation works. Who needs the interpretation and why? According to your position, the very reason the gift of tongues exists is to eliminate the need for an interpreter. The people in Acts 2 would have needed someone to interpret the words of the Galileans but God supernaturally eliminated that need.

A hypothetical would be if I’m at church and someone speaks tongues in French. If no one there speaks French, someone with the gift of interpretation of tongues would be needed to interpret the French tongues to English. Why God would make someone with the gift of tongues speak in French in that instance, I don’t know 🤷‍♂️

@@lionoffireraw it doesn't sound like you're very persuaded by that idea yourself, but it's the idea you're advancing

The interpreter needs if the people in the church doesnt know the language. Those whom knows the language doesnt need interpreter. By the way I think that speaking in tongues is not always an unlearned tongue but learned languages by the helping of the Spirit. Not all gifts are hyper mega supernatural like healings. For example the gift of administration is a simple helping gift which can be learned but by the helping of the Spirit that would be awesome gift for the Church. So likewise speaking in tongues.

Amen

@lionoffireraw - This says the gifts are not all continuing because false teachers and doctrines say they do. Paul says what is in God continues, and true gifts at any time ONLY come from God. This is rare and finite. We reject humanism in this regard as a result. There is no weakness in knowing what is all obvious. Less than a fraction of one percent know what true love is. Those in elitism understand indoctrination because they do it through freemasonry/illuminati in the world. I even have had conversations in the past briefly where some in certain church groups are friends with these people in private confidence. I'm going to bed. Trust in the One who will never pass away. We are but filthy rags, and yet He gave it all for us and the Kingdom of God.

The true gifts continue. 1 Corinthians 13 is clear on this, and I explained that in the video.

​@lionoffireraw - I have 1st Corinthians 13 on my wall. I also don't think RU-vid deleted all my comments either, since some are still here. But I digress. I stated the obvious on everything. I am not asleep at the wheel, so to speak. Corinthians is overall written in relevance to God's true nature, conviction, and wisdom. It is in no way about the gifts continuing, because not everyone will be healed, be rich in money and have a perfect life. Tell me one instance in any church which teaches that as absolute in today that all interpretation of the gifts experienced in the room in Acts carried on fully in like manner, other than false teachers and false doctrines? You can't, because this is not the relevance and absolute of the true Gospel and purpose of the Holy Spirit. I grew up, visited and met so many people in churches from all over. I was abused, mocked for my faith in various ways, a victim of two ancient cults tied to the same enemy, even for being open about wanting to share God with others in high school. And yet, I have deep love for people. You are my brother in Christ, but one big reason why I left the church is because of everything that's wrong going on in many of them, and the lack of common sense and true accountability.

Amen 🙏

No mention of any language other than human language.

Tongues are not to be just spoken in church without interpretation. Church is to be orderly with women being silent. I speak in tongues but I do so privately.

There’s no explicit biblical example of anyone praying in tongues privately. Nor is there any example of tongues being anything other than a human language. That’s all inserted to the text by people who believe in babble tongues. These points are proven in the video.

I agree that (real) tongues and interpretation is a spiritual gift. Not the fake experiences that we see in churches today!

Exactly !! There’s counterfeit spiritual gifts everywhere same has there is false teachers and false prophets etc..

Paul uses ironic speech all the time. See Philemon. See also where Paul calls the false prophets “super apostles.” Or when he calls himself a “fool.”

I explain those verses in the video.

I agree. The real tongues of other human languages still exists today. Babble tongues is false though.

This is a joke, but if a Nazarene baptises babies, are they Methodist? If a Methodist becomes Calvinist do they become a Presbyterian? If a Presbyterian accepts a physical presence in the bread and says water baptism directly saves, do they become Lutheran? If a Lutheran believes in the pope do they become Catholic and if a Catholic rejects that the Holy Spirit precedes from the Son, do they become Orthodox?

Yes, the kundalini spirit is demonic

Praying in the Holy Spirit doesn’t mean praying in tongues. That’s just what charismatics teach. Jude 20 has nothing to do with tongues. Praying in the Holy Spirit just means praying with the Spirit operating in us as we pray!

@@lionoffireraw In 1 cor 14:19 yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue. I believe this shows there is a gift to pray in such a manner but like Paul is trying to say this is of no use to the body of Christ so it should not be done in the house. No one prays 10,000 words when they give a legit word from God, but you might do that in private. The way I read that is Paul is trying to say not to mix the two up.

There’s no mention of a private prayer language. The point that Paul is trying to make, if you look at the context, is that there’s no point in him speaking tongues in a particular setting, if there’s no interpreter. It would be better to speak five words instead. This is evident when he clearly says that people SHOULD speak in tongues publicly, if there’s an interpreter. This isn’t implying that there is a private prayer language, or a time when he prayed tongues in private. Rather, the contrast that he’s drawing is between speaking in tongues with without an interpreter, or with an interpreter (or when it’s in someone’s native language, so that they can understand it). There’s no mention of any private praying in tongues. This is being read into the text by people.

@@lionoffireraw I had a bit of a conversation simular to this with someone at a place called the Sanctuary, we just could not see eye to eye on the subject. I mean if your mind is made up on the matter what can any one say. He told me how he had prayed in tongues till his lips changed colour and all this, I walked out in the end. There were all these demonic looking images appearing in a shop just across from them it was obvious the enemy was coming in, atleast to me it was. During Covd 19 somebody trashed the place I mean they did a real number and they shut down. If he had of been a little more discerning perhaps that would not have been the end there.

@@lionoffireraw Well to be straight with you I pulled that one out after flicking my bible open and it just happened to fall on 1 cor 12 and well that is just what happens to be the subject at hand so i turn the page and find the the verse I posted above so took a stab with that, it felt like the Spirit was in it and even if your not convinced by that it only serves to lead me to think I am in the truth

Exactly, William Seymour and the Azusa Street "Revival" He also put a box on is head during the service 😂

There are many accounts of tongues before Azusa and modern Pentecostalism. Seymour was a very humble, thus the reason he hid behind a box not put it on his head.

There is not a single example in the Bible of anyone praying in tongues on their own. Not even one. Nor is there a single example of tongues being anything other than a known human language. This video demonstrates all of this.

Get out!